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[MisterV]

Amazon has one that looks good: just added it to my shopping cart:

https://www.amazon.com/Lewis-N-Clark...ds=money+pouch

[kewlJ]

Amazon has one that looks good: just added it to my shopping cart:

https://www.amazon.com/Lewis-N-Clark...ds=money+pouch

I like the zippers. I don't know that I am all that confident in such a little strap being all that supports what could be significant money. That is the same problem I had with the similar item on BJ21.

[kewlJ]

Kewl-- it isn't voodoo--you have no way to know if you are going to have a bad day. But if I am having a day where my horses just don't seem to be running--where I just am not seeing it clearly that day for whatever reason--I will quit. I was just asking if you ever feel it appropriate to do the same. I understand the "need" to play because of your advantage. But if for whatever unknown reason you suck that day, is there a thought to just go home to your pool or take in a movie or whatever.

My answer is No. If I am not feeling well, I take the day off and or go home early if I need to. This rarely happens with me, but my spouse who is my chauffer sometimes is having a bad day health-wise, so we knock off early. But I don't do so strictly because I am losing. The cards don't know that I am losing, so there I no reason the next round or session won't be a winning one. I am playing with an advantage. I often joke about the "blackjack gods" or "variance gods" smiling or frowning on me. But if you really believe that and alter you play because of it, you have crossed some sort of voodoo line in my opinion. Although I am not a math geek kind of guy like a Shackleford, or blackjack guys Schlesinger or Wattenberger, I believe in the math, not karma, or biorythems or stuff. If I have an advantage I play until there is another reason to stop, not strictly based on having a bad day.

And if I want to take a day off and relax at the pool or take in a movie or I do it. That is one of the benefits of self-employment. I try not to do so too often, because you can get into a bad habit, but occasionally, I call an audible and take a unscheduled vacation day.

[Bill Yung]

A fanny pack is the best thing for an all-day casino trip.



Simple and easy.

[AxelWolf]

A fanny pack is the best thing for an all-day casino trip.



Simple and easy.

They have some nicer black leather fanny packs (I have one somewhere) If you wear a slightly oversized dark colored dress shirt and leave it untucked over the fanny pack, its hard to even notice you have one on.

Fanny packs are coming back in now.

A nice leather jacket with lots of pockets that Zip-up should solve most peoples problems. It's usually cold in the casinos anyways.

[Alan Mendelson]

I know all you APs need to keep your identities secret but for the rest of us credit lines and taking checks to the bank work great.

[AxelWolf]

I know all you APs need to keep your identities secret but for the rest of us credit lines and taking checks to the bank work great.

It seems to me that some of the guys talking about this don't claim to be AP's. There had been similar conversations on WOV and many participants were not AP's

If a tourist/gambler comes to LV with 10k (even if he takes out a line of credit at one casino) and he's casino hopping from place to place, do you expect him to get a line of credit at each location and whenever he hits a jackpot just take a check?

When your son supposedly hit all 5 Royals, did he take a check each time and use lines of credit when he was playing?

I have put up front money numerous times and its a pain in the ass to take out markers and deal with all that BS. I mostly only did it because they were giving something extra for doing so. Or I was going out to do some fun stuff for the night and didn't want to carry much cash with me. Or I wanted to have a way to get at some extra cash 24/7.

FYI. An AP shouldn't leave front money at a location he is AP'ing, he might have to fight to get it back. They can even refuse to cash in your slot tickets and chips.

Some gamblers don't want to have anything to do with lines of credit because they know it could end financially bad for them.

And you are correct, there are times when you want to remain as anonymous as you can.

[Alan Mendelson]

Each royal was $4,000 which was not enough for a check and he immediately started playing $5 or $10 VP where unfortunately he lost it and had to start over.

Any payment of $20K or more I not only take a check but I leave. It's my stop loss. Sure the VP machines don't know that I just hit a royal but I do.

And the best part of a credit line: I typically arrive in Vegas with fifty or sixty dollars in my wallet. Why deal with fanny packs? And yes, my leather jacket does have interior pockets with zippers. And the casinos are cold so wearing a jacket, even a windbreaker in the summer, will not draw attention.

My biggest problem with big checks is the bank putting a hold on it.

[AxelWolf]

Each royal was $4,000 which was not enough for a check and he immediately started playing $5 or $10 VP where unfortunately he lost it and had to start over.

Any payment of $20K or more I not only take a check but I leave. It's my stop loss. Sure the VP machines don't know that I just hit a royal but I do.

And the best part of a credit line: I typically arrive in Vegas with fifty or sixty dollars in my wallet. Why deal with fanny packs? And yes, my leather jacket does have interior pockets with zippers. And the casinos are cold so wearing a jacket, even a windbreaker in the summer, will not draw attention.

My biggest problem with big checks is the bank putting a hold on it.

Thats good you walk when you hit something good. When you are playing -EV stuff its a good idea to have a stop win/loss since it means you are exposing less money to the HA. I'm sure some guys might be tempted move up to a higher bet level and give it all back in no time at all. An AP should have an overall stopping point just so they can reevaluate what limits they can reasonably afford without going broke. There's also a chance something is wrong(Chinese deks might be in play).

As you mentioned, your bank may put a hold on your check. An AP might be sweating it during that hold. I haven't heard of a casino putting a stop payment on a check but I think it's best to just get the cash in hand unless you think there's a safty issue.

[kewlJ]

An AP should have an overall stopping point just so they can reevaluate what limits they can reasonably afford without going broke. There's also a chance something is wrong(Chinese decks might be in play).

Or rigged shuffle machines. (I would do the eye roll emoji, but I actually subscribe to this one in limited capacity)

[Alan Mendelson]

Frankly, I think there is always a safety issue with cash.

I have to say that the only time I was asked if I wanted a private payoff on a jackpot was at Pechanga some years ago. I hit a $20,000 royal. They came to my machine and asked me how I wanted the payoff. I asked for cash (because I was married at the time and the rule was half was mine and half was hers and I liked to surprise her with the money on the dresser in the morning). Then they asked me if I wanted to go into a side room by the cage for the payoff. Another time it was only a $10,000 pay on DDB, and two HUGE security guards surrounded me and the payer so that no one could see the transaction -- but obviously anyone could tell a cash pay was being made. (By the way I offered to tip the security guards and they declined saying it was against the casino rules for them to accept tips.)

The reality is getting cash at any casino puts you at risk. People watch. They watch you at the tables, they watch you at the machines and they watch you at the cage. Don't you think 90% of the cars arriving in Vegas or headed northbound on the I-15 to Vegas have at least one person with several thousand dollars in their pockets? Same is true with plane passengers: what do you think the cash amount is of a planeload from LAX or Burbank arriving in Vegas???

[jbjb]

Frankly, I think there is always a safety issue with cash.

I have to say that the only time I was asked if I wanted a private payoff on a jackpot was at Pechanga some years ago. I hit a $20,000 royal. They came to my machine and asked me how I wanted the payoff. I asked for cash (because I was married at the time and the rule was half was mine and half was hers and I liked to surprise her with the money on the dresser in the morning). Then they asked me if I wanted to go into a side room by the cage for the payoff. Another time it was only a $10,000 pay on DDB, and two HUGE security guards surrounded me and the payer so that no one could see the transaction -- but obviously anyone could tell a cash pay was being made. (By the way I offered to tip the security guards and they declined saying it was against the casino rules for them to accept tips.)

The reality is getting cash at any casino puts you at risk. People watch. They watch you at the tables, they watch you at the machines and they watch you at the cage. Don't you think 90% of the cars arriving in Vegas or headed northbound on the I-15 to Vegas have at least one person with several thousand dollars in their pockets? Same is true with plane passengers: what do you think the cash amount is of a planeload from LAX or Burbank arriving in Vegas???

I'd be more concerned with civil forfeiture from crooked cops than from some thug in a casino.

There's an episode of "The A Team" where a rogue casino supervisor alerted crooked cops of buses full of seniors. They'd stop the bus, then rob the seniors.

[LarryS]

Not alot of talk about civil forfeiture but I used to listen to a libertarian radio show thats no longer on here....and there would be people talking about nightmare stories of police depts funding trips to Hawaii for police conventions, or other personal or department use. It seems the old speed trap giving 60 dollar tickets just takes too long. cars, real estate, contents of a wallet....all fair game. And the crazy thing is YOU have to prove you are innocent. The burden is on YOU.

[kewlJ]

Not alot of talk about civil forfeiture

There is frequent discussions about civil forfeiture on various blackjack and AP sites. It is a frequent discussion. Bob Nersesian also speaks of it often when a guest on GWAE.

That "proving" part is nasty business. Can cost you a small fortune to get your own money bank. I carry a letter from Bob stating that I am a professional blackjack player as an explanation of why I may have some cash on me. Never needed to use it and there is no guarantee that would have any influence on crooked and / or uninformed "law" officers. Just sort of an attempt to head off a situation before it occurs.

Once funds are confiscated, you are going to pay either way. Bob can usually get the money returned...or most of the money. I say that because it seems there are frequent discrepancies in what various AP's claim they had confiscated and the official record by law enforcement of what was confiscated. So "skimming" or paying an attorney, you are going to pay one way or another.

[MisterV]

One would think that cops in and around Las Vegas see a lot of weird people carrying a lot of cash: naturally, the town is filled with glitzy casinos.

Contrast that with a traffic stop at 4:00AM in bumfuck Kansas, finding a horde of cash in a car driven by a wetback.

[regnis]

Not alot of talk about civil forfeiture

There is frequent discussions about civil forfeiture on various blackjack and AP sites. It is a frequent discussion. Bob Nersesian also speaks of it often when a guest on GWAE.

That "proving" part is nasty business. Can cost you a small fortune to get your own money bank. I carry a letter from Bob stating that I am a professional blackjack player as an explanation of why I may have some cash on me. Never needed to use it and there is no guarantee that would have any influence on crooked and / or uninformed "law" officers. Just sort of an attempt to head off a situation before it occurs.

Once funds are confiscated, you are going to pay either way. Bob can usually get the money returned...or most of the money. I say that because it seems there are frequent discrepancies in what various AP's claim they had confiscated and the official record by law enforcement of what was confiscated. So "skimming" or paying an attorney, you are going to pay one way or another.

On a larger scale, I don't do that kind of work but I have had clients whose assets were taken and it is a never ending task at great expense trying to get them back. It basically ruins lives, whether innocent or guilty.

[LarryS]

Yes its talked about among gamblers on gambling boards. But there is no public outcry or scrutiny . I listen to alot of talk radio, and only heard it on a small libertarian show. You never hear Limbaugh, hannity,and the like talk about it. I never carry large amounts of money, it doesnt effect me, but I am troubled by it as it smells like what you hear that goes on in banana republic countries. There is no oversight. you know more than me based on your trade.....and its not the topic of this thread.....so I will stop it here.....so as not to hijack.

[kewlJ]

On a larger scale, I don't do that kind of work but I have had clients whose assets were taken and it is a never ending task at great expense trying to get them back. It basically ruins lives, whether innocent or guilty.

You are an attorney regnis?

That is why it is better to try to avoid such a situation in the first place. The letter, which is something Bob recommends, hopefully immediately alerts law enforcement that, you are someone who is going to pursue the matter, so it isn't just going to go away quietly. Also the name Bob Nersesian, has meaning to Las Vegas and Nevada jurisdictions. Hopefully that too is a warning that there is going to be a light shined (<-shined?) on this action.

Similarly with traveling. I let the banks move my money. An account at one of the major national type banks does the trick. Some AP's complain about lost time when reaching the destination to getting your funds, especially arriving at night or on a weekend. There is also an issue for high stakes players because they have to notify the bank in advance to have enough cash. (I don't have that problem at my stakes) Even so, these are a small inconvenience in my mind.

Besides airport TSA, you have taxidrivers, people at the airport. Travel is stressful enough without carrying a shitload of money. One time when I was returning to Vegas from a trip east, a guy going through security a couple people in front of me, announced to TSA that he was traveling to Vegas and has significant money. They had him hold it (a big brick of cash) in his hands, over his head as he went through the scanner. WHAT....A ....FREAKING....SCHMUCK! Might as well of been holding a "please rob me" sign.

[kewlJ]

Yes its talked about among gamblers on gambling boards. But there is no public outcry or scrutiny .

I hear ya. There should be. Every erosion of rights of that nature is a step closer to a police state. Sadly people don't care, until it happens to them. Where are all the good neighbors at?

[AxelWolf]

Not alot of talk about civil forfeiture but I used to listen to a libertarian radio show thats no longer on here....and there would be people talking about nightmare stories of police depts funding trips to Hawaii for police conventions, or other personal or department use. It seems the old speed trap giving 60 dollar tickets just takes too long. cars, real estate, contents of a wallet....all fair game. And the crazy thing is YOU have to prove you are innocent. The burden is on YOU.

Actually, I think you have to prove your money is innocent.

All forums gambling forums should have a civil forfeiture thread and everyone should be talking about it.