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Thread: A real +EV Bad Beat

  1. #1
    Here ya go.... a real +EV bad beat. A pair of Jacks loses to a pair of tens on the flop.

    https://www.pokernews.com/tours/wsop...ips.226966.htm

  2. #2
    Max Steinberg was eliminated on the very first hand on day 1b with his AA vs KK when a K was the door card on the flop and two other players folded the other aces.

    https://www.highstakesdb.com/8888-ma...with-aces.aspx

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Max Steinberg was eliminated on the very first hand on day 1b with his AA vs KK when a K was the door card on the flop and two other players folded the other aces.

    https://www.highstakesdb.com/8888-ma...with-aces.aspx
    Ahh... the risks of +EV.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Max Steinberg was eliminated on the very first hand on day 1b with his AA vs KK when a K was the door card on the flop and two other players folded the other aces.

    https://www.highstakesdb.com/8888-ma...with-aces.aspx
    Ahh... the risks of +EV.
    Or -EV. That same player busted a little while later.

    I was on 9/7 TDB one day and was dealt A272A, held the AA and watched me draw 224! Poop happens once in a while!

    You realize that the KK (NOT knowing other players cards) still had about 19% (18.55% if suits are different to be precise) equity pre-flop, right? Meaning it wins about 1 out of 5 times.
    Last edited by jbjb; 07-05-2018 at 07:15 AM.

  5. #5
    KK winning one out of five times is not +EV.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    KK winning one out of five times is not +EV.
    Of course not and I didn't say it was. No matter the results of one particular hand, I'll take AA against KK all day long! And that's how you should look at VP as well.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    KK winning one out of five times is not +EV.
    Of course not and I didn't say it was. No matter the results of one particular hand, I'll take AA against KK all day long! And that's how you should look at VP as well.
    Huh???

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    KK winning one out of five times is not +EV.
    Of course not and I didn't say it was. No matter the results of one particular hand, I'll take AA against KK all day long! And that's how you should look at VP as well.
    Huh???
    You don't understand that? No wonder you can't (or don't want to) win at casino games. Explains why you hold a three card royal of a pair of jacks, queens, or kings in BP,. You'd rather take the lower EV hoping to get "lucky" (KK in the poker example) than the higher EV play (AA in the poker example) and make more money. Honestly, you're hopeless.

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    Duplicate

  10. #10
    What I don't understand is why you're bringing up video poker when the thread is about bad beats in live poker. There are no bad beats in video poker.

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    Maybe we should start a separate Bad Beat thread.

    My worst beat:

    1. I'm holding 99 and see a flop of 9d 9c 6c.

    2. Villain bets, I raise, villain moves all in and I call.

    3. Turn card is 10d, river card is Qd.

    4. Villain turns over 8d Jd for a runner runner straight flush.

    Too bad they didn't have a Bad Beat Jackpot!

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by a2a3dseddie View Post
    Maybe we should start a separate Bad Beat thread.

    My worst beat:

    1. I'm holding 99 and see a flop of 9d 9c 6c.

    2. Villain bets, I raise, villain moves all in and I call.

    3. Turn card is 10d, river card is Qd.

    4. Villain turns over 8d Jd for a runner runner straight flush.

    Too bad they didn't have a Bad Beat Jackpot!
    By the odds it's not the worst bad beat possible because villain could have made three different straight flushes. I've been beat twice flopping top set and losing to an underpair to the board. On one I was holding pocket jacks and the flop was:

    J-9-3

    Villain with pocket deuces called me and caught runner runner deuce deuce to beat me. It was 989 to 1 on the flop for me to lose the hand. That's the worst possible bad beat.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    At some of the LA casinos quads losing triggered the $100,000 mega bad beat jackpot. At the Bicycle one Sunday quad tens lost to quad Jacks. Quad tens player got $40,000 while Quad Jacks player got $20,000 and seven or eight others shared $40,000.

  14. #14
    I see Barbara Enright is 10th in chips. I know it's still early in the ME, but that would be a story if she makes a deep run. Unless this is a different Barbara Enright.


    Edit: Either pokernews listed a typo or she lost a lot fast lol. Earlier, before the start today, she was listed in 10th with 1,260,000 chips. Now they show her in 897th with 126,000 chips.
    Last edited by jbjb; 07-08-2018 at 12:02 PM.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    At some of the LA casinos quads losing triggered the $100,000 mega bad beat jackpot. At the Bicycle one Sunday quad tens lost to quad Jacks. Quad tens player got $40,000 while Quad Jacks player got $20,000 and seven or eight others shared $40,000.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/upswing...y-detroit/amp/

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