Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
Originally Posted by dannyj View Post
Mostly against gigantic legislation that doesn’t have bipartisan support. Remember not a single republican voted for Obamacare. The public was against it as well. Didn’t matter, the Dems rammed it through anyhow. They had to pass the bill to find out what was in it (pelosi). Millions were thrown off of their old insurance and made to pay for things they didn’t need or want. Many more went without insurance AND were made to pay a fine as well.

Like I said earlier, they didn’t have to blow up the whole system just to get more poor and or people with pre existing conditions covered. They could have set up a different program for them. But again, they wanted single payer all along.
So your main problem with it was that Republicans didn't agree with it?

If you don't have single-payer, it never works. "A different system for them" is the same problem we already had. Insurance doesn't work so well when privatized because guess what, insurers don't want to cover the sick because that is not in their interest. Real fucking simple economics. Yes costs went up for some, including myself. The younger people had to start subsidizing the older. These are problems or symptoms of something being fixed.

You can also find many people who were previously sick and the thing helped. I was annoyed too I had to subsidize old and sick, but thats sorta what you want insurance for. In America though insurance is a tool for profit and seen as a good thing for business just as much as the insured.
My main problem with it is I didn't agree with it. That the majority of the general public agreed with me is irrelevant. Dems had a super majority and steam rolled the public. In 2010 the repubs picked up 63 seats in the House to take control of that chamber. For dems it was the most losses by a party in a House midterm election since 1938. So yeah, the general public was against obamacare.

Thanks for admitting what most already know, "(If you don't have single-payer, it never works)". That has always been the end game. It's just that dems lie, they never have an open , honest conversation with the public. They give the free shit army what they want and bullshit the rest to come along.

I don't have an answer to what it should be. I'm for safety nets and helping people that is why it seemed to me that they should create a separate program for the two under served groups, the poor and those with pre-existing conditions.

Lets be honest. Insurance is risk pooling, where people pay into a pot and be compensated when the risk event occurs. Putting people with pre existing conditions into that pool is not insurance anymore. The risk event has already happened. Under obamacare you would have to pay for everyone's issues. No more a la carte where my wife and I pick out what WE need and can fit into our budget. No, we have to pay for things we don't want, could never use, and may be against. Oh, and don't forget about the cost. Mickey touched on it above. The biggest lie was that it was supposed to lower costs. Quite the opposite. People lost choice, quality, and the cost skyrocketed.

Someone once said Obamacare only works for those who don't. I think that is pretty right.
I think ObamaCare has nothing to do with healthcare, helping the poor or fixing the system it has to do with controlling human beings.