Professional Sportsbetting

[accountinquestion]

Awwww, mickey's backing off from his Fezzik challenge. Who knew? LOL.

I'll do it if Fezzik does it. Bottom line. He's the most knowledgeable, most experienced, most solid reputation with the most spectacular, documented results. Being questioned by Fezzik would be a true test. Set it up, baby. I may as well be questioned by the best.

Not backing off anything. You are the one backing off. You've threatened to publicly attack Fezzik. What's that all about? As soon as I tell him you want to talk about "the group and the mea culpa" what do you think he's going to do? Consent to being on a show where someone is going to attack him? You're trying to fuck things up. You know he won't do it under those conditions. Fraud.

But I'll damn sure make contact and tell him there's a huckster in Tennessee that wants a showdown with him. You're banking that I can't pull it off.
You swore up and down you were going to be on GWAE too. Rinse and repeat.

No, mickey. YOU said I'd be on GWAE if I contacted them, which I did. I emailed Munch twice. It appears that you were pulling some nonsense, probably misreporting their interest.

In fact, I'm emailing them again today as a courtesy to pass along my dates in Las Vegas. I think you better check your own posts and learn to read.

And I will not publicly attack Fezzik. I will just let him know that I am somewhat informed. Unlike you, mickey.

When you mention "the huckster," also mention that "the huckster" is in contact with his successful predecessor regarding "the debacle." He'll know what I'm talking about.

Mickey, you are so completely uninformed and out of your depth. But be sure to contact Fezzik regarding "the huckster." Please. I think it'll be eye-opening when he realizes his predecessor and "the huckster" may be working together.

Oh, mickey, I have to add this. Please let Fezzik know that "the huckster" is doing some work for George Anastasia's radio series. LOL.

Mickey didn't know about the parlay card tricks. A spot where lines aren't adjusted. Mickey would have readily figured it out had he encountered it. The guy clearly knows numbers and anyone in the slot game knows this. He has a pretty damn good natural ability with numbers. You on the other hand seem to scoff at numbers.

People - figure it out.

The fact that you try SO HARD to discredit him with scant details is just further evidence of you being bullshit.

Talk about out of depth. You are so ignorant you scoffed at the math and terminology readily used by winning sports bettors all over. You ridiculed me, yet the terminology I used seems to be in common usage and amongst winning bettors.


Again, the question remains. How did you report a ROI on your website without using the concept of EV in sports betting? Stop hiding in the shadows like a little avoiding rodent and answer the damn question.

The large letters are for emphasis not anger.

[AxelWolf]

You accused me of being lazy etc, but let me point out, I have told you and mentioned numerous times that I was betting the parlays back in the early 2000s and on and off since.

Axelwolf, can I ask you a simple question? Do you believe Redietz has made a living involved with sports betting for the last 30-40 years as he has claimed?

I do. There are some inconsistencies, but basically, on my knows what he is talking about vs just talking meter, redietz passes to my satisfaction. Plus, I don't know that anyone would carry on a charade for decades other than Ron Singer, who has some issues.

Now if you don't believe it, and/or he doesn't pass your 'test', it is fine that you say so and challenge him.

But I feel like you and mickey and a few others believes his basic claim, but are really giving him a hard time right now because of dislikes and ego.

I mean comments like "You accused me of being lazy etc" or AccountinQuestion actually saying he finds redietz condescending, or mickey obviously having a chip on his shoulder after redietz stupid comment about social security and welfare, just makes me think you guys are just out to belittle him and discredit him, more so that that you actually dis-believe him. Just feels like egos come in to play. Maybe I am wrong.

Via handicapping? NO!!! I don't know anyone whose sole income has been derived from pure handicapping. Do I think he's made a living via the sports industry? Yes. I haven't any doubt that his knowledge of sports and the sports industry is far superior to anyone here.

FYI this isn't me jumping on the hate redietz bandwagon. You're probably only noticing it now, but you can go way back to the beginning I have always asked redietz tough questions about his sports gig, and I have always been very skeptical any sort of sports touting-related stuff. Regrettably, I ramped up my dixdeadedness to a sad level after having read some of his recent posts. I got sucked in. I feel bad for being an ass and insulting to redietz he didn't deserve that. I should have argued my point without being insulting.

[kewlJ]

Regrettably, I ramped up my dixdeadedness to a sad level after having read some of his recent posts. I got sucked in. I feel bad for being an ass and insulting to redietz he didn't deserve that. I should have argued my point without being insulting.

Good for you for saying this. We all are guilty of this. It is easy to get sucked into these situations.

[coach belly]

Do I think he's made a living via the sports industry? Yes.

Can you give some examples of what you mean, that you think may apply?

[accountinquestion]

I may come across mean towards Redietz but at every chance he has had - he has went out of his way to be condescending. APs talking about sports betting from an AP perspective put the guy on tilt as it is obviously his sole identity. He then just double-downed on his condescension. Telling Mickey he is out of his depth 3 times in one post. He's not even trying to be amusing either. It'd been pretty easy of him to just accept that APs can beat sports and the dedicated ones probably win far more than a handicapper. Being able to spread action across sports throughout the year must be pretty valuable and other various debatable reasons.

[regnis]

I was aware of Integrity Sports many years ago when I was in that line of work. So I do have some awareness of his history. However, he is often his own worst enemy as he can be very evasive as to exactly what he does.

One of my beefs with the "company" that I worked for was that they insisted on giving out both sides of games. I felt that with the wealth of knowledge and information that we had, it was not necessary. This was 40 years ago when very few had that information. In those days, and probably until about 2000, you could make $ handicapping sports. I can't say the same thing now as I bet only a few games now and then for fun. I would think playing the freebies and bonuses on all the various wagering platform is the best way now unless you have the 40-50 years of knowledge and experience, and the time, that Redietz has.

[AxelWolf]

Do I think he's made a living via the sports industry? Yes.

Can you give some examples of what you mean, that you think may apply?

It's hard to really say because I don't know how his business model worked/works. This is all speculative.

I haven't any clue how many investors he has or how much they invest. I don't know how often investors come and go(you will see why that's important). I don't know if his investors have action on his contest entries and all of his sports betting or if he does his own betting on the side.

From my understanding, he only deals with bigger investors. I assume he has a good deal with his investors, perhaps a free roll of some sort. If you have investors and you're betting enough, you are going to get extra perks and you can even negotiate better deals... Less vig, free bets, free contest entries, etc. Are investors investing as a group or as individuals(thats important to know)?

He posted something about earning a shit ton of loyalty points, I haven't any idea if that was accumulated from the investor's money or his own. If he's using investors' money do they share the extras or does he get to keep it?



He obviously knows and understands how to exploit legitimate +EV situations such as rebates, bonuses, middles, line shopping, etc.

He mentioned something about knowing what direction the line will move based on the public betting and other factors, that's definitely +EV.

You should be making money when you include all of that.


When and how often does the money get settled up? Does everything start fresh/reset after a settlement?

Let's assume you have a situation where you get a percentage of your investor's wins and take non of the loss(even if you yourself are an investor).
If investors are coming and going or treated as individuals and not as a group, you can see how that's +EV for the investee.

If you have a situation where you get a percentage of your investor's wins and take non of the loss and you settle up at the end of each season and start fresh without makeup from any previous losing seasons you can see how an investee would come out on top in that situation.

[mickeycrimm]

No, mickey. YOU said I'd be on GWAE if I contacted them, which I did. I emailed Munch twice. It appears that you were pulling some nonsense, probably misreporting their interest.

Ditz, you are worse than KJ when it comes to inventing facts. So I "said you would be on GWAE?" YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.

You said you would appear on GWAE in post #3 before I said anything about it. I said I would I contact them and "We'll see what happens."

So I gave them your name then copied and pasted your post #5 in this thread:

"I'll be more than happy to guest on GWAE and explain why the phrase "Expected Value" is inappropriate for sports betting purposes. I'll also be more than happy to explain why handicappers with documented decades-long records and reputations among managers of sports books are more credible than cute anonymous nicknames. And I'll be amenable to pulling rank on the LVA sports betting luminaries, with the exception of Fezzik, who is one of the best contest players of all time, but who has run into some harsh realities in the hands-on gambling world. In fact, I can wax eloquent regarding how Fezzik fared helming a Las Vegas cartel, the consequences, and how his predecessors had fared.

I can also mention some of Billy Walters' tricks of the trade. And who were the best of the best in sports handicapping decade by decade in Las Vegas. Also, how I noticed Lefty Rosenthal when he visited the Stardust. And, years later, how I almost ruined a scene in the movie Casino."
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They certainly weren't impressed by you referring to nationally known professional sportsbettor, Spanky, as "a cute anonymous nickname." Don't you think that made you look ignorant? They were concerned you would attack people on the show. I went out on a limb and gave them my assurances you would be a gentleman. They gave me the greenlight for you to contact them to see if you could all agree to a set of questions to be asked. But who knows if they were solid for having you on.

So I sent you their email addresses. You were on your own from that point forward. Whether you are going to be on or not is up to the parties involved, not me. Did you think you would be on the show without any negotiation?

I've been completely transparent here. All you've given is "I emailed Munchkin twice. He hasn't gotten back to me." First of all you should have CC'd Dancer. 2nd of all, what the fuck did you put in the email? It could have put Munchkin off. 2nd, they were concerned about how your behavior would be. For all I know one of them could have looked you up on this site and didn't like what they saw.

The only one to blame for you not being on the show is YOU.

[AxelWolf]

I was aware of Integrity Sports many years ago when I was in that line of work. So I do have some awareness of his history. However, he is often his own worst enemy as he can be very evasive as to exactly what he does.

One of my beefs with the "company" that I worked for was that they insisted on giving out both sides of games. I felt that with the wealth of knowledge and information that we had, it was not necessary. This was 40 years ago when very few had that information. In those days, and probably until about 2000, you could make $ handicapping sports. I can't say the same thing now as I bet only a few games now and then for fun. I would think playing the freebies and bonuses on all the various wagering platform is the best way now unless you have the 40-50 years of knowledge and experience, and the time, that Redietz has.

Can you define handicapping? It seems like a silly request, but there is +EV sports betting that covers a variety of things that can be backed up with math and perhaps historical data, I'm a firm believer in that. And then there's handicapping. Handicapping is based on various things. What are those things? Obviously, it depends on the handicapper and the list is long. But perhaps someone can give me the top 5 most important things a handicapper looks for and how those things translate to +EV.

[regnis]

I was aware of Integrity Sports many years ago when I was in that line of work. So I do have some awareness of his history. However, he is often his own worst enemy as he can be very evasive as to exactly what he does.

One of my beefs with the "company" that I worked for was that they insisted on giving out both sides of games. I felt that with the wealth of knowledge and information that we had, it was not necessary. This was 40 years ago when very few had that information. In those days, and probably until about 2000, you could make $ handicapping sports. I can't say the same thing now as I bet only a few games now and then for fun. I would think playing the freebies and bonuses on all the various wagering platform is the best way now unless you have the 40-50 years of knowledge and experience, and the time, that Redietz has.

Can you define handicapping? It seems like a silly request, but there is +EV sports betting that covers a variety of things that can be backed up with math and perhaps historical data, I'm a firm believer in that. And then there's handicapping. Handicapping is based on various things. What are those things? Obviously, it depends on the handicapper and the list is long. But perhaps someone can give me the top 5 most important things a handicapper looks for and how those things translate to +EV.

Axel-that is a good and difficult question to answer. My primary handicapping tool in those days was the inside info we received from trainers or others at the particular colleges. Beyond that it was the normal things like matchups, home/ away, some degree of historicals, and just years of experience analyzing games. I was not that much into line movements as we had to publish early in the week.
I am not one to rely on stats that have no reasoning behind them. For example, mickey or smoke or someone has thrown out there some stat about dogs of 3 or less (or something like that). I need a reason for that stat. Otherwise to me it is just a statistical anomaly like heads coming up 70 out of 100 times. That being said, i probably made my biggest scores fading the big 10 in the bowl games and march madness. There is some degree of reason behind that—they are always over rated.

Knowledge and experience were the keys. There was no internet and widely known stats.. you had to make your own. I do agree it is completely different now which is why i stick to horses. Plus, instead of -105, i get much higher odds.

[mickeycrimm]

I was aware of Integrity Sports many years ago when I was in that line of work. So I do have some awareness of his history. However, he is often his own worst enemy as he can be very evasive as to exactly what he does.

One of my beefs with the "company" that I worked for was that they insisted on giving out both sides of games. I felt that with the wealth of knowledge and information that we had, it was not necessary. This was 40 years ago when very few had that information. In those days, and probably until about 2000, you could make $ handicapping sports. I can't say the same thing now as I bet only a few games now and then for fun. I would think playing the freebies and bonuses on all the various wagering platform is the best way now unless you have the 40-50 years of knowledge and experience, and the time, that Redietz has.

Can you define handicapping? It seems like a silly request, but there is +EV sports betting that covers a variety of things that can be backed up with math and perhaps historical data, I'm a firm believer in that. And then there's handicapping. Handicapping is based on various things. What are those things? Obviously, it depends on the handicapper and the list is long. But perhaps someone can give me the top 5 most important things a handicapper looks for and how those things translate to +EV.

Axel-that is a good and difficult question to answer. My primary handicapping tool in those days was the inside info we received from trainers or others at the particular colleges. Beyond that it was the normal things like matchups, home/ away, some degree of historicals, and just years of experience analyzing games. I was not that much into line movements as we had to publish early in the week.
I am not one to rely on stats that have no reasoning behind them. For example, mickey or smoke or someone has thrown out there some stat about dogs of 3 or less (or something like that). I need a reason for that stat. Otherwise to me it is just a statistical anomaly like heads coming up 70 out of 100 times. That being said, i probably made my biggest scores fading the big 10 in the bowl games and march madness. There is some degree of reason behind that—they are always over rated.

Knowledge and experience were the keys. There was no internet and widely known stats.. you had to make your own. I do agree it is completely different now which is why i stick to horses. Plus, instead of -105, i get much higher odds.

Smoke put up some Shack stats that showed NFL away dogs covered 54% over the last 30 years. I think that is significant and can't be called a trend.

In the Fezzik interview when asked about dead numbers on parlay cards he said when a line on a parlay card is -2.5 then the line on the board moves to -3.5, the -2.5 wins 60% of the time whereas the -3.5 wins 50% of the time. I have to think he's basing that off statistics.

[AxelWolf]

I was aware of Integrity Sports many years ago when I was in that line of work. So I do have some awareness of his history. However, he is often his own worst enemy as he can be very evasive as to exactly what he does.

One of my beefs with the "company" that I worked for was that they insisted on giving out both sides of games. I felt that with the wealth of knowledge and information that we had, it was not necessary. This was 40 years ago when very few had that information. In those days, and probably until about 2000, you could make $ handicapping sports. I can't say the same thing now as I bet only a few games now and then for fun. I would think playing the freebies and bonuses on all the various wagering platform is the best way now unless you have the 40-50 years of knowledge and experience, and the time, that Redietz has.

Can you define handicapping? It seems like a silly request, but there is +EV sports betting that covers a variety of things that can be backed up with math and perhaps historical data, I'm a firm believer in that. And then there's handicapping. Handicapping is based on various things. What are those things? Obviously, it depends on the handicapper and the list is long. But perhaps someone can give me the top 5 most important things a handicapper looks for and how those things translate to +EV.

Axel-that is a good and difficult question to answer. My primary handicapping tool in those days was the inside info we received from trainers or others at the particular colleges. Beyond that it was the normal things like matchups, home/ away, some degree of historicals, and just years of experience analyzing games. I was not that much into line movements as we had to publish early in the week.
I am not one to rely on stats that have no reasoning behind them. For example, mickey or smoke or someone has thrown out there some stat about dogs of 3 or less (or something like that). I need a reason for that stat. Otherwise to me it is just a statistical anomaly like heads coming up 70 out of 100 times. That being said, i probably made my biggest scores fading the big 10 in the bowl games and march madness. There is some degree of reason behind that—they are always over rated.

Knowledge and experience were the keys. There was no internet and widely known stats.. you had to make your own. I do agree it is completely different now which is why i stick to horses. Plus, instead of -105, i get much higher odds.

Nowadays, are you beating horses straight up? Do you use computers to aid you in doing so?

I know at one-time horse bettors got back significant rebates and such. I don't know if that's still the case, but if you can't beat the ponies str8 up I have to imagine you can make a significant amount. I haven't ay clue how much time and effort goes into finding a good bet or how often one finds a good bet.

[AxelWolf]

Can you define handicapping? It seems like a silly request, but there is +EV sports betting that covers a variety of things that can be backed up with math and perhaps historical data, I'm a firm believer in that. And then there's handicapping. Handicapping is based on various things. What are those things? Obviously, it depends on the handicapper and the list is long. But perhaps someone can give me the top 5 most important things a handicapper looks for and how those things translate to +EV.

Axel-that is a good and difficult question to answer. My primary handicapping tool in those days was the inside info we received from trainers or others at the particular colleges. Beyond that it was the normal things like matchups, home/ away, some degree of historicals, and just years of experience analyzing games. I was not that much into line movements as we had to publish early in the week.
I am not one to rely on stats that have no reasoning behind them. For example, mickey or smoke or someone has thrown out there some stat about dogs of 3 or less (or something like that). I need a reason for that stat. Otherwise to me it is just a statistical anomaly like heads coming up 70 out of 100 times. That being said, i probably made my biggest scores fading the big 10 in the bowl games and march madness. There is some degree of reason behind that—they are always over rated.

Knowledge and experience were the keys. There was no internet and widely known stats.. you had to make your own. I do agree it is completely different now which is why i stick to horses. Plus, instead of -105, i get much higher odds.

Smoke put up some Shack stats that showed NFL away dogs covered 54% over the last 30 years. I think that is significant and can't be called a trend.

All NFL away dogs? Or is there some criteria within a point spread?

[kewlJ]

Smoke put up some Shack stats that showed NFL away dogs covered 54% over the last 30 years. I think that is significant and can't be called a trend.

Mickey, I have found this stat very interesting since I saw it a year or so ago. Actually the number I remember seeing involving Shack was away dogs of 4 points or less. This is only significant because the second most common margin of victory in the NFL is 3 points, so getting 3, 3.5, 4 points would all cover that margin. Makes me wonder if you only looked at the 3, 3.5, 4 spreads if that win percentages might not tick up a point or two to 55-56%?

This all makes common sense when you think about it because oddsmakers assign 3 points as a home field advantage, so for an underdog of 4 points or less, they are basically saying the two teamsare evenly matched. I will take the points in a toss up scenario.

But then this gets into just what is the home field advantage? Unlike baseball where field are different sizes and demensions, football is all the same 100 yards by 53 yards wide field. So fans are yelling and rooting against you rather than for you. Unlike a sport like basketball, the fans aren't really right on top of you, so I just don't know why it matters as much as it seems to. I think a lot of it is psychological. There is the aspect of home cooked meal and sleeping in your own bed, rather than a hotel, but players that play for a living (and even college players) should be so used to that, that it isn't an issue. I am not arguing the stats. Just find it odd that home field seems to matter as much as it does in football.

[AxelWolf]

Smoke put up some Shack stats that showed NFL away dogs covered 54% over the last 30 years. I think that is significant and can't be called a trend.

Mickey, I have found this stat very interesting since I saw it a year or so ago. Actually the number I remember seeing involving Shack was away dogs of 4 points or less. This is only significant because the second most common margin of victory in the NFL is 3 points, so getting 3, 3.5, 4 points would all cover that margin. Makes me wonder if you only looked at the 3, 3.5, 4 spreads if that win percentages might not tick up a point or two to 55-56%?

This all makes common sense when you think about it because oddsmakers assign 3 points as a home field advantage, so for an underdog of 4 points or less, they are basically saying the two teamsare evenly matched. I will take the points in a toss up scenario.

But then this gets into just what is the home field advantage? Unlike baseball where field are different sizes and demensions, football is all the same 100 yards by 53 yards wide field. So fans are yelling and rooting against you rather than for you. Unlike a sport like basketball, the fans aren't really right on top of you, so I just don't know why it matters as much as it seems to. I think a lot of it is psychological. There is the aspect of home cooked meal and sleeping in your own bed, rather than a hotel, but players that play for a living (and even college players) should be so used to that, that it isn't an issue. I am not arguing the stats. Just find it odd that home field seems to matter as much as it does in football.

I would love to know the average number of times this situation comes up per season. I would like to know the longest losing streak for this bet, and how many successful seasons vs non-successful seasons. I'm definitely going to use it in the upcoming NFL season when they ramp up the bonus offers.

[kewlJ]

I would love to know the average number of times this situation comes up per season. I would like to know the longest losing streak for this bet, and how many successful seasons vs non-successful seasons. I'm definitely going to use it in the upcoming NFL season when they ramp up the bonus offers.

yeah well here is another one concerning baseball. I believe the data is over 3 or 4 seasons, which is a smaller number, but baseball plays many more games so an equally large sample size. So the angle is that away underdog baseball teams playing division opponents, while losing more games than they win, have a fairly significant plus return on the money line.

Some of these money lines can be over +200, @ +220, +250 occasionally more, so you would only need the team to win probably somewhere close to 40%.

So guess what? Early results this year...dreadful!

[regnis]

Can you define handicapping? It seems like a silly request, but there is +EV sports betting that covers a variety of things that can be backed up with math and perhaps historical data, I'm a firm believer in that. And then there's handicapping. Handicapping is based on various things. What are those things? Obviously, it depends on the handicapper and the list is long. But perhaps someone can give me the top 5 most important things a handicapper looks for and how those things translate to +EV.

Axel-that is a good and difficult question to answer. My primary handicapping tool in those days was the inside info we received from trainers or others at the particular colleges. Beyond that it was the normal things like matchups, home/ away, some degree of historicals, and just years of experience analyzing games. I was not that much into line movements as we had to publish early in the week.
I am not one to rely on stats that have no reasoning behind them. For example, mickey or smoke or someone has thrown out there some stat about dogs of 3 or less (or something like that). I need a reason for that stat. Otherwise to me it is just a statistical anomaly like heads coming up 70 out of 100 times. That being said, i probably made my biggest scores fading the big 10 in the bowl games and march madness. There is some degree of reason behind that—they are always over rated.

Knowledge and experience were the keys. There was no internet and widely known stats.. you had to make your own. I do agree it is completely different now which is why i stick to horses. Plus, instead of -105, i get much higher odds.

Nowadays, are you beating horses straight up? Do you use computers to aid you in doing so?

I know at one-time horse bettors got back significant rebates and such. I don't know if that's still the case, but if you can't beat the ponies str8 up I have to imagine you can make a significant amount. I haven't ay clue how much time and effort goes into finding a good bet or how often one finds a good bet.

I am too old and too set in my ways to use computerized systems, but there are a great many of the younger handicappers that are using computerized systems and doing it well.
Yes i am highly profitable at it. Enough that for many periods of time i stopped practicing law.now i am doing both as my clients are dying and probate work is very profitable.
Years ago, i studied and read everything about breeding and became somewhat of an expert. I consulted with certain owners when they were acquiring yearlings. That was a huge advantage. But again today, the basics of breeding, at least at the one generation level of the sire, are readily available. I used to trace many generations back to northern dancer as there are various crosses with northern dancer that produce winners.
I have been playing the horses since was 12, and pretty much full time since college. So again, knowledge and experience.
I dont remember which thread i mentioned to ask redietz about my score at kentucky downs 2 years ago. 1.2 million in 5 days. Hard to lose that back at 3 to 5 thousand a day 4 days a week.
Yes— i get pretty good rebates although they keep shrinking them. Much more on the obscure tracks than the name brands. I have about 14,000 on account as of 3-31. It will go up in the summer when we have nore tracks and better racing.

[kewlJ]

I am too old and too set in my ways to use computerized systems, but there are a great many of the younger handicappers that are using computerized systems and doing it well.
Yes i am highly profitable at it. Enough that for many periods of time i stopped practicing law.now i am doing both as my clients are dying and probate work is very profitable.
Years ago, i studied and read everything about breeding and became somewhat of an expert. I consulted with certain owners when they were acquiring yearlings. That was a huge advantage. But again today, the basics of breeding, at least at the one generation level of the sire, are readily available. I used to trace many generations back to northern dancer as there are various crosses with northern dancer that produce winners.
I have been playing the horses since was 12, and pretty much full time since college. So again, knowledge and experience.
I dont remember which thread i mentioned to ask redietz about my score at kentucky downs 2 years ago. 1.2 million in 5 days. Hard to lose that back at 3 to 5 thousand a day 4 days a week.
Yes— i get pretty good rebates although they keep shrinking them. Much more on the obscure tracks than the name brands. I have about 14,000 on account as of 3-31. It will go up in the summer when we have nore tracks and better racing.

Back when I was in jr high and high school, my grandfather would take my to the track in Pa several times a year when I visited, so I developed a very minor interest in horseracing. I found a book at the library called My $50,000 year at the track by Andrew Beyers, who was the horseracing guy for I think the Washington Post at the time of the book, which was the 70's. Are you familiar with the book and story regnis? I know Beyers went on to developed the Beyers index. I think this was prior to that. And keep in mind $50,000 in the 70's.

So anyway the majority, like 90% of Mr Beyers $50,000 win came from a two week track bias at the opening of one of the Maryland tracks. Coming down the stretch the inside rail was rock hard and provided an advantage to the horse in that position. Now mind you, that didn't necessarily mean it was the 1 or 2 horse. It was whatever horse got to the top of the stretch in lead and got to the inside. It could be the 6 or 8 horse.

This was before computer analysis of course, but a computer analysis wouldn't even have picked this up because it was not the 1 or 2 horse, but the horse that got to that inside front position at the top of the stretch.

I think after two weeks it rained for a couple days and with all the work on the track, the bias was gone. Fun read though!

[regnis]

Kewl-i have read that book. His beyer numbers are still used in the racing form (although very unreliable as too much human input now. Cool that grampa used to take you.
Funny story. I would sneak out of high school and go to the track. My grandfather was basicly an invalid as he was born with a hole in his heart. He could barely get around with a cane. So i am walking thru the grandstand and i see grandpa. He had to walk and take 2 busses and a train to get to the track.he was a former bookie and had info on a horse named crack the whip. He wins at 40-1. We both made a good lick.
I get home and i see the concerned look on my parents faces. I ask whats the matter. They say pops disappeared. I cant tell them anything cause i blew off school and i didnt want to rat him out. Finally several hours later he got home.

Track bias is one of my main tools. That is why i used to call the track maintenance guy every morning.

[kewlJ]

Kewl-i have read that book. His beyer numbers are still used in the racing form (although very unreliable as too much human input now. Cool that grampa used to take you.
Funny story. I would sneak out of high school and go to the track. My grandfather was basicly an invalid as he was born with a hole in his heart. He could barely get around with a cane. So i am walking thru the grandstand and i see grandpa. He had to walk and take 2 busses and a train to get to the track.he was a former bookie and had info on a horse named crack the whip. He wins at 40-1. We both made a good lick.
I get home and i see the concerned look on my parents faces. I ask whats the matter. They say pops disappeared. I cant tell them anything cause i blew off school and i didnt want to rat him out. Finally several hours later he got home.

Track bias is one of my main tools. That is why i used to call the track maintenance guy every morning.

Good thing you didn't rat him out or monet would be calling you a rat.

That hole in the heart can be fixed now a days, for a much more normal quality of life than your grandfather probably experienced. It is a shame that wasn't the case back then. A lot of people don't know it but being born with a hole in the heart is actually a pretty common thing. Many times it will close on it's own during childhood. But if it doesn't surgery can fix it. I think they now can even do that with a much less invasive type surgery. (used to be open heart).