Vegas_lover seeing the $25 symbol is probably the easiest way to determine if the photo is authentic. The other "clues" would be more complex, don't you think?
Arc... I think Rob is allowed to travel.
I am still hoping that Rob will say here where the machine is. I cannot drive to the casino anytime soon to see for myself.
A photo of the W2g would also be helpful.
But with all of that said has anyone else looked at $25 machines lately to check the grsphics?
Agreed, at the same time, there's no reason why Rob can't explain why there's a woman in the back taking a picture while him taking a picture of a jackpot is an issue. At the same time I've taken pictures of decent hits all the time, I've even filmed bonus rounds on slot machines and guess what I've never had any problems with casino employees while doing this. And I'm not alone on this, Youtube and the internet is filled with pictures of Vegas jackpots and footage of slotmachine action. What is it all these people do differently from Rob, where they all have no problem taking pictures and Rob does.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
And his story about not wanting to reveal the name of the casino because he will probably play there again is shaky at best. No casino I know of has a problem with a gambler publishing proof of a big hit at their casino. It shows customers you can win big, playing in their casino. The only reasons, why Rob doesn't want to share the casino name, I can come up with are:
1. Somebody can check if the machine excists
2. Somebody can check what their policy is for taking pictures of jackpots
3. Somebody can simply prove his story is bogus
Those are my beliefs. But then again, as I said before, I don't believe a word Rob says.
But Rob did send me the unedited picture showing the casinos name, and therefore:Originally Posted by Vegas_lover
1. I can check if the machine exists
2. I can check what the policy is about taking photos of jackpots
3. I have the ability to see the machine, what the $25 symbol looks like, and help determine if the story is bogus
So that sorta shoots down your post, doesn't it?
I had someone look at the photo who said the photo was NOT altered. It is legit.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
It looks like it's at Wynn to me, and from the reflection in the area where the credits are it looks like there is a double diamond slot machine on the opposite side of the aisle, (next to another slot that seems to have a guy with a big head but I can't figure out what game that is).
I believe there is a potential problem that has not been considered with this scheme to identify the machine and check the graphics. If it, or even a similar machine at Rincon, is found to have a denomination that falls outside the circle it would seem to show that at least that portion of the image was not altered. I'm not going to state that if that were the case it "proves" that Rob's story is 100% true as it wouldn't do that. All it would do is show that the image issue surrounding the denomination was not an issue at all.
However, lets say that when found the denomination portion looks as others do; cleanly within the lines of the circle. That won't prove anything either. Unless someone has the machine number we won't know for certain if it is the same game. Even if can be identified as being the same machine the possibility exists that it could have self-corrected in some manner, or had received a software update that altered it.
It seems to me that while this endeavor probably won't be able to prove anything substantial, the fact that it has the potential to falsely implicate someone should give people pause when considering to pursue it.
One of the oldest and most reliable tricks in the book to keep people talking about you and paying attention to you is to generate a lot of negative feelings towards you. It's a proven fact that the pain of negative experiences is 3-4 times as strong as good feelings from positive experiences, and the people who generate those painful, negative feelings tend to stick much longer in peoples' minds than those who generate positive feelings.
Personally I am rather (but not completely) indifferent as to whether Rob is millions ahead by now. Does it help me get my work done today?
Negative campaigning in politics is one of the most powerful tools out there to keep people remembering your cause. Instinctively I think Rob understands this trick.
I should add that I have previously told Alan I've always wanted to know whether Rob is telling the truth or not and it would be nice to lay the matter to rest entirely, but I generally find Rob to be more entertaining rather than disconcerting after all these years.
I have an emotional stake just for the sense of "completion" to a long Singer saga: win, lose, or draw. Sort of like wanting to see the finale of a years-long soap opera full of plot twists & turns...
(Puts more popcorn on the grocery list.)
Curiously, a few years ago at www.lvadvice.com, someone claiming to be a Singer disciple -- and who wrote a lot like Rob -- posted a photo of a royal jackpot. I honestly don't remember the name and am not going to research it. Anyway, they claimed to have won the jackpot in one casino, but analysis demonstrated that the photo was taken at the Wynn. The lying poster was then banned. It's just strange that the Wynn is the locale -- and in both instances the person taking the photo was "supposed to be" elsewhere.
Rob gave me a perfectly logical explanation why he was at the casino/hotel where the $100K jackpot was hit. It's no big deal why he was there. The man is free to travel around and he certainly had a good reason to be there on that particular date. So I wish this part of the "controversy" was not discussed anymore.
Last night, someone familiar with the new machines told me that that the denomination falls outside of the "circle" on the new model. Of course, I don't know if the machine in the photo is the new model. But he looked at the photo and felt the photo was not altered.
The acid test here would be to go to the casino and look at the machine. I happen to know that the casino in question does not have many of these machines, so it would be rather simple for someone to go... look... and report back.
I personally am itching to get in the car and drive there and look for myself, but I just have too much work to do here.
The rest of the photo -- and I have the original, unaltered photo sent to me -- also looks legitimate.
I am keeping an open mind just in case someone does go to the casino and finds that the $25 symbol is not what it is supposed to be in the photo.
Just to be 100% clear here -- No photography expert examined the photo, correct? I think the most common interpretation of your early post was that someone with a background in photographic alteration had examined it, but that is not the case. Do I have that right? Are you a photography expert? I ask because "It is legit" -- last I checked -- is a declarative statement.
I was a photographer in my youth, but those skills are useless here as I was pre-digital. I developed my own photos and all that, but figuring out what's altered these days takes modern skills.
It was NOT an expert but someone familiar with the machine displays. His feeling was that everything looked correct. Still someone needs to look.
I particularly love the claim that the $25 identification has been "altered". Then, how it's believed that I, at my age and lifestyle, would bother with or even know how to alter pictures. We're going to the Lone Eagle Grill at the Hyatt in Incline Village tomorrow night and we're taking four friends. Let's hope they accept phantom bucks too
OMG---there certainly IS pain! I won that bet too....what a HOT STREAK!!
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I'm watching a rerun of Marvel's Agents of SHIELD tonight on the computer. Obviously Rob is a far more expert gambler than me.
I'm also trying to figure out why Rob hasn't mentioned the Gaming Today issues. Oh yeah, GT is monitoring this forum -- that might have something to do with it.
Red, there's some things I'm just not interested in. I'm definitely a "more expert gambler" than you (and everyone else, obviously) when it comes to video poker. But please be assured, you are #1 in my book when it comes to anonymous consulting for anonymous sports bettors in anonymous situations.
I have no idea why Eileen from Gaming Today would lie about Rob. Must have something to do with his schlong.
This shlong thing is gonna require pictures or video, and some proof that his length and/or girth have not been altered in any way.Originally Posted by redietz
On second thought, I'll take your word. Please no video.
Forgive me: but isn't "size" something akin to "expected return" from a good paytable, but it's more about the "special plays" that can turn a low expected return into a jackpot?
I was always told it's how you use it.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
IIRC, Singer claimed he used "it" to hurt his partners.Originally Posted by slingshotI was always told it's how you use it.
Here's another great win, especially for our happy camper Bubba
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