King has arrived

[Mission146]

It would be nice to get some sort of rivalry thing going between WoV West vs. WoV.

Something like Missions Football Picks Game where it is LVCT vs. WOV.

We need WoV to ban more members and send them over here to WoV West.

I don't think ZenKing is Nuked, so he can still enter the game if he wants. He can let me know here if he wants to play and just PM me his picks here.

I might ask Wizard if the banned Members from WoV who post here would be allowed in the game if anyone wants to play. The only difference is banned people would have to escrow the funds for their entries to me only because they would have no incentive to pay if they lose.

If not, then we could always have a VCT Picks Game. I'll host it and the Rules will be the same. People who play in the WoV game and post on both sites could also play in the VCT Picks Game. If it's VCT only, we can decide an Entry Fee and it can be based on honor system.

I will donate less to the VCT Picks Game, maybe just something small for the winner, because I imagine there will be fewer players. I think the WoV game will have 25-30 this year. If we can get up to ten players for the VCT Picks Game, then I will do a small contribution for first place and last place.

[monet]

It would be nice to get some sort of rivalry thing going between WoV West vs. WoV.

Something like Missions Football Picks Game where it is LVCT vs. WOV.

We need WoV to ban more members and send them over here to WoV West.

I don't think ZenKing is Nuked, so he can still enter the game if he wants. He can let me know here if he wants to play and just PM me his picks here.

I might ask Wizard if the banned Members from WoV who post here would be allowed in the game if anyone wants to play. The only difference is banned people would have to escrow the funds for their entries to me only because they would have no incentive to pay if they lose.

If not, then we could always have a VCT Picks Game. I'll host it and the Rules will be the same. People who play in the WoV game and post on both sites could also play in the VCT Picks Game. If it's VCT only, we can decide an Entry Fee and it can be based on honor system.

I will donate less to the VCT Picks Game, maybe just something small for the winner, because I imagine there will be fewer players. I think the WoV game will have 25-30 this year. If we can get up to ten players for the VCT Picks Game, then I will do a small contribution for first place and last place.

I swear 97% of all members on these gambling forums are the cheapest people I know of.

I will make a verbal bet with you and put the money in your paypal account if you take this bet which is in your favor.

I will send you 300 dollars for the VCT Picks Game because Hell will Freeze over before you get that Wizard to agree that banned members can play in your WoV game!
300 Dollars is almost half of what that prick is begging for on his Diversity site... Diversity is ironic because I see nothing diverse about how he runs things.

Anyways I put up 300 in your Pay Pal account and you make the rules on how players are paid.

The only catch is... if I win the contest outright or I have the worst record I win double. Meaning I win my money back plus you pay me 300 on top of it, plus I win whatever the placement was for 1st or last.
Ties in placement count for me but I have to play every week meaning if I miss one week I forfeit any chance of winning.

[coach belly]

Anyways I put up 300 in your Pay Pal account and you make the rules on how players are paid.

The only catch is... if I win the contest outright or I have the worst record I win double.

I'll match monet's contribution under the same terms.

[Moses]

I swear 97% of all members on these gambling forums are the cheapest people I know of.
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Monet; An interesting contrast between a couple of guys that I'll have a beer with and watch a game. One is in his 80s, probably an M followed by some x's a few times. He won't tip. Loves all the free stuff. IF he ever bought something for himself, I'd be shocked, let alone someone else. He could have a fancy lifestyle but lives very conservatively. Personally, I think he's figured a way either to take it with him or not go at all.

The other is in his early 50's. Not a nickel to his name. But money comes and goes through his fingers all day long. But he gives it away. He could care less about the free stuff.

Both have a great outlook on life, hilarious, and intelligent in their own way.

Ironic, they are the best of friends. I think there is a life lesson to be learned. But I'll be damned if I can figure it out.

[Mission146]

I swear 97% of all members on these gambling forums are the cheapest people I know of.

For contributing a non-zero amount of free money to a game I take the time to run?

I will send you 300 dollars for the VCT Picks Game because Hell will Freeze over before you get that Wizard to agree that banned members can play in your WoV game!
300 Dollars is almost half of what that prick is begging for on his Diversity site... Diversity is ironic because I see nothing diverse about how he runs things.

Anyways I put up 300 in your Pay Pal account and you make the rules on how players are paid.

The only catch is... if I win the contest outright or I have the worst record I win double. Meaning I win my money back plus you pay me 300 on top of it, plus I win whatever the placement was for 1st or last.
Ties in placement count for me but I have to play every week meaning if I miss one week I forfeit any chance of winning.

Wait a minute, how is that double? That seems like it would be more than double if I make the prizes for first or last more than $0.00.

Anyway, it's just supposed to be a fun little game.

Also, say only five people play and I make the prize all $300 for first place:

Monet: First Place = $600 Last Place = $300 (of my money) No Place = $0

(1/5 * 600) + (1/5 * (300) - (3/5 * 300) = 0

Therefore, that's a $0 expectation for you with five players. It's a losing proposition for me, though, because here's what could happen, I could either win:

(300 * 1/5) = $60

I could lose and you come in last place:

(4/5) - (1/4 * 300) = -$74.20

I could lose and you come in first place:

(4/5) - (1/4 * 600) = -$149.20

Or, I could lose and you do not place:

(4/5) * (2/4 * 0) = 0

Therefore, my overall personal expectation is $60 - $223.40 = -$163.40

Do you think I'm stupid? You have a $0 expectation and my expectation is to lose more than I'm even donating to the WoV pool?

Adding more players would change my expectation, but all it would do is make it more negative. The reason why is because I can only win the $300 if I contribute it all to one prize and win that prize outright. Other than that, I can only break even or lose.

[monet]

I swear 97% of all members on these gambling forums are the cheapest people I know of.

For contributing a non-zero amount of free money to a game I take the time to run?

I will send you 300 dollars for the VCT Picks Game because Hell will Freeze over before you get that Wizard to agree that banned members can play in your WoV game!
300 Dollars is almost half of what that prick is begging for on his Diversity site... Diversity is ironic because I see nothing diverse about how he runs things.

Anyways I put up 300 in your Pay Pal account and you make the rules on how players are paid.

The only catch is... if I win the contest outright or I have the worst record I win double. Meaning I win my money back plus you pay me 300 on top of it, plus I win whatever the placement was for 1st or last.
Ties in placement count for me but I have to play every week meaning if I miss one week I forfeit any chance of winning.

Wait a minute, how is that double? That seems like it would be more than double if I make the prizes for first or last more than $0.00.

Anyway, it's just supposed to be a fun little game.

Also, say only five people play and I make the prize all $300 for first place:

Monet: First Place = $600 Last Place = $300 (of my money) No Place = $0

(1/5 * 600) + (1/5 * 300) - (3/5 * 300) = $0.00

Therefore, that's an Even Money proposition for you with five players. It's a losing proposition for me, though, because here's what could happen, I could either win:

(300 * 1/5) = $60

I could lose and you come in last place:

(4/5) - (1/4 * 300) = -$74.20

I could lose and you come in first place:

(4/5) - (1/4 * 600) = -$149.20

Or, I could lose and you do not place:

(4/5) * (2/4 * 0) = 0

Therefore, my overall personal expectation is $60 - $223.40 = $163.40

Do you think I'm stupid? You have a break even expectation and my expectation is to lose more than I'm even donating to the WoV pool?

Adding more players would change my expectation, but all it would do is make it more negative. The reason why is because I can only win the $300 if I contribute it all to one prize and win that prize outright. Other than that, I can only break even or lose.

Set it up better or more fair for you.

Make a minimum number of players.

Make it so that if you win or get last place than I double up.

You are the man with the big IQ... make it so you have a slight edge and I will pony up/up front.
You forget that I am giving up the money first and technically you could just run away

You get all the glory of running this thing and having your name on it... you love that.

[monet]

It would be nice to get some sort of rivalry thing going between WoV West vs. WoV.

Something like Missions Football Picks Game where it is LVCT vs. WOV.

We need WoV to ban more members and send them over here to WoV West.

I don't think ZenKing is Nuked, so he can still enter the game if he wants. He can let me know here if he wants to play and just PM me his picks here.

I might ask Wizard if the banned Members from WoV who post here would be allowed in the game if anyone wants to play. The only difference is banned people would have to escrow the funds for their entries to me only because they would have no incentive to pay if they lose.

If not, then we could always have a VCT Picks Game. I'll host it and the Rules will be the same. People who play in the WoV game and post on both sites could also play in the VCT Picks Game. If it's VCT only, we can decide an Entry Fee and it can be based on honor system.

I will donate less to the VCT Picks Game, maybe just something small for the winner, because I imagine there will be fewer players. I think the WoV game will have 25-30 this year. If we can get up to ten players for the VCT Picks Game, then I will do a small contribution for first place and last place.

As you can read for yourself on these quotes Mission was willing to host and run a VCT Picks Game. He wanted the rules to be the same and was willing to donate less money to the VCT Picks Game.

I came in next and offered to put in 300 dollars if Mission agreed to a side bet.

Mission ran the numbers and said the bet wasn't even close to fair.
Mission did not run the numbers with the X Factor of how I have to get my picks in every week.
If I missed one week I would forfeit any chance of winning and the 300 would stay in the Prize Pool.
I know that I have a 99% chance of missing a week... perhaps even a 100% chance of missing a week.
There is no way that I am going to be able to get my picks in for 18 or 19 weeks in a row and most likely I am going to just randomly pick my picks.
This is a main problem with Math Guys vs. Street Guys... The Math Guys can see the numbers but they can't size up the real world situation of the problem.
They aren't able to know what certain people will do or how to calculate it.

Two Minutes after Mission Posted the Math and that I was calling him stupid I agreed and asked him to adjust the rules and gave him the chance to give himself a small edge in the bet.

He refused that offer and told me that even if I gave the money with no stipulations that he would still tell me to Fuck Off!

We negotiated after that and I said I would donate 500 dollars to the Prize Pool for the VCT Game with the only stipulation that I send him the money directly because I trust him and he knows what he is doing running these games and has a long track record in this arena. I thought it might be fun for the forum over here to get involved in a FREE SHOT at some money. He could of made it winner take all or broke down the prize money however he wanted.

So now he is too scared for me to send him the money directly because I must be up to some sort of underhanded mischief.
So he agrees but I have to send the money to Dan Druff and Mission146 will not be participating in the game.

I refuse to those terms

I honestly do not understand how hard it is when someone says they are going to give you 500 dollars with no strings attached to just agree but these guys make it complicated and difficult.
Mission146 thinks I am giving him the money and keeps saying that he doesn't want my money.
The truth is I wasn't giving him money. I was giving him money to put into a prize pool for a VCT Picks game that the VCT community could enjoy a chance at winning.
I certainly wasn't giving him money for him. However I would of broke him off some dough if he needed some sort of fee for his time and his hard work in organizing the game.

The truth is I would of gone all the way up to 1000 dollars and sent it immediately for the game but many times it is difficult to give free money away.
Recently I had a lawyer instruct me to just spend this certain money that I have so that I do not have to worry about a legal situation.
I tried to explain that it isn't so easy to spend that kind of money and the money keeps growing. Every time I talk to these lawyers they put me in a Catch22 situation.
Something like sure you can own this or that but you can't do this or that with it. Fucking Lawyer double and triple talk.

Reminds me of Brewster's Millions... it really is that hard to spend large sums of money.

[mickeycrimm]

It would be nice to get some sort of rivalry thing going between WoV West vs. WoV.

Something like Missions Football Picks Game where it is LVCT vs. WOV.

We need WoV to ban more members and send them over here to WoV West.

I don't think ZenKing is Nuked, so he can still enter the game if he wants. He can let me know here if he wants to play and just PM me his picks here.

I might ask Wizard if the banned Members from WoV who post here would be allowed in the game if anyone wants to play. The only difference is banned people would have to escrow the funds for their entries to me only because they would have no incentive to pay if they lose.

If not, then we could always have a VCT Picks Game. I'll host it and the Rules will be the same. People who play in the WoV game and post on both sites could also play in the VCT Picks Game. If it's VCT only, we can decide an Entry Fee and it can be based on honor system.

I will donate less to the VCT Picks Game, maybe just something small for the winner, because I imagine there will be fewer players. I think the WoV game will have 25-30 this year. If we can get up to ten players for the VCT Picks Game, then I will do a small contribution for first place and last place.

As you can read for yourself on these quotes Mission was willing to host and run a VCT Picks Game. He wanted the rules to be the same and was willing to donate less money to the VCT Picks Game.

I came in next and offered to put in 300 dollars if Mission agreed to a side bet.

Mission ran the numbers and said the bet wasn't even close to fair.
Mission did not run the numbers with the X Factor of how I have to get my picks in every week.
If I missed one week I would forfeit any chance of winning and the 300 would stay in the Prize Pool.
I know that I have a 99% chance of missing a week... perhaps even a 100% chance of missing a week.
There is no way that I am going to be able to get my picks in for 18 or 19 weeks in a row and most likely I am going to just randomly pick my picks.
This is a main problem with Math Guys vs. Street Guys... The Math Guys can see the numbers but they can't size up the real world situation of the problem.
They aren't able to know what certain people will do or how to calculate it.

Two Minutes after Mission Posted the Math and that I was calling him stupid I agreed and asked him to adjust the rules and gave him the chance to give himself a small edge in the bet.

He refused that offer and told me that even if I gave the money with no stipulations that he would still tell me to Fuck Off!

We negotiated after that and I said I would donate 500 dollars to the Prize Pool for the VCT Game with the only stipulation that I send him the money directly because I trust him and he knows what he is doing running these games and has a long track record in this arena. I thought it might be fun for the forum over here to get involved in a FREE SHOT at some money. He could of made it winner take all or broke down the prize money however he wanted.

So now he is too scared for me to send him the money directly because I must be up to some sort of underhanded mischief.
So he agrees but I have to send the money to Dan Druff and Mission146 will not be participating in the game.

I refuse to those terms

I honestly do not understand how hard it is when someone says they are going to give you 500 dollars with no strings attached to just agree but these guys make it complicated and difficult.
Mission146 thinks I am giving him the money and keeps saying that he doesn't want my money.
The truth is I wasn't giving him money. I was giving him money to put into a prize pool for a VCT Picks game that the VCT community could enjoy a chance at winning.
I certainly wasn't giving him money for him. However I would of broke him off some dough if he needed some sort of fee for his time and his hard work in organizing the game.

The truth is I would of gone all the way up to 1000 dollars and sent it immediately for the game but many times it is difficult to give free money away.
Recently I had a lawyer instruct me to just spend this certain money that I have so that I do not have to worry about a legal situation.
I tried to explain that it isn't so easy to spend that kind of money and the money keeps growing. Every time I talk to these lawyers they put me in a Catch22 situation.
Something like sure you can own this or that but you can't do this or that with it. Fucking Lawyer double and triple talk.

Reminds me of Brewster's Millions... it really is that hard to spend large sums of money.

A friend of mine paid $24,000 cash for a brand new 2016 car. The dealer did an IRS suspicious activity form on him. BTW, the money was made hustling machines without getting a single W2-G. That's how it is in Montana, no W2-G's.

[RS__]

A friend of mine paid $24,000 cash for a brand new 2016 car. The dealer did an IRS suspicious activity form on him. BTW, the money was made hustling machines without getting a single W2-G. That's how it is in Montana, no W2-G's.

At that price, he could have gotten like 40 premium juicers at $600 each instead.

[Mission146]

It would be nice to get some sort of rivalry thing going between WoV West vs. WoV.

Something like Missions Football Picks Game where it is LVCT vs. WOV.

We need WoV to ban more members and send them over here to WoV West.

I don't think ZenKing is Nuked, so he can still enter the game if he wants. He can let me know here if he wants to play and just PM me his picks here.

I might ask Wizard if the banned Members from WoV who post here would be allowed in the game if anyone wants to play. The only difference is banned people would have to escrow the funds for their entries to me only because they would have no incentive to pay if they lose.

If not, then we could always have a VCT Picks Game. I'll host it and the Rules will be the same. People who play in the WoV game and post on both sites could also play in the VCT Picks Game. If it's VCT only, we can decide an Entry Fee and it can be based on honor system.

I will donate less to the VCT Picks Game, maybe just something small for the winner, because I imagine there will be fewer players. I think the WoV game will have 25-30 this year. If we can get up to ten players for the VCT Picks Game, then I will do a small contribution for first place and last place.

As you can read for yourself on these quotes Mission was willing to host and run a VCT Picks Game. He wanted the rules to be the same and was willing to donate less money to the VCT Picks Game.

I came in next and offered to put in 300 dollars if Mission agreed to a side bet.

Mission ran the numbers and said the bet wasn't even close to fair.
Mission did not run the numbers with the X Factor of how I have to get my picks in every week.
If I missed one week I would forfeit any chance of winning and the 300 would stay in the Prize Pool.
I know that I have a 99% chance of missing a week... perhaps even a 100% chance of missing a week.
There is no way that I am going to be able to get my picks in for 18 or 19 weeks in a row and most likely I am going to just randomly pick my picks.
This is a main problem with Math Guys vs. Street Guys... The Math Guys can see the numbers but they can't size up the real world situation of the problem.
They aren't able to know what certain people will do or how to calculate it.

Two Minutes after Mission Posted the Math and that I was calling him stupid I agreed and asked him to adjust the rules and gave him the chance to give himself a small edge in the bet.

He refused that offer and told me that even if I gave the money with no stipulations that he would still tell me to Fuck Off!

We negotiated after that and I said I would donate 500 dollars to the Prize Pool for the VCT Game with the only stipulation that I send him the money directly because I trust him and he knows what he is doing running these games and has a long track record in this arena. I thought it might be fun for the forum over here to get involved in a FREE SHOT at some money. He could of made it winner take all or broke down the prize money however he wanted.

So now he is too scared for me to send him the money directly because I must be up to some sort of underhanded mischief.
So he agrees but I have to send the money to Dan Druff and Mission146 will not be participating in the game.

I refuse to those terms

I honestly do not understand how hard it is when someone says they are going to give you 500 dollars with no strings attached to just agree but these guys make it complicated and difficult.
Mission146 thinks I am giving him the money and keeps saying that he doesn't want my money.
The truth is I wasn't giving him money. I was giving him money to put into a prize pool for a VCT Picks game that the VCT community could enjoy a chance at winning.
I certainly wasn't giving him money for him. However I would of broke him off some dough if he needed some sort of fee for his time and his hard work in organizing the game.

The truth is I would of gone all the way up to 1000 dollars and sent it immediately for the game but many times it is difficult to give free money away.
Recently I had a lawyer instruct me to just spend this certain money that I have so that I do not have to worry about a legal situation.
I tried to explain that it isn't so easy to spend that kind of money and the money keeps growing. Every time I talk to these lawyers they put me in a Catch22 situation.
Something like sure you can own this or that but you can't do this or that with it. Fucking Lawyer double and triple talk.

Reminds me of Brewster's Millions... it really is that hard to spend large sums of money.

Let's ignore for a second that you could claim to transmit me the money without actually doing so while putting together semi-believable evidence that you had just to make me look bad.

Ignoring that:

1.) You take Axel and ZK to the pool hall, drop money on drinks and then I get to read dozens of posts about Axel's propensity for drinking, how you did it with no expectation of anything in return, how ZK hasn't given you anything in return and how you got some info about a play from Axel.

2.) You take BBB out and take care of her hotel room, then I get to read dozens of posts just completely trashing her.

3.) You offered to donate money to the game, which I declined, and look at the length of the post you made above about it.

So, long story short is I see how you treat and deal with people who you could be perceived as having done a favor. No thank you.

That said, if you ever want to meet, I'll meet up with you and we can play a bartop progressive. The drinks will be free and we're each responsible for our own tips.