Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
I already explained the posibbilities "Do you realize there are a few people who specialize in looking for ways to exploit bugs, glitches and vulnerabilities on slot machines? They know what to look for and probably keep updated on new machines hitting the market, especially machines from different manufacturers."

Again, they may have found it here in Vegas first and it was only in lower denominations or it was taken out soon after, so they went in search for it (or make phone calls)in other locations. That's what many AP's do when something good comes out. They start searching other available locations. That's like common ABC AP stuff.
Sorry axel, but that explanation doesn't even fall under the "It's a Stretch" column.

You make it appear like the game manufacturers are a collection of inept people, and casinos are run by their illegitimate children....while at the same time there's this secret society of ultra intelligent AP's who've been beamed in from Planet X, who somehow "know what to look for" in new machines before they're put onto casino floors, and who can do hi-denomination machine-checks throughout the country AND PLAY THEM TO DEATH before an email goes out to all casinos offering those exploitable machines. Yup----these super duper AP's are not only clairvoyant--they're faster than the speed of light!
No, you are making it sound like I'm making sound like that.

I can only assume making a new game is very complicated. For the most part they get it right, however, mistakes are made an things slip though the cracks, It seems to be often enough to make it worthwhile searching for vulnerabilities, especially if you know what you are looking for. The money that can be made is significant so the motivation is there.

If a company like IGT can make mistakes, just imagine what kind of mistakes a new or lessor company might make.


I'm not sure why you think the there has to be some super alien intelligence needed to figure this stuff out. Why do You find it hard to believe the guys looking for this stuff are not at least as smart as the people making them? Some of them may have backgrounds in this type of stuff. Also, people learn from past experiences knowing what kinds of things to look for. For example, there have been many cases over the years where bill acceptors have similar problems that tend to be highly exploitable. I myself have found more than one glitch without even searching or knowing about it prior. And I have no software programming, machine tech or machine mechanic experience.

There are lots of glitches you never hear about, I can assure you that, even when there is big money involved.

Apparently you don't keep up on just how inept the casinos actually are. If they were on the ball then we wouldn't be constantly reading about the big numbers casinos get hit for.
For all those who believe this story “hook line and sinker” explain to me this....how did they find this flawed game living in Vegas?

Someone said by phone, which I’m assuming means someone called them up to tell them about it. Okay, I get that. But who is that person? Why would he/she call someone in Vegas to exploit a game they found in Illinois?

Here’s what I think happened based on some common sense. Someone at the game manufacturer or casino, programmed a flaw into the game and then called someone they knew to exploit it. It’s called “an inside job”. It happens all the time. This sounds more plausible than 5 Vegas gamblers just happening to find a flawed game in Illinois. I get the state doesn’t have enough evidence to prove this is what happened, but I expect this is what they think happened.

Rob has brought this up before, but who drives across multiple states with $400,000 in their car? While this isn’t illegal, this sure sounds like something a guilty (or stupid) person would do. There’s a reason the casinos alerted the police to be on the lookout for that car.

The article was preaching to the choir, and the choir bought this story so fast they didn’t have time to put on their thinking caps when they read it. I get it. This article supported the biases you have against casinos and police.