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  1. #1
    I can't help myself. Here's the Singer Play. Sorry, Rob. LOL!
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    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    150.1264%

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    A guy from twitter sent me this picture. He said it took him 70K hands to hit the royal. I immediately asked him where the meter reset to and I haven't heard from him since. LOL!

    But there is something about the picture that doesn't add up. Either that or I'm missing something. It shows the win at 48,886 coins. That's only like $2440. And the credits show just $3500. Strange.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 05-14-2019 at 09:05 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    A guy from twitter sent me this picture. He said it took him 70K hands to hit the royal. I immediately asked him where the meter reset to and I haven't heard from him since. LOL!

    But there is something about the picture that doesn't add up. Either that or I'm missing something. It shows the win at 48,886 coins. That's only like $2440. And the credits show just $3500. Strange.
    Count up in progress while photo was taken ?

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    A guy from twitter sent me this picture. He said it took him 70K hands to hit the royal. I immediately asked him where the meter reset to and I haven't heard from him since. LOL!

    But there is something about the picture that doesn't add up. Either that or I'm missing something. It shows the win at 48,886 coins. That's only like $2440. And the credits show just $3500. Strange.
    Count up in progress while photo was taken ?
    Thanks. That explains it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    I gotta say that I am underwhelmed.

    Based on comments of the last couple days, I envisioned that Rob came up with something mathematical. That's not what I consider this. I consider this a casino glitch/error. And while finding and playing is an advantage play, just not what I was expecting from all the hype. Like I said, underwhelmed.

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    Hey, I just heard back from the guy. He says it resets to 4K and has been going for several months now.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    A guy from twitter sent me this picture. He said it took him 70K hands to hit the royal. I immediately asked him where the meter reset to and I haven't heard from him since. LOL!

    But there is something about the picture that doesn't add up. Either that or I'm missing something. It shows the win at 48,886 coins. That's only like $2440. And the credits show just $3500. Strange.
    Count up in progress while photo was taken ?
    Yep. Look closely at the last digit and you'll see it changing.

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Hey, I just heard back from the guy. He says it resets to 4K and has been going for several months now.
    He was probably sleeping at the machine.

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    Given a few minutes for this to sink, in I am really underwhelmed.

    First where is all this shit that no one could/would understand? It took a picture from mickey and everyone, every single person, even lower end AP's like myself, clearly understand. You found an error an exploited it. An AP play most definitely, but not something that sets you apart from anyone like you are Einstein.

    Here is the comparison I come up with. Everyone knows my history. I am in my 16th year of grinding my way as a professional blackjack advantage player. Now suppose I now reveal that I found a game that paid 3-1 for blackjacks instead of 3-2, giving the player a huge advantage (all other rules being equal). And I played that game for years and that is where all my blackjack earnings came from. Would that make me the greatest blackjack player or AP in the world? No it would be a guy taking advantage of a mistake.

    I don't know what else to say other that I am completely underwhelmed by today's revelations.

    And I gotta say, I find it extremely hard to believe that this mistake wouldn't have been discovered by the casino or casinos before someone racked up 3 million in winnings. I mean this is not my field of expertise as it is Mickey and Axel and others, but I was under the impression that this machine (or machines) win rate or in this case loss rate would make this obvious in a matter of days. Especially since Not Just Rob Singer who discovered this but every other player that just happened to be playing would be playing at that same advantage. I mean really, we are to believe this went on for 10 years? Am I missing something?

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    Kew, mickey put that up as a joke.

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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Kew, mickey put that up as a joke.
    If that is the case, I guess the joke is on me. I am just looking for you to finally explain so everyone can decide for themselves concerning credibility. I guess that is too much to ask.

    I gotta go to work. How silly of me to think we were going to get some answers today instead of just more game playing.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-14-2019 at 11:39 AM.

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    Right now, it is.

    You will never see any credibility in anything I say unless and until you accept that my play strategy was successful for 4 years and would have continued being successful for as many years as I might have chosen to play it after that. You would also need to acknowledge that winning with my strategy is mathematically possible, just as any "university professor" would tell you.

    Until then, you have a lot to learn, which is a common problem among your generation. And you won't find it at any blackjack table.

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    The guy says this nickel play is in the corner of a secluded part of the casino and no one plays it but him.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Right now, it is.

    You will never see any credibility in anything I say unless and until you accept that my play strategy was successful for 4 years and would have continued being successful for as many years as I might have chosen to play it after that. You would also need to acknowledge that winning with my strategy is mathematically possible, just as any "university professor" would tell you.

    Until then, you have a lot to learn, which is a common problem among your generation. And you won't find it at any blackjack table.
    "Everything works until it doesn't."

    Famous last words.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    A guy from twitter sent me this picture. He said it took him 70K hands to hit the royal. I immediately asked him where the meter reset to and I haven't heard from him since. LOL!

    But there is something about the picture that doesn't add up. Either that or I'm missing something. It shows the win at 48,886 coins. That's only like $2440. And the credits show just $3500. Strange.
    So Mickey I’ll ask the dumb question. How much did this royal pay? Does it pay off as a $4000 royal?

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by dannyj View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    A guy from twitter sent me this picture. He said it took him 70K hands to hit the royal. I immediately asked him where the meter reset to and I haven't heard from him since. LOL!

    But there is something about the picture that doesn't add up. Either that or I'm missing something. It shows the win at 48,886 coins. That's only like $2440. And the credits show just $3500. Strange.
    So Mickey I’ll ask the dumb question. How much did this royal pay? Does it pay off as a $4000 royal?
    The royal paid $4007. I've found meter reset mistakes myself. Usually, when I find a meter totally out of whack, like the one in the pic, the big question to me is what does the meter reset to. From the ones I've found, most of the time they reset to where they are supposed to, but in a few cases they reset way above what they were supposed to. And that makes it a straight through play.

    I still have a 14% advantage video poker play on two machines in one joint with just a 50 cent bet. But it's still worth $70 an hour at 1000 HPH. It started out with 2 dozen machines scattered around Montana 11 years ago. They slowly disappeared but these last two have been there for years. I hardly play it anymore.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #18
    I love finds like these.

    There's a pretty well known one where the straight flush progressive was applied to straights as well (same resets as SF and same meter rate). Just think of the strategy deviations that would involve. That was on a $1.00 machine I think...

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    The trick is to get the cycle down for the progressive in question (NRF,SF,etc.) without giving up too much EV. The "tweak strategy charts" feature in FVP and WVP video poker software figures prominently in these sorts of endeavors.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by dannyj View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    A guy from twitter sent me this picture. He said it took him 70K hands to hit the royal. I immediately asked him where the meter reset to and I haven't heard from him since. LOL!

    But there is something about the picture that doesn't add up. Either that or I'm missing something. It shows the win at 48,886 coins. That's only like $2440. And the credits show just $3500. Strange.
    So Mickey I’ll ask the dumb question. How much did this royal pay? Does it pay off as a $4000 royal?
    The royal paid $4007. I've found meter reset mistakes myself. Usually, when I find a meter totally out of whack, like the one in the pic, the big question to me is what does the meter reset to. From the ones I've found, most of the time they reset to where they are supposed to, but in a few cases they reset way above what they were supposed to. And that makes it a straight through play.

    I still have a 14% advantage video poker play on two machines in one joint with just a 50 cent bet. But it's still worth $70 an hour at 1000 HPH. It started out with 2 dozen machines scattered around Montana 11 years ago. They slowly disappeared but these last two have been there for years. I hardly play it anymore.
    So with no hand pay, means no taxes, and no pesky slot attendant to reset machine and alert management. The risk comes when kiosk can't cash out $4K and one has to go to cage to get paid. The eye in the sky might get involved and wonder how one could win 4k on a nickel machine and then the jig would be up.

    How would you handle that Mickey? Maybe go to high limit and play 9/6 JOB for a while and cash in there?

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