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[coach belly]

a stomach full of jizz and an extra $20 bill in his pocket.

How much does Elaine pay to get her stomach filled?

[Alan Mendelson]

I think part of Rob's strategy is NOT being a long term player. Gosh, he has win goals. Oh my! How horrible!

Didn't I recall some of the APs saying there's nothing wrong with a win goal when you play a -EV game?

Well, there you have it. Rob plays -EV games and has win goals and there is no tooth fairy.

[Alan Mendelson]

When -EV video poker players play at high limits such as $25/coin they can win big. What's the argument?

The argument is only that APs have the position that over the long term you can't beat -EV games... and they are correct.

Rob Singer has not beaten -EV video poker, but he has won money at it.

Geesh. Can I spell it out any more clearly than that?

[jbjb]

Rob Singer has not beaten -EV video poker, but he has won money at it.

Highly highly highly doubtful.

[kewlJ]

Rob Singer has not beaten -EV video poker, but he has won money at it.

Highly highly highly doubtful.

It's not doubtful. It is complete nonsense. It is just fantasyland shit. Twilight Zone, alternative reality, against the math, nonsense.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob Singer has not beaten -EV video poker, but he has won money at it.

Highly highly highly doubtful.

It's not doubtful. It is complete nonsense. It is just fantasyland shit. Twilight Zone, alternative reality, against the math, nonsense.

You are just being ridiculous. He's playing for the most part video poker at $125 on every push of the button. On 8/5 Bonus which is his primary game a full house pays $1,000 and any quad pays a minimum of $3,125.

And you think he can't hit a win goal of $2500 each time he plays?

LOL

He's not looking for abandoned multipliers on 25-cent Ultimate X machines.

[kewlJ]

Highly highly highly doubtful.

It's not doubtful. It is complete nonsense. It is just fantasyland shit. Twilight Zone, alternative reality, against the math, nonsense.

You are just being ridiculous. He's playing for the most part video poker at $125 on every push of the button. On 8/5 Bonus which is his primary game a full house pays $1,000 and any quad pays a minimum of $3,125.

And you think he can't hit a win goal of $2500 each time he plays?

LOL

It is YOU that continues to be ridiculous Alan. You cannot win longterm playing a negative expectation game.....PERIOD! Winning a million + dollars over 10 years (or is it 1.5 million now? I forget what Rob's latest claim is) just can NOT happen, playing -EV. No matter what you say....no matter what Rob or Harry or whatever his name is says....It is mathematically impossible, Alan.

The sad thing is that I don't think this Rob Singer person is stupid. Although the machine telepathing him information makes me want to re-think that.

This person knows damn well, that his claim is impossible. But he is a scammer. That is his thing. And while he is not stupid, nor believes his nonsensical claims, he has managed to find 3 or 4 people that are stupid enough to buy his load of crap. Mendelson, YOU are one of those morons. All you continue to do is embarrass yourself. In the end, even this Rob/Harry person is laughing at you.

[Alan Mendelson]

He's not playing long term. That's your first mistake.

Your second mistake is that you got snookered by his talk about his system and you never asked the real question. So I'll ask it for you:

ROB: HOW OFTEN HAVE YOU REACHED YOUR $2500 WIN GOAL AT THE $1 OR $2 LEVEL?

I'll tell you right now, Rob has hit a $2500 win goal as often as anyone else after hitting a royal at $1 or $2.

He reaches his $2500 win goal because he plays at high limits and has the discipline to quit. That's what you call voodoo.

The other point you overlook is that his million dollars was over ten years. It wasn't in one day or one year. Ten years of playing high limit video poker. Is that really so unbelieveable?

[kewlJ]

Alan, I don't care about $2500 win goals. That is nonsense.

Your problem is that you think you can take many short term results and add them up to a longterm result. THAT is not the way it works. A player could hit 2 of 3 black on the roulette wheel, no problem. He may even do that several days in a row. But he cannot do that longterm. He can NOT hit 20,000 out of 30,000, or even 2000 out of 3000. You thinking he can, by continuing to hit 2 of 3 in the short term, over and over and over, is just fantasyland stuff. That is not the way real life and real math works.

Boy....the casinos must love you. If I ran a casino that you frequented, I couldn't give you enough money, because there is no amount that you wouldn't lose back and then some. Vegas was built from players like you.

[kewlJ]

As for this Harry / Rob person, he claims to have been a top executive...VP for a major corporation. I have no idea if that is true or not. Generally, I tend to believe people until they give me a reason not to. Based on almost everything else he says, being untrue, This story too is hard to believe.

BUT, it doesn't even matter. It doesn't matter one bit if he was a successful executive, with a very handsome retirement package. Or a retired successful executive that has blown through a good portion of his handsome retirement package. Or even some struggling retiree with no pension/retirement, struggling to get by on Social security, welfare and food stamps that he knows so much about, and running from financial legal judgements and evictions.

Non of that even matters. What matters is one simple FACT. His claims of winning a million dollars playing -EV video poker, using a progressive betting system and stop limits are BULLSHIT. Mathematically impossible. Get that through you freaking head Alan.

[Alan Mendelson]

There you go again kewlj saying you can't add short term results to get a long term result. Stop talking about the long term. Just try to focus on a bunch of short term wins.

[kewlJ]

There you go again kewlj saying you can't add short term results to get a long term result. Stop talking about the long term. Just try to focus on a bunch of short term wins.

Oh my goodness. Alan just save a step and have your SS and pension sent directly to Red Rock Casino.

[Alan Mendelson]

You can insult me all you want because that's all you have -- insults. When you run out of points to make you insult.

Insult. Insult. Insult.

Your insults mean nothing to me.

[redietz]

KewlJ, the guy's just yanking your chain in the middle of the night because it doesn't cost anything.

Besides, I argue the same thing all of the time. When I'm haunting a Boyd buffet for seven or eight hours, the attendants point to the sign that says, "Two hour limit." I gently explain that every hour and a half, I walk out of the buffet to the restroom directly outside, then I come back in. So I'm never really at the buffet for more than two straight hours. I do the same thing at Golden Corral, except I go outside and catch a breath of fresh air before returning for my eight-hour hog-a-thon.

Now some argue that the calories actually add up in my stomach, but I tell them that each time I walk up to the food itself is a separate event, none connected with each other. So 800 calories ingested on the first trip is certainly within recommended guidelines and has nothing to do with the 1500 calories on the second trip (pasta) or the third trip to barbecue (1200 calories) and certainly nothing at all to do with dessert (don't ask). See, there is no long term if you say it's all short term.

It's exactly the same with video poker. I can't understand why you don't get this. Of course, my scale may eventually say that it's all one reality, but who you gonna believe, the scale or yourself? Argentino probably experiences the same thing vis-à-vis money. But you can't let pesky things like living in RVs define your reality. I say toss them in the scrap heap, along with the scale.

Now pardon me, Golden Corral opens at 9 AM, and I need to rest up. I'll be eating 17 sessions today...all of them winners.

[Alan Mendelson]

KewlJ, the guy's just yanking your chain in the middle of the night because it doesn't cost anything.

Besides, I argue the same thing all of the time. When I'm haunting a Boyd buffet for seven or eight hours, the attendants point to the sign that says, "Two hour limit." I gently explain that every hour and a half, I walk out of the buffet to the restroom directly outside, then I come back in. So I'm never really at the buffet for more than two straight hours. I do the same thing at Golden Corral, except I go outside and catch a breath of fresh air before returning for my eight-hour hog-a-thon.

Now some argue that the calories actually add up in my stomach, but I tell them that each time I walk up to the food itself is a separate event, none connected with each other. So 800 calories ingested on the first trip is certainly within recommended guidelines and has nothing to do with the 1500 calories on the second trip (pasta) or the third trip to barbecue (1200 calories) and certainly nothing at all to do with dessert (don't ask). See, there is no long term if you say it's all short term.

It's exactly the same with video poker. I can't understand why you don't get this. Of course, my scale may eventually say that it's all one reality, but who you gonna believe, the scale or yourself? Argentino probably experiences the same thing vis-à-vis money. But you can't let pesky things like living in RVs define your reality. I say toss them in the scrap heap, along with the scale.

Now pardon me, Golden Corral opens at 9 AM, and I need to rest up. I'll be eating 17 sessions today...all of them winners.

I know you're trying to be sarcastic but in reality if you really pulled this off you'd have multiple meals for one price. And if you added up the value of the multiple meals you would, in effect, be adding up multiple win goals with one entry fee.

Congratulations. You came up with another explanation of what Singer does reaching multiple win goals with multiple short term sessions.

Brilliant.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj please clarify this for me. If Rob Singer said he only played 10/6 Double Double Bonus (available at Red Rock) you'd have NO dispute with any claims that he won money playing video poker?

[Elaine M]

Kewlj please clarify this for me. If Rob Singer said he only played 10/6 Double Double Bonus (available at Red Rock) you'd have NO dispute with any claims that he won money playing video poker?

You’d be a lot better off concentrating on paying your son back than you do to this nonsense....focus dummy

[redietz]

KewlJ, the guy's just yanking your chain in the middle of the night because it doesn't cost anything.

Besides, I argue the same thing all of the time. When I'm haunting a Boyd buffet for seven or eight hours, the attendants point to the sign that says, "Two hour limit." I gently explain that every hour and a half, I walk out of the buffet to the restroom directly outside, then I come back in. So I'm never really at the buffet for more than two straight hours. I do the same thing at Golden Corral, except I go outside and catch a breath of fresh air before returning for my eight-hour hog-a-thon.

Now some argue that the calories actually add up in my stomach, but I tell them that each time I walk up to the food itself is a separate event, none connected with each other. So 800 calories ingested on the first trip is certainly within recommended guidelines and has nothing to do with the 1500 calories on the second trip (pasta) or the third trip to barbecue (1200 calories) and certainly nothing at all to do with dessert (don't ask). See, there is no long term if you say it's all short term.

It's exactly the same with video poker. I can't understand why you don't get this. Of course, my scale may eventually say that it's all one reality, but who you gonna believe, the scale or yourself? Argentino probably experiences the same thing vis-à-vis money. But you can't let pesky things like living in RVs define your reality. I say toss them in the scrap heap, along with the scale.

Now pardon me, Golden Corral opens at 9 AM, and I need to rest up. I'll be eating 17 sessions today...all of them winners.

I know you're trying to be sarcastic but in reality if you really pulled this off you'd have multiple meals for one price. And if you added up the value of the multiple meals you would, in effect, be adding up multiple win goals with one entry fee.

Congratulations. You came up with another explanation of what Singer does reaching multiple win goals with multiple short term sessions.

Brilliant.

Thanks so much. You grasp everything perfectly. Of course, there are the occasional days when I ingest some particularly bad potato salad, or when the hummus and ice cream don't quite mix. On those days I spew 8000 or 9000 calories, sometimes twice that, all over the nice tile floor of the Orleans buffet. Sometimes it's greenish; sometimes many colors. I didn't mention that because I don't want to scare away my students or potential students. So mum's the word.

People, of course, ask me that since I've mastered my session eating, why don't I enter professional food eating competitions. I tell them that I'm retired. I don't need the money. Still others ask me, if my session eating is successful, why don't I move the venue to Emeril's or Michael's. I explain, between burps, that I don't need the calories. Emeril's or Michael's food would be too rich for me. No need to be too rich, after all.

Of course, we have the perpetual critics who claim to have witnessed four pounds of barf exploding all over my Golden Corral table. To those people, I say, "Prove it." Bring me the paper towels my family used to clean me up. Show me the underwear stains from blowing bad potato salad out both ends of me. Because until you do, the idea that a person could not ingest 24000 calories a day is unproven. And I'm all about proof. In fact, I'll be giving a roundtable lecture with Joey Chestnut at the next Major League Eating conference. Unless they don't allow me. Then the lecture will be from my private suite. In a hotel somewhere. Probably.

Until next time, look for me in my glorious food truck, somewhere between South Dakota and Phoenix. I haven't left the truck since I cornered the market on Mennonite donut recipes. Mmmmmm good.

[regnis]

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG??

There is no way that this wager can be done on a long term basis. So unless there is some number of "sessions" that the sides can agree upon, the event is not going to happen. So the only remaining thing to do is see if the sides can agree upon that number. Otherwise, we are just wasting time. Although I guess any time spent here anymore is a waste of time, other than a small bit of comic relief and a very few tidbits of actual useful information.

[Alan Mendelson]

The wager will never happen. Even before escrow deposits are made Rob has to advertise it with the conditions in two newspapers.

The ads by themselves with the conditions could cost hundreds of dollars each.