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  1. #41
    The worse thing you can do when you get thrown out of a casino is walk straight to another one. Surveillance and/or security is watching and will call security in the other casino. This has happened to people I know. About 10 years ago my buddy Al asked me to walk with him from the Plaza over to the California Club so he could look for his old lady. Of course we're going to make a lap around the vulturables while we're there. We got jacked up by a security that had a hard on for Al. They were giving me the guilt by association routine. We both refused to give ID and walked out the door. Security came out on the street and watched us. Al started to walk across the street and said "C'mon, let's go to the Horseshoe." I said "No, fuck, no. They'll call security as soon as we get in the joint." We walked down Ogden a couple blocks and took a left like we were headed to the downtown bus terminal. Security was still watching and I flipped them off as we rounded the corner. We just went around the block then back into the casino district. Assholes.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    If you go in there and do it everyday he will get rid of you. In the spots with heat you have to camouflage what you are doing. Stick a ticket in the machine, put it on the lowest bet, lowest multiplier, make some spins, all the while going through the bet levels a little at a time.
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Okay. I finally got some information. The guy was playing advantage slots in Luxor when security approached him and asked for ID. He refused. They trespassed him. He walked over to Excalibur and was checking the HD's when he was tackled from behind and without warning by security. He went crashing to the floor with them on top of him. It broke his nose and a possible broken wrist. He lost a lot of blood. They had to bring in hazmat to clean it up. Robert Nersessian took the case and said it will cash for 125K to 200K.

    The person this happened to is not just well known as a slot AP. He is also known in poker, baccarat and other forms of gambling.
    What a pathetic way to make a living.
    You're right. It's got to be a bitch being a lowly paid security guard watching all those high rollers blowing thousands of dollars everyday.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Well, I worked security back in my youth, and we weren't all bad guys. Not all of it was pathetic.
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    What a pathetic way to make a living.
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    You're right. It's got to be a bitch being a lowly paid security guard watching all those high rollers blowing thousands of dollars everyday.
    Not sure why you answer above quoted me, it had to have been for reditz and another one of his stone age references.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post



    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    You're right. It's got to be a bitch being a lowly paid security guard watching all those high rollers blowing thousands of dollars everyday.
    Not sure why you answer above quoted me, it had to have been for reditz and another one of his stone age references.
    Aren't you the one from the stone ages? You got one foot in the grave, right?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    The worse thing you can do when you get thrown out of a casino is walk straight to another one.
    No. The worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is going back in again.

    The second worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is walking straight into a casino owned by the same chain.

    However, the THIRD worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is walking straight into a different casino that's not in the same chain.

    Education breeds proper analysis mickey....even when making up your "blast from the past" stories.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    The worse thing you can do when you get thrown out of a casino is walk straight to another one.
    No. The worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is going back in again.

    The second worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is walking straight into a casino owned by the same chain.

    However, the THIRD worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is walking straight into a different casino that's not in the same chain.

    Education breeds proper analysis mickey....even when making up your "blast from the past" stories.
    The worse thing you can do at the moment you get thrown out of a casino is walk straight to another casino, no matter who owns it, idiot. You're "gotcha" is fuckin' weak, moron. And your contention that casinos are itching to get AP money in the door is stupid. We have a casino chain that has 86'd numerous AP's in the last month. What's that all about, numnuts? But you will answer with anything but the truth, Robocchio.

    PS: Dan has told you to keep the trolling out of this thread.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 11-10-2018 at 12:13 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    The worse thing you can do when you get thrown out of a casino is walk straight to another one.
    No. The worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is going back in again.

    The second worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is walking straight into a casino owned by the same chain.

    However, the THIRD worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is walking straight into a different casino that's not in the same chain.

    Education breeds proper analysis mickey....even when making up your "blast from the past" stories.
    The worse thing you can do at the moment you get thrown out of a casino is walk straight to another casino, no matter who owns it, idiot. You're "gotcha" is fuckin' weak, moron. And your contention that casinos are itching to get AP money in the door is stupid. We have a casino chain that has 86'd numerous AP's in the last month. What's that all about, numnuts? But you will answer with anything but the truth, Robocchio.

    PS: Dan has told you to keep the trolling out of this thread.
    mickey, if you weren't so ruffled over the truth that I posted, you wouldn't be trying so hard to bolster your pathetic face-saving attempt by incorporating other meaningless, unrelated items into your response.

    You also showed what a dumbass you are. Even a cave man knows the worst thing an 86'd gambler can do after getting thrown out of casino A is to turn right around and walk straight back into casino A. All your uneasy posturing doesn't mitigate any of that.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    You're right. It's got to be a bitch being a lowly paid security guard watching all those high rollers blowing thousands of dollars everyday.
    Ah yes: schadenfreude raises its ugly head.

    I suspect it's not limited to security guards; my money says most casino employees get a bit of "secret pleasure" watching some loud mouthed, non-tipping big bettor getting his ass handed to him.

    It's part of human nature to sometimes feel joy at the misfortune of others.
    What, Me Worry?

  9. #49
    Sounds like machine AP's are getting noticed and stopped. Where's Kewlj when you need him. I know his specialty is card counting, but maybe he could give you guys some tips on slivering in and out of casinos unnoticed. After all, he's going on 16 years withdrawing over a million dollars with no problems. Just think that after he breaks his brother in those amounts will double.

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    No. The worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is going back in again.

    The second worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is walking straight into a casino owned by the same chain.

    However, the THIRD worst thing you can do after getting thrown out of a casino is walking straight into a different casino that's not in the same chain.

    Education breeds proper analysis mickey....even when making up your "blast from the past" stories.
    The worse thing you can do at the moment you get thrown out of a casino is walk straight to another casino, no matter who owns it, idiot. You're "gotcha" is fuckin' weak, moron. And your contention that casinos are itching to get AP money in the door is stupid. We have a casino chain that has 86'd numerous AP's in the last month. What's that all about, numnuts? But you will answer with anything but the truth, Robocchio.

    PS: Dan has told you to keep the trolling out of this thread.
    mickey, if you weren't so ruffled over the truth that I posted, you wouldn't be trying so hard to bolster your pathetic face-saving attempt by incorporating other meaningless, unrelated items into your response.

    You also showed what a dumbass you are. Even a cave man knows the worst thing an 86'd gambler can do after getting thrown out of casino A is to turn right around and walk straight back into casino A. All your uneasy posturing doesn't mitigate any of that.
    I was making a point about not walking straight to another casino once you get the boot. But your idiot ass don't get the point. You are the one that changed the subject. Which you always do concerning advantage play since you are so uneducated in it, Robocchio.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Sounds like machine AP's are getting noticed and stopped. Where's Kewlj when you need him. I know his specialty is card counting, but maybe he could give you guys some tips on slivering in and out of casinos unnoticed. After all, he's going on 16 years withdrawing over a million dollars with no problems. Just think that after he breaks his brother in those amounts will double.
    When you work the same house everyday you are going to get noticed. Those AP's getting the boot should be using a large rotation like KJ does. And the heat on slot AP is a Las Vegas thing. It doesn't exist in other locations. There is no heat in any of the houses on my circuit.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Security checked his ID for what reason? They manhandled him for what reason? Only because he was an AP?

    I find that BOTH disturbing AND hard to believe.
    Circa 1980, I was in the Castaways and saw an attractive woman come in, all disheveled, one shoe on, nylons torn. She went to one of the pay phones in the lobby and called her boss. She had been at the Sands, across the street, and the story she told her boss was that she had been in the walkway near some shops, and security came upon her and demanded ID. From the conversation, she evidently was a reporter for ABC (familiar?), and when asked for ID, she took it that they thought she was a hooker, so she told security to "fuck off," as she told her boss. Well, two guys dragged her to the front door and bodily threw her out onto the sidewalk. She seemed more upset that they had knocked the heel off her new pair of shoes than the fact they had roughed her up.

    The theory, I suppose, is that if you are asked for ID and do not provide it, stuff can happen, at least circa 1980.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Security checked his ID for what reason? They manhandled him for what reason? Only because he was an AP?

    I find that BOTH disturbing AND hard to believe.
    Circa 1980, I was in the Castaways and saw an attractive woman come in, all disheveled, one shoe on, nylons torn. She went to one of the pay phones in the lobby and called her boss. She had been at the Sands, across the street, and the story she told her boss was that she had been in the walkway near some shops, and security came upon her and demanded ID. From the conversation, she evidently was a reporter for ABC (familiar?), and when asked for ID, she took it that they thought she was a hooker, so she told security to "fuck off," as she told her boss. Well, two guys dragged her to the front door and bodily threw her out onto the sidewalk. She seemed more upset that they had knocked the heel off her new pair of shoes than the fact they had roughed her up.

    The theory, I suppose, is that if you are asked for ID and do not provide it, stuff can happen, at least circa 1980.
    It was rough back in those days. The casinos owned the cops, lawyers, judges, everybody. FBI investigations changed it somewhat. But it was Grosjean winning the lawsuit against Caesars that really changed things. I don't know how correct the information I got is. Richard Munchkin is after getting the guy to interview on GWAE.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #54
    I have it from one source that the crackdown on slot AP's started in the wake of the Mandalay Shooting. Security is trying to act like they are on the ball and doing things.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #55
    Hard to believe they are this concerned about machines they could just yank from the floor. Strange times.

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    . If you're a rousing success in the NFL, maybe Billy Walters will recruit you. Then you'll have some non-fiction stories to share with the forum.
    They'd be some stories: Billy Walters is currently imprisoned at Federal Prison Camp, Pensacola and is scheduled for release on February 14, 2022.
    What, Me Worry?

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I'm truly sorry. If you're a rousing success in the NFL, maybe Billy Walters will recruit you. Then you'll have some non-fiction stories to share with the forum.
    What exactly was your position with the Billy Walters group? Did you get coffee and cake for him in between placing bets without knowing why the bet was being placed. Did you know when he was trying to change the odds when the real money was on a different hopeful winner?

    I love the way two-bit alleged AP’s on assorted anonymous forums seem to always sooner or later when using an example, fall back on the exceptionally rare one-time wonders of other famous AP people. I can’t tell you how many times I heard the names like Billy Walters, Don Johnson, MIT team, Phil Ivey, Doyle Brunson, etc. being used in alleged AP conversation as if their play is equal to their achievements.

    I wonder if the two-bit alleged AP’s on these different forums ever realized that these extremely rare individuals never openly talked anywhere about their strategies until it was exposed. Even then it’s usually in a court room.

  18. #58
    I'm still not clear what caused "security" to ask for anyone's ID. I can understand some "suit" or supervisor being accompanied by security asking for ID, but I can't imagine actual security people acting this way independently of a manager or supervisor.

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    . If you're a rousing success in the NFL, maybe Billy Walters will recruit you. Then you'll have some non-fiction stories to share with the forum.
    They'd be some stories: Billy Walters is currently imprisoned at Federal Prison Camp, Pensacola and is scheduled for release on February 14, 2022.
    Yes, he is. Some people are "retired" in prison. Some still manage to get things done.

    He hired me for a year in 2002. Actually, a couple of his associates (i.e. flunkies) did the hiring. There are a couple of stories.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I'm truly sorry. If you're a rousing success in the NFL, maybe Billy Walters will recruit you. Then you'll have some non-fiction stories to share with the forum.
    What exactly was your position with the Billy Walters group? Did you get coffee and cake for him in between placing bets without knowing why the bet was being placed. Did you know when he was trying to change the odds when the real money was on a different hopeful winner?

    I love the way two-bit alleged AP’s on assorted anonymous forums seem to always sooner or later when using an example, fall back on the exceptionally rare one-time wonders of other famous AP people. I can’t tell you how many times I heard the names like Billy Walters, Don Johnson, MIT team, Phil Ivey, Doyle Brunson, etc. being used in alleged AP conversation as if their play is equal to their achievements.

    I wonder if the two-bit alleged AP’s on these different forums ever realized that these extremely rare individuals never openly talked anywhere about their strategies until it was exposed. Even then it’s usually in a court room.
    Blackhole, I understand that you serve some useful purpose by being this forum's equivalent of the 10th man in the IDF (mentioned in Pitt's "World War Z"), but like Bill Yung, sometimes when you take stabs at actual gambling information, it's clear you have no real idea what you're talking about. Some of Mr. Walters' emphases and strategies are not exactly secrets. At all. There is one law in place in Las Vegas that was put in specifically to deal with him. It's common knowledge what that law is. I'm sure you know it. Or not.

    As for his personality, many people know his style. He is not shy and retiring.

    And there are certain betting strategies that Mr. Walters used that can be "coat-tailed" today if you know what you are doing.

    Sure, if that's want you want to say, I served Mr. Walters coffee cake on Wednesdays. Or strudel. Sometimes we bet on it ("Guys and Dolls"). I had a wonderful reputation as a strudel server, so his lackeys contacted me. It was my grandmother's strudel recipe.

    One problem with the anti-APs on this site is that they don't come cross as experts on anything. It would be helpful to their credibility to display some kind of knowledge of something -- the math of gambling, historical notes on how APs have failed, actual logical points of how this cannot be done and that cannot be done, some direct reportage of fact. When the debunking consists of, "winning can be done short-term as long as it's all short term," or "partial blackjack counts are useless" or "you can't get substantial money offshore," the credibility of the anti's goes to zero.

    You need to get together and hire an expert so your anti-arguments carry some weight.
    Last edited by redietz; 11-11-2018 at 07:49 AM.

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