The Verdict Is?

[accountinquestion]

Zero risk? WHAT? Are you an advantage player AinQ? I ask sincerely. I don't know. I thought I read you say you were but not fulltime, which is fine. But I have to question anyone that thinks there is zero risk for any AP, posting and proving what you are asking. There is substantial risk.




Singer has posted a bill of sale with 3 different people's signatures in the same handwriting. He has posted pictures of fake movie prop money. He has posted pictures of himself inside an RV at the dealership. Are you seriously using the words "evidence" and "legitimacy" related to this person and his actions?

If none of it matters then why are you stuck on disproving others? "No one is on trial" but yet you go on and on over Singer and Mdawg.

I have challenged both Singer's and Mdawg's ridiculous claims. Probably for way longer than I should. But both do this thing where they just keep repeating the claims long after they have even exposed themselves. they are like the energizer bunny. As long as they keep repeating, I feel like I have the right to keep challenging and pointing out the ridiculous of them. But I have never, ever asked for prove from either.

Dan Druff has been involved intimately with forums for the near 20 years I've been acquainted with him. Find me one time where someone has had an issue with him involving some form of trust. I don't think you will. There is NO substantial risk. IMO there is near 0 risk. The fact of the matter is I seriously doubt Todd gives much of a shit who you are. I don't.

There is only risk in your head aka Excuseville aka the Land of the Liars.

I'm not asking for proof. I don't need proof. Just like you - I am simply challenging and pointing out the ridiculousness in someone.

I dunno.. perhaps I should be a nice person and just let you go off living your fantasy.

Next time you want to tell a whopper, talk to me and lets walk through it. I'll only charge you $200.

[accountinquestion]

Look, I am happy to stop talking about this. I wanted to stop talking about it a while ago. The case is over....settled! I have my share of the settlement money. I have given as much info as I could, and probably more than I should have.

It isn't me that keeps bringing up this discussion. Yeah, I know, I should ignore the trolls. I don't like it when they make up lies and feel like I need to correct the record which ultimately drags me back in. I guess that is on me.

Ok, I'll stop riding your ass until you again post about Mdawg or Singer. Fair?

[kewlJ]

Ok, I'll stop riding your ass until you again post about Mdawg or Singer. Fair?

No, it is not fair. YOU have Singer's book full of gambling voodoo and conspiracy theories like non-randomness as your avatar. I don't think that is out of flattery. You are busting on him. Challenging him. So why am I not allowed to challenge him. If he never brings up his BS claims, I will never say a word. Same with Mdawg. You get them to stop repeating their claims that defy math and the way Las Vegas works and I will never say another word about either. How about that? I think that is fair.

Anyway, I am tired of this nonsense for tonight. I am going to bed.

[MaxPen]

Now I'm interested in this. finding the names of the casinos is relatively easy. But usually it seems that the lawsuits name all the fictitious names. You only need one of the many to find cases on these sites. Here is an example of a typical result.




There are not enough casinos in Vegas where something like this has occurred to make this a difficult thing to verify.

There is also zero risk of having Dan verify this.

[kewlJ]

MaxPen, if you find the info you are looking for and I suspect you will because you are good at this, I hope you won't post it on public forum. Just post that you found it, if anything at all.

Both MDawg and Singer want this information to further dox and harm me.

[MisterV]

MisterV, there is something very strange that I have noticed about you.

Only ONE thing?

Every once in a while you mention that you are heading to one of the nearby casinos for a couple days and nights. And when that happens you completely disappear from the forums for those several days. Additionally, you have mentioned you have a vacation home in New Hampshire at Lake WhataboutBob, that you visit for several weeks at a time. When you go there, you disappear from the forums for several weeks.

KJ, I am somewhat of a Luddite as I do not have and use a smart phone, tablet, or old-school lap top: I never have.

My posts are all via PC, and of course I don't take a PC with me when I travel.

[MisterV]

If you are waiting for me to prove something MrV, I hate to disappoint you (not really), but that isn't happening. I still think there is a reasonable chance some stuff may come out, but it won't be me that plays any part in that. That can only be damaging to me at this point.

Like I said, I'll give it a couple months before rendering final judgment, but some form of corroboration would be most welcome.

[accountinquestion]

Ok, I'll stop riding your ass until you again post about Mdawg or Singer. Fair?

No, it is not fair. YOU have Singer's book full of gambling voodoo and conspiracy theories like non-randomness as your avatar. I don't think that is out of flattery. You are busting on him. Challenging him. So why am I not allowed to challenge him. If he never brings up his BS claims, I will never say a word. Same with Mdawg. You get them to stop repeating their claims that defy math and the way Las Vegas works and I will never say another word about either. How about that? I think that is fair.

Anyway, I am tired of this nonsense for tonight. I am going to bed.

Then don't whine about being challenged about your bullshit if you think you need to challenge them.

Bullshit artists are threatened by each other. So lolz. The jealousy of another bs artist getting too much attention. That is what is going on here.

[MDawg]

So tell Dan Druff and let him look it up.

Why would I do that? Seriously?

In the past UNKewlJ has pushed RobSinger to provide proof to the Dandruff man,
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post105150

Now in answer to DanDruff's request for that same info, Rob is just going with a "No, I don't want to do that".

It just is not credible that Rob just had to tell someone, so badly, but yet refuses to provide any supporting documentation that would support his extraordinary claim.

and stated that failure to do so, failure to be willing to provide proof to someone like Dan Druff AFTER talking about whatever online, represents lack of credibility.

And as V pointed out,

KJ, enough.

It is YOU who is putting yourself out there and making the claim

so, just like what UNKewlJ said about RobSinger, that because he "had to tell someone," he should be willing to back up what he said, so should the UNKewl one follow his own demand and prove up what he has said.

Before that occasion when he kept pushing RobSinger to provide proof to DanDruff (and made a big deal out of that he didn't meet up with him / didn't provide any proof), UNKewlJ kept pushing for MDawg to play at a table in front of DanDruff or to at least meet him in Vegas, to prove that he's for real, which was before I'd played in front of Wizard in the DarkOz Challenge.

UNKewlJ also loves to quote the DanDruff man with conviction, stating that Druff speaks with authority,

Dan Druff simply shares his expert opinion of what the truth is. he has been on these forums for a very long time and knows how to read people.

And part of that evaluation with Druff no doubt includes the persons history on the forums. Druff has witnessed Rob lie about this and that and the other. Too many to name.

but...everything he has said about Druff's issues with Rob, Druff has said about UNKewlJ too, right down to UNKewl's "history of hoaxes on other forums".

Basically, this hypocrite whatever he accuses others of, you may be assured that he's done himself first, and worse. In the end, he can't come up with any reason for his not wanting to prove up his backrooming lawsuit story, other than that no proof exists. We are, after all, talking about a guy who, as AccountInQuestion has put it, is in a Neverending quest for street creds on the internet.
, so it makes no sense that someone so desperate to be believed would not put up, since obviously he's not ever going to shut up. If he wanted no one to know, he would not have put the story out there in the first place.

Besides the obvious of that it's relatively easy for an attorney to look up any filed lawsuits in either state or federal court, anyone may look up at least the state court case easily where this would have been filed, here
Eighth Judicial District Court
Civil over >15K
https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Por...e/Dashboard/29

and it's not very hard to find the business entity names of the various casino owners in Vegas, and in any case as MaxPen pointed out typically in the lawsuits the Defendant is also named as its common casino hotel resort name, its dba, for example the lawsuit he mentioned where both South Point and Gaughan South LLC are named. I've wasted the time looking up every major on the Strip, plus a couple of the dumps downtown UNKewlJ has claimed to play at, and...nada. No relevant lawsuits nothing like what UNKewlJ describes.

At this point he's stuck and committed in his lie, so he can't back out.


UNKewlJ's backrooming lawsuit story is rife with contradictions. And as with everything else to do with him, offered with no proof. In this case there is actually negative proof that he is lying - that there is no record of any such filed lawsuit. Plus he's gone out and said that many APs know about what happened and that the press has contacted him about it - with so many potentially loose lips, by now someone other than UNKewlJ would know about this alleged incident and lawsuit and have talked about it.

And then we have absurd stories he's presented such as the MGM Execs visiting him on Halloween to hand deliver player records. Even if the story itself did pass the laugh test (it does not) given that he has the wrong guy, I know that he could not have anything at all in the way of MDawg records. And again - no proof offered.

He follows a general progression from saying something, jumping up and down to say that something again and again, and then, when he gets frustrated that no one is listening, making up some lies that revolve around that he has something or other that he cannot share, or heard something or other from sources he cannot name, to try to back up what he has said. MickeyCrimm in particular noted this progression, by saying that the reason he doesn't believe UNKewlJ is because he makes up lies to back up what he has to say, instead of just telling the pure truth.

As far as his own "personal" blackjack story, it is too contrived and fits too neatly into a textbook example of a card counting blackjack player. The blandness of his storytelling, almost never having described a single hand played, and - again - the lack of any back up, any proof - doesn't help the story either.

And then we have his claims about others, which always amount to "believe me because I say so" (which is all anyone may say about anything UNKewlJ has to say). When pushed, UNKewlJ tries to say, without even knowing what others are actually doing, that their stories don't gibe with "math" while his does. And then proceeds to make up lies to try to back up his statements.

This backrooming whopper was just another example of UNKewlJ coming up with a desperate lie to try to back up something or other, in this case, that he really is a blackjack card counter because he has faced heat. But again, it's just a story, and a badly presented contradictory one that makes it more rather than less likely that he's been lying about everything.

[kewlJ]

Your level of obsession this incident and me in general does not jive with a multi-millionair, claiming to have won multi-millions from a casino, currently on a 3 week trip, staying at casinos. Your level of obsession is bizarre. This high level of obsession is based only that you blame me for your story falling apart, when you did that.

Take the above post. Posted at 10:50am on a weekday by a guy who is supposed to be a working attorney. Additionally, you claim to be on a 3 week Las Vegas Trip, staying in high-end comped suites. And yet, here you are on an internet forum, writing long winded posts. Does that make sense to anyone? I wonder how many other higher roller type players currently staying in deluxe high end suites in Las Vegas are spending all their time, posting on internet forum's?

But dude, get back to me when you have something new to say and aren't just parroting talking points and other people.

[MDawg]

Wow, the kewl-groomer still squealing like a little bitch, amazing, hey hey!!!!

[MisterV]

MDawg, you raise issues which concern me.

If in fact KJ lied to the board, and to me, he'll be a pariah in my eyes as well as most if not all of the other regulars here, and his future participation will be most unwelcome.

I'm still hoping for corroboration of his claim.

[kewlJ]

Like I said, I'll give it a couple months before rendering final judgment, but some form of corroboration would be most welcome.

I understand your position MrV, but being that you were an attorney I am a little surprised that you seem to think any kind of collaboration should come from me. I had dinner with my attorney, who handled this case for me last week and he advised that I say nothing further about this case.....not even things not specifically mentioned in the settlement agreement. While the settlement terms specifically say I cannot mention the casino involved or settlement amount, anything that I say, that even hints at that and I could be hauled into court for violating the settlement agreement. I could be sued and easily lose, giving back some or all of the money we won. As an attorney, I would think you would understand that.

There was a window while this case was ongoing that I could talk. And I specifically said several times, I was willing to answer any questions that I could answer for any non-trolling members. But that time has come and gone. I agreed to term with this case and now have received my money and almost anything I say, even hinting at something, could be in violation of the terms and cost me money.

Mdawg and Singer can and will continue their trolling agenda. And apparently that involves trying to persuade people to take sides like this is some kind of trial or war. That is them. That is what they do now.

[accountinquestion]

Like I said, I'll give it a couple months before rendering final judgment, but some form of corroboration would be most welcome.

I understand your position MrV, but being that you were an attorney I am a little surprised that you seem to think any kind of collaboration should come from me. I had dinner with my attorney, who handled this case for me last week and he advised that I say nothing further about this case.....not even things not specifically mentioned in the settlement agreement. While the settlement terms specifically say I cannot mention the casino involved or settlement amount, anything that I say, that even hints at that and I could be hauled into court for violating the settlement agreement. I could be sued and easily lose, giving back some or all of the money we won. As an attorney, I would think you would understand that.

There was a window while this case was ongoing that I could talk. And I specifically said several times, I was willing to answer any questions that I could answer for any non-trolling members. But that time has come and gone. I agreed to term with this case and now have received my money and almost anything I say, even hinting at something, could be in violation of the terms and cost me money.

Mdawg and Singer can and will continue their trolling agenda. And apparently that involves trying to persuade people to take sides like this is some kind of trial or war. That is them. That is what they do now.

I am not seeing how telling Druff the court case which you purport to exist would break your NDA.

Mdawg and Singer can and will continue their trolling agenda. And apparently that involves trying to persuade people to take sides like this is some kind of trial or war. That is them. That is what they do now

Lol you do the same thing. I could substitute your name and change around pronouns and no one would blink an eye.

[MDawg]

I am not seeing how telling Druff the court case which you purport to exist would break your NDA.

He claims that the case is public record, filed served. He claims that many APs already know all about the incident and the lawsuit. He claims that word has already gotten to the press and a reporter has contacted him for comment.

Revealing the case # to anyone would not could not violate any settlement agreement. Confidentiality does not cannot extend to things that are already in the public domain - meaning, already known to the general public (He claims that the case is public record, filed served).

Just another clumsy UNKewl lie that hasn't been thought out well.

If anything, his continuing to talk about the lawsuit would violate his settlement agreement, if the agreement, as he claims, states that he is supposed to stop talking about it. Because whenever he comes on here and says that whatever he said before is true, he is reiterating whatever he said before, which include the details of what happened, and the settlement amount, which he alluded to in different ways a few times.

Another way to look at this "you can't impose confidentiality on anything in the public domain" deal, is that the lawsuit itself must have stated what happened, and in these types of lawsuits the details are laid out with more than general detail in the complaint. So even his saying that he is no longer allowed to talk about it makes little sense because the lawsuit speaks for itself and no one could be penalized for revealing what is already out there.

So much for that defense. Now he may go back to the "I don't have to say anything" or "I'm worried I'll get doxxed" defenses. But the real reason is looking very much like...there's no proof to supply in the first place.


And as well, his saying that many already know all about what happened, even the press, makes it inconceivable that someone else would not have already stepped forward to say something about it, if it had really happened.


In the end I rather like what REDietz said

You have fake deaths, marriages and deaths, evil doxxers, backroom arm-breakers, and after-the-fact-"misdirection" that would have been unnecessary if you simply don't make public the narrative.

meaning that it doesn't make any sense (other than for an attention whore, who might be lying) to have said anything at all, if he didn't want the word out there in the first place.

I mean if you know it's all B.S. and there is no way anyone could find any record because the lawsuit doesn't exist, then you don't have to worry about anyone finding anything about you in the first place, so it doesn't matter what you say. Which explains why all the "dramatic narrative." He's not worried about anyone unearthing his identity - just worried that we might find out he made up the whole thing.

[kewlJ]

Mdawg here is a few things for YOU to consider. How is that 7 figure mansion in Las Vegas?

A couple years ago, for 7 months you posted daily of casinos winnings totaling $500k. And then in one sentence that disappeared and you were about even? When are you ever going to address that?

Since your adventure thread began 4 years ago, you now claim to have been comped over 1000 nights in high end suites, while winning over a million dollars? How does that happen? Las Vegas casino give suitcases full of money and then thank you with high end comps on top of it....for years now?

You claim to play high limit blackjack at a private table, at the single sweatiest casino on the strip that uses the latest technology and you claim all they do is laugh and pat you on the back and tell you how great you are? How does THAT happen?

These things are fantasy. I know because I receive heat regularly and deal with heat playing a fraction of what you claim.

I am restricted in what I can say about my incident. But you are free to explain any or all of these things? And since you spend your time In Las Vegas on internet forums, go for it.

Ps: I see you are linking to your own forum in your signature....a forum for writer writing "stories". Hasn't that always been what this great adventure was about? You are the only member of a gambling forum I have ever encountered more concerned with views and alexa ratings, and that crap. That has always said, this great adventure was always about something else.

[MisterV]

KJ, I am probably your biggest "fan" on this board and yes, I still very much want to believe in you and what you say, as to date I've found you to be credible.

Yes, I am a retired attorney, and although I am an admitted pot-stirrer as well as a pot smoker, I can keep a secret.

With that in mind, perhaps you'll consider PMing me some corroboration about the incident, e.g. a court case number that I could check up on and verify; once corroborated I would be happy to post to the effect that I am satisfied with the corroboration and that I believe you: I would not mention any other specifics, i.e. the case number would not be posted.

I guess it boils down to two questions: Do you trust me? And are you desirous of shutting up your detractors on this matter?

Please think about it.

[accountinquestion]

Mdawg here is a few things for YOU to consider. How is that 7 figure mansion in Las Vegas?

A couple years ago, for 7 months you posted daily of casinos winnings totaling $500k. And then in one sentence that disappeared and you were about even? When are you ever going to address that?

Since your adventure thread began 4 years ago, you now claim to have been comped over 1000 nights in high end suites, while winning over a million dollars? How does that happen? Las Vegas casino give suitcases full of money and then thank you with high end comps on top of it....for years now?

You claim to play high limit blackjack at a private table, at the single sweatiest casino on the strip that uses the latest technology and you claim all they do is laugh and pat you on the back and tell you how great you are? How does THAT happen?

These things are fantasy. I know because I receive heat regularly and deal with heat playing a fraction of what you claim.

I am restricted in what I can say about my incident. But you are free to explain any or all of these things? And since you spend your time In Las Vegas on internet forums, go for it.

Ps: I see you are linking to your own forum in your signature....a forum for writings writing "stories". Hasn't that always been what this great adventure was about? You are the only member of a gambling forum I have ever encountered more concerned with views and alexa ratings, and that crap. That has always said, this great adventure was always about something else.

The difference here is any AP/sharp person might find your information useful but it is false.

Mdawg and Singer are basically just entertaining.

Anyway, if all you can do is deflect maybe you should just go into silent mode or admit it mostly made up. You could salvage your rep to some degree.

[kewlJ]

I am not seeing how telling Druff the court case which you purport to exist would break your NDA.

Dude, it isn't that I don't trust Dan Druff. I do. First Druff hasn't even asked me anything about this case. He did mention he had some concerns early on, but has not said "boo" since. I kind of figure it is because he is well connected has heard or knows people that know all about it. But I could be wrong. I kind of figured that about MaxPen too, so his comments last night surprised me.

I am sure you people could lobby Druff to say something and play the part you want, but there is just no reason for me to say anything more to anyone. Honestly, I provided that opportunity for weeks and weeks, several times saying that I probably shouldn't discuss anything further, but I was willing to do so, if any legitimate members had questions I would try to answer as best I could. No many people said a word. Now all of the sudden that window has closed and people want me to talk. And the trolls in particular want me to lead them right to the very information they want to use to dox and harm me. Have we crossed over into some sort of Jerry Seinfeld "Bizzaro" world?

Anything I say is going to be very, very general and not specific to this case or incident. Like, if some of you people really are looking for this case, you should have noticed several other somewhat similar casino abuse cases over the past couple years, that weren't well publicized. I didn't know about them. And there is another case right now still in early stages. These incidents are on the rise again, after about a decade of being on the decline. That is a concern and something players should be aware of.

[smurgerburger]

KewlJ you're so busted.