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  2. #62
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    It's the Trump syndrome- I'm right, you're wrong.

  3. #63
    If you want to find the low IQ person in the room he’s the one calling other people low IQ.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 01-27-2020 at 05:51 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #64
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    If you want to find the low IQ person in the room he’s the one calling other people low IQ.
    That reminds me of a guy who said he tried to say someone wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed and ended up saying something stupid himself, LMAO! "Not the sharpest shed in the tool," LMAO He admitted he thought it was instant karma for trying to insult someone else.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

    Take comfort in the fact that no one is actually backing up his wishes to have you permanantly banned.


    Smart is knowing a Tomato is a fruit.

    Wise is knowing a Tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad.



    I am glad to get my full posting rights back! Thank you Dan!

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    If you want to find the low IQ person in the room he’s the one calling other people low IQ.
    Mickey here's the answers to the windbag Ex-AP's/EVBandit's "hard" IQ questions (LMFAO):
    1) No crows left on the branch, the rest fly away when the first one is stoned (this is probably one of the questions the Frat Boys/X water Polo team/rowing crew asked him at his call side interview for a Wall Street job - nowadays they only hire PhD physics majors and mathematicians for these sorts of jobs since it's all high frequency trading and frontrunning; he's lucky he interviewed back in the good ole days)
    2) N-Play VP - mistakes are amplified if you make a hold mistake on the deal (like we didn't already know this).
    3) Markov Chain Scarab (for regular scarab or scarab grand:again, who would bother - not worth the infinitesimal gain in EV versus simple human generated rules-based approach):
    1) setup a MySQL database (free open source database) with the following fields/variables:
    a) column # of scarab occurrence of last spin if spin one through nine (missing value symbol if 10th spin was last spin)
    b) row # of scarab occurrence of last spin if spin one through nine (missing value symbol if 10th spin was last spin)
    c) denomination
    d) Most recent spin number (10 minus the # of spins left until Scarab explosion)
    e) Number of scarabs on board after most recent spin (has a value of 0 just after explosion obviously)
    f) # of scarabs in column 1 after most recent spin
    g) # of scarabs in column 2 after most recent spin
    h) # of scarabs in column 3 after most recent spin
    i)# of scarabs in column 4 after most recent spin
    j)# of scarabs in column 5 after most recent spin
    k) number of units bet at current denomination
    l) ID number for uniquely identifying the group of spins belonging to a 10-spin sequence. This ID number is unique with respect to each group. This is for the development of time series variables as needed for model refinement.

    2) data gathering phase to populate database shown in step 1: lots and lots of Youtube footage and casino observation of other players playing scarab with pen camera in shirt recording game play, including high limit room scarab footage.

    3) Run the database through a CART algorithm (SAS/jmp;SAS data miner;SAS catmod macro;matlab;Python or any other of dozens of freeware packages).
    This will generate a classification and regression tree (which uses a Markov chain algorithm) which shows what the likelihood is of scarabs occurring in various configurations on the next spin.
    The bottom line is once you have the youtube and in-casino footage and then have stored it in your database, you can play around with different variables and responses until you have a usable model (CART tree) for the casino.


    Anyway, even though I just mind-flayed that bitch, expect him to come back with more windbag/anal retentive low IQ insults. Also, expect him not to take a prop-bet for an IQ contest, he'll just keep ignoring this request like he did in his other post. The piece of shit calls me a fraud, but I'm sure you and the other forum members remember me stating that I am a one-bit hustler, and that I make about $1500 a month. Never stated otherwise and it is 100% the truth.

    Cheers, TP.
    Last edited by tableplay; 01-27-2020 at 08:38 AM.

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    If you want to find the low IQ person in the room he’s the one calling other people low IQ.
    You realize the member of this forum that most frequently calls other members "low IQ" is Rob Singer. Anyone can probably find 100 different examples.

    I disagree that the person calling others "low IQ" is probably the lowest IQ in the room. What he is, is the most insecure person in the room. And THAT in a nut shell is what this thread and forum is all about.

    I have frequently suggested that the anti-AP contingent here is a bunch of bitter old dudes. I mean THAT should be obvious to anyone who reads. But this thread reveals a little deeper what that bitterness is all about. Reading both Blackhole and Singer posts in this thread it is clear that they some how think that because a person, whoever it may be has some success at advantage play, to the point that they are able to make a living, that this somehow diminishes their own achievements and the more traditional path that they took of education and successful career. And that is just ridiculous. The two have nothing to do with each other.

    I have never heard or read any AP suggest that someone should drop out of college or leave a successful career that they are happy with to pursue advantage player. NEVER! As a matter of fact most successful AP's never suggest anyone pursue any kind of AP, simply because they don't want to create competition.

    So what it boils down to is that these two people, Singer and Blackhole who claim to have achieved all this success in life are upset because a few other people are able to make some money beating the casinos? How does that threaten or have anything to do with any success that they have achieved? It is a ridiculous argument and just reveals their insecurities. But it DOES explain their bitterness to some degree. I suppose they are just as unhappy with people that win the lottery or sports figures that receive a huge payday, similarly thinking it somehow diminishes their success.

    Do you see the point. There are many paths in life. For those that have the opportunity and ability to pursue a good education and embark on a successful career doing whatever....power to them. No body is diminishing your accomplishments. So there is no need for these insecurities. And like I said earlier, no AP has ever suggested that anyone NOT pursue a good education and related career.

    If you guys are really successful and happy with your journey then act like it and stop acting like insecure little turds.

  7. #67
    So somehow the topic of IQ came up, and I'm talking with a couple of friends and my girlfriend. I say that I took a bunch of proctored (not do-it-yourself) tests when I was a kid, and the scores ranged from lows in the 130's to 172, although sometimes I conflate the high end with my best bowling average for a year. My girlfriend, without breaking stride, says, "I live with you, and I've seen you bowl. I think you might have that 172 confused with your weight."

    The nice thing is, when I'm in a room with my partners and girlfriend, I'm the low IQ guy. I like it that way. If you're the smartest guy in the room, you're in the wrong room.

  8. #68
    And as for the original topic of this thread...gambling forums and Why?

    Gambling forums have changed....all of them. And in a very short time. When I was early in my career and first found the blackjack gambling forums that I did, I learned a great deal from other members. A GREAT DEAL! Not all that common knowledge stuff in the books, but the things you can't and don't read about. Different players experiences, what they have learned from those experiences and how to navigate different situations next time they occur. Rarer, but occasionally even "secrets" of the business.

    For the most part members were willing to help and share. That just no longer is the case on any of these forums. Now it is sniping and backstabbing among AP's. Pissing contests about who is best or smartest. And usually a contingent of AP haters, usually degenerate gamblers, hating anyone able to win money from the casinos on a consistent basis.

    And this is all forums. They have all taken the same path...almost unrecognizable from what they were just 10 years ago and none more so that WOV. When Mike sold that forum, it became a joke. It's not a gambling related forum. It is a social media club house. If Mike had no intention of taking the forum seriously after the sale, he should have stepped aside. What that forum is still under his leadership is a joke and tarnishes his image and reputation, as far as I am concerned.

  9. #69
    What a surprise--an over anxious kew showing up yet again whenever even the slightest inference about how phony his internet "pro bj player" claims are, appear.. Can't sleep at night?

    Similarly, I'm not sure about all that blackhole has said but my opinion is that anyone who is a true AP does not have a "low IQ". Kew is not included in that group however, which is all he cares about here. My words matter to him more than anyone he's ever encountered anywhere--including homos in heat.

    Wise up weak punk.

  10. #70
    A very unimaginative and extremely predictable reply.

    If you have forgotten Rob, there are a couple polls floating around that show no one and I mean no one believes any of you claims. Not a one!. I'd be happy to post it again if you have forgotten.

    Meanwhile, I feel pretty confident that if you were to post a poll about me, most would say they believe me. I think I have proven I know what I am talking about. No doubt there would be some negative votes as a number of people don't like me very much, but if people were being honest it would be overwhelmingly positive. Certainly Not 25-2 against or whatever the last numbers of your poll were.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 01-27-2020 at 02:46 PM.

  11. #71
    And by the way Rob, thanks for proving my point. You are so insecure, the only thing you could do was attack someone else. Does that really make you feel better about your bitterness?

  12. #72
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    A very unimaginative and extremely predictable reply.

    If you have forgotten Rob, there are a couple polls floating around that show no one and I mean no one believes any of you claims. Not a one!. I'd be happy to post it again if you have forgotten.

    Meanwhile, I feel pretty confident that if you were to post a poll about me, most would say they believe me. I think I have proven I know what I am talking about. No doubt there would be some negative votes as a number of people don't like me very much, but if people were being honest it would be overwhelmingly positive. Certainly Not 25-2 against or whatever the last numbers of your poll were.
    You should probably bump that "Singer" poll every once in awhile so new people can vote. I'm bumping the "Free Money" thread on the first of every month.

  13. #73
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    A very unimaginative and extremely predictable reply.

    If you have forgotten Rob, there are a couple polls floating around that show no one and I mean no one believes any of you claims. Not a one!. I'd be happy to post it again if you have forgotten.

    Meanwhile, I feel pretty confident that if you were to post a poll about me, most would say they believe me. I think I have proven I know what I am talking about. No doubt there would be some negative votes as a number of people don't like me very much, but if people were being honest it would be overwhelmingly positive. Certainly Not 25-2 against or whatever the last numbers of your poll were.
    Polls only mean something to insecure people. Our big difference (other than me being normal & healthy and you being sickly, unhealthy and queer) is how even the slightest dig against you and your concocted internet life completely unravels you, and how meaningless it is to me if people don't want to believe what I say. To you, that's the end of the world, and you prove it every time you slither back onto forums you constantly claim you're through with just to blast more lies just so your useless life has some make believe value and so you don't roll over onto the sheets you wet at night worrying about what anyone is saying about you on forums.

    Now tell us exactly how you can count two tables at once again?

  14. #74
    No sense in me responding to your hate Rob. I just feel bad for you...I really do. I can only hope that when I am nearing the end, I am not looking back with the bitterness and regret that you seem to be consumed with.

    As for counting multiple tables, turns out it isn't even as rare as I initially thought. Most legit professional blackjack players have done some form of tracking a second table at times.

    So you continuing to mock this is just crazy old Rob, talking about stuff he knows nothing about. It's the story of your internet existence. You are the fool....the village idiot. I can only hope you get royalties from the Monty Python skits about the village idiot.

  15. #75
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    If you want to find the low IQ person in the room he’s the one calling other people low IQ.
    Mickey here's the answers to the windbag Ex-AP's/EVBandit's "hard" IQ questions (LMFAO):
    1) No crows left on the branch, the rest fly away when the first one is stoned (this is probably one of the questions the Frat Boys/X water Polo team/rowing crew asked him at his call side interview for a Wall Street job - nowadays they only hire PhD physics majors and mathematicians for these sorts of jobs since it's all high frequency trading and frontrunning; he's lucky he interviewed back in the good ole days)
    2) N-Play VP - mistakes are amplified if you make a hold mistake on the deal (like we didn't already know this).
    3) Markov Chain Scarab (for regular scarab or scarab grand:again, who would bother - not worth the infinitesimal gain in EV versus simple human generated rules-based approach):
    1) setup a MySQL database (free open source database) with the following fields/variables:
    a) column # of scarab occurrence of last spin if spin one through nine (missing value symbol if 10th spin was last spin)
    b) row # of scarab occurrence of last spin if spin one through nine (missing value symbol if 10th spin was last spin)
    c) denomination
    d) Most recent spin number (10 minus the # of spins left until Scarab explosion)
    e) Number of scarabs on board after most recent spin (has a value of 0 just after explosion obviously)
    f) # of scarabs in column 1 after most recent spin
    g) # of scarabs in column 2 after most recent spin
    h) # of scarabs in column 3 after most recent spin
    i)# of scarabs in column 4 after most recent spin
    j)# of scarabs in column 5 after most recent spin
    k) number of units bet at current denomination
    l) ID number for uniquely identifying the group of spins belonging to a 10-spin sequence. This ID number is unique with respect to each group. This is for the development of time series variables as needed for model refinement.

    2) data gathering phase to populate database shown in step 1: lots and lots of Youtube footage and casino observation of other players playing scarab with pen camera in shirt recording game play, including high limit room scarab footage.

    3) Run the database through a CART algorithm (SAS/jmp;SAS data miner;SAS catmod macro;matlab;Python or any other of dozens of freeware packages).
    This will generate a classification and regression tree (which uses a Markov chain algorithm) which shows what the likelihood is of scarabs occurring in various configurations on the next spin.
    The bottom line is once you have the youtube and in-casino footage and then have stored it in your database, you can play around with different variables and responses until you have a usable model (CART tree) for the casino.


    Anyway, even though I just mind-flayed that bitch, expect him to come back with more windbag/anal retentive low IQ insults. Also, expect him not to take a prop-bet for an IQ contest, he'll just keep ignoring this request like he did in his other post. The piece of shit calls me a fraud, but I'm sure you and the other forum members remember me stating that I am a one-bit hustler, and that I make about $1500 a month. Never stated otherwise and it is 100% the truth.

    Cheers, TP.
    tableplay, you are a fraud.

  16. #76
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I have a simple rule in life: I treat people the way they treat me.

    When tableplay started attacking me, then I have no problem attacking him back. And if tableplay doesn’t want people attacking him, maybe he shouldn’t attack people in the first place.

  17. #77
    I taught other AP’s Scarab with a Markov chain using a napkin and a pen, because that is all we had to use in a casino.

    That is another reason I know tableplay is a fraud.

  18. #78
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    For the same coin-in, N-play vp is lower variance than 1-play.
    FOR THE RECORD, I stated tableplay, the moron IS A FRAUD BECAUSE S/HE isn’t conversant. I stand by that statement. tableplay, learn to read what I wrote. That is partly why you are a fraud.

    I don’t why tableplay, the moron would start attacking me over FARMVILLE, but s/he did. I just asked for feedback on the FarmVille game and tableplay got butthurt over my FarmVille post. tableplay started a flamewar.

    Here is how dumb (besides math-challenged, logic-challenged, etc) tableplay is:

    N-play has covariance and this is a KNOWN FACT. So I will give you the seminal article that explains N-Play variance from the guy who worked out the math way before WoO entered the gambling scene.

    “ What is the variance of N-play games?

    It turns out the the variance of N-play has a simple linear relationship to the variance and covariance. To compute the variance of an N-play version of a game from the list, just add the base game variance to (N-1) times the covariance. For example, the variance of 9/6 Jacks in the 4-play version is 19.510 + (4-1)x1.966 = 25.408. (Note that variance is always given in units of bets squared.) The percentage column in the table gives the correlation coefficent (=100%*Covariance/Variance), which makes it easy to see that 4-play Jacks has about 30.2% more variance than the standard game per base bet. That is, for all four draws together the variance would be 4x(1.302) = 5.208 base bets squared instead of the 4 base bets squared you would get on four independent plays.”

    source: http://jazbo.com/videopoker/nplay.html (the article was written over 20 years ago)

    tableplay stated: For the same coin-in, N-play vp is lower variance than 1-play.

    Jazbo stated: That is, for all four draws together the variance would be 4x(1.302) = 5.208 base bets squared instead of the 4 base bets squared you would get on four independent plays.

    As I have been stating, tableplay is a fraud. tableplay is telling us 5.208 base bets squared < 4 base bets squared based on same coin in, same game or ceteris paribus. It’s so easy to spot the holes in tableplay’s stories.

  19. #79
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    No sense in me responding to your hate Rob. I just feel bad for you...I really do. I can only hope that when I am nearing the end, I am not looking back with the bitterness and regret that you seem to be consumed with.

    As for counting multiple tables, turns out it isn't even as rare as I initially thought. Most legit professional blackjack players have done some form of tracking a second table at times.

    So you continuing to mock this is just crazy old Rob, talking about stuff he knows nothing about. It's the story of your internet existence. You are the fool....the village idiot. I can only hope you get royalties from the Monty Python skits about the village idiot.
    Let's check the first sentence out again: "No sense in me responding to your hate, Rob"....then the insecure, relevance-seeking fairy proceeds to do just that!

    I like dumping on you kew. You make it so darn easy

  20. #80
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    Let's check the first sentence out again: "No sense in me responding to your hate, Rob"....then the insecure, relevance-seeking fairy proceeds to do just that!

    I like dumping on you kew. You make it so darn easy
    Rob, I know you think you are winning some sort of troll debate. Your NOT. All you are doing is continuing to make an ass of yourself.

    I tried to show you that when I made those polls. I am not going to bother to post them again. They served their purpose. No one and I mean NO ONE believes anything you say. You have ZERO credibility. Unfortunately you are either too stupid to realize that you are a complete joke in this community or probably more likely, you are in some sort of denial, where you think you are succeeding at whatever it is that you think you are doing...trollfest I guess. It's just pathetic Rob, you are 70 freaking years old.

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