SCORE vs BC,PE,IC discussion

[Moses]

So Norm.

1. ) You have 28 authors of blackjack listed in your publications that are all evaluated by BC, PE, IC.

2.) You have Don S who says, all you need is SCORE.

3.) You have T3 and Flash that represent over 20k posts and have really stated nothing.

4.) You sell products to provide focus and direction.

5.) Yet with all the above, you've created more confusion and concern than a roller coaster ride with loose boards, nuts, and bolts at Coney Island.

We sift through threads of spy cameras and heat in Turtle Lake WI. while you stick you head in the sand. Don't you think it's about time you took this mess upon yourself to clear up the confusion? I know it takes a lot of work. I'm DOING it. But it seems to me you owe something to your subscribers and those who have purchased your products. No?

[kewlJ]

So Norm.

1. ) You have 28 authors of blackjack listed in your publications that are all evaluated by BC, PE, IC.

2.) You have Don S who says, all you need is SCORE.

3.) You have T3 and Flash that represent over 20k posts and have really stated nothing.

4.) You sell products to provide focus and direction.

5.) Yet with all the above, you've created more confusion and concern than a roller coaster ride with loose boards, nuts, and bolts at Coney Island.

Moses, a forum owner has a different agenda that sometimes places him in conflict. When BJinfo shut down in 2011, the large membership, myself included were looking for a place to continue to share our ideas, opinions and experiences. But that was NOT Norm's purpose in starting BJTF. Norm saw an opportunity to promote his software and now other products. Quite frankly the more traffic the site generates, the better for someone like Norm. The more people that visit, the more sales.

Controversial posts, topic, discussions, are what brings people to the site. So someone like a T3 (or Singer on this site) is exactly what the site owner wants. They keep the discussion going and traffic up. And it is not a co-incidence that these guys making false claims are always one of the top posters (in number) of the particular site.

Now in Norm's case, being a math guy, there was a conflict (similarly to Dan Druff here). So the way the get around that is very occasionally they point out that the ridiculous claims go against the math and don't add up. And I mean occasionally! Like once every couple months they will point out that the phony claim person's math doesn't work. But 99% of the time, the claims go unchallenged and do exactly what the site owner wants, draw controversy, discussion and traffic to the site.

And when you criticize these site owner, who in the case of Norm and Dan Druff are math guys that know better, they can say, "well I challenged the phony math claims". Yeah 1% of the time. That is NOT good enough. Phony math and claims based on alternative math must be challenged and corrected 100% of the time. Otherwise you are providing a platform for this bullshit.

Now in Norm's case, not only did he allow these ridiculous claims to stand without challenge from him 99% of the time, but he then shut down those of us that challenged the mathematically impossible claims.

So you need to look for the agenda of the site owner in these things. I'll tell you the guy with the purest intentions, was Mike Shackleford (Wizard). Mike had no agenda. He was about the math. And he didn't allow ridiculous claims to go unchallenged. And he allowed the members of his site to challenge and shoot down ridiculous claims. To his credit, his site was pure for the most part as far as the math, because Mike was and still is a pure math guy. Unfortunately that model didn't translate to any profit from the site, while he was running it. He just got lucky in that an internet casino company came along offering big money to buy the site. That wasn't in the plan....Mike didn't foresee that coming. But power to him.