Thank you

[blackhole]

I'd say that's true. I've heard of gaydar but always assumed you had to be gay in order to possess it.

Guess it’s time to come out of the closet. I sucked on only 5 cocks and took it in the ass 6 times. Only once I took one in the ass while sucking a BBC. (but I was drunk)

[jpfromla]

I'd say that's true. I've heard of gaydar but always assumed you had to be gay in order to possess it.

Guess it’s time to come out of the closet. I sucked on only 5 cocks and took it in the ass 6 times. Only once I took one in the ass while sucking a BBC. (but I was drunk)

Yo 11

[accountinquestion]

I'd say that's true. I've heard of gaydar but always assumed you had to be gay in order to possess it.

Guess it’s time to come out of the closet. I sucked on only 5 cocks and took it in the ass 6 times. Only once I took one in the ass while sucking a BBC. (but I was drunk)

"What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas".

I will not judge thee.

[kewlJ]

I'd say that's true. I've heard of gaydar but always assumed you had to be gay in order to possess it.

Guess it’s time to come out of the closet. I sucked on only 5 cocks and took it in the ass 6 times. Only once I took one in the ass while sucking a BBC. (but I was drunk)

That "I was drunk" line is something ALL the closeted gay dudes say. Here is another one: "I have never done this before". Back in Philly when I was in my early 20's, I drank at a bar with a lot of University of Penn Ivy league boys. Occasionally I would take one home. Always the "drunk" and "never done this" lines. I had one repeat dude tell me the "never done this line" twice. I guess I wasn't all that memorable.

So who knows or cares if Blackhole is a life long closet gay living in denial his whole life. Trust me we in the gay club don't want him and would reject his application. But he sure seems to know all the things the closet guys say and do. And it explains his bitterness of living a life that was a lie. All signs point in one direction.

[Tasha]

Wow. This thread completely deviated from its original purpose! O.O

[MaxPen]

Wow. This thread completely deviated from its original purpose! O.O

Atleast it gave blackhole the opportunity to come out of the closet. Kind of gives new meaning to his screen name.....lol....Now that we know more about him.

[coach belly]

the clump of high cards will result in several rounds of many dealer player 20 value hands pushing

Do the players have an increased advantage, or any advantage, during the sequence when the clumped high-value cards are being dealt?

[kewlJ]

the clump of high cards will result in several rounds of many dealer player 20 value hands pushing

Do the players have an increased advantage, or any advantage, during the sequence when the clumped high-value cards are being dealt?

NOVA! Sorry coach belly....had to get that out of the way.

So if the aces were randomly distributed, then yes the player would have an advantage during that high count clump. And cutting such a clump into play, like at the front of the shoe would be advantageous. With a human shuffle, keeping the aces separated would add another layer on complexity. It would take an expert mechanic to pull that off.

But with the ASM situation the aces are not randomly distributed. They always end up clumped with the low cards. Again, the machine has that capability.

[mcap]

This thread got real gay.

[kewlJ]

This thread got real gay.

Who is it that steered it in that direction? Oh yeah....Blackhole.

[accountinquestion]

Wow. This thread completely deviated from its original purpose! O.O

Atleast it gave blackhole the opportunity to come out of the closet. Kind of gives new meaning to his screen name.....lol....Now that we know more about him.

With my accidental inhalation of some high-grade marijuana, I have come to ponder alternative meanings to that song Blackhole, son.

[kewlJ]

But with the ASM situation the aces are not randomly distributed. They always end up clumped with the low cards. Again, the machine has that capability.

And so far players remain at the mercy of casino, trusting that they won't use this capability. Personally, I would like a little more than that. I would like someone to bring a case and get a ruling similar to Mindplay prohibiting them from using it. But with some in the AP community able to take advantage, no one is eager to bring such a case. So we remain in limbo, trusting that most casinos won't use this capability.

[coach belly]

I'm assuming here that the high-value cards you mean are all 10-value. Is that correct?

Are the clumps made up of entirely high cards, or just more high cards than a random shuffle should produce, with some low cards mixed into the clump?

if the aces were randomly distributed, then yes the player would have an advantage during that high count clump. But with the ASM situation the aces are not randomly distributed. They always end up clumped with the low cards.

OK - so under the conditions outlined above, during the sequence where the clumped cards are being dealt, do either the players or house have an advantage?

[accountinquestion]

I'm assuming here that the high-value cards you mean are all 10-value. Is that correct?

Are the clumps made up of entirely high cards, or just more high cards than a random shuffle should produce, with some low cards mixed into the clump?

if the aces were randomly distributed, then yes the player would have an advantage during that high count clump. But with the ASM situation the aces are not randomly distributed. They always end up clumped with the low cards.

OK - so under the conditions outlined above, during the sequence where the clumped cards are being dealt, do either the players or house have an advantage?

When the aces are away from the 10's blackjacks aren't going to happen which would favor the house given the 3:2 payout. It wasn't clear to me before because I assumed As were "high-cards" but if they are kept away from the 10s then it seems more obvious that it'd be bad for player. Then I have to wonder if there is not an alternative count that could be devised etc. The interesting part is to know how these things worked in practice to figure out how to develop counter-strategies.

[AndrewG]

Where can I read more about dealers or machines that are capable of intentional arranging clumps of shuffled cards?

[coach belly]

When the aces are away from the 10's blackjacks aren't going to happen which would favor the house given the 3:2 payout

It's understood that the lack of aces within the clump would favor the house.

But, considering that the clump is where the pack is 10-rich, is the player's expectation still positive during the sequence when the clump is being dealt, even without aces in the mix?

Also, isn't there a high negative TC value where the player actually has the edge?

[kewlJ]

I have never heard of a high neg tc player advantage. There is a point at which it slows the rate at which the advantage advances towards the house. I have heard something along these lines. But the problem is You Are already at a substantial house advantage by that point. The (much) better alternative is to not play those rounds and find another game.

As for player advantage for a clump of high cards with no aces. I am not sure. I wouldn't think so. The loss of that potential 150% payout is a big deal. That is why 6:5 blackjack is so bad.

There will be individual hands where the player might have an advantage like if he somehow was able to draw a 2 card 10 or 11 out of that clump of high cards. In that case his double down is likely to be more successful, making that hand +EV. But overall I think it is -EV.

[coach belly]

I have never heard of a high neg tc player advantage.

As for player advantage for a clump of high cards with no aces. I am not sure. I wouldn't think so...overall I think it is -EV.

So if the player's expectation is negative when the clump of high cards are being dealt (due to the absence of aces), and the player's expectation is negative when the rest of the pack (with predominantly low cards) is being dealt, then at what point in the rigged-shuffle shoe would the players have the advantage?

[kewlJ]

I have never heard of a high neg tc player advantage.

As for player advantage for a clump of high cards with no aces. I am not sure. I wouldn't think so...overall I think it is -EV.

So if the player's expectation is negative when the clump of high cards are being dealt (due to the absence of aces), and the player's expectation is negative when the rest of the pack (with predominantly low cards) is being dealt, then at what point in the rigged-shuffle shoe would the players have the advantage?

He WOULDN'T. That is the point of the house "rigging" the shuffle.

[coach belly]

So if the player's expectation is negative when the clump of high cards are being dealt (due to the absence of aces), and the player's expectation is negative when the rest of the pack (with predominantly low cards) is being dealt, then at what point in the rigged-shuffle shoe would the players have the advantage?

He WOULDN'T. That is the point of the house "rigging" the shuffle.

Then why did certain players take issue with you exposing the house that rigged the shuffle?