Yeah, ddbp is my favorite,too. I usually wait until i hit a good quad w/kicker, and THEN give the tdbp a shot for about $50.Originally Posted by regnis
Yeah, ddbp is my favorite,too. I usually wait until i hit a good quad w/kicker, and THEN give the tdbp a shot for about $50.Originally Posted by regnis
Not mine, but this is from a student I was training.
Aces--the Singer way!
Last edited by Rob.Singer; 07-06-2013 at 10:15 AM.
I gave up a few days of play in order to train a friend of mine who is in town until this afternoon. Yesterday you saw him make a profit of around $2700 on a 5-level ARTT as he played with his money and I advised.
TODAY, however, was A DIFFERENT STORY! I played while he observed. I played a simple 25c/50c/$1 RTT, and with a hundred bucks left I hit this beauty. Yes another royal Mr. Spock, and yes I continue to win on -EV machines redietz, just as I always have. See that 9/5 ddbp pay table? Gotta love it, because we both beat the thing. But the most important part of the training sessions was TO QUIT AS SOON AS THE WIN GOAL WAS ATTAINED, and that's exactly what was done both days. Now an AP "expert" playing on a 10/6 ddbp machine.....there's a story waiting to be told. Most of the time they'd stay at the machine and play right thru the big winners, then visit the ATM. After all, how can anyone leave a machine that's serving up a positive expectation hour after hour?
I could write a book about how to win consistently, overall, and without playing long hours.....
Well, I've completed my day or two of play this afternoon, and thanks to setting win (& loss) goals that initial $1600 loss I reported the other day not only evaporated quickly--it turned into more nice profiting. I included the "smaller" win of $1250 because it represented a session-ending win & it surpassed my win goal of $250.
Final tally: I played four sessions total. I lost the $1600 on the first one, and notice how I had no trouble reporting a loss even when I had no idea if I was going to win afterwards. Compare that to arci always coming on after being criticized, and saying how he had a "terrible run" or he "lost four weeks in a row" or he "went umpteen million hands without a royal"....but he has ALWAYS caveated those losses and bad runs by claiming "all is well though and the math came thru as expected, because I have now recovered all losses and am even ahead a few thousand". So just try to IMAGINE him or any of his ilk EVER saying they were behind as they speak!
The final 3 sessions, from today, show a $4000 royal for a session profit of $3600; a $1250 dealt quad for a session profit of $375; and $2000 quad Aces for a session profit of $1700. So how much did I make in less than THREE hours and four sessions of play? $4075, that's how much, and it was ALL on NEGATIVE EV GAMES!! The beat(ing) goes on.
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Last edited by Rob.Singer; 07-07-2013 at 05:16 PM.
Just curious-you stayed on the same machine or changed? Thanks.Originally Posted by Rob.SingerI gave up a few days of play in order to train a friend of mine who is in town until this afternoon. Yesterday you saw him make a profit of around $2700 on a 5-level ARTT as he played with his money and I advised.
TODAY, however, was A DIFFERENT STORY! I played while he observed. I played a simple 25c/50c/$1 RTT, and with a hundred bucks left I hit this beauty. Yes another royal Mr. Spock, and yes I continue to win on -EV machines redietz, just as I always have. See that 9/5 ddbp pay table? Gotta love it, because we both beat the thing. But the most important part of the training sessions was TO QUIT AS SOON AS THE WIN GOAL WAS ATTAINED, and that's exactly what was done both days. Now an AP "expert" playing on a 10/6 ddbp machine.....there's a story waiting to be told. Most of the time they'd stay at the machine and play right thru the big winners, then visit the ATM. After all, how can anyone leave a machine that's serving up a positive expectation hour after hour?
I could write a book about how to win consistently, overall, and without playing long hours.....
Rob, congratulations on the wins. I think it would be appropriate if you explained the specifics of the hand. Were these "conventional plays" or "special plays"? I am going to guess that these were conventional plays and I think that reinforces your overall strategy. And that is: special plays are used only a small percentage of the time when you are "stuck" and for the most part you play the same conventional strategy that the experts follow.
Good morning everyone....ain't it another GREAT day!?Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Before I answer a few questions and make a few comments, how's THIS for an astute observation: the genius/expert AP's in the crowd always rush over here to view pics of my wins--and even though they'll keep claiming they don't care because they most certainly do--isn't it interesting how they find themselves absolutely speechless in the face of -EV reality! I just hope they have enough clothesline to hang up all their weeping theory to dry out.
Sling, all of these wins, including my friend's $4000 Aces on $5 DDBP, were on the SAME machine. That's about $7400 net profit from playing -EV video poker....which is basically the same thing I've always done since dropping that AP curse. It's a shining example of playing a machine that's operating in a hot cycle. Critics & others may now be asking why I don't just run over there and keep playing if it's so hot., but the answer is quite simple. Greed kills winning, and because I said I wouldn't play again for 3-4 weeks and discipline is just as much a part of my consistent winning approach as any of the other parts, I'll spend my time being thrilled with these wins instead of possibly beating my head against the wall for not stopping when I should have. Sound familiar anyone?
Alan, the wins were all part of optimal play strategy. But I'm sure you noticed the most interesting part of this. Most of the damage was done on a 9/5 ddbp pay table, and ALL of it was done on -EV games. And, while there are some misled souls who claim quitting while ahead because of pre-determined win goals makes no difference and you will LOSE if you play a lot of these games,....well, gee how fun watching all that meaningless theory get shoved out the same window I've always dumped it thru.
Time for a little reality check here: When you get a royal flush it's all of matter of being in the right place, at the right time. It doesn't matter if you are playing a positive expectation game or a negative expectation game. In fact, it doesn't matter what game you are on -- Jacks, or Bonus, or double double, or triple double or deuces. If the cards are "right" and you push the button at the right time, you'll get it.
100% correct. The same for many, but not all, of my other winners I've hit over the years. Quite a few were the result of the special plays.
Just had Royal #7 at Rincon early this morning -- a 25-center playing Aces and Faces. I had $240 of free play which I lost on dollars, and so I took $40 out of my wallet just to play a little more but at 25-cents. Hit quad aces a few hands before the royal.
Here's my tally so far for the year:
$5 Royals (2) one at Caesars, one at Rincon
$2 Royal (1) Caesars
$1 Royal (2) Rincon
25-cent Royal (2) Rincon
A nice one card draw -- they all are! Let's see....I know you're quite a bit ahead this year, I know I'm ahead by a LOT like I have been for over a dozen years on -EV machines for the most part. Do you think the math, like arci & redietz, is mad at us and is determined to grab all those profits back and more? I mean, there is absolutely NO WAY to beat these games in the "long term", right?
I'm not sure I am going to be ahead for the year. If this royal had been on a $5 or $2 game it would have made a real difference in the bottom line. But if was on a 25-cent machine. The good news is that I only had $40 of my own money in the machine. I got a hand pay which was a pain. I did not tip. I think it's ridiculous to have to tip for a "pay" that does not require any paperwork. Also, on some other machines/games if there is a payoff of $1,000 it also requires a handpay, such as a five play game winning $200 on each line.
Two comments: You are not sure you'll be ahead by year's end. I'm sure I will be, and there's an 80% chance I'll be ahead by even more than I am now. (For exact numbers, please consult Spock...I mean, arci). So my question to you Alan is, understanding that I've done consistently well with my RTT & ARTT strategies that utilize, as an important part, win and loss goal-setting, just ask me to meet with you and seriously train you on those and you'll no longer have to be thinking about IF you'll be ahead at the end of each year. Your only question will be by how much.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
As for being intimidated into tipping for every handpay regardless if there's a tax form involved, why do you put yourself thru that? I NEVER tip, never have since 1996, and I never have any problems anywhere. Making believe it's your responsibility to ensure the casino employees have a good wage as a justification for doing something so totally stupid as tipping on handpays, only takes YOUR money away from YOU. How much have you squandered away in handpay tips in your life? I've saved at least $20,000.
Rob, playing video poker is not a business. I think it's impossible for anyone to forecast what their bottom line will be at the end of the year unless they quit playing after a big win and end the year at that point.
No matter what strategy you follow, it all depends on the luck of the cards -- the RNG. This is not like a business where you can forecast sales and production and costs.
Every royal flush you get could be the last one for a long, long time -- and don't forget that. Every quad you get could be the last one for a long time. You just don't know.
I wouldn't try forecasting anything in video poker, Rob.
Sounds as if someone's win goals and loss limits haven't been holding up their end.
So who's the video poker expert here, Alan or Rob? Rob offers to coach Alan, and Alan offers advice in return, but doesn't seem too eager to sign up for student status, even though Rob's won almost a million dollars. Hmmmmmm.
Not so. My strategy forecast that I would win at least 80%-85% of my visits, with an overall win of AT LEAST $2500/session played--including the losing ones. And the results were just that, and maybe even a little better while playing as a pro and even better since playing more recreationally as well as far less often. Yes, people who simply play only optimal or some other helter-skelter strategy cannot forecast a thing unless they want to predict losing--which is their safest bet.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
I kind of agree with some of that. Alan is and is likely to continue to be completely fascinated with playing the game, so it makes good sense to learn to do it as well as one can. He understands goals pretty well, although it is not wise to keep changing such goals based on how much you're winning in a session. Aside from that, I happen to believe he is a very good candidate to succeed with ARTT and RTT.Originally Posted by redietz
Last edited by Rob.Singer; 07-19-2013 at 05:21 PM.
Win goals and loss limits always work. If you stick to your loss limit you will never lose more than you intend do. If you stick to your win goal -- whether it is a fixed win goal, or a flexible win goal that accounts for winning more than you expected, you will always leave happy.Originally Posted by redietz
Rob is the expert at his system, but while I respect his system and believe it has value, I choose to play differently. Rob makes "special plays" and I don't (with the exception of triple aces with kicker on TDB which I only faced ONE time in my life.)Originally Posted by redietz
Rob also has a high bankroll requirement and changes denominations which I don't do as the game I choose to play is determined by the amount of "entertainment money" I have for the session. Last night, for example, my entertainment budget was limited to the $240 of free play that I had, plus $40 cash. I used the $240 of free play on a $1 game, and then used the $40 on a 25-cent game and got lucky.
Rob uses a fixed win goal, and I use a flexible win goal. Rob has bigger loss limits than I have primarily because he has a pre determined "bankroll" for playing while I use "recreation money."
Alan, the primary denominations I use these days for RTT & ARTT are five-level 25c/50c/$1/$2/$5. You would do very well on either of these, and they are a lot more interesting to play than just pounding away. And while SPS was played by me at very hi denominations, it can be adjusted downward to make it compatible with anyone. But it is much more complex than either of the strategies I mentioned above. I can make a consistent winner out of anyone who has an excellent aptitude for the game.
Rob, since I am not familiar at all with RTT and ARTT or SDTT (super duper triple trouble) what is your starting bankroll and what is the win goal for five-level 25c/50c/$1/$2/$5 ??
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