The rollercoaster that is professional card counting.

[kewlJ]

I suggest that you go back to the website where you paid for the info and post a screen shot, or copy and paste whatever info you paid for.

That has legal ramifications coach belly and I am sure you know that. It violates the terms of the website that I agreed to when purchasing their services as well as possibly opening me up to liability. Again, I am sure you know all this.

You of all people coach belly, who goes searching and searching for things you can use against many of the AP guys, should have looked into it, as I and others on this forum did. Actually, I suspect you did look into, but are just playing your games, trying to get me to do something that can get me into trouble.

[coach belly]

That has legal ramifications coach belly and I am sure you know that. It violates the terms of the website that I agreed to when purchasing their services as well as possibly opening me up to liability.

I've never paid for information on the internet, or agreed not to share.

Post or PM me the website where you paid for this Rob Singer info about food stamps.

I am not afraid of the terms and conditions, legal ramifications or whatever else you fear.

I'll pay the $3 and post whatever info I pay for without consideration of liability.

As a favor to people interested in the truth, I can verify this.

Why are you still hanging around here after making such a big deal about leaving?

You challenged me to catch you soliciting, and I did...so you owe me $10K.

My conditions for these circumstances have always been to settle up face-to-face.

I am looking forward to facing you, ditz.

Can we make this happen?

[redietz]

That has legal ramifications coach belly and I am sure you know that. It violates the terms of the website that I agreed to when purchasing their services as well as possibly opening me up to liability.

I've never paid for information on the internet, or agreed not to share.

Post or PM me the website where you paid for this Rob Singer info about food stamps.

I am not afraid of the terms and conditions, legal ramifications or whatever else you fear.

I'll pay the $3 and post whatever info I pay for without consideration of liability.

As a favor to people interested in the truth, I can verify this.

Why are you still hanging around here after making such a big deal about leaving?

You challenged me to catch you soliciting, and I did...so you owe me $10K.

My conditions for these circumstances have always been to settle up face-to-face.

I am looking forward to facing you, ditz.

Can we make this happen?

You caught me soliciting on a forum? Via email? Via text? Via phone? Sure you did. Post it up. I'll send you my address. Hell, I'll print my address right here and invite everyone.

I'll be at the SoCon Basketball Tournament March 8-10 in Asheville, NC. More than happy to get together then.


Coach -- sitting on evidence I solicited Argentino (or anybody) in the last five years? LOL. Seems to me you'd post it up, you know, as a way to demonstrate my lying and overall bullshit.

[coach belly]

You caught me soliciting on a forum? Sure you did. Post it up.

Here you go...

The Wise Guys Contest plays (www.vegaswiseguys.com) have been publicly available to the public for the last 35 years? And that my having the best college football ATS record in the contest for the cumulative last 30 years is likely not a fluke?

I clicked onto the link that you provided and could not find any confirmation of your 30-year ATS claim above.

I could not find any cumulative results for the last 30 years...but I did find that you finished 17-18-1 in 2014. I'll bet that Rob Singer did better with his picks that year.

It appears that in order to view any results from the 2018 contest a subscription is required.

I consider that a solicitation on your part...you have solicited subscribers on behalf of the website whose link you provided.

You owe me $10K pal.

Moose, Rocco...help the ditz find his checkbook.

[redietz]

Here you go...

The Wise Guys Contest plays (www.vegaswiseguys.com) have been publicly available to the public for the last 35 years? And that my having the best college football ATS record in the contest for the cumulative last 30 years is likely not a fluke?

I clicked onto the link that you provided and could not find any confirmation of your 30-year ATS claim above.

I could not find any cumulative results for the last 30 years...but I did find that you finished 17-18-1 in 2014. I'll bet that Rob Singer did better with his picks that year.

It appears that in order to view any results from the 2018 contest a subscription is required.

I consider that a solicitation on your part...you have solicited subscribers on behalf of the website whose link you provided.

You owe me $10K pal.

Moose, Rocco...help the ditz find his checkbook.

That was beyond lame. I derive zero income from Playbook other than contest winnings. And yes, my income taxes demonstrate that.

I also recommend Kroger as a good place to shop. I derive no income from Kroger, either. I recommend Precision Auto in Johnson City as a good car repair shop. I derive no income from Precision, either. And I recommend the Tuscany as a nice place to stay off-strip in Las Vegas. Unfortunately, they don't tip me.

Coach, I find it hilarious that you quote a 17-18-1 record as a horrific outcome. You've gotta be kidding. You do realize it's a pat on my back that that's the worst record you could come up with? I've been in the contest 30 years or thereabouts. Ask Dan if he'd take a 17-18-1 record (based on Monday lines only) as his worst record in three decades. LOL. I have a big secret for you, coach. Way back when, probably in the '80's, I had a 17-19 record, too! Wow - what a failure!

Man, you know nothing. I have said gazillions of times I have losing years (that really was not one of them in terms of sports gambling, but I digress). I actually won that season -- not great, but eked out a small profit. The Wise Guys record that year was what it was. And no, there's no guarantee anyone picking two games a week would have had a better record. Historically (and I've been doing this since 1979), I have a losing season every six to seven years. This isn't magic. It requires expertise. Now it just so happens that currently I haven't actually lost in more than a decade, but there have been a couple of marginal years in there where not much was accomplished.

Just lame, coach. I've been on this forum and LVA and LVAdvice for literally decades and you can't come up with a single example of me PMing someone or emailing someone or texting someone or calling someone to recruit a client? You would think someone somewhere would have something bad to say about me, or report it, or complain about a losing year or scam, but you didn't find anything?

Even Kroger gets a bad review occasionally. And Precision Auto.

And if you think I'm scared of meeting you? LOL. PM me your name -- I'll furnish my address. Even better -- furnish me your address, and I'll be happy to visit. As I said, I'll be at the SoCon tournament March 8-10. I'll be attending the Senior Olympics in Albuquerque in June; we could get together then. Or schedule a meet-up with Dan in Las Vegas during the summer. I'll show. And I'll hire a videographer. We can have a sit down and film it. I'll be doing a podcast by then. I'll be more than happy to share your expertise with the world.

The thing about you and Argentino -- you either shelled out a couple of bucks and checked on him, but couldn't find the food stamps stuff, or you didn't check on him. You have a guy peddling million-dollar-profit martingale video poker stories, and your focus is me, who's been publicly monitored for 30 years? Do you know how out-and-out foolish that appears?

P.S. Coach, you realize if you had asked me, I could have provided all 50 Wise Guys and the contest standings week-to-week gratis. Although things must be tight in the belly household, I'm here to help. God forbid, you blow $50 on 18 weeks of reports.

[coach belly]

Coach, I find it hilarious that you quote a 17-18-1 record as a horrific outcome...that's the worst record you could come up with?

if you had asked me, I could have provided all 50 Wise Guys and the contest standings week-to-week gratis.

You've been asked many times to provide any manor of proof of your claims...results, standings, links, etc...and each time you have declined to provide anything.

In this instance, after having been called out by Singer for essentially past-posting your football picks, you replied with the following:

Will someone remind Mr. Argentino that The Wise Guys Contest plays (www.vegaswiseguys.com) have been publicly available to the public for the last 35 years? And that my having the best college football ATS record in the contest for the cumulative last 30 years is likely not a fluke?

The link you provided to substantiate your plays and record requires a paid subscription to view what you referenced. You didn't recommend the vegaswiseguys site, you provided the link for readers to research your claims.

You could have provided whatever you proof you have gratis...but you didn't do that, you provided a link that requires a paid subscription. That's soliciting.

The 2014 results are the only results available without a subscription at the link you provided. I didn't "come up" with them, you sent them to me.

Go right ahead and PM me your address if you want...you've already PMd me multiple times, so what's stopping you this time?

I like the idea of a summer meeting, and an appearance on your podcast.

I'll be in LV for 10 days wrapped around Memorial Day weekend.

You owe me $10 grand...don't forget your checkbook

[redietz]

Coach, I find it hilarious that you quote a 17-18-1 record as a horrific outcome...that's the worst record you could come up with?

if you had asked me, I could have provided all 50 Wise Guys and the contest standings week-to-week gratis.

You've been asked many times to provide any manor of proof of your claims...results, standings, links, etc...and each time you have declined to provide anything.

In this instance, after having been called out by Singer for essentially past-posting your football picks, you replied with the following:

Will someone remind Mr. Argentino that The Wise Guys Contest plays (www.vegaswiseguys.com) have been publicly available to the public for the last 35 years? And that my having the best college football ATS record in the contest for the cumulative last 30 years is likely not a fluke?

The link you provided to substantiate your plays and record requires a paid subscription to view what you referenced. You didn't recommend the vegaswiseguys site, you provided the link for readers to research your claims.

You could have provided whatever you proof you have gratis...but you didn't do that, you provided a link that requires a paid subscription. That's soliciting.

The 2014 results are the only results available without a subscription at the link you provided. I didn't "come up" with them, you sent them to me.

Go right ahead and PM me your address if you want...you've already PMd me multiple times, so what's stopping you this time?

I like the idea of a summer meeting, and an appearance on your podcast.

I'll be in LV for 10 days wrapped around Memorial Day weekend.

You owe me $10 grand...don't forget your checkbook

Coach belly is, of course, incorrect. The "Retro Road Trip" thread has standings from McCusker Reports featuring my winning the college football profit title three times, which nobody else had done. The "Tipsters or Gypsters?" thread under Sports and Sports Betting explains what the McCusker Reports were about. My finishes in the Heritage Sports Race to the Super Bowl can be verified by calling Heritage Sports and asking for the list of winners. I also PMed the link to Alan Mendelson. I happen to have the McCusker Reports, as did other posters here, which list multi-year records for handicappers. The Wise Guys standings are a matter of public record dating back 30 years.

So you couldn't find a single instance of me soliciting via PM or text or phone or email through 35 years of doing business and decades on LVA, LVAdvice, and here? Why do you think that is?

I thought you had some intellectual heft to you, but I was wrong. You're just lame. If you gamble like you do research, no wonder you have issues.

[coach belly]

The "Retro Road Trip" thread has standings from McCusker Reports

I couldn't find those standings, can you provide a link to that post?

The "Tipsters or Gypsters?" thread under Sports and Sports Betting explains what the McCusker Reports were about. My finishes in the Heritage Sports Race to the Super Bowl can be verified by calling Heritage Sports and asking for the list of winners. I also PMed the link to Alan Mendelson. I happen to have the McCusker Reports, as did other posters here, which list multi-year records for handicappers. The Wise Guys standings are a matter of public record dating back 30 years.

Explaining what the McCusker Report is about is not providing standings or results.

Advising readers to call Heritage Sports is not providing results.

PMing Alan is not providing information to the forum.

Whatever information or records that is in your copies of the McCusker Reports hasn't been produced here.

The Wise Guys standings are available by subscription only, it's a private site.
The only results available to the public are from 2014.

CONTESTANT FINAL W-L
BOB DIETZ 17-18-1

You've been asked many times to provide any manor of proof of your claims...results, standings, links, etc...and each time you have declined to provide anything.

You never post any results or standings that I can find, for whatever reason you have made an effort to avoid providing the info.

[redietz]

I couldn't find those standings, can you provide a link to that post?



Explaining what the McCusker Report is about is not providing standings or results.

Advising readers to call Heritage Sports is not providing results.

PMing Alan is not providing information to the forum.

Whatever information or records that is in your copies of the McCusker Reports hasn't been produced here.

The Wise Guys standings are available by subscription only, it's a private site.
The only results available to the public are from 2014.

CONTESTANT FINAL W-L
BOB DIETZ 17-18-1

You've been asked many times to provide any manor of proof of your claims...results, standings, links, etc...and each time you have declined to provide anything.

You never post any results or standings that I can find, for whatever reason you have made an effort to avoid providing the info.

LOL. The McCusker Report standings are in black and white in the "Retro Road Trip" thread. Bob Dietz's Integrity Sports. As I said, if your gambling prowess matches your research skills, I understand why you have issues.

Because the football season is finished, I imagine the vegaswiseguys.com defaulted to an old splash panel. The overall site is Playbook.com. We've gone through this before. All you have to do is call them. I apologize in advance if you have to pay ten bucks or something to access the final report. It may be free if you ask nicely. I don't know. Maybe you could wait until July and pick up the Playbook Football Annual at Barnes and Noble. No, better not do that. I think the price went up to twelve bucks. I suggest you call them and negotiate a discount. You know, coach, originally I thought you were a failed lawyer or (not failed) casino exec. But man, you increasingly sound as if you're 16 years old on your good days.

Meanwhile, if anyone besides coach wants to take a look at the final 2019 Wise Guys standings for last year, let me know. If you provide an email, I can send it to you. Note: I finished 21-15, losing both final week games by half a point each. Gambling-wise, I didn't actually lose them, but the contest is based on Monday night lines that are locked, so in the contest I lost them. I finished 19th out of 50. I think I already told regnis this stuff, so I'm not exactly shy about it. As a group, the 50 Wise Guys had an awesome record this year. Either the best or second best since I've been in the contest.

[mickeycrimm]

That has legal ramifications coach belly and I am sure you know that. It violates the terms of the website that I agreed to when purchasing their services as well as possibly opening me up to liability.

I've never paid for information on the internet, or agreed not to share.

Post or PM me the website where you paid for this Rob Singer info about food stamps.

I am not afraid of the terms and conditions, legal ramifications or whatever else you fear.

I'll pay the $3 and post whatever info I pay for without consideration of liability.

As a favor to people interested in the truth, I can verify this.

Why are you still hanging around here after making such a big deal about leaving?

You challenged me to catch you soliciting, and I did...so you owe me $10K.

My conditions for these circumstances have always been to settle up face-to-face.

I am looking forward to facing you, ditz.

Can we make this happen?

Put up the proof idiot. Your word isn't worth shit. Proof, idiot.