Guidelines for AP play on Buffalo Diamond slots

[mickeycrimm]

For those that AP these, what are your minimum starting numbers on the grid?

Currently, on the 75 bet level my stats show 48 as the breakeven on the 2X, 106 on the 3X, and 181 on the 4X. My database for the higher bet levels is not large enough to draw any conclusions yet.

I hear what ya saying about your personal stats, but this is no way near accurate.
Would play any denomination on the bottom at 40 or higher

Boy, did I step in it. You clearly asked the question about starting numbers like you were a novice on the game. You were obviously setting me up. I had no idea you are an expert on the game. Please, could you share your expertise with us? Here are some questions you should have no problem answering. Let's not muddy it up by discussing all the bet levels at the same time. They all have different configurations. These questions are for the 75 level.

1. What is the combined payback percentage for the main game plus 1X freespins?
2. What is the average number of spins for catching the wheel in the main game?
3. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 2X?
4. What is the average value of a banked 2X freespin? How many units is each spin worth?
5. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 3X?
6. What is the average value of a banked 3X freespin?
7. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 4X?
8. What is the average value of a banked 4X freespin.
9. What is the overall payback percentage of the game?
10. How many sockpuppets do you have?

Thank you so much in advance for sharing your expertise with us. We eagerly await your learned answers.

[mickeycrimm]

Boy, did I step in it. You clearly asked the question about starting numbers like you were a novice on the game. You were obviously setting me up. I had no idea you are an expert on the game. Please, could you share your expertise with us? Here are some questions you should have no problem answering. Let's not muddy it up by discussing all the bet levels at the same time. They all have different configurations. These questions are for the 75 level.

1. What is the combined payback percentage for the main game plus 1X freespins?
2. What is the average number of spins for catching the wheel in the main game?
3. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 2X?
4. What is the average value of a banked 2X freespin? How many units is each spin worth?
5. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 3X?
6. What is the average value of a banked 3X freespin?
7. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 4X?
8. What is the average value of a banked 4X freespin.
9. What is the overall payback percentage of the game?
10. How many sockpuppets do you have?

Thank you so much in advance for sharing your expertise with us. We eagerly await your learned answers.

Piggy Banker, in your last post you accidentally forgot to answer any of my questions. I gave them a bump to jog your memory. Thank you for any help you can give on these various questions.

[MaxPen]

Currently, on the 75 bet level my stats show 48 as the breakeven on the 2X, 106 on the 3X, and 181 on the 4X. My database for the higher bet levels is not large enough to draw any conclusions yet.

I hear what ya saying about your personal stats, but this is no way near accurate.
Would play any denomination on the bottom at 40 or higher

Boy, did I step in it. You clearly asked the question about starting numbers like you were a novice on the game. You were obviously setting me up. I had no idea you are an expert on the game. Please, could you share your expertise with us? Here are some questions you should have no problem answering. Let's not muddy it up by discussing all the bet levels at the same time. They all have different configurations. These questions are for the 75 level.

1. What is the combined payback percentage for the main game plus 1X freespins?
2. What is the average number of spins for catching the wheel in the main game?
3. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 2X?
4. What is the average value of a banked 2X freespin? How many units is each spin worth?
5. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 3X?
6. What is the average value of a banked 3X freespin?
7. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 4X?
8. What is the average value of a banked 4X freespin.
9. What is the overall payback percentage of the game?
10. How many sockpuppets do you have?

Thank you so much in advance for sharing your expertise with us. We eagerly await your learned answers.

I have no clue as I've only played the game a little bit without tracking anything. I have never seen the game with the numbers you claim are needed for it to be a play. IIRC
I don't think there is much value to be found in this game but could be wrong. I'd like to guess at all your questions. Let me know if I'm close.
1. 50%
2. 125
3. 1000
4. 1.5x
5. 2000
6. 2.5x
7. 5000
8. 2x
9. 85%
10. At least 5

[mickeycrimm]

I hear what ya saying about your personal stats, but this is no way near accurate.
Would play any denomination on the bottom at 40 or higher

Boy, did I step in it. You clearly asked the question about starting numbers like you were a novice on the game. You were obviously setting me up. I had no idea you are an expert on the game. Please, could you share your expertise with us? Here are some questions you should have no problem answering. Let's not muddy it up by discussing all the bet levels at the same time. They all have different configurations. These questions are for the 75 level.

1. What is the combined payback percentage for the main game plus 1X freespins?
2. What is the average number of spins for catching the wheel in the main game?
3. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 2X?
4. What is the average value of a banked 2X freespin? How many units is each spin worth?
5. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 3X?
6. What is the average value of a banked 3X freespin?
7. What is the average number of spins of the wheel to catch the 4X?
8. What is the average value of a banked 4X freespin.
9. What is the overall payback percentage of the game?
10. How many sockpuppets do you have?

Thank you so much in advance for sharing your expertise with us. We eagerly await your learned answers.

I have no clue as I've only played the game a little bit without tracking anything. I have never seen the game with the numbers you claim are needed for it to be a play. IIRC
I don't think there is much value to be found in this game but could be wrong. I'd like to guess at all your questions. Let me know if I'm close.
1. 50%
2. 125
3. 1000
4. 1.5x
5. 2000
6. 2.5x
7. 5000
8. 2x
9. 85%
10. At least 5

Thanks, Max, for giving me a lot of work to do here. It's really made my day. Not!

First, all of the bet levels are their own animals. It's a difference like night and day between the 75 level and the 400 level. Each bet level is tracked separately. I have a big database on the 75 level as it it where the bulk of my stats come from because that is the level that gets most of the action from the rec players. So the answers here all apply to the 75 level.

1. 33K spins tracked on the main game and 1X freespins combined. Return is 62.8%.

2. 34K spins tracked. Average to catch wheel = 146.42

3. Wheels to date, 378. Wheel spins that produced the 2X = 92. Avg. 4.11 spins per 2X.

4. I attribute all of the payback in the freespins to the initial number of games awarded. The extra freespins awarded are part of the value of the initial freespins awarded. This keeps it simple. If I''m awarded 47 freespins on the 2X and wind up with 57 spins that payed 220 bets then all of those bets returned are attributed to the original 47 spins.

1889 2X freespins tracked. Return = 6718 bets. Avg. 3.556 bets per spin.

5. 378 wheel spins have produced the 3X freespins 19 times. Avg. 19.89

6. 1819 3X freespins have returned 10,651 bets. Avg. 5.855 bets per spin.

7. 378 wheel spins have produced the 4X free games 6 times. Avg. 63

8. 602 4X freespins have returned 4489 bets. Avg. 7.4568 bets per spins.

9. My stats put the game with all meters at reset at 85.4%

Keep in mind that I'm still adding stats to the sample space as I get plays. These are my current numbers. they can change. But at this point I don't look for them to change much.