Royal flush alert

[Rob.Singer]

I'm in shock & awe at this. Rob, you have always stood your ground with an utterly unyielding tenacity all throughout the years you've posted online. Now Dan has won the trolling battle when the Bob Dancer obsession angle has been brought up?

I can't believe it: Dan Druff has won a battle with a distinction here that no one else can share. It's truly a first. Spock, arci, eddiea2a3, Fezzik, CD Denver, OEJ, Cogno Scienti all failed to force Rob to retreat his position...The list of casualties goes on and on and Rob never backed down, NEVER!

My hats off to you Mr. Dan Druff. You won the Internet, sir.

And you forgot that I'm on my way out to visit arci over the holidays also.

As Dan pointed out, this trash talking is no way for a 60-something person to stay involved in. He's younger and age trumps everything. The only thing age-related that I have going for me is I'm still in top notch shape, which would mean something if I played basketball in the gym everyday. I've had probably the best run of anyone who hasn't hit a $400,000 royal and kept it, over the past 15 years or so, and we're doing exactly what we've always wanted to do in retirement--and in style for those familiar with the RV lifestyle. Getting in spats on a forum doesn't do it for me anymore. Dan has his moments, but we all do. Besides, when I get back to playing some vp again next summer I'm sure to frustrate my critics again.

[mickeycrimm]

Fact #1, you, the guy on the road, had the info, but didn't act on it. Moreover, you handed this "high risk high reward play" over freely, and w/o any such warning.

I delivered the information to highly knowledgeable big bankrolled pros who are the only ones who qualify for a play like this. The fact that I informed them that it was 8/5 DDB told them all they needed to know about the risk on the play.

[Rob.Singer]

This always gets me too. All the people on these forums making thousands, yet they can't support the forums who ask for support, not even $10; or say, look, I'll pay your way to come watch me show you the secret to life. Lol.

Which is why I've always taken many hours out of my spare time and always paid for my own travelling, to train & advise those who've asked and all at no charge, in addition to giving hundreds of my comped rooms to them and taking them to dinner away from casinos over the years. People who win do not need other people's money. But handing over mercy money to a forum owner who continuously gives the perception that as an "AP" he wins--which is also the overriding mantra of that entire membership--would only*be feeding into a possible gambling problem, in my honest opinion.

[mickeycrimm]

[QUOTE=ThomasClines;24573Fact #3, you continue to make baseless claims. (Where are your pictures, and documentation? No, I'm not the one who's claiming $500-600 a day.).[/QUOTE]

Just telling you my daily average was giving up to much information. I said I can make that but I didn't say anyone else could. You have to understand something. In Nevada I'm just a run of the mill pro, a dime a dozen guy. But in Montana I'm the king of the hill. No one here has the knowledge, skill and experience I have. There is one guy close to me. The rest can't even make $150 a day. The fact that they don't know how to exploit certain games leaves all those plays to me and adds to my bottom line. I don't tell them what I know and I damn sure ain't going to tell you. It's my intellectual property. I'll tell it on my death bed or if I become so disabled I can't get out anymore. Or if Alan ever takes a Montana vacation I will show him what I know but hold him to secrecy on the plays.

There has been a change on one exploitable game that will knock my daily average down 10% or 15% for the next few months. But a new game has come out that I am currently analyzing. I'll have to wait a few months for some meter build but the game is shaping up to add to my bottom line.

[mickeycrimm]

By the way, mickey, did your buddy have a Total Rewards card? I am sure he put on a lot of points and did he figure in to his return the bounce back plus comps and reward credits and GGWU points he scored with all of that play? Also, I am sure Rincon will swamp him with free play offers in December.

They haven't updated his card yet so he doesn't know. But he figures he ran about $200,000 in action.

[Rob.Singer]

mickey, if you only knew how silly, phony, and made up that all sounds to educated people. Then when you add in your stories of being a chest-pounding "pro" in Nevada in "the past" who left the best state in the US for professional gamblers for the "gambling mecca" of Montana to become the "King of Montana pro gambling"--and your being an admitted alcoholic which does not mix in any 24hr. period with responsible gambling of any kind whatsoever-- you'd be rolling on the floor with the rest of us.

On top of that, $600/sporadic day is nothing to brag about, or to even make a scant living on. Not to be hurtful, but your history suggests you're throwing away a good portion of that on cigarettes and booze, which is probably the norm for lonely people in a lonely place. Then, how's the health plan, the pension, social security, and the dental plan look? You see, it's not all a day-to-day thing when you choose to become a professional gambler. It's about preparation because everybody hopes they have a future. I'm sorry, but unless you have a magic wand that both defines and assists life that no one else does, that story of being a "pro in Montana" that you perpetuate, just doesn't hold water in the civilized world. The theorists and dreamers on WoV may enjoy buying into what you're selling, but mensa folks are known to look for anything for relaxing entertainment that'll get their minds away from the tortuous conflict they have to deal with on an everyday basis.

[Alan Mendelson]

Obamacare has made it possible for more people to do what they really want whether it means change jobs, retire early, or even become a professional gambler. No longer are we tied to jobs just for health benefits.

[mickeycrimm]

mickey, if you only knew how silly, phony, and made up that all sounds to educated people. Then when you add in your stories of being a chest-pounding "pro" in Nevada in "the past" who left the best state in the US for professional gamblers for the "gambling mecca" of Montana to become the "King of Montana pro gambling"--and your being an admitted alcoholic which does not mix in any 24hr. period with responsible gambling of any kind whatsoever-- you'd be rolling on the floor with the rest of us.

On top of that, $600/sporadic day is nothing to brag about, or to even make a scant living on. Not to be hurtful, but your history suggests you're throwing away a good portion of that on cigarettes and booze, which is probably the norm for lonely people in a lonely place. Then, how's the health plan, the pension, social security, and the dental plan look? You see, it's not all a day-to-day thing when you choose to become a professional gambler. It's about preparation because everybody hopes they have a future. I'm sorry, but unless you have a magic wand that both defines and assists life that no one else does, that story of being a "pro in Montana" that you perpetuate, just doesn't hold water in the civilized world. The theorists and dreamers on WoV may enjoy buying into what you're selling, but mensa folks are known to look for anything for relaxing entertainment that'll get their minds away from the tortuous conflict they have to deal with on an everyday basis.

Thanks for throwing flak, Rob. I don't need anymore competition in this state. Ignorant asses like you keep the thundering herds from pouring into Montana.

[mickeycrimm]

mickey, if you only knew how silly, phony, and made up that all sounds to educated people. Then when you add in your stories of being a chest-pounding "pro" in Nevada in "the past" who left the best state in the US for professional gamblers for the "gambling mecca" of Montana to become the "King of Montana pro gambling"--and your being an admitted alcoholic which does not mix in any 24hr. period with responsible gambling of any kind whatsoever-- you'd be rolling on the floor with the rest of us.

On top of that, $600/sporadic day is nothing to brag about, or to even make a scant living on. Not to be hurtful, but your history suggests you're throwing away a good portion of that on cigarettes and booze, which is probably the norm for lonely people in a lonely place. Then, how's the health plan, the pension, social security, and the dental plan look? You see, it's not all a day-to-day thing when you choose to become a professional gambler. It's about preparation because everybody hopes they have a future. I'm sorry, but unless you have a magic wand that both defines and assists life that no one else does, that story of being a "pro in Montana" that you perpetuate, just doesn't hold water in the civilized world. The theorists and dreamers on WoV may enjoy buying into what you're selling, but mensa folks are known to look for anything for relaxing entertainment that'll get their minds away from the tortuous conflict they have to deal with on an everyday basis.

Rob, you need to seek help for your mental disability. We were just all having fun at your expense but we didn't realize. But now it's become apparent.. We should have known better than to pick on you because of your mental handicap. We will try to do better in the future but we beseech you. Please try to get help for your mental handicap. After all, that's just heart.

[Rob.Singer]

Obamacare has made it possible for more people to do what they really want whether it means change jobs, retire early, or even become a professional gambler. No longer are we tied to jobs just for health benefits.

Who has ever been tied to a job for health benefits?

People blindly talk of the "benefits" of Obamacare, but that's because they do what Obama always does and only want to look at the surface, which is overloaded with theory. When we were based in Nevada at the start of this year we looked at getting an Obamacare policy because we weren't yet old enuf for Medicare. So I did extensive research into the policies the Nv. Exchange offered. Once you actually look into these policies it's nothing but a great big joke, and you can see why no one in Congress read it or even wanted to, and why he had to shove it thru with corrupt promises. In the end, we didn't get policies because for us it was like having no policies.

If you wanted a policy it was anything but "affordable". For us, because of our retirement income, it was $1600/mo. for a better than avg. policy. The cheapest was about a third of that. The better one had $1500 in deductibles and $10,000 in co-pays and co-insurance. The cheapest one had $12,000 in deductibles, co-pays for everything and a 30% co-insurance for everything. And these ridiculous income to premium etc. ratios were the same across the board, except that lower income folks get federal tax credits to help pay the premiums.

Most who joined this farce in 2014 were those slugs who qualified for Medicaid, which this law made easier to get of course. These people pay nothing, and it's the ONLY reason Obama wanted it--to make working people pay for his social justice agenda of handing out free healthcare to minorities who typically vote democrat. So Alan, your statement on what Obamacare has made possible is dead wrong.

[Rob.Singer]

After watching Mickey dance around and avoid multiple points, I took a look at the thread he started on WoV again. Not only does he insinuate how foolish it was for Alan to post about the Rincon play, he takes full credit for having given it to his "fellow AP's in Nv. & Calif." Such a wonderful guy....And it doesn't look like there will be any thank-you cash tip given on this (unless mickey's working out some kind of confidential payment to him from Ozzy, which is more his style) nor will Alan see anything as a grateful gesture. The guy's past posts do not suggest him being a successful gambler, and if someone like this is trading pats on the shoulder with someone like mickey....well, you get the picture.

If you want to get sick WoV is a forum that now boasts a thread entitled "My gay Vegas wedding". And if you want to throw up, read into it. For some reason these people feel entitled and empowered to gross us out with their scientifically corrupt and physiologically twisted nonsense. Maybe it's because every other new show on TV these days has queers in them. Can't wait to get back to republican rule and traditional values once again.

[Count Room]

Alan: I wanted to let you know I really appreciate the story you shared about the shoe shop owner sending you a check and your giving it back. I take your sharing the information about the progressive royal at Rincon as an extension of the ethical standards you hold as a journalist in general. Even though it didn't benefit me directly, I still applaud your sharing the info without expecting remuneration for it.

[Alan Mendelson]

Let's put aside that I am in the news business and just take up this "tip" or "finders fee" issue as it would apply to any casino patron:

I don't like this idea about anyone paying for information. I wouldn't pay for information, nor would I expect anyone to pay me for information. If someone hit a jackpot based on the information then a "tip" or a "gift" might be in order. I think we all (with the exception of Rob Singer) have tipped for handpays or have tipped a hot shooter at a craps table. Most recently I tipped the shooter after he hit four fire bet numbers -- but he didn't have a fire bet himself.

Paying for information or tipping for information in a casino setting strikes me as strange since the "information" isn't recently secret -- it's available to anyone who happens to "view" the game. Tipping or giving a gift afterwards because of that information is a nice thing to do.

By the way, mickeycrimm, if this comes up on the Wizard of Vegas forum (you have been talking about this thread over there) if Ozzy would like to "tip" he can make a donation to the Renal Support Network which is the charity I support. And for everyone -- they are having a poker tournament Saturday Nov 8 in Glendale. Many celebrities will be playing including tournament sponsor Jack Black. I'll be there, and I've been giving Gwen lessons on how to play. It's not serious poker -- it's a fundraiser for mostly teenagers waiting for a kidney transplant.

See: http://www.rsnhope.org/celebrity-poker-tourney/

[Count Room]

Many celebrities will be playing including tournament sponsor Jack Black. I'll be there, and I've been giving Gwen lessons on how to play. It's not serious poker -- it's a fundraiser for mostly teenagers waiting for a kidney transplant.

See: http://www.rsnhope.org/celebrity-poker-tourney/

Helping sick kids is always a highly noble cause, although I have to wonder whether Jack Black would have far more effective results at fundraising if he sponsored a blackjack tourney instead of poker....(Yes, yes I could not resist saying that, sorry!).

[ThomasClines]

Fact #1, you, the guy on the road, had the info, but didn't act on it. Moreover, you handed this "high risk high reward play" over freely, and w/o any such warning.

There has been a change on one exploitable game that will knock my daily average down 10% or 15% for the next few months. But a new game has come out that I am currently analyzing. I'll have to wait a few months for some meter build but the game is shaping up to add to my bottom line.

Well, you're killing David Sklansky's tenets of poker.

Namely, seeing how others play inconsistently, and not deviating from "perfect play". Nobody cares about who bluffs too much or little. There was an FBI experiment done many years ago about who could spot the liars. Their best agents scored about 53%. Poker has the added difficulty that most players do not know the strength of their holdings in most spots. In a big pot, you have to know.

You not only gave up this opportunity of Alan's, but you did so both freely, and w/o disclaimer. Then, some guy picked up on it, and made a quick $60,000. When you gamble for a living, you learn to gamble on everything. Guys like Sklansky, and Dolye Brunson, who have survived the ages, use a modified sort of Game Theory. Perfect strategy goes beyond that in that you're always trying to teach yourself to see what is about to happen, ie, not only what is likely to happen, or ways in which you can hedge your bets. If something happens, and you played it wrong, these guys consider that a foreseeable mistake as a fault which you shouldn't have made.

Contemporary cosmologists go a step beyond even perfect play, to recursive Game Theory by which such new theories spring from basically nothing. A better term for the Theory of Everything might be the Theory of Nothing. It's like trying to reverse engineer the science of UFO's from the the shapes, etc, involved. Yes, people have actually done such, and to extreme lengths. The idea is to grow the optimal strategies instead of by solving simultaneous differential equations, and rearranging the heuristics.

Anyway, I'm guessing that the guy who won this jackpot is already "in the hole". Way too serious for someone who is a casual gambler taking peripheral risks. Been in a lot of table games where people have won $25,000, and the chips were a fly'n. I've helped a lot of those guys too along the way, and they threw a lot of double downs, etc, my way. (Purple and orange chips on 11's is "gravy".) And, that if you keep waiting for plum opportunities, then your AP days will fall short of the expectations based upon the few results and extrapolations to date. This event should give you a better idea of field conditions. Especially, of what can happen after you broad cast what's out there.

As for Sklansky's theories of poker, he was more of an economist. I had hoped he would've tried to express more of his stuff mathematically. He did a lot of financial work for the major casinos, the MGM, eg, if I recall. In poker circles, he was known as the "poker genius w/o balls".

[ThomasClines]

Helping sick kids is always a highly noble cause, although I have to wonder...

Speaking as a Canadian, in a country of OHIP medical coverage for everyone, especially wrt major surgeries... I'm not so sure that I like the idea of casinos doing such fundraising.

Selling kidneys, etc, up here is strictly illegal, even after much recent debate on the long waiting lists. So then, ought any sort of profit or promotion of such in the process be illegal?

I don't know, in the middle of cooking a pot roast here.

Does any of this make any sense?

[mickeycrimm]

After watching Mickey dance around and avoid multiple points, I took a look at the thread he started on WoV again. Not only does he insinuate how foolish it was for Alan to post about the Rincon play, he takes full credit for having given it to his "fellow AP's in Nv. & Calif." Such a wonderful guy....And it doesn't look like there will be any thank-you cash tip given on this (unless mickey's working out some kind of confidential payment to him from Ozzy, which is more his style) nor will Alan see anything as a grateful gesture. The guy's past posts do not suggest him being a successful gambler, and if someone like this is trading pats on the shoulder with someone like mickey....well, you get the picture.

If you want to get sick WoV is a forum that now boasts a thread entitled "My gay Vegas wedding". And if you want to throw up, read into it. For some reason these people feel entitled and empowered to gross us out with their scientifically corrupt and physiologically twisted nonsense. Maybe it's because every other new show on TV these days has queers in them. Can't wait to get back to republican rule and traditional values once again.

Alan, Singer is once again paranoid delusional here. I never called you foolish. And i also told Ozzy that he was the one that made the decisions and assumed all the risk so don't over credit me for letting him know where a play was.

[Count Room]

Speaking as a Canadian, in a country of OHIP medical coverage for everyone, especially wrt major surgeries... I'm not so sure that I like the idea of casinos doing such fundraising.

Selling kidneys, etc, up here is strictly illegal, even after much recent debate on the long waiting lists. So then, ought any sort of profit or promotion of such in the process be illegal?

I don't know, in the middle of cooking a pot roast here.

Does any of this make any sense?

Thomas, the way I see it: Any promotion to help out the most helpless & vulnerable children in society is infinitely better than no promotion at all. Even if the Mafia or Mexican drug cartels were running it I would have to reluctantly approve of the event.

[mickeycrimm]

Let's put aside that I am in the news business and just take up this "tip" or "finders fee" issue as it would apply to any casino patron:

I don't like this idea about anyone paying for information. I wouldn't pay for information, nor would I expect anyone to pay me for information. If someone hit a jackpot based on the information then a "tip" or a "gift" might be in order. I think we all (with the exception of Rob Singer) have tipped for handpays or have tipped a hot shooter at a craps table. Most recently I tipped the shooter after he hit four fire bet numbers -- but he didn't have a fire bet himself.

Paying for information or tipping for information in a casino setting strikes me as strange since the "information" isn't recently secret -- it's available to anyone who happens to "view" the game. Tipping or giving a gift afterwards because of that information is a nice thing to do.

By the way, mickeycrimm, if this comes up on the Wizard of Vegas forum (you have been talking about this thread over there) if Ozzy would like to "tip" he can make a donation to the Renal Support Network which is the charity I support. And for everyone -- they are having a poker tournament Saturday Nov 8 in Glendale. Many celebrities will be playing including tournament sponsor Jack Black. I'll be there, and I've been giving Gwen lessons on how to play. It's not serious poker -- it's a fundraiser for mostly teenagers waiting for a kidney transplant.

See: http://www.rsnhope.org/celebrity-poker-tourney/

Alan, Rob is an arrogant hypocrite to be telling us anything about who should tip who. The cheap bastard has never tipped a dime on any royal he ever hit. I'm not going to suggest to Ozzy that he should tip anyone or donate anything. If I wanted to work the information you posted on the Rincon play for money I wouldn't have titled the WoV thread "Rincon Progressive at $71,000." I would have called it "$5 Progressive Royal at $71,000" and told those interested to PM me for the details. I would have then negotiated a finders fee with those that responded. I didn't receive nor will I accept any money from Ozzy.

Now as for Finder's Fee's in general. I used to play a lot of quarter progressives in Reno/Carson/Tahoe in the early 2000's. There were progressives that would go positive everywhere then. And monitoring the banks from Reno all the way to Tahoe could was a real pain in the ass. You couldn't keep up with it all. There were guys around like Joe the Greek. He was a sport bettor. But he knew the numbers us video poker pros liked on the different progressive banks. If he seen something he got $50 for calling me. And if the bank was filling up he got another $50 for locking up a seat until I got there. I wasn't the only one paying for this service. It was standard practice. by vp pros.

[Dan Druff]

Obamacare has been a big failure in California.

My premiums went up 50%, and almost all doctors in my area dropped off of my plan (because Obamacare plans pay them crap so they don't accept it).

I had a great health care plan for substantially less money last year. Now I pay a lot more for crap.