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[Dankyone]

He hasn’t answered because he doesn’t understand the difference. Remember he thinks rebates have no value.

[Alan Mendelson]

He hasn’t answered because he doesn’t understand the difference. Remember he thinks rebates have no value.

Does this comment refer to me? When did I say rebates have no value? Why do you lie?

Rebates definitely have a value. They keep you playing longer when your bets lose.

[18 Yos LOLZ]

He hasn’t answered because he doesn’t understand the difference. Remember he thinks rebates have no value.

Does this comment refer to me? When did I say rebates have no value? Why do you lie?

Rebates definitely have a value. They keep you playing longer when your bets lose.

You truly are the dumbest fuck that ever lived. It’s mind-boggling.

[MaxPen]

Alan is the quintessential casino consumer. God love him. All hail, one of the many pensioners bestowing riches into the coffers of their local casino. Without Alan's, AP would not be possible. Personally, I am thankful for Alan and any like him.

*Disclaimer-

Alan is still a Tard

[AxelWolf]

Here is what Alan has to say about loss rebates he added this "article" to his Bestbuy website. I can see why Alan (one of the worst video poker players I have seen aside from blind people) dosnt understand the value of a loss rebate.

Alan M.
ARE CASINO LOSS REBATES AN ADVANTAGE PLAY?

Update July 14, 2017 Sometimes a casino will offer a rebate on losses to sign-up new players for its loyalty program or players club. The rebate on losses could be small -- perhaps just $20 in the case of some bars in Vegas that have slot machines -- or they could be as large as $500 or $1000 at some of the Vegas Strip casinos. Should you make use of these rebates, and play with a loss rebate in mind? It depends.

The first thing to consider are the terms of the loss rebate. Is the rebate available on the games you play or are they limited to games you don't play? If you play video poker but video poker is excluded from the loss rebate promotion do you want to play slots just for a loss rebate?

How is the rebate paid? This is probably the most important factor. Is the rebate paid in cash -- as in a true rebate on your loss? Or, is the rebate paid in free-play which means you have to run the "free play" through the machines again trying your luck. Free play could hit big -- or it could lose, you just don't know.

In the case of free play, do you get it immediately or do you have to return to the casino a week later? If you are from out of town and visiting Vegas for three days, and the free play rebate won't be given to you till a week later, what good is it?

And is the free-play rebate payable to you in one installment or two? Are the installments a week apart? If they are paid a week apart it would take two additional trips to the casino over two weeks to claim the free play.

The most important point to remember about loss rebates is that you have to lose money to get them. And, once you lose the money, what do you think your chances are that you'll win the money back using the free play?

If you lose $1,000 and are given $500 of free play over the next two visits how will use the free play and what are the chances of winning back the original $1,000 you lost?

What is the cost of returning to the casino? Do you pay for valet parking? Is it a casino you actually will return to and want to return to? Is the free play usable on the games you want to play?

Casino loss rebates can be attractive but they involve certain costs and risks. Consider them carefully. Personally, I don't want to lose $500 or $1,000 with the hope that I will recover that money later with free play over the next week or two.

[Dankyone]

He hasn’t answered because he doesn’t understand the difference. Remember he thinks rebates have no value.

Does this comment refer to me? When did I say rebates have no value? Why do you lie?

Rebates definitely have a value. They keep you playing longer when your bets lose.

You truly are the dumbest fuck that ever lived. It’s mind-boggling.

Yes, Alan, you really are dumber than a rock. I used to give you the benefit of the doubt but no more.

You have argued for years that rebates have no value.

Now it sounds like you are trying to say they somehow have negative value.

I truly have no further interest in talking to a brick wall.

[Alan Mendelson]

Absolute bullshit. Post one link you liar, dipshitone.

Look at the link Axel posted. Especially the last paragraph.

[Alan Mendelson]

Here is what Alan has to say about loss rebates he added this "article" to his Bestbuy website. I can see why Alan (one of the worst video poker players I have seen aside from blind people) dosnt understand the value of a loss rebate.

Alan M.
ARE CASINO LOSS REBATES AN ADVANTAGE PLAY?

Update July 14, 2017 Sometimes a casino will offer a rebate on losses to sign-up new players for its loyalty program or players club. The rebate on losses could be small -- perhaps just $20 in the case of some bars in Vegas that have slot machines -- or they could be as large as $500 or $1000 at some of the Vegas Strip casinos. Should you make use of these rebates, and play with a loss rebate in mind? It depends.

The first thing to consider are the terms of the loss rebate. Is the rebate available on the games you play or are they limited to games you don't play? If you play video poker but video poker is excluded from the loss rebate promotion do you want to play slots just for a loss rebate?

How is the rebate paid? This is probably the most important factor. Is the rebate paid in cash -- as in a true rebate on your loss? Or, is the rebate paid in free-play which means you have to run the "free play" through the machines again trying your luck. Free play could hit big -- or it could lose, you just don't know.

In the case of free play, do you get it immediately or do you have to return to the casino a week later? If you are from out of town and visiting Vegas for three days, and the free play rebate won't be given to you till a week later, what good is it?

And is the free-play rebate payable to you in one installment or two? Are the installments a week apart? If they are paid a week apart it would take two additional trips to the casino over two weeks to claim the free play.

The most important point to remember about loss rebates is that you have to lose money to get them. And, once you lose the money, what do you think your chances are that you'll win the money back using the free play?

If you lose $1,000 and are given $500 of free play over the next two visits how will use the free play and what are the chances of winning back the original $1,000 you lost?

What is the cost of returning to the casino? Do you pay for valet parking? Is it a casino you actually will return to and want to return to? Is the free play usable on the games you want to play?

Casino loss rebates can be attractive but they involve certain costs and risks. Consider them carefully. Personally, I don't want to lose $500 or $1,000 with the hope that I will recover that money later with free play over the next week or two.

Thank you for posting Axel. I forgot all about this.

Dipshitone, where does it say rebates have no value?

[tableplay]

Hi tableplay.

Believe me, I’m on your side, but this analysis is overly simplistic and does not account for the fact that VP is not a win/lose game. Not every winning hand pays the same. Do you ever play video poker?

Alan doesn’t understand your math anyway, but please try again.

The analysis is accurate and takes this into account - The 1st term of the equation is the expected value (weighted average) of all the non-losing outcomes as shown in the attached screenshot and has a value of $53.65. The only other term in the expected value equation is the value for the losing outcome which is -$54.49 (no loss rebate value).
Which is to say $53.65=ExpectedValue_of_nonlosinghands=p(NRF)*NRF_ win_for_$100bet + p(strflush)*strFlush_win_for_$100bet + p(4Aces)*4Aces_win_for_$100bet + p(four23or4s)*four23or4s_win_for_$100bet + p(four5thruKings)*four5thrukings_win_for_$100bet + p(fullhouse)*fullhouse_win_for_$100bet + p(flush)*flush_win_for_$100bet + p(straight)*straight_win_for_$100bet + p(threeofakind)*threeofakind_win_for_$100bet + p(twopair)*twopair_win_for_$100bet + p(jacksorbetter)*jacksorbetter_win_for_$100bet . If you still don't believe me, you can plug in the spreadsheet values shown in the screen shot or derive the values and equation yourself to see that I am factoring in all of the possible outcomes in the paytable when coming up with the loss rebate value. I figured it would be easier just to give the end result of the non-losing hands since they are unaffected by the loss rebate. Anyhow I think you also asked me if I had ever played video poker before and the answer is yes.

[AxelWolf]

Here is what Alan has to say about loss rebates he added this "article" to his Bestbuy website. I can see why Alan (one of the worst video poker players I have seen aside from blind people) dosnt understand the value of a loss rebate.

Alan M.
ARE CASINO LOSS REBATES AN ADVANTAGE PLAY?

Update July 14, 2017 Sometimes a casino will offer a rebate on losses to sign-up new players for its loyalty program or players club. The rebate on losses could be small -- perhaps just $20 in the case of some bars in Vegas that have slot machines -- or they could be as large as $500 or $1000 at some of the Vegas Strip casinos. Should you make use of these rebates, and play with a loss rebate in mind? It depends.

The first thing to consider are the terms of the loss rebate. Is the rebate available on the games you play or are they limited to games you don't play? If you play video poker but video poker is excluded from the loss rebate promotion do you want to play slots just for a loss rebate?

How is the rebate paid? This is probably the most important factor. Is the rebate paid in cash -- as in a true rebate on your loss? Or, is the rebate paid in free-play which means you have to run the "free play" through the machines again trying your luck. Free play could hit big -- or it could lose, you just don't know.

In the case of free play, do you get it immediately or do you have to return to the casino a week later? If you are from out of town and visiting Vegas for three days, and the free play rebate won't be given to you till a week later, what good is it?

And is the free-play rebate payable to you in one installment or two? Are the installments a week apart? If they are paid a week apart it would take two additional trips to the casino over two weeks to claim the free play.

The most important point to remember about loss rebates is that you have to lose money to get them. And, once you lose the money, what do you think your chances are that you'll win the money back using the free play?

If you lose $1,000 and are given $500 of free play over the next two visits how will use the free play and what are the chances of winning back the original $1,000 you lost?

What is the cost of returning to the casino? Do you pay for valet parking? Is it a casino you actually will return to and want to return to? Is the free play usable on the games you want to play?

Casino loss rebates can be attractive but they involve certain costs and risks. Consider them carefully. Personally, I don't want to lose $500 or $1,000 with the hope that I will recover that money later with free play over the next week or two.

Thank you for posting Axel. I forgot all about this.

Dipshitone, where does it say rebates have no value?

I didn't say, you said it had no value. From the tone of that piece of crap "article," it seems as if you put very little value on loss rebates. IMO you should NOT be writing articles about gaming since you are still very ignorant when it comes to gambling after all these years. You do a disservice to newbs, especially since that comes up 6th when you do a google search for casino loss rebates.

[Alan Mendelson]

Obviously I have some credibility with Google. Thanks again Axel. But I think my advice about what to consider with loss rebates is fair.

[Elaine M]

Obviously I have some credibility with Google. Thanks again Axel. But I think my advice about what to consider with loss rebates is fair.

You certainly do...I googled “Biggest deadbeat morons walking the planet Earth”, and your name popped right up

[mickeycrimm]

Per the article, Alan doesn't want to "lose $500 or $1000 with the hope that I will recover it with freeplay over the next week or two." But he has no problem losing $500 or $1000 with nothing working to recover any of it.

[redietz]

Obviously I have some credibility with Google. Thanks again Axel. But I think my advice about what to consider with loss rebates is fair.

Interesting choice of words. "Fair." Fair to whom?

Your article has no mention of the mathematical consequences of using rebates versus not using rebates. The article is not accurate or honest mathematically. The article makes no mention of what occurs when someone plays and wins, whether that win is a timed event or based on hitting a jackpot. There is no mention of those outcomes. There is no mathematical analysis of the odds of finishing ahead either through timing, jackpot win, or winning via free play. Not even a discussion of the possibility, much less percentage models.

So, in terms of being "just, open-minded, equitable, honest," the article is definitely not "fair." Unless you consider the quality of the article -- a C-minus or D plus. Then the article would, I suppose, make the grade of "fair."

[Mission146]

Obviously I have some credibility with Google. Thanks again Axel. But I think my advice about what to consider with loss rebates is fair.

Search Engine Optimization and knowing what the fuck you are talking are not the same thing.

The only parts of that article which are good are the points you made about when will you get the rebate and in how many installments.

[kewlJ]

Obviously I have some credibility with Google.

Alan, it is a know fact that if someone tells a lie often enough, it gains traction. Sadly, in your quest to remain relevant, this is your entire existence. Google numbers have to do with volume, how often people are looking up and reading your mis-truths and mis-information. It has nothing to do with credibility, because you have no credibility with anyone, in the gambling community that has half a brain.

But I think my advice about what to consider with loss rebates is fair.

Almost any gambling advise or point that you make is wrong and in that sense, VERY unfair to newer players seeking legitimate information.


Alan isn't today "payday" for you being that the 1st and 3rd fall on a weekend and holiday? Time to hit the casinos isn't it? Beeline to Red Rock. Maybe you can lose all your September money and be broke before Sept 1 even hits. Slappy, better run right over to Alans and get anything you are hoping to get in terms of money owed you.

[Alan Mendelson]

Per the article, Alan doesn't want to "lose $500 or $1000 with the hope that I will recover it with freeplay over the next week or two." But he has no problem losing $500 or $1000 with nothing working to recover any of it.

Did I say that mickeymouse?

[Half Smoke]

Zeebabar is a real person, Moses. Hard to believe, I know. I know this because I have seen his entry and picture in O.S.N. Devastating entry, with a very clear picture, precisely because he is such an idiot.

IIRC Zee asked quite a while ago about OSN on bjtf and I'm pretty sure he knows he is in there. The very interesting thing is that it has not stopped him from continuing to play and win if you believe his posts which I do. Nobody could invent the nonsense he comes up with. Probably he's allowed to continue playing because he's a small fry and probably it's been realized that he's not much of a threat. If he ever tried to up his max bet to $300 or more and began playing very efficiently I would surmise that he'd be 86ed very quickly in many places.

[Alan Mendelson]

Obviously I have some credibility with Google. Thanks again Axel. But I think my advice about what to consider with loss rebates is fair.

Interesting choice of words. "Fair." Fair to whom?

Your article has no mention of the mathematical consequences of using rebates versus not using rebates. The article is not accurate or honest mathematically. The article makes no mention of what occurs when someone plays and wins, whether that win is a timed event or based on hitting a jackpot. There is no mention of those outcomes. There is no mathematical analysis of the odds of finishing ahead either through timing, jackpot win, or winning via free play. Not even a discussion of the possibility, much less percentage models.

So, in terms of being "just, open-minded, equitable, honest," the article is definitely not "fair." Unless you consider the quality of the article -- a C-minus or D plus. Then the article would, I suppose, make the grade of "fair."

Redietz does every article require mathematical analysis?

By the way, I did a Google search for you and your famous sports betting accomplishments, articles, wins, etc and nothing came up under R E Dietz. What search terms should I be using?

[Moses]

Making a decision on one number and a deck estimate doesn't seem like sound judgement to me. However, there are some lost sole's that continue to kick that can on other blackjack forums. There are also some very savvy players. You take the good with the bad. But it's mostly bad.