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  1. #21
    AndrewG would accept it, Mr Rob.

    Excellent reasoning Mr Kewlj.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    . But if you want to do some investigating, I bought it at Country Coach in Oregon in '12 or '13.
    What is the name, phone number or even website for the dealership?

    A quick google of country coach, reveals that it is a brand of RV, not a dealership, like Ford is a brand of car which many different dealerships sell. So what was the name of the dealership?

    By the way the only information I could find is that Country Coach RV in Eugene Oregon, filed for bankruptcy and closed in 2009. In 2011 they emerged from bankruptcy, on a much smaller scale, only providing parts and service for their products that were already on the market.

    I also see no RV's for sale any where close to the price range you are claiming. Please direct me to the proper location or website.

    Thank you.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I didn't care at all before who Andrew was. But now I do, I don't like being lied to for no reason, especially when I'm trying to do someone a favor. I apologize to Alan and wanted to bury the hatchet. Alan told me he was not Andrew, I don't even think I asked, he's the one that came out saying that he wasn't him. He didn't have to lie, he could have just not said anything about it. I sure hope Alan is telling the truth someone's just trying to make it look he is Alan.
    ------------------------------------------
    I asked Alan on the other Forum how he could possibly believe and Rob's video poker system when there's very few people that actually believe is any Merit to it actually working. Even if somehow Rob actually did make money due to some fluke side of variance, it's still not a valid system that can turn a profit for anyone else unless they just also happen to be on some fluke side of variance. His system should not be touted in any way shape or form by anyone, it should only be debunked as a long-term losing system and entertainment only.

    Rob said earlier about how Alan was using Singer for the benefit of his website. I believe that to be true. There's nothing wrong with trying to get some traffic to your website so you can make some money. However, don't think touting a bunk system it's too ethical. It will always leave me wondering if even Alan new deep down inside knew the system probably didn't work. I just can't fathom how anybody with any gambling experience can believe in such things. As a reporter you think one would be a little more stringent on what they would promote and require proof before promoting it.
    Axel, please stop being misled by others. Like it or not, I had a valid reason for purposely misleading readers during my DU years. No one, even you, has come up with a better plan overall, had it been you. And if you don't know that Andrew = Alan then I'll pay for your education if you want to go to UNLV once the next semester begins.

    There's plenty of people who understand that you don't absolutely require a 100% mathematically sound strategy to consistently win at vp. Like kew, you may not understand or want to understand it, but that's why humans were gifted with an enormously powerful computer system attached to their necks. And yes, some are better or MUCH more capable than others. You know which one I have.
    Rob, you can be completely telling the truth on everything and have proof, feed the hungry with all your money, and even be my best friend in the world, I still wouldn't give you a pass on misleading your readers. Hey you didn't need to keep up the gig here, over and over and over, I don't know why you had to keep up the rues with your readers either. You could have just avoided talking about all of that. There's like a billion other things in the gambling industry you could have discussed with everyone. What a great opportunity you had being hey columnist for today you could have done so much "good" with that. I really don't know the history about all that, perhaps they wanted Someone Like You who is controversial?

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Nonsense kew. Alan wouldn't accept it as a broken down failed gambler and neither would you, with nothing to lose but more sleep over me. Neither of you could even handle my $120k win. But if you want to do some investigating, I bought it at Country Coach in Oregon in '12 or '13.

    All you two idiots will end up doing is get more jealous and angry as time goes on. I'll take that.
    And there is your answer. More excuses, deflections and name calling.
    You were asked multiple times to post PROOF of your accusations of welfare and food stamps, and related fraud.

    Post that, then I'll post the title and bill of sale.

    Junction City, Oregon

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Nonsense kew. Alan wouldn't accept it as a broken down failed gambler and neither would you, with nothing to lose but more sleep over me. Neither of you could even handle my $120k win. But if you want to do some investigating, I bought it at Country Coach in Oregon in '12 or '13.

    All you two idiots will end up doing is get more jealous and angry as time goes on. I'll take that.
    And there is your answer. More excuses, deflections and name calling.
    You were asked multiple times to post PROOF of your accusations of welfare and food stamps, and related fraud.

    Post that, then I'll post the title and bill of sale.

    Junction City, Oregon
    Mr Singer I don't know anything about these other allegations but if Mr Kewlj says he can't post anything about them, will you post your title and bill of sale or similar proof?

    Thank you.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    And there is your answer. More excuses, deflections and name calling.
    You were asked multiple times to post PROOF of your accusations of welfare and food stamps, and related fraud.

    Post that, then I'll post the title and bill of sale.

    Junction City, Oregon
    Mr Singer I don't know anything about these other allegations but if Mr Kewlj says he can't post anything about them, will you post your title and bill of sale or similar proof?

    Thank you.
    Andrew, Alan Mendelson wants you to join WoV and post in the Singer thread. He told me so.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    You were asked multiple times to post PROOF of your accusations of welfare and food stamps, and related fraud.

    Post that, then I'll post the title and bill of sale.

    Junction City, Oregon
    For the hundredth time, I have no proof of that you were penalized and disqualified by the food stamp program. I saw it online only. I didn't print it out, nor download it. And at a later time, It was no longer there. That is all I can say. I don't know how or why? Also, this was in regards to foodstamps. I never saw anything about welfare or suggested welfare fraud. I don't know anything about that. Were you on welfare as well at that time? Is that what you are indicating?

    More importantly none of that matters right now. This isn't a re-hash of everything any one of us has ever said. This is about one thing and one thing only. A claim that would be among the biggest stories in the gambling/AP community....EVER. You have repeatedly refused to provide anything but excuses as to why you can't prove anything. There is no excuse now. Put up or shut up Rob, so we can all move on. Failure to do also pretty much ends it as well.

    In that case, I will just say good luck with your continuing 20-year troll of the AP/gambling community. I hope it brings you whatever it is that you are seeking.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    You were asked multiple times to post PROOF of your accusations of welfare and food stamps, and related fraud.

    Post that, then I'll post the title and bill of sale.

    Junction City, Oregon
    For the hundredth time, I have no proof of that you were penalized and disqualified by the food stamp program. I saw it online only. I didn't print it out, nor download it. And at a later time, It was no longer there. That is all I can say. I don't know how or why? Also, this was in regards to foodstamps. I never saw anything about welfare or suggested welfare fraud. I don't know anything about that. Were you on welfare as well at that time? Is that what you are indicating?

    More importantly none of that matters right now. This isn't a re-hash of every thing any one of us has ever said. This is about one thing and one thing only. A claim that would be among the biggest stories in the gambling/AP community....EVER. You have repeatedly refused to provide anything but excuses as to why you can't prove anything. There is no excuse now. Put up or shut up Rob, so we can all move on. Failure to do also pretty much ends it as well.

    In that case, I will just say good luck with your continuing 20-year troll of the AP/gambling community. I hope it brings you whatever it is that you are seeking.
    It's not the big story you say it would be, KJ. The story was offered to GWAE but Dancer isn't going to do anything that would promote Rob. Same with Jean Scott. Plus it's a story of something that happened a long time ago. It's something that people read then just forget about it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    You were asked multiple times to post PROOF of your accusations of welfare and food stamps, and related fraud.

    Post that, then I'll post the title and bill of sale.

    Junction City, Oregon
    For the hundredth time, I have no proof of that you were penalized and disqualified by the food stamp program. I saw it online only. I didn't print it out, nor download it. And at a later time, It was no longer there. That is all I can say. I don't know how or why? Also, this was in regards to foodstamps. I never saw anything about welfare or suggested welfare fraud. I don't know anything about that. Were you on welfare as well at that time? Is that what you are indicating?

    More importantly none of that matters right now. This isn't a re-hash of everything any one of us has ever said. This is about one thing and one thing only. A claim that would be among the biggest stories in the gambling/AP community....EVER. You have repeatedly refused to provide anything but excuses as to why you can't prove anything. There is no excuse now. Put up or shut up Rob, so we can all move on. Failure to do also pretty much ends it as well.

    In that case, I will just say good luck with your continuing 20-year troll of the AP/gambling community. I hope it brings you whatever it is that you are seeking.
    Yet you continue to lie about seeing what to someone like you would be a must-keep item.

    Produce....or die.

    Those are the terms.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    This isn't that difficult. Rob Singer has made a rather extraordinary claim, that he discovered and played the double up bug to the tune of 2.8 million dollars, for 5 years before Nester and Kane got busted. Again, this is an extraordinary claim. It would be one of the biggest stories in the AP/Gambling community EVER. And Rob would be a rockstar and deservedly so.
    Kj, I’m struggling with why you think this would be the biggest story EVER in the AP/gambling community. I mean half the people on Blackjack Apprenticeship claim to make a least this amount of money per year and more.

    Joe and Yoshi claimed to make over a million dollars their first year counting cards. And ZenKing has rightfully doubted their story. These two were even on GWAE making these claims.

    There’s other card counters on GWAE that rountinly make these type of claims. When I questioned their story, you’ve said you believe their claims even though you make a fraction of that amount. And you’ve never asked for proof. You just believe!

    Rob making about $500,000 per year in gambling is a nice story, but this would not qualify it as the biggest story EVER.

    Just curious why you think it’s such a big deal, and why you don’t believe it, and believe other people who I think tell stories that are much harder to believe?

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    You were asked multiple times to post PROOF of your accusations of welfare and food stamps, and related fraud.

    Post that, then I'll post the title and bill of sale.

    Junction City, Oregon
    Mr Singer I don't know anything about these other allegations but if Mr Kewlj says he can't post anything about them, will you post your title and bill of sale or similar proof?

    Thank you.
    Andrew, Alan Mendelson wants you to join WoV and post in the Singer thread. He told me so.
    Wizard's waiting for him also. He heard of his stellar reputation over here and he wants fresh talent to join in the discussion, esp. after the interview.

  12. #32
    Mr Bob21 this story is Hollywood material. Did you read the Wired article? This is so much more. This five years of beating IGT and multiple casinos and avoiding detection unlike Kane and Nestor. This is selling book and movie rights for millions and millions more than the $2.8-million.

    And this isn't an MIT team story -- this is one SUPER GOD player who destroyed Vegas.

    Mr Singer should be running to agents in Beverly Hills instead of taking a road trip to the Dakotas.

    Who is the loser here?

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    You were asked multiple times to post PROOF of your accusations of welfare and food stamps, and related fraud.

    Post that, then I'll post the title and bill of sale.

    Junction City, Oregon
    Mr Singer I don't know anything about these other allegations but if Mr Kewlj says he can't post anything about them, will you post your title and bill of sale or similar proof?

    Thank you.
    Andrew, Alan Mendelson wants you to join WoV and post in the Singer thread. He told me so.
    Damn it, why does MC get all of the good PM's. I have been waiting to hear this request. Frankly, I am disappointed that AxelWolf was not the first to report this. It's time to light the cigar, put on the raincoat, and check the other website.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    It's not the big story you say it would be, KJ. The story was offered to GWAE but Dancer isn't going to do anything that would promote Rob. Same with Jean Scott. Plus it's a story of something that happened a long time ago. It's something that people read then just forget about it.
    I suppose Dancer and Jean Scott have reason not to want to have anything to do with Rob. That is what happens when you act like Rob has for 20 years. But even so, they are both wrong for not being the bigger person and take the high road. BUT only is Rob can show something supporting his claim. His word is worthless.

    Look, I am going to be honest. I don't like Rob, or at least the online character/persona that he has played. The things he has said about me and particularly about my partner, were hurtful and there is just no place for that in a civilized world among mature reasonable people. Internet forums are not an excuse to spew hate like Adolph Hitler. But that said, if Rob's claim turns out to be true, I will congratulate him and even on some level be happy for him. The only jealousy I would have towards Rob would be that I would be jealous that he had an opportunity to really enjoy retirement and the sunset years of his life, that most people can only dream of and instead of doing so, he wasted years on a freaking forum trolling the gambling community. More disgust that he wasted such an opportunity than jealousy.

    But none of that matters. We are down to one final thing. Rob has a chance to prove his claim, simply by showing the documentation requested that he should have. All these excuses of throwing away tax and casino documentation don't work here. So lets just do this and end it one way or another. Choosing to just continue on with the 20-year troll of the community is just as much a definitive outcome as showing the supporting evidence. No more deflects. Time to put up or shut up.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I didn't care at all before who Andrew was. But now I do, I don't like being lied to for no reason, especially when I'm trying to do someone a favor. I apologize to Alan and wanted to bury the hatchet. Alan told me he was not Andrew, I don't even think I asked, he's the one that came out saying that he wasn't him. He didn't have to lie, he could have just not said anything about it. I sure hope Alan is telling the truth someone's just trying to make it look he is Alan.
    ------------------------------------------
    I asked Alan on the other Forum how he could possibly believe and Rob's video poker system when there's very few people that actually believe is any Merit to it actually working. Even if somehow Rob actually did make money due to some fluke side of variance, it's still not a valid system that can turn a profit for anyone else unless they just also happen to be on some fluke side of variance. His system should not be touted in any way shape or form by anyone, it should only be debunked as a long-term losing system and entertainment only.

    Rob said earlier about how Alan was using Singer for the benefit of his website. I believe that to be true. There's nothing wrong with trying to get some traffic to your website so you can make some money. However, don't think touting a bunk system it's too ethical. It will always leave me wondering if even Alan new deep down inside knew the system probably didn't work. I just can't fathom how anybody with any gambling experience can believe in such things. As a reporter you think one would be a little more stringent on what they would promote and require proof before promoting it.
    Axel, please stop being misled by others. Like it or not, I had a valid reason for purposely misleading readers during my DU years. No one, even you, has come up with a better plan overall, had it been you. And if you don't know that Andrew = Alan then I'll pay for your education if you want to go to UNLV once the next semester begins.

    There's plenty of people who understand that you don't absolutely require a 100% mathematically sound strategy to consistently win at vp. Like kew, you may not understand or want to understand it, but that's why humans were gifted with an enormously powerful computer system attached to their necks. And yes, some are better or MUCH more capable than others. You know which one I have.
    Rob, you can be completely telling the truth on everything and have proof, feed the hungry with all your money, and even be my best friend in the world, I still wouldn't give you a pass on misleading your readers. Hey you didn't need to keep up the gig here, over and over and over, I don't know why you had to keep up the rues with your readers either. You could have just avoided talking about all of that. There's like a billion other things in the gambling industry you could have discussed with everyone. What a great opportunity you had being hey columnist for today you could have done so much "good" with that. I really don't know the history about all that, perhaps they wanted Someone Like You who is controversial?
    I understand your point better now.

    I seem to have a bit of a problem conveying the overall issues I was facing in real-time thru forum posts, and I hope I get the opportunity to improve upon that part with the upcoming interview.

    During the play I wrote a VERY popular weekly column, I posted on forums, appeared on TV shows, had two books published, and was interviewed by ESPN radio and a few others. Everything I said up until the DU discovery was based on the train of thought I put together during my first four years.

    Then suddenly the shock of finding that play hit. Joy, fear, anxiety and satisfaction--all at once. It would've wrecked a weaker will. You saw what it did to the two idiots. And at the same time I had to strategize because I had no idea if I were the only one who knew about it, I knew nothing about which class or era the working machines came from and many machines didn't cooperate, and I didn't want to get caught. It was a lot of pressure.

    At the same time, I had responsibilities to my family, my readers, and even my critics. I really wanted no other disruptions so I could concentrate on the goose with the golden eggs. As such, I felt the best way forward was to keep the storeyline going, everywhere. I never felt good about that part because it was lying to EVERYBODY. But to me it was necessary to continue on with it up until they got busted, and it was necessary for the next ten years right thru to the time I talked to you because I know enough to keep my mouth shut for long periods of time when required.

    That's all I can say about it. People felt deceived--even people I criticized. But I would do it that way again if I had the chance.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    Mr Bob21 this story is Hollywood material. Did you read the Wired article? This is so much more. This five years of beating IGT and multiple casinos and avoiding detection unlike Kane and Nestor. This is selling book and movie rights for millions and millions more than the $2.8-million.

    And this isn't an MIT team story -- this is one SUPER GOD player who destroyed Vegas.

    Mr Singer should be running to agents in Beverly Hills instead of taking a road trip to the Dakotas.

    Who is the loser here?
    Yes, I did read the Wire article very extensively. I struggled with Rob’s story, mostly because it lined up to perfectly with the article. What do I mean by that? Rob said he discovered the bug almost the year IGT mistakenly put it in the machine through a software “upgrade”. This was all in the article.

    Rob said he had been looking for a “bug or something like a bug”. Well the 20 years before this upgrade, this game had no “bugs” or things that looked like bugs in it. After a while wouldn’t you think someone would quit looking for a bug. What’s the odds of looking for “bugs” the year one gets put in a machine? And discovered by a real life “bug” hunter.

    After I read the wired story, it sounded like about the only way someone would find this bug is if you’re half drunk just randomly pushing buttons, after you win. Kind of like what Kane and Nester did. Even the IGT tech guy who was very experienced and watched the video of how these two happened on the bug, couldn’t reproduce it, until he brought the game back to the shop.

    Also, this bug could easily be exploited without having to win hand jackpots, so I thought $2.8 MM wasn’t very much in a six year period. I mean these machines were everywhere. A smart person should have been able to extract at least that amount in a year.

    Now I get you shouldn’t pull a Kane and Nester and tell everybody in three state surrounding yours about it, and then bring your family, and six of their closest friends with you to a casino and try to take a half million in a day. That probably isn’t going to work. Lol

    Anyway, it was a very interesting story. And if Rob did it or not, it really doesn’t impact me, but it does make for an interesting forum.
    Last edited by Bob21; 05-01-2020 at 05:28 PM.

  17. #37
    Just curious. On your very last article, "Whats wrong with a positive progression", you had your sights set on a third book. What changed that? Of course, myself- winning like that WOULD kinda kill the desire to even start a book.

  18. #38
    As soon as Mr slingshot shows up asking about a third book we know there will never be proof. It's over. Mr Singer I would say you won because your diversions, personal attacks, and allegations worked. But in reality you lost everything: you're done.

    Really. You're done.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by AndrewG View Post
    As soon as Mr slingshot shows up asking about a third book we know there will never be proof. It's over. Mr Singer I would say you won because your diversions, personal attacks, and allegations worked. But in reality you lost everything: you're done.

    Really. You're done.
    Why do you say that Alan? What does slingshot asking about a book have to do with getting your proof?

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    a claim of this magnitude requires a little something more than just a persons say so.
    The consensus here is that your claims are of a magnitude that requires the same level of proof as Singers.

    When will you be providing something more than your say so?

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Rob's supporters and enablers like Mickeycrimm and coach belly
    You've claimed to have viewed and have access to embarrassing information about Rob Singer.

    I have suggested that you post the info, as your claims about Singer requires more proof than your say so.

    How does my request that you post embarrassing info about Singer in any way make me his enabler or supporter?

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