The fact that they don't know you are stealing EV from them makes it ok? Or do ask the players, "hey, thanks for playing and making the deck positive EV for me, I'm about to sit down and steal some of your EV via card counting and when the count gets bad and no longer in my favor I'm going to leave you at the table(a trip to the bathroom) and let you build it back up for me, is that OK? Have you ever thought about how much money you have cost other players? When back counting(sometimes you are watching another table while playing) someone might say you steal from individuals while others steal from the casinos.
You know its against the casinos rules to count cards and it's unwanted. Why is it ethical and moral to do something you know is unwanted and frowned upon?
Didn't you say you and your partner used to play on friends cards at various casinos on VP in order to game the system and earn extra free play? According to your views wouldn't that be theft as well?
I tend to think they were sleazeballs, but not for what they did, but for how they went about it all, and how acted towards each other, and how they got greedy. They could have had it made. I do think turning a hit they found on a machine they didn't play to get and turning it into a jackpot could be illegal. There is no way I would do that. Not only would I assume it was illegal, it's a really dumb thing to do. The same with using the same hand to create multiple jackpot pays. That was really dumb and anyone had to know that.
Last edited by AxelWolf; 05-17-2019 at 10:43 AM.
We’re on the same page. The worst part of it is the way they treated each other. They had it made and got greedy. By the time the law caught up with Nestor, he was taking a whole entourage with him into the casino. Probably half his town knew about it by the time he got caught.
Regarding Nestor and Kane: this is all on Kane. He's such an idiot. You NEVER tell a soul about something like this if you want it to last unless you know they're in a good place and you trust them with your life and they are going to help you profit from it. And you would be the most stupid person on earth to claim jackpots like axel described they did above. These guys truly got what they deserved.
You know, I met with Stephen Paddock just after I completed a win with this at the Mirage around 2005. He recognized me from my GT pic, and he asked about my strategy. In less than 3 minutes I could tell he was a big loser, angry at the casinos, and really not interested in doing much talking. He seemed like he was on something that made him hyper-anxious. All he wanted to do was get to a machine and PLAY! I had stayed long enuf. I told him I had to get home. It is my strong belief that had he ever come across this play, he'd have killed it on his own faster than these two clowns did together. And I believe the majority of people would do the same thing.
I was very disappointed and even mad when Anthony Curtis(I think it was him, please correct me if I'm wrong) went on to grab some readership and jump out in front of this story and suggested this guy was an AP. I knew damn well this guy was NOT and AP. He may have been a value player and tried his best to lose less money(there are lots of people who do that), but that's the extent of it.
Anthony should have done more research before he wrote about it.
He had like 1.5 million in personal stuff. Home, vehicles, personal property, cash, and of course guns. Then his business interests in rental properties was worth another 3.5 million or so. There was alot of legal wrangling on how to get the money to the victims families.
Why do you say that? Nestor was a loser. When he was living in Pennsylvania, he was on welfare (public assistance). At least that’s what the article said. What grown 40 year old able body man sits on welfare and can’t find a job? When he was in Vegas, he lost $20,000/yr for several years until he moved back to Pennsylvania to sit on welfare. At least, that’s the picture the article paints of Nestor.
This is probably why Kane called him up, and offered him this opportunity. He knew Nestor wasn’t doing anything. Kane gave him a proposal: He would revel a play if he got half of Nestor’s winnings. What did Nestor have to lose? This was better than what he was doing, sitting on welfare.
Obviously, Kane should have never brought Nestor in on this play. He didn’t know it’d backfire on him. And no, I do not believe Nestor contributed anything to finding this play, even though I know that’s Nestor’s story. Nestor is too stupid to bring anything to the table.
It sounds like once Nestor learned about this play, he decided to go back on his word. So Nestor is the biggest sleazyball. It’s hard to know what to believe with his story. I’m sure Kane’s version is much different than Nestor’s.
An AP stopping ME to ask questions!?
I also read something about him being perceived as an AP. I think it was in some police blog or something but they got the info from somewhere. No way this guy was, at least in your sense of the term. I can see how that report would be upsetting to your community though.
The Wired story was that he brought Nestor in to help him figure out how to repeat the glitch, not as an act of charity.
However if for some reason he did feel a charitable obligation toward this one random degenerate gambler he should have just worked his golden goose by himself and given Nestor some free cash on the side.
Bringing someone in on a play like this, especially a degenerate, when you don't need them at all is horrifically bad strategy.
Paddock was nothing more than a degenerate, high limit gambler with a lot of money. Nothing else. I see his type in various casinos all day long.
I agree. I googled these two guys on the internet and got different slants of this story. What is known is that Nestor agreed to giving 50% of his winnings to Kane. If they were still trying to figure out this play together, it makes no sense that Nestor would have agreed to give Kane 50% and Kane also got to keep all his own winnings.
The only thing Nestor tries to take credit for is figuring out double up had to be active to make it work. This is the easiest part of the play. That’s why I’m not buying Nestor’s version. I expect Kane had probably already figured out this play when he called Nestor. This is only speculation, but it makes sense. If they figured it out together then it makes NO sense Nestor would have agreed up front to giving Kane 50%.
The story on wire.com is from Nestor’s side so you have to read between the lines.
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