Direction of this forum

[MisterV]

I don't know, Mr. V. When he claimed he saw it happen, my immediate conclusion was that somehow rigged dice had been (probably accidentally) inserted into the game. To me, that was the most likely scenario. While highly improbable, it was certainly one of those one in a thousand screw-ups that could have happened. It's not like rigged dice don't exist. And it's not like management doesn't have access to them. So that's where my head went -- partly because Mr. Mendelson was so damn adamant, and I knew it was impossible.

I discounted the possibility of gaffed bones when alan posted that the crew checked the dice a few times to verify they weren't gaffed.

Perhaps he dreamed it, and due to health reasons he can not always differentiate between dreams and reality?

Help me out here, I'd like to come up with a plausible explanation other than "the guy is lying through his teeth."

[mickeycrimm]

It's surprising that I have to remind you, but if it's mathematically possible within the parameters of the numbers available to us in calculations, then it CAN happen. What the wizard did was the calculation. It produced a real number. The rest is speculation. And it is based upon hate, jealousy, and people who claim to be math geniuses over there showing how they only believe what they see for themselves--while ignoring what the math truly says.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...tGjlkm58cMJjD0

[redietz]

I don't know, Mr. V. When he claimed he saw it happen, my immediate conclusion was that somehow rigged dice had been (probably accidentally) inserted into the game. To me, that was the most likely scenario. While highly improbable, it was certainly one of those one in a thousand screw-ups that could have happened. It's not like rigged dice don't exist. And it's not like management doesn't have access to them. So that's where my head went -- partly because Mr. Mendelson was so damn adamant, and I knew it was impossible.

I discounted the possibility of gaffed bones when alan posted that the crew checked the dice a few times to verify they weren't gaffed.

Perhaps he dreamed it, and due to health reasons he can not always differentiate between dreams and reality?

Help me out here, I'd like to come up with a plausible explanation other than "the guy is lying through his teeth."

If the crew accidentally inserted rigged dice, then they would certainly "check" them a few times to make sure they weren't, for the sake of players who would flip if the crew just took the dice away.

Mr. Mendelson, I think, has transmogrified over the years. If he didn't have his reputation from his youth, people would just assume he was making stuff up or something not quite so honorable.

[Rob.Singer]

I see red. When something Alan or I make a claim and you disagree, it's "they're lying" or "they're sick". But when YOU make claims and we don't believe you, it's US who are lying or sick again.

Exactly why the libtards are all so messed up over their disbelief that Hillary lost the election.

[LarryS]

It's surprising that I have to remind you, but if it's mathematically possible within the parameters of the numbers available to us in calculations, then it CAN happen. What the wizard did was the calculation. It produced a real number. The rest is speculation. And it is based upon hate, jealousy, and people who claim to be math geniuses over there showing how they only believe what they see for themselves--while ignoring what the math truly says.

Not only is the math astronomical...but the human nature aspect of it is equally if not more astronomical.

What are the chances combined that someone can witness 18 yos in a row.....AND...not even bet on it once. At an almost empty table where he doesnt have to squeeze in.

and the answer is "I dont bet horn bets"

that is not believable........but then again the event never happened so I wouldnt expect him to have broken his "set in stone" method of never betting horn bets.

[redietz]

I see red. When something Alan or I make a claim and you disagree, it's "they're lying" or "they're sick". But when YOU make claims and we don't believe you, it's US who are lying or sick again.

Exactly why the libtards are all so messed up over their disbelief that Hillary lost the election.

Another non sequitur. Please try to stay on topic.

I don't recall saying Mr. Mendelson didn't see 16-18 in a row. Perhaps you could correct me on that. I am saying he didn't see it without rigged dice or another explanation. I'm sure someone can work out the math for what I would have to say to have an equivalent improbability. If I said, for example, that I went 99-1 against the spread, I would expect people to roll their eyes.

[MisterV]

I can see no merit whatsoever to suspecting that the crew introduced gaffed dice.

Why would they, what would be in it for them?

The only thing that would have given them a profit would be to have a confederate make big bets on the yo, and to collect every time it hit.

No bets were made on yo by anyone, so that dog just won't hunt.

No, the crew were not in on it; had it in fact happened one would suspect word of it would have gotten out and been reported by a real reporter.

[redietz]

I can see no merit whatsoever to suspecting that the crew introduced gaffed dice.

Why would they, what would be in it for them?

The only thing that would have given them a profit would be to have a confederate make big bets on the yo, and to collect every time it hit.

No bets were made on yo by anyone, so that dog just won't hunt.

No, the crew were not in on it; had it in fact happened one would suspect word of it would have gotten out and been reported by a real reporter.

My initial take, as I wrote, was that it if it was rigged dice, it was most likely an ACCIDENTAL insertion of those dice. Had it in fact happened, no, it isn't likely word would have gotten out. The casino would have kept their mouths shut, obviously, to avoid any scrutiny or embarrassment, and the tapes would have been erased post haste.

Yes, it's certainly possible, even probable, Mr. Mendelson was fibbing. But if he wasn't, the next most likely candidate is accidental insertion of dice that are saved for special occasions, with this not being one of them. The crew would not have known the dice were rigged going into it. They would have thought they were normal dice.

I'm not into proclamations -- you and Larry can do the proclamating (note to Bill Yung -- not a word). I'm just saying that rigged dice exist, and it's not a mortal lock that Mr. Mendelson was telling tall tales.

[Bill Yung]

Didn't Mendelson make other seemingly far-fetched gambling claims? In particular, about having witnessed roulette dealers spin winning numbers at will. To Alan, DI means that someone could throw as many yo's as wanted; and versa? To him, all of these things happen whether he is physically present or not, and, so, he is there in some (non-)sense regardless.

[Ozzy]

Let's not forget his son hitting 4 royals in one day and still a net LOSER!!

[Ozzy]

One of his many wives or short term flings, getting almost back to back DEALT royals within a few hands, being a complete video poker newbie!! Many others the list goes on and on.

[LarryS]

What about the other handful of players at the table. Does 5 or 6 of ANYTHING in a row prompt one to take a flyer and bet the repeated number. Isnt it human nature. Or were robots standing at the table waiting for a point to be established after 18 rolls of the same number before they bet.

someone should have been making a shitload of money...even f they waited for 8-10 yos to roll before they got up enough nerve to but a lousey 5 dollars on yo.

the whole story stinks....it doesnt meet the math test....and it certainly doesnt meet the human nature test.

And if someone smart started to make money hand over fist over this "happening"......the dice would have been changed,..or at least the dish of dice would havve been emptied in front of the shooter and mixed around.

but it was just your everyday 18 yos in a row where nobody bet.

along with the theory of loaded dice I will suggest

1- the dice were hypnotized
2- the evil demon azazel temporarily left the body of the cat and entered the dice
3-the Syrian god of screwing with Jews put alan in a trance making him think he saw what he claims.
4- it was 3x points day so everything alan saw was multiplied by 3(assuming he really saw 6 in a row)
5-Heroin doesnt mix well with anti-rejection meds
6-he got turned down by 18 ho's in a row, and just slightly changed the story.
7=a zulu blow dart to his neck from accross the casino, paralyzed him so he could only watch, helpless to make a bet
8-there was a cute guy at the table and he was a little shy to approach
9- the stickman was wearing a swastika armband so he stayed safe distance and watched instead of betting
19-He had a strong feeling that the zombie resurrection was coming, and didnt think he would have time to color up and cash out.

and then
11- loaded dice (bwaaaaahaaaahaaaahaaa)..this one is the least probable

[Rob.Singer]

Larry, answer me this: I've never played craps. But why would any bettor upon seeing a dozen similar rolls in a row, be inclined to bet that it will happen on the next roll? I certainly wouldn't. Don't the people playing have their own betting choices in their heads, and know a past throw or throws of the dice has/have nothing to do with the next one or ones?

[MisterV]

Gotta be door #6.

[LarryS]

Larry, answer me this: I've never played craps. But why would any bettor upon seeing a dozen similar rolls in a row, be inclined to bet that it will happen on the next roll? I certainly wouldn't. Don't the people playing have their own betting choices in their heads, and know a past throw or throws of the dice has/have nothing to do with the next one or ones?

we are talking about human nature of something extreme happening. I agree when playing craps if you bet everytime a number showed up 2 times in a row..and figured that you would bet it because it had a better chance of happening a third time....that person is an idiot.

But when you see an event occur 5-6-7-8 times in a row......why not place a red chip and see where that takes you. A single fucking red chip parlayed for 3 rolls is 16k parlayed...for just 2 rolls is 1125 parlayed.
If you recognize a trend and it costs you very little....why not gamble1 percent of your bankroll(considering you started with 500) to see where it takes you.

You are the one that diverges from math, and tries for the big win. So who are you to question that type of behavior. Putting a single 5 dollar chip on a repeating bet..that is repeating in an unbelievable manner...that is repeating in a manner in which you have never seen in your lifetime.

Its human nature.

Just like its human nature to scurry to pick up 50 dollar bills that rain down from the sky.....its what people do. And if someone sees at a gambling table 15-1 rain down from the sky massively.....normal people will grab for it.

[LarryS]

Larry, answer me this: I've never played craps. But why would any bettor upon seeing a dozen similar rolls in a row, be inclined to bet that it will happen on the next roll? I certainly wouldn't. Don't the people playing have their own betting choices in their heads, and know a past throw or throws of the dice has/have nothing to do with the next one or ones?

did you ever see a craps table where a shooter was having a massively long roll ....and there is cheering, and before you know it the table is packed, with SRO waiting to join, hoping there is a space that opens(as if anyone would leave)......people pushing in to play even though as yu say "the last roll doesnt guarantee the next result"...yet this is the natural way gamblers behave.

And gamblers watching this amazing result of 18 in a row, didnt reacvh for a single nickle to try to make some money

[mickeycrimm]

Larry, answer me this: I've never played craps. But why would any bettor upon seeing a dozen similar rolls in a row, be inclined to bet that it will happen on the next roll? I certainly wouldn't. Don't the people playing have their own betting choices in their heads, and know a past throw or throws of the dice has/have nothing to do with the next one or ones?

There are two trains of thought with amateur gamblers.

1.Player A says black hasn't come up in 7 rolls, it's due to hit. I'm betting black.

2. Player B says Red is hot, it's landed 7 times in a row, i'm betting red.

Which one is right?

It's the same with hot and cold "cycles" at video poker.

[dannyj]

I do play craps and I agree with Larry that there is no way players are just going to stand there and not throw a nickel on the yo or at least the horn.

I don’t remember if this happening occurred on the come out or not, but I would have been compelled to bet by the 3rd or 4th yo, earlier if it was the comeout.

Larry: I like #7

I believe that Alan believes he saw them.

[Alan Mendelson]

Didn't Mendelson make other seemingly far-fetched gambling claims? In particular, about having witnessed roulette dealers spin winning numbers at will. To Alan, DI means that someone could throw as many yo's as wanted; and versa? To him, all of these things happen whether he is physically present or not, and, so, he is there in some (non-)sense regardless.

This one I will respond to. I was invited to a demonstration in which a casino dealer successfully targeted four adjacent "slots" (I don't know the correct name) on a roulette wheel on demand.

Regarding Jason: it was five $4,000 royals in 24 hours and he has the W2Gs which he is able to show... if the price is right. Did he lose money? Yes, because he hit the royals at $1 VP and then moved up to $5 VP where he lost it. The cycle repeated over and over. Shit happens.

How much to see the official W2Gs and we'll even show you at the casinos (Caesars and Gold Strike) so they can confirm they're legitimate.

[Alan Mendelson]

One of his many wives or short term flings, getting almost back to back DEALT royals within a few hands, being a complete video poker newbie!! Many others the list goes on and on.

Careful. The photos were posted here on the forum and there are time stamps.