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  1. #121
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Slyfox56 View Post
    This is my first report from Ak-Chin - I’m now here on the ground.

    There are NO 9/5 JoB in the casino at any denomination. It now makes sense why the host said that all their VP machines gave 1 TP/$10. All the machines with the best pay tables that were 1 TP/$25 (as listed on VPFREE2) have all been removed from the casino. The best available JoB pay table at any denomination is 8/5 JoB. There are approximately 20 8/5 $5 JoB machines scattered throughout the casino. I did not check DBP or the multi-hand machines as those are too high of variance for me and I don’t play them.

    The 25x promotion is not invitation only -just swipe your card and you’re eligible. One odd little wrinkle is that you can start playing at 6AM to start earning the 25x TP but you can only swipe your card starting at 8 AM. I plan to be down in the casino by 7 AM and playing on a 8/5 $5 JoB machine.

    It was fairly quiet in the casino tonight and no real buzz about the promotion tomorrow. I talked to a couple of floor people who thought it would be very busy tomorrow. Wish me luck getting on a machine!

    One other oddity at least to me as a newer player was there were quite a few 10 credit max VP machines in the casino and I have no idea as to the payout as I didn’t have any way to calculate it or look it up. Something else odd that happened was that I couldn’t get the WoO pay table calculator to work even though I have used it extensively in the past. Maybe it is just not working in general right now?

    If there is anything you have a burning desire to know (pays on other machine types etc) let me know.
    Thanks for the report, Slyfox.

    I ended up electing not to go, given that it's 450 miles each way for me, plus I was afraid they would not honor a Seven Stars status earned this way, plus I would only get it for one year anyway (as opposed to two if I did so in January!)

    Can you find the 99.11% Double Bonus machine for $5? Or is that gone, too?

    It's 5:15am right now. I suggest you get there before 6am, or the "good" machines will all be gone. I think 7 is too late. Hopefully you see this in time, as that's only 45 minutes away.

    See if you can find decent $1 multiplay machines. That may be your best bet, if the paytables are okay.
    Come on DD. You're a gambler. I think it is a pretty safe bet that all that get to 150K will get their 7 star card and all the benefits that come along with it. The not so safe bet is getting a decent machine. I think there will be people camped out well before 6AM for the decent machines or they will be locked down for their top players. Good luck to you Slyfox. This is all a marketing gimmick for CET and I am glad you are taking advantage of it.

  2. #122
    Second report from Ak-Chin

    I got to the machines at about 7 AM. The casino was dead and you could have virtually any machine you wanted. I opted to play a $5 8/5 JoB machine as I didn’t want to deal with the variance. The casino got progressively busier but at any time up to about 3 PM I could have got one of the machines (I quit paying attention after that). I found one other person playing to get to 7* and we sat and played together - he was a younger Asian guy from Vegas and his playing profile was similar to mine up to the event. I walked the casino several times out of curiosity and could find no one playing enough money to make it appear they weere going for 7* (lots were playing 10-25 cents) so I don’t think there were hardly any VP players using the 25X promo to reach 7*. There seemed to be much more buzz about reaching Diamond. There were only 2 machines available to swipe your TR card and an attendant did it for you. Out of pure paranoia I swiped 3 separate times - LOL!

    I was able to get all the points I needed by about 11:30 AM. Here is a recap of me getting to 7*:

    I had a bank roll of $7500 when I started this adventure a couple of months ago.
    At Rincon I earned approx 55000 Tier points (TP) using the TR system to get bonus credits. At RinconI got 4 Aces once on Aces Faces machine and several quads. I was down $1800.
    At Ak-Chin I played for the remaining 98000 TP by earning 3800 TP and using 25x multiplier. I got one straight flush and several quads.
    So once all was accounted for it cost me $3100 to get to 7* and that doesn’t count the $526 worth of reward credits I earned during the same period.

    Now I am going for a steak dinner to celebrate!

  3. #123
    Great result, Slyfox.

    Honestly, if I knew barely anyone would be going for Seven Stars with this promo, I would have gone. I feared that there would be a huge influx of people using this for easy Seven Stars, and that CET would be watching closely when approving Seven Stars for 2019.

    It is possible it will get busy in the evening after locals get home from ork. Or perhaps there were people who didn't stay overnight and drove in from LA or Vegas.

    I also would have wanted them to swipe multiple times, just to make sure it "took"!

    Looks like you lost $1300 at Ak-Chin, right? That's not bad for $56k coin-in of 8-5 JoB. You ran above expectation for not hitting a royal, which would be about a $2k loss.

    Tomorrow you should make sure (after 6am) that all tiers posted, aside from the bonus tiers which may or may not take a few days.

    You should have earned 6300 from today's play and the normal bonus.

    So your tiers should be something like 61000.
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  4. #124
    Originally Posted by Slyfox56 View Post
    Second report from Ak-Chin

    I got to the machines at about 7 AM. The casino was dead and you could have virtually any machine you wanted. I opted to play a $5 8/5 JoB machine as I didn’t want to deal with the variance. The casino got progressively busier but at any time up to about 3 PM I could have got one of the machines (I quit paying attention after that). I found one other person playing to get to 7* and we sat and played together - he was a younger Asian guy from Vegas and his playing profile was similar to mine up to the event. I walked the casino several times out of curiosity and could find no one playing enough money to make it appear they weere going for 7* (lots were playing 10-25 cents) so I don’t think there were hardly any VP players using the 25X promo to reach 7*. There seemed to be much more buzz about reaching Diamond. There were only 2 machines available to swipe your TR card and an attendant did it for you. Out of pure paranoia I swiped 3 separate times - LOL!

    I was able to get all the points I needed by about 11:30 AM. Here is a recap of me getting to 7*:

    I had a bank roll of $7500 when I started this adventure a couple of months ago.
    At Rincon I earned approx 55000 Tier points (TP) using the TR system to get bonus credits. At RinconI got 4 Aces once on Aces Faces machine and several quads. I was down $1800.
    At Ak-Chin I played for the remaining 98000 TP by earning 3800 TP and using 25x multiplier. I got one straight flush and several quads.
    So once all was accounted for it cost me $3100 to get to 7* and that doesn’t count the $526 worth of reward credits I earned during the same period.

    Now I am going for a steak dinner to celebrate!
    WTG Slyfox. I guess you probably know you get 2 sets of 7 star benefits. You have to complete the first set before the end of Jan 2019 and you have until the end of Jan 2020 for the second set. So if you have the time you get 2 7 star trips, 2 sets of $500 (5x$100) food vouchers, etc... I would get hold of your host ASAP to get the 7 star in place ASAP. Especially if you have time between now and the end of January to take advantage of the first set of benefits.

    I am surprised there were not more people there to take advantage of this. I think it will turn out to be a legit offer. We have never been to Ak Chin before but I thought it was a property already at least as busy as Rincon but I guess not. Let us know if you have any hassle getting your 7 star card or any of the benefits.

  5. #125
    Good job Slyfox. By my calculation you can have a Seven Stars retreat prior to end of Jan 2019. That means you get $1200 in airfare, $500 in resort credits (50,000 in RC in New Orleans) plus $500 in celebration dinner vouchers so about $2,200 in value. Then another round after Jan 2019.

    So your guaranteed benefits far out strip the $1,300 you lost at AkChin. That does not even count the heavily discounted NCL Cruise. Also expect some nice AkChin offers soon including MLB spring training invites and NFL games assuming this is your first AkChin action

    That’s a good comp gambit

    FAB
    Last edited by FABismonte; 12-27-2018 at 08:13 PM.

  6. #126
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Great result, Slyfox.


    Looks like you lost $1300 at Ak-Chin, right? That's not bad for $56k coin-in of 8-5 JoB. You ran above expectation for not hitting a royal, which would be about a $2k loss.

    .
    He only had 38K of coin-in, and he did hit the expected loss. 56K of coin-in was the requirement for someone with a zero Tier Score prior to this.

    Personally, I truly resent Alan Mendelson for calling us "crazy" for thinking we would be able to get a machine during this promo day, when in fact the casino was dead. "The area is full of rich people. All the aerospaceworkers are free on the 27th. The promo was largely advertised on the local radio. Don't go"

    Congrats, Slyfox!

  7. #127
    Originally Posted by skyscanner View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Great result, Slyfox.


    Looks like you lost $1300 at Ak-Chin, right? That's not bad for $56k coin-in of 8-5 JoB. You ran above expectation for not hitting a royal, which would be about a $2k loss.

    .
    He only had 38K of coin-in, and he did hit the expected loss. 56K of coin-in was the requirement for someone with a zero Tier Score prior to this.

    Personally, I truly resent Alan Mendelson for calling us "crazy" for thinking we would be able to get a machine during this promo day, when in fact the casino was dead. "The area is full of rich people. All the aerospaceworkers are free on the 27th. The promo was largely advertised on the local radio. Don't go"

    Congrats, Slyfox!
    It was Rob Singer who said that. I accept your apology.

  8. #128
    I see that skyscanner has already attributed a Rob Singer quote to me so for the record I am copying my position on this promo below.

    Quite frankly I'm surprised that Dan passed this up since Seven Stars is so important for him for the free rooms as well as the short buy in lines at the WSOP.

    Since I live in Vegas now free rooms are worthless to me and I don't do cruises and I don't travel to casinos around the country. Seven Stars is worthless to me now. Heck, I haven't been to a Caesars property all year nor have I even visited a Diamond Lounge for the free victuals and drinks.

    Dan you really surprised me on this. 7/5 Bonus is no worse than what you find at Caesars Palace.

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Good luck to everyone playing this. In a worst case scenario you might lose $6,000 and find out Caesars is using its ever present "invitation phrase" to deny you Seven Stars.

    In a good scenario you might win some money and get Seven Stars.

    You'll need to push thru about $56,000 of coin in to find out.

    I'm not sure what the minimum bankroll is for getting $56,000 of coin in, but this promotion appears to be your single best shot at getting Seven Stars at the lowest possible cost. So if you really want Seven Stars you MUST take this shot. There are no two ways about it.

    If Caesars comes back at you later and says "no invitation" at least you can say you did take your best shot.

  9. #129
    Slyfox I am so glad that this worked out for you.
    Please come back and update as to when all your points show up and how getting Seven Stars works out.
    Like everyone's mentioned, once you get Seven Stars you'll get a trip that you have to use by 1/31/19 so if you haven't already you should start thinking about where you want to go and when as you'll need to get that booked ASAP once your status hits.

    As for the crowds - I am surprised and not surprised. On the forums I browse I didn't see much discussion of this except for here. I think that Seven Stars not having the generous room benefits it used to maybe made it less lucrative a play. To the extent I have pursued promotions I have found that popularity is completely unpredictable. I've seen enormous lines all over the casino for token gifts not worth the effort of carrying the item to my car, and then relatively deserted venues for 15x RC multipliers. I'm glad it worked out for you and you were able to play what you planned to and keep your OOP cost relatively low for the amount of play you needed to put in.

  10. #130
    She can also exchange that trip for $500 in RCs if she can't use it by January 31. That's always an option.

    She should make sure to also use the $500 in food vouchers, which also expire 1/31.

    pkspins: The lack of room benefit was what made me skip going. If they still had the guaranteed comp rooms, I would have chanced being rejected and run the promo anyway.
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  11. #131
    Also Slyfox, the first 7 star trip has to be booked by 12/31 to you don't have much time to get with your powers that be and get that done. Please let us know how this all works out for you.

  12. #132
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    Also Slyfox, the first 7 star trip has to be booked by 12/31 to you don't have much time to get with your powers that be and get that done. Please let us know how this all works out for you.
    That's not necessariy true. The 30 day advance notice for booking is BS. I've taken these before with a week's notice or less.
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  13. #133
    Thanks everyone!

    Here is the last piece of the adventure:

    Less than 24 hours later all bonus points hit my account (~177,000 tier points) - I overshot it a bit hehe! So definitely did not take 3-5 days to get the points.

    I went to the TR desk at Ak-Chin and asked for my Seven Stars card. I was told that there was a process and that I had to be approved but they would put in for approval right then. I wasn't sure what that meant and they didn't seem to know what was in the approval process, all they knew at the TR desk was that they has to send a request for approval.

    The next day (so less than 48 hours after the promotion ended) both my TR app on my iPhone and the TR website showed me as being Seven Stars. I have not yet been sent a congratulatory e-mail or had a host contact me but my Diamond email took several days to appear and I had already used some of my Diamond benefit. So I would assume that I am now Seven Stars. I am going over to Rincon this afternoon and will meet with a host so I can confirm it and also to talk about some of the benefits. I haven't noticed yet that I have gotten any offers that appear to be any different than what I was getting as a Diamond (but I was only Diamond for 1 month). I just got a Diamond book in the mail for January. So I assume I won't get the Seven Stars book until February?

    Dan D said above:That's not necessarily true. The 30 day advance notice for booking is BS. I've taken these before with a week's notice or less.

    From what I have read in their literature they "request" 30 days advance notice but they don't say it is mandatory. I will let everyone know what my host says after I meet with him today. I can book by tomorrow if absolutely necessary.

    Thanks to everyone here that was so generous with information and responding to all my questions.

    I now have some questions about the best way to maintain Seven Stars including money management strategies when gambling but I will start a new thread for that.

  14. #134
    Congratulations. If it says Seven Stars on your online profile it means you are Seven Stars. Now, go to a TR desk at any casino and get your Seven Stars card.

  15. #135
    Slyfox congrats from me as well. The “offers” do not much change between Being Diamond and Seven Stars. What will be different is the guaranteed benefits like the Annual Retreat. There are a few Seven Stars events and dinners but not that big a deal. That said offers on line and in the mail will go up in a few months due to your increased action.

  16. #136
    The best part of skyfox's success is that it may help to dispel the fears and rumors that there is some "secret court" passing judgment on players who have attained 150,000 tier points about their worthiness of being Seven Stars.

    I've said all along that the language of "invitation" was nothing but a marketing ploy, and the only persons denied Seven Stars had a big problem with Caesars such as owing markers or having a violent confrontation with a dealer or cheating or stealing. No one really knows what that single email from that host denying Seven Stars was really about.

    But with that said, it is absolutely true that the Seven Stars program ain't what she used to be. And pursuing Seven Stars should be carefully considered.

  17. #137
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    The best part of skyfox's success is that it may help to dispel the fears and rumors that there is some "secret court" passing judgment on players who have attained 150,000 tier points about their worthiness of being Seven Stars.

    I've said all along that the language of "invitation" was nothing but a marketing ploy, and the only persons denied Seven Stars had a big problem with Caesars such as owing markers or having a violent confrontation with a dealer or cheating or stealing. No one really knows what that single email from that host denying Seven Stars was really about.

    But with that said, it is absolutely true that the Seven Stars program ain't what she used to be. And pursuing Seven Stars should be carefully considered.
    I'm glad that Slyfox was approved, as it seems like she's a nice woman.

    However she's not a great example as to whether or not one could have earned 7* with that promo because she was already about 35% there before this.

    With that said, given the lack of people using the promo to make 7*, it's likely this will fly under the radar for everyone who tried it.
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  18. #138
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I'm glad that Slyfox was approved, as it seems like she's a nice woman.

    However she's not a great example as to whether or not one could have earned 7* with that promo because she was already about 35% there before this.

    With that said, given the lack of people using the promo to make 7*, it's likely this will fly under the radar for everyone who tried it.
    I'm glad she got it also.

    I think it helped that, at least judging from forum postings, not many people tried this. Also she fit the criteria on that email pasted earlier of steady and increased play by putting in that high TC day for the multiplier, so her case wasn't a test of that.

    Without the guaranteed hotel stays, the outlay that Caesars commits to by giving someone Seven Stars is fairly defined cost wise for them and they have much less exposure to exploitation of the benefits than they used to. By giving someone Seven Stars they're just risking that paying for the two trips won't yield much future profit if people just take the trips, use the food coupons and folio benefits and don't spend much else gambling or otherwise. The rest of the stuff washes out in is going to be there anyway (the lounges), you have to go there to get them (the tickets), or doesn't cost them anything directly (line cutting).

  19. #139
    I met up with my host at So Cal and the Host Manager and got some other useful tidbits:

    It is not required to book the annual retreat by December 31 - this is purely a courtesy. In fact most of my Seven Stars benefits will not "post" to my account until next Thursday. That said, if I were not booking by Dec 31 for some reason I would give my host a heads up as a courtesy.

    For the air travel part of the annual retreat you can have them book it or you can book it yourself and be reimbursed. The reimbursement is in free play only. You cannot be reimbursed with cash or reward credits.

    I also found out that if you can't go or don't want to go to one the of Signature Events (different from Signature Experience) that you can request $500 in RC instead - so I can do this for 2018. I will likely go to the Atlantic City event in 2019.

    A specific perk for So Cal is 2 rounds of free golf a month. I don't golf but the hosts told me I should collect them anyway and give them to family and friends as there is no requirement to show anything to use them.

    They also told me that it can take 2-3 months for me to start receiving promos related to me being Seven Stars and for my level of play - they said the system was very slow and always a few months behind.

    Something else that is very interesting is that the "daily average" is tracked on a 6 month rolling basis and that it is a true average. They said they have also had numerous conversations with corporate that it is unfair to ding a player that may play big a few times a month and then goes for casual play the rest of the time but they haven't gotten anywhere with that. So if you usually play to a certain level consistently and you have one session where you play for a lot less because you are with friends and family it really shouldn't impact that much because they are using a true average (vs some sort of weighted average or range).

    Overall, I felt the hosts wanted me to use as many of the benefits as possible and they would do everything in their power to help me do that including tips and tricks on getting the most out of vouchers, food credits, etc. They thought it was cool that I was able to use the Ak-Chin promo to get to Seven Stars and in a sense "game" the system.

    I also discussed the criteria for being invited to Seven Stars. Both of them said it is basically automatic and all that they are checking for before "inviting" someone is that they don't have too much in credit, that there have been no reported security incidents, and that there is no evidence that the person has a gambling problem/addiction (how they determine this one I have no idea). So I think the "invitation only" thing is just so that they can check for those couple of things and that it is not automatically awarded by the computer system.

    I showed them the letter that has been circulating on the internet for the denial of Seven Stars. They both were very surprised and said that they had never heard of such a thing and there has been no communication from corporate as to any additional or new criteria for being "invited" to Seven Stars. So my entirely speculative guess is that either the letter is a fake or that the person that received the letter had some real issues/abuses with CET but not enough that CET felt they had to ban them so they added the other reasons to deny this one person Seven Stars. Thus I would chalk this up as a one-off and not a system wide change that CET is making for Seven Stars admittance criteria.

    Happy New Year to Everyone! May your next year of gaming be fruitful!
    Last edited by Slyfox56; 12-31-2018 at 11:44 AM.

  20. #140
    Thank you skyfox for this:

    I showed them the letter that has been circulating on the internet for the denial of Seven Stars. They both were very surprised and said that they had never heard of such a thing and there has been no communication from corporate as to any additional or new criteria for being "invited" to Seven Stars. So my entirely speculative guess is that either the letter is a fake or that the person that received the letter had some real issues/abuses with CET but not enough that CET felt they had to ban them so they added the other reasons to deny this one person Seven Stars.

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