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  1. #1
    I've just gotten word that there has been two strong arm removals of machine AP's at MGM this past week. The word is one of them took a beating. I'm waiting for updates. Looks like a case for Robert Nersesian.

    Editi: Wrong information. It occurred at Excaliber after he was trespassed at Luxor. I haven't found out where the other occurred but it was an MGM property. Looks like MGM has declared war on slot AP's.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 11-06-2018 at 06:35 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  2. #2
    And neither do you know the reasons, the background, or who these supposed "slot ap's" really are--or if they really exist at all.

    Remember, the same false rumors were rampantly spread around by the phonies and pretend artists on WoV during the Revel promo. They regularly wait to pounce on story-telling opportunities just to push their silly ap agenda all the time.

    Wise up.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And neither do you know the reasons, the background, or who these supposed "slot ap's" really are--or if they really exist at all.

    Remember, the same false rumors were rampantly spread around by the phonies and pretend artists on WoV during the Revel promo. They regularly wait to pounce on story-telling opportunities just to push their silly ap agenda all the time.

    Wise up.
    And what exactly was false about the Revel stories going around at the time?

    Some people made money, others got screwed, some acted stupid, and Dancer sold people out for personal gain.

    That about covers it.

    As for what happened at MGM more details are needed. As I posted elsewhere, I do believe some are crossing over into the “Creator” side. Legitimate AP’s should consider them Garbage and those I know do. They ruin it for everyone and this may or may not have happened here. Again I have no clue, but i have zero concerns for someone trying to interfere with a regular player to get them off a machine.

    Some may say it opens up the casino to going after anyone for any reason, but these POS deserve everything that happens to them if they are truly creators.

    That said, I’m interested in more details on Mickey’s post.

  4. #4
    Self excluded gamblers gambling with their card to make an extra buck...

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And neither do you know the reasons, the background, or who these supposed "slot ap's" really are--or if they really exist at all.

    Remember, the same false rumors were rampantly spread around by the phonies and pretend artists on WoV during the Revel promo. They regularly wait to pounce on story-telling opportunities just to push their silly ap agenda all the time.

    Wise up.
    I've traded information online with one of them involved. I'm still waiting for details.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And neither do you know the reasons, the background, or who these supposed "slot ap's" really are--or if they really exist at all.

    Remember, the same false rumors were rampantly spread around by the phonies and pretend artists on WoV during the Revel promo. They regularly wait to pounce on story-telling opportunities just to push their silly ap agenda all the time.

    Wise up.
    And what exactly was false about the Revel stories going around at the time?

    Some people made money, others got screwed, some acted stupid, and Dancer sold people out for personal gain.

    That about covers it.

    As for what happened at MGM more details are needed. As I posted elsewhere, I do believe some are crossing over into the “Creator” side. Legitimate AP’s should consider them Garbage and those I know do. They ruin it for everyone and this may or may not have happened here. Again I have no clue, but i have zero concerns for someone trying to interfere with a regular player to get them off a machine.

    Some may say it opens up the casino to going after anyone for any reason, but these POS deserve everything that happens to them if they are truly creators.

    That said, I’m interested in more details on Mickey’s post.
    Boz, as dumb as some of you people think I am for the way I approach vp, I know the numbers as well as anybody. I went in on this promo with a friend of mine who's a LV AP who has never bothered with any internet forums, which he told me is how true AP's go about their business.

    It was simple: I heard about it so I did what I'm trained to do: detailed research first. Then I contacted my buddy. We went in for $50k each. I did all the admin. work, he flew to AC and would stay at my sister's guest house outside Philly during that spread-out free play period if it were needed. I in turn made several calls to Revel and obtained the complete set of rules and regulations governing this very lucrative promotion. He did not go to AC until I told him I fully understood everything.

    He won just over $8k playing his way and mine as best he could, so there was no need to stay on. I had set an $8k profit goal, which he didn't like but agreed to do. I read a lot of false stories on WoV about how all these AP's "hammered the promo to death so they were told to leave" but what really happened is everyone who got stopped or thrown out was breaking the rules in one way or the other. My friend confirmed that and I confirmed that over the phone.

    I've heard the bit about Dancer, but it really had no effect on the overall promotion. Revel knew this would attract a myriad of AP's from anywhere and everywhere. Amazing that they ruined it for themselves by either not being properly prepared, or by thinking they could get away with skirting the rules. The purpose of this promo of course, was to keep as many heavily bankrolled players around for as long as possible, expecting play far beyond the $100k in rebate. Which is why they spread it out of course.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And neither do you know the reasons, the background, or who these supposed "slot ap's" really are--or if they really exist at all.

    Remember, the same false rumors were rampantly spread around by the phonies and pretend artists on WoV during the Revel promo. They regularly wait to pounce on story-telling opportunities just to push their silly ap agenda all the time.

    Wise up.
    And what exactly was false about the Revel stories going around at the time?

    Some people made money, others got screwed, some acted stupid, and Dancer sold people out for personal gain.

    That about covers it.

    As for what happened at MGM more details are needed. As I posted elsewhere, I do believe some are crossing over into the “Creator” side. Legitimate AP’s should consider them Garbage and those I know do. They ruin it for everyone and this may or may not have happened here. Again I have no clue, but i have zero concerns for someone trying to interfere with a regular player to get them off a machine.

    Some may say it opens up the casino to going after anyone for any reason, but these POS deserve everything that happens to them if they are truly creators.

    That said, I’m interested in more details on Mickey’s post.
    What do you mean "Creators"? I have never heard of that term.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And neither do you know the reasons, the background, or who these supposed "slot ap's" really are--or if they really exist at all.

    Remember, the same false rumors were rampantly spread around by the phonies and pretend artists on WoV during the Revel promo. They regularly wait to pounce on story-telling opportunities just to push their silly ap agenda all the time.

    Wise up.
    And what exactly was false about the Revel stories going around at the time?

    Some people made money, others got screwed, some acted stupid, and Dancer sold people out for personal gain.

    That about covers it.

    As for what happened at MGM more details are needed. As I posted elsewhere, I do believe some are crossing over into the “Creator” side. Legitimate AP’s should consider them Garbage and those I know do. They ruin it for everyone and this may or may not have happened here. Again I have no clue, but i have zero concerns for someone trying to interfere with a regular player to get them off a machine.

    Some may say it opens up the casino to going after anyone for any reason, but these POS deserve everything that happens to them if they are truly creators.

    That said, I’m interested in more details on Mickey’s post.
    Boz, as dumb as some of you people think I am for the way I approach vp, I know the numbers as well as anybody. I went in on this promo with a friend of mine who's a LV AP who has never bothered with any internet forums, which he told me is how true AP's go about their business.

    It was simple: I heard about it so I did what I'm trained to do: detailed research first. Then I contacted my buddy. We went in for $50k each. I did all the admin. work, he flew to AC and would stay at my sister's guest house outside Philly during that spread-out free play period if it were needed. I in turn made several calls to Revel and obtained the complete set of rules and regulations governing this very lucrative promotion. He did not go to AC until I told him I fully understood everything.

    He won just over $8k playing his way and mine as best he could, so there was no need to stay on. I had set an $8k profit goal, which he didn't like but agreed to do. I read a lot of false stories on WoV about how all these AP's "hammered the promo to death so they were told to leave" but what really happened is everyone who got stopped or thrown out was breaking the rules in one way or the other. My friend confirmed that and I confirmed that over the phone.

    I've heard the bit about Dancer, but it really had no effect on the overall promotion. Revel knew this would attract a myriad of AP's from anywhere and everywhere. Amazing that they ruined it for themselves by either not being properly prepared, or by thinking they could get away with skirting the rules. The purpose of this promo of course, was to keep as many heavily bankrolled players around for as long as possible, expecting play far beyond the $100k in rebate. Which is why they spread it out of course.
    I know for a fact one player who played by the rules was run off after hitting a few jackpots on the $100 slots(Because he was part of our group). He never attempted any shenanigans what so ever. I can't recall if he was actully trespassed or not. They did exclude him from the promo, excluded him from players club and charge him for evrything even tho he was supposed to be comped full RFB.

    What game did you guys play? I would assume the $5 triple double or something like that?

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by FABismonte View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And neither do you know the reasons, the background, or who these supposed "slot ap's" really are--or if they really exist at all.

    Remember, the same false rumors were rampantly spread around by the phonies and pretend artists on WoV during the Revel promo. They regularly wait to pounce on story-telling opportunities just to push their silly ap agenda all the time.

    Wise up.
    And what exactly was false about the Revel stories going around at the time?

    Some people made money, others got screwed, some acted stupid, and Dancer sold people out for personal gain.

    That about covers it.

    As for what happened at MGM more details are needed. As I posted elsewhere, I do believe some are crossing over into the “Creator” side. Legitimate AP’s should consider them Garbage and those I know do. They ruin it for everyone and this may or may not have happened here. Again I have no clue, but i have zero concerns for someone trying to interfere with a regular player to get them off a machine.

    Some may say it opens up the casino to going after anyone for any reason, but these POS deserve everything that happens to them if they are truly creators.

    That said, I’m interested in more details on Mickey’s post.
    What do you mean "Creators"? I have never heard of that term.
    They find a mark, usually elderly people and make them think they have a winning system or they know a certain machine is good. They act as their coach and trick them into loading up games like ultimate x video poker with multipliers on all the games with their own money. Then they use some ploy to have them leave the machine. Usually, a partner will swoop in and clear out the Multipliers after the first guy leads them away.

  10. #10
    I would be interested in hearing about this strong-arm removal, as well.

    It's always important to get full details, though.

    Sometimes the player causes some of the problem, such as vigorously arguing the removal, or refusing to get up when told.

    I'm not defending MGM here, but there's a big difference between literally being grabbed and dragged from a machine, and planting yourself there and challenging them to do something about it if they don't like it.
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  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I would be interested in hearing about this strong-arm removal, as well.

    It's always important to get full details, though.

    Sometimes the player causes some of the problem, such as vigorously arguing the removal, or refusing to get up when told.

    I'm not defending MGM here, but there's a big difference between literally being grabbed and dragged from a machine, and planting yourself there and challenging them to do something about it if they don't like it.
    I just PM'd one of them to confirm it was him and also to get details. We'll see what happens.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by FABismonte View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And neither do you know the reasons, the background, or who these supposed "slot ap's" really are--or if they really exist at all.

    Remember, the same false rumors were rampantly spread around by the phonies and pretend artists on WoV during the Revel promo. They regularly wait to pounce on story-telling opportunities just to push their silly ap agenda all the time.

    Wise up.
    And what exactly was false about the Revel stories going around at the time?

    Some people made money, others got screwed, some acted stupid, and Dancer sold people out for personal gain.

    That about covers it.

    As for what happened at MGM more details are needed. As I posted elsewhere, I do believe some are crossing over into the “Creator” side. Legitimate AP’s should consider them Garbage and those I know do. They ruin it for everyone and this may or may not have happened here. Again I have no clue, but i have zero concerns for someone trying to interfere with a regular player to get them off a machine.

    Some may say it opens up the casino to going after anyone for any reason, but these POS deserve everything that happens to them if they are truly creators.

    That said, I’m interested in more details on Mickey’s post.
    What do you mean "Creators"? I have never heard of that term.
    Creators are your basic slimeballs that rip off little old ladies. The most notorious in Nevada was Dominic whom we called "Nick the Sick." He was a crackhead.

    There used to be an expoitable slot called Bingo. It was a five liner and occasionally a bingo ball would come out then fill in a spot on the bingo card above the reels. When you made a bingo you would get a bonus that amounted to about 10% on the wager. So AP's would play when they found a partially completed bingo pattern. You got the bonus for cheap so you made a profit. The best plays were the ones where the prior player was betting 45 coins. You spun it off betting just 9 coins but got a much bigger bonus.

    You had your choice of bingo patterns. And you could change bingo patterns at any time. Nick would steer little old ladies onto the machines and coach them as they played having them bet max coins. When they got close to making a bingo Nick would change the pattern which cleared the balls off and the little old lady would start over on a new pattern. He would do this to her several times then steer her off the machine.

    What was going on was 10% of every spin was going into the bonus. By clearing the bingo patterns on the old ladies Nick was building a very high bonus. After he dumped the little old lady he would come back to the machine, spin it off betting the minimum, and get a $100 or $200 bonus for an investment of maybe $20.

    I passed by Nick setting up a little old lady one night at the Colorado Belle. Later on I passed back by again and Nick was waiting on a $300 handpay on the bingo machine. I walked on by but a few seconds later Nick came running by me headed out the door with a security guard hot on his trail. The little old lady had complained.

    One time Nick was running out of Caesars Palace and got hit by a car breaking his leg. He was always in and out of jail. When he went into jail he was skinny as a rail but when he would come out he was all fattened up. A few weeks later he would be skinny as a rail again.

    A judge finally barred him out of all Nevada casinos. I heard he has been spotted in California.

    The term "creator" was used to describe what guys like Nick were doing, creating big fat juicy plays.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There used to be an expoitable slot called Bingo. It was a five liner and occasionally a bingo ball would come out then fill in a spot on the bingo card above the reels. When you made a bingo you would get a bonus that amounted to about 10% on the wager. So AP's would play when they found a partially completed bingo pattern. You got the bonus for cheap so you made a profit. The best plays were the ones where the prior player was betting 45 coins. You spun it off betting just 9 coins but got a much bigger bonus.
    I remember the CDS Bingo very well. That and Flush Attack were my introduction to machine AP.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by FABismonte View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    And what exactly was false about the Revel stories going around at the time?

    Some people made money, others got screwed, some acted stupid, and Dancer sold people out for personal gain.

    That about covers it.

    As for what happened at MGM more details are needed. As I posted elsewhere, I do believe some are crossing over into the “Creator” side. Legitimate AP’s should consider them Garbage and those I know do. They ruin it for everyone and this may or may not have happened here. Again I have no clue, but i have zero concerns for someone trying to interfere with a regular player to get them off a machine.

    Some may say it opens up the casino to going after anyone for any reason, but these POS deserve everything that happens to them if they are truly creators.

    That said, I’m interested in more details on Mickey’s post.
    What do you mean "Creators"? I have never heard of that term.
    They find a mark, usually elderly people and make them think they have a winning system or they know a certain machine is good. They act as their coach and trick them into loading up games like ultimate x video poker with multipliers on all the games with their own money. Then they use some ploy to have them leave the machine. Usually, a partner will swoop in and clear out the Multipliers after the first guy leads them away.
    I saw a guy doing this once, I wondered what would happen if I jumped on it before the creator's partner, but I was too afraid of the possibility that the creator could get caught and that I would be tagged as the partner.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by pepe View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by FABismonte View Post

    What do you mean "Creators"? I have never heard of that term.
    They find a mark, usually elderly people and make them think they have a winning system or they know a certain machine is good. They act as their coach and trick them into loading up games like ultimate x video poker with multipliers on all the games with their own money. Then they use some ploy to have them leave the machine. Usually, a partner will swoop in and clear out the Multipliers after the first guy leads them away.
    I saw a guy doing this once, I wondered what would happen if I jumped on it before the creator's partner, but I was too afraid of the possibility that the creator could get caught and that I would be tagged as the partner.
    Evolution favors sitting down, and fucking the creator.
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  16. #16
    I can't get anyone to give any details on the strong arm removals.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I can't get anyone to give any details on the strong arm removals.
    Why do you think that is?
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  18. #18
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I've traded information online with one of them involved. I'm still waiting for details.
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I just PM'd one of them to confirm it was him and also to get details. We'll see what happens.
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I can't get anyone to give any details on the strong arm removals.
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Why do you think that is?
    Wonder where this fishing expedition is heading. Heard whispers on the boat from other guests we're heading out for tuna.

  19. #19
    Mister V. I tried to PM you. Typed the whole darn thing out before I discovered you don't accept them. Is there anyway to send it to you?

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I can't get anyone to give any details on the strong arm removals.
    Why do you think that is?
    I don't know. There's a bunch of guys on twitter I network with. We basically trade information on different accumulator slots, especially new games. These guys are all over the country but some of them are in Las Vegas. Most of it is going on through Direct Messaging. One of them, regengambler, put the public message up that two machine AP's had been strong arm removed from MGM properties within a week of each other. Tonybigcharles jumped in and guessed one of them was counteverything and someone else jumped in and said it was. However, I DM'd counteverything and he said it wasn't him. I put up a public message asking if anyone knew details but so far no one has responded. It is well known that there is major heat in some strip casinos on some of the higher denom accumulators like Golden Egypt and Alladin's Fortune. Some of those machines have bet levels as high as $60 a spin so are super lucrative when one finds them in advantage mode. You have to check the different bet levels to find advantages and that's the tip off to surveillance and security.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 11-09-2018 at 07:03 AM.
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