Video Poker Plays

[monet]

Of course you're going to go from 500 to 1500 when you hit quad 2s because that pays 1000. Duh.

Sorry Monet but there's nothing special about your play. And yes I agree you can have a run of quads just like you can have a run without quads.

I went more than a year without a royal then in one weekend I hit two of them. Dan didn't believe me but he was at Caesars the same weekend and I met him at Nobu to show him the W2Gs.

Stuff happens good and bad.

The bottom line is we're all playing the same games and the same way. Even Rob -- even Rob with all his talk is playing the same games you play and using the same holds you use. And his talk about "special plays"? Yeah... except that 95%+ of the time he plays the same way you do and Dancer does and Mickeycrimm too.

Everybody is grandstanding and that's the bottom line. In the end we are all playing against the casino.

You are doing me a favor and a service as well as your buddy Rob.
When you guys say that I have nothing special in my posts and I am lying and a loser it is good for me.
Most people will agree with you and move on or discredit me.
This actually helps me so I have no problem with it.
I hope you can actually keep getting your comped juice and enjoy your dice game.
You are dead to me.
Wise Up.

[Rob.Singer]

How does one "generate huge losses on specific cards"....while, I assume, generating huge wins on other specific cards? What's the ap trick here?

If this can be done, I'm just bringing my cards that huge wins can be generated on.

[Alan Mendelson]

Monet you're not lying and I'm not saying you're a loser either.

Really what I'm saying is that the concept of "advantage pkay" is all BS.

What it comes down to is this: either you play smart or you don't.

I think you play smart. You play the best paytables, you use cards, you use free play, you look for bonuses. And frankly we all do.

Advantage is a misnomer. We have no advantage.

Kewlj is a counter. That makes him smart. Advantage? Does he or anyone else believe they have an advantage over the casino?

Rob is also a smart player. But his way of playing while different than most is also smart.

Be smart. Play smart. There are all kinds of ways to do it.

[RS__]

Really what I'm saying is that the concept of "advantage pkay" is all BS.

Advantage is a misnomer. We have no advantage.

Weren't you just saying the other day that you're not "anti-AP"?

Monet you're not lying and I'm not saying you're a loser either.

What it comes down to is this: either you play smart or you don't.

I think you play smart. You play the best paytables, you use cards, you use free play, you look for bonuses. And frankly we all do.

Kewlj is a counter. That makes him smart. Advantage? Does he or anyone else believe they have an advantage over the casino?

Rob is also a smart player. But his way of playing while different than most is also smart.

Be smart. Play smart. There are all kinds of ways to do it.

Lol.

I know you're not math literate, so this may be tough for you -- but can you explain to me, please, how when I look at my records over the years, I'm showing a (steady) net profit? That even includes taking out expenses, and I don't even include "gifts" in my profit (like comped hotels, food, or other crap like the free batteries, luggage, kitchen stuff, etc.). All I'm counting is cash I lose versus cash I win, when looking at profits. I record every session -- every win, every loss, every expense...it could be a +/- $3 session or a +/- $15k session.

Also, it's kind of weird that my profits are very close to the EV I've calculated. That's just so strange, it must be coincidence -- that if I do the math on a play, go play it for a good amount of time, at the end of the play, my actual winnings are pretty damn close to what I thought I'd make. Of course, the hour-by-hour or week-by-week results aren't always going to be what I'd expect, but after several months, it all lines up pretty damn close, like clockwork.

I'd like to know what you think about that. Perhaps I'm just really bad at math plus I'm also super lucky at gambling and it's just a mere coincidence that they both line up pretty closely. That's gotta be one hell of a coincidence.

Now, I can't speak for others, but I have a feeling if we asked KJ, Monet, Axel, or any other legitimate AP, they would say just about the same thing.

[Alan Mendelson]

I'm not anti AP. I'm against the misnomer AP. I'm all for smart play. What is called advantage play is really smart play.

I'm not going to spend thirty pages trying to explain it.

[blackhole]

What’s really sad about this place is how the same exact small group of the everyday posters here can’t see how fucked up they actually are.

No one can deny the facts that Don Johnson, Phil Ivey, just to name two of many AP’s actually who AP’ed the shit out of casinos. It’s exposed public knowledge. At least for now they and other AP’s might be ahead. But, all of you here have nothing, (no proof what so ever) that you could hang your anonymous or not hat on other than your unproven bullshit. Not one of you even have proof that you’re ahead today. Of course, Reditz has some stone age mentions in the past, but everyone has a couple of good years out of 40 or so.

Just because the math technically says something, still doesn’t make it a confirmed fact, until it is a confirmed fact. If you’re a gambler that confirmed fact don’t come into play till you’re dead. I would bet that Phil Ivey based on what we know about him will end up broke, unless he rides off into the sunlight with the few million he has left.

RS wants to confirm his statistics as fact above, but he’s still alive and still gambling, and has nothing to back up his alleged present claims, except other alleged AP's covering for each other who most of don't even know each other.

Ninety nine percent of the content on this site is ridiculous and just a place for sick gamblers to unload in an effort to make themselves feel better for their stupid choices in life.

[redietz]

What’s really sad about this place is how the same exact small group of the everyday posters here can’t see how fucked up they actually are.

No one can deny the facts that Don Johnson, Phil Ivey, just to name two of many AP’s actually who AP’ed the shit out of casinos. It’s exposed public knowledge. At least for now they and other AP’s might be ahead. But, all of you here have nothing, (no proof what so ever) that you could hang your anonymous or not hat on other than your unproven bullshit. Not one of you even have proof that you’re ahead today. Of course, Reditz has some stone age mentions in the past, but everyone has a couple of good years out of 40 or so.

Just because the math technically says something, still doesn’t make it a confirmed fact, until it is a confirmed fact. If you’re a gambler that confirmed fact don’t come into play till you’re dead. I would bet that Phil Ivey based on what we know about him will end up broke, unless he rides off into the sunlight with the few million he has left.

RS wants to confirm his statistics as fact above, but he’s still alive and still gambling, and has nothing to back up his alleged present claims, except other alleged AP's covering for each other who most of don't even know each other.

Ninety nine percent of the content on this site is ridiculous and just a place for sick gamblers to unload in an effort to make themselves feel better for their stupid choices in life.

Phil Ivey is not really an advantage player exemplar. Getting caught using a particular angle that's advantageous does not make someone an advantage player or a winner. Now one could ague that getting sponsors to pick up one's tab for hundreds of thousands in entry fees while maintaining a cut of the winnings is an advantage play. Granted. But then blowing gazillions on a negative game like craps immediately during and afterwards negates the whole advantage concept. I suppose if Ivey comes out ahead overall, that makes it, technically, advantage play in some sense. But I'd argue against it.

I happen to agree with you that Ivey has a problem. I'd argue that, as with Stu Unger and T.J. Cloutier in the past, his issues arise because he refuses to stick to his area of expertise.

I think you and others have problems with advantage players because they have the capability, which they use all of the time, to walk away from the action if they perceive it as a probable loser. Ivey appears, from afar, to lack that ability also.

[blackhole]

Personally, I think Phil Ivey is a crook. It's obvious regardless of his phony claims against, he was part of the online poker scandal. I don't know him, but he appears to be a scamming bullshit artist, much like most alleged AP's.

But, everyone here wants to claim he's a successful AP and I'm just trying to speak the same language to get my point across.

[mickeycrimm]

Monet you're not lying and I'm not saying you're a loser either.

Really what I'm saying is that the concept of "advantage pkay" is all BS.

What it comes down to is this: either you play smart or you don't.

I think you play smart. You play the best paytables, you use cards, you use free play, you look for bonuses. And frankly we all do.

Advantage is a misnomer. We have no advantage.

Kewlj is a counter. That makes him smart. Advantage? Does he or anyone else believe they have an advantage over the casino?

Rob is also a smart player. But his way of playing while different than most is also smart.

Be smart. Play smart. There are all kinds of ways to do it.

Alan, please contact Wikipedia and tell them their definition of advantage play is wrong and its a misnomer. I'm sure they'll take your expert opinion on it.

[Rob.Singer]

Alan's right again mickey, only as usual, you don't like it.

People who go around calling themselves "AP's" do that because they understand the games they go after and they understand how to squeeze every last drop out of the system that provides them with these games. Some of these ap's are educated and most are not, and you can tell it by the way they communicate.

Yet in reality, they are NO DIFFERENT than most other serious players, who also try to and know how to get everything possible from their play.

AP's are hardly special....and they don't know anything that the other players don't know about. And for most, it's simply a level of how addicted to "playing the overall game" that they've become. Those are the one we see boasting on the forums as they crave relevance and attention. Most ap's would never do that.

[MisterV]

Really what I'm saying is that the concept of "advantage pkay" is all BS...Kewlj is a counter. That makes him smart. Advantage? Does he or anyone else believe they have an advantage over the casino?

Edwin O. Thorp wrote a book about it, but obviously you've never read it.

Those who dwell in ignorance will always have a home.

[mickeycrimm]

Alan's right again mickey, only as usual, you don't like it.

People who go around calling themselves "AP's" do that because they understand the games they go after and they understand how to squeeze every last drop out of the system that provides them with these games. Some of these ap's are educated and most are not, and you can tell it by the way they communicate.

Yet in reality, they are NO DIFFERENT than most other serious players, who also try to and know how to get everything possible from their play.

AP's are hardly special....and they don't know anything that the other players don't know about. And for most, it's simply a level of how addicted to "playing the overall game" that they've become. Those are the one we see boasting on the forums as they crave relevance and attention. Most ap's would never do that.

And the number one person craving relevance and attention is YOU. You've been at it for 15 years in the gambling forums.

[Alan Mendelson]

I have to admit "advantage player" has a nice ring to it.

[mickeycrimm]

I have to admit "advantage player" has a nice ring to it.

The term was coined by casino execs. Advantage players are their bane.

[AxelWolf]

Monet you're not lying and I'm not saying you're a loser either.

Really what I'm saying is that the concept of "advantage pkay" is all BS.

What it comes down to is this: either you play smart or you don't.

I think you play smart. You play the best paytables, you use cards, you use free play, you look for bonuses. And frankly we all do.

Advantage is a misnomer. We have no advantage.

Kewlj is a counter. That makes him smart. Advantage? Does he or anyone else believe they have an advantage over the casino?

Rob is also a smart player. But his way of playing while different than most is also smart.

Be smart. Play smart. There are all kinds of ways to do it.

Please explain whats smart about Robs play?

The only thing that I can see is that he avoids the worst pay tables.

He plays with -EV while AP's play with +EV.

That's like saying he's smart because he only eats a little bit of poison while others are eating their spinach and avoiding poison.

[MisterV]

Bob Dancer has a nice write up on wiki.

Rob Singer has ... nada.

Not that he should; he just thinks so, and it irks him that Dancer gets the girl while he gets stuck in the corner.

[mickeycrimm]

Bob Dancer has a nice write up on wiki.

Rob Singer has ... nada.

Not that he should; he just thinks so, and it irks him that Dancer gets the girl while he gets stuck in the corner.

And Dancer is in the Video Poker Hall of Fame. Rob is not. GWAE has interviewed anybody and everybody in the gambling world....except Rob Singer.

[jbjb]

Bob Dancer has a nice write up on wiki.

Rob Singer has ... nada.

Not that he should; he just thinks so, and it irks him that Dancer gets the girl while he gets stuck in the corner.

And Dancer is in the Video Poker Hall of Fame. Rob is not. GWAE has interviewed anybody and everybody in the gambling world....except Rob Singer.

https://bj21.com/glossary

"Ploppy. A term coined by gambling author Frank Scoblete to describe a typical uninformed gambler. A ploppy often is ignorant, offensive, and sometimes tries to influence other patrons' actions through superstition or stating as fact his or her misunderstanding of the games or odds. (See also: Chump, Civilian)"

"Civilian. An average casino patron; not an advantage player. A civilian knows little or nothing about casino countermeasures against advantage players. Usually better behaved, a civilian is a slight step above a ploppy. (See also: Ploppy)"

"Chump.**See ploppy."

Rob is definitely in the "ploppy" category.

[MisterV]

He thinks he's somebody with something worth listening to.

The gambling public disagrees.

Not to be muzzled, he now brays from this forum to a very limited, mostly hostile audience.

[monet]

Phil Ivey is not really an advantage player exemplar. Getting caught using a particular angle that's advantageous does not make someone an advantage player or a winner. Now one could ague that getting sponsors to pick up one's tab for hundreds of thousands in entry fees while maintaining a cut of the winnings is an advantage play. Granted. But then blowing gazillions on a negative game like craps immediately during and afterwards negates the whole advantage concept. I suppose if Ivey comes out ahead overall, that makes it, technically, advantage play in some sense. But I'd argue against it.

I happen to agree with you that Ivey has a problem. I'd argue that, as with Stu Unger and T.J. Cloutier in the past, his issues arise because he refuses to stick to his area of expertise.

I think you and others have problems with advantage players because they have the capability, which they use all of the time, to walk away from the action if they perceive it as a probable loser. Ivey appears, from afar, to lack that ability also.

I think you wrong if you are saying that Ivey isn't an AP.
IMO he is way beyond anyone on this board or on internet forums in general.
Most people do not understand how he works the backside of plays, even on the dice table.
He gets some serious upfront deals before he puts his money in action.
I am nowhere near his caliber but I got a few similar deals with The Grand and SLS when they first opened.
You have to put so much in action and you will earn thousands in free bets/chips.
These deals are worked out with a host .
Ivey isn't putting that coin in without something going on from the inside or backside.

I do the same thing on many plays where I negotiate large amounts of coin in on certain games for large backside free play.
It isn't what it used to be but you still can get decent deals.
I don't expect most of you to understand this.
I tried to explain to the board before that you want to ask for Special Free Play Days when you have big losses.
In my experience these upfront or backside deals to do not interfere with my mailers.
I do not expect most of you to believe me either and I expect to hear a bunch of slack for this post.

In a few minutes I will post up another "Special Play" and show the game.
MendleFunk will be in here soon to show to the mountains how bad the play is
I will tell you how much you can earn per day if you play 6 hours a day.
You could play less or more depending on what you want to do.
Once you have the game and the basic formula you just add it to your many other plays.
You can play this hard or soft. I never see anyone take any heat in this Casino unless they beg for trouble.