Reminder regaring doxxing and link spamming

[Rob.Singer]

I don't see why you need to bring up WoV gripes over here.

I will try to stop Dan. I actually hadn't mentioned anything in quite some time, until Boz brought it up.

But let me remind you, the single longest running thread on this forum is the WoV thread. A good many of us are former WoVers and have all sort of different gripes about what goes on over there.

He can't do anything that he says he will do and he's proven he never will. He's worse than any employer's most bitter employee in just letting things go and moving on. He's the poster boy for leading a sour and chaotic life. That's what results from having no life. My....how Mike has permanently wounded this fragile little creature.....

[Rob.Singer]

Kewlj you are the biggest violator on this site. Now you’re in here acting like you’re the victim. Any member that disagrees with you it’s all out war. No more conversation. Stop trying to blow smoke up Dan's ass.

Dan could do whatever he wants including banning me. I’ll still sleep like a baby tonight. You on the other hand would start all kinds of shit at other sites complaining and maybe fake another death and get back here as someone else.

I call a spade a spade.

Truer words were never written.

[jbjb]

it can be said that MDawg's baccarat strategy is a long-term winner FOR HIM.

I agree, and that's exactly what I said here...

MDawg's baccarat play is a longterm winning strategy for him.

"Everything works until it doesn't."

[mickeycrimm]

it can be said that MDawg's baccarat strategy is a long-term winner FOR HIM.

I agree, and that's exactly what I said here...

MDawg's baccarat play is a longterm winning strategy for him.

Winning streaks are all seen in hindsight. They have no bearing on the future. If heads comes up ten times in a row it's still 50-50 it will be heads on the next flip.

[coach belly]

Winning streaks are all seen in hindsight. They have no bearing on the future. If heads comes up ten times in a row it's still 50-50 it will be heads on the next flip.

Are you conceding that, so far, MDawg could have won overall, as he reported?

If he has experienced a winning streak up to this point, then does that have any bearing on his future results?...does his past winning streak make him more likely to lose in the future?

[BaccMaster]

Winning streaks are all seen in hindsight. They have no bearing on the future. If heads comes up ten times in a row it's still 50-50 it will be heads on the next flip.

Are you conceding that, so far, MDawg could have won overall, as he reported?

If he has experienced a winning streak up to this point, then does that have any bearing on his future results?...does his past winning streak make him more likely to lose in the future?

His chances of winning in the future are exactly the same as everyone else who sits down and
plays baccarat. It’s a game based completely on luck.

[Bob21]

That is what the huge (currently vacant) buildings out my window are built on....people believing what you guys believe and NOT in the math.

This is where you are completely wrong Kj! You, along with most APs, don’t get it.

These casinos are built on “entertainment”. The vast majority of people who go to casinos go for entertainment. They enjoy gambling in the casino environment, just like some people enjoy going to movies, clubs, ball games, the opera or any other form of entertainment. If they win some money, great, it makes the experience all the more enjoyable!

I have a couple friends from work who fly to Vegas once a year because they enjoy Vegas, which includes the gambling, the shows, restaurants, etc. They go there with a set amount they’re willing to lose. None of them think they’ve come up with some system to beat negative EV games. They all know all the games in a casino have a built in house edge. I think the only people in the universe who think this is unknown by the general public are APs.

Are there a couple degenerate gamblers that think they can beat a negative EV game without math? Probably. But this is not what built Vegas or any other casinos. It’s the people who go there for entertainment!

Why do APs have such a hard time acknowledging casinos are in the entertainment space, and the majority of people who go there, go there for entertainment, and gamble responsibly?

[MDawg]

They get it.

They just don't want to admit that someone could be winning and openly having a great time at the casinos and not having to hide while scraping pennies like they do.

[monet]

My only gripe is that I don't know if I am AR-47 Monet or AK-47 Monet???
Shit is confusing.
At least both firearms use the same ammunition.
I am also not sure why I have to be the TICKET-PUNCHER??

Calling Tableplay a SPACE CADET has to be the most derogatory statement ever posted on the internet that I ever read.
I am highly offended that this is allowed.
I am not offended as much for DeMango which is odd.

I confirmed with mcap that this thread has nothing to do with Las Vegas.

[kewlJ]

That is what the huge (currently vacant) buildings out my window are built on....people believing what you guys believe and NOT in the math.

This is where you are completely wrong Kj! You, along with most APs, don’t get it.

These casinos are built on “entertainment”. The vast majority of people who go to casinos go for entertainment. They enjoy gambling in the casino environment, just like some people enjoy going to movies, clubs, ball games, the opera or any other form of entertainment. If they win some money, great, it makes the experience all the more enjoyable!

I have a couple friends from work who fly to Vegas once a year because they enjoy Vegas, which includes the gambling, the shows, restaurants, etc. They go there with a set amount they’re willing to lose. None of them think they’ve come up with some system to beat negative EV games. They all know all the games in a casino have a built in house edge. I think the only people in the universe who think this is unknown by the general public are APs.

Are there a couple degenerate gamblers that think they can beat a negative EV game without math? Probably. But this is not what built Vegas or any other casinos. It’s the people who go there for entertainment!

Why do APs have such a hard time acknowledging casinos are in the entertainment space, and the majority of people who go there, go there for entertainment, and gamble responsibly?

So you think they build these big casinos in the hope of drawing people to the coffee shop for breakfast and maybe that they will go see the George Wallace comedy show? Completely backwards. The entertainment and restaurants are there to draw people into the casino to gamble.

I can see the exec. meeting now. "how can we get people to come see George Wallace or Carrot Top?" Answer: "Let's build a massive casino".

[mcap]

I confirmed with mcap that this thread has nothing to do with Las Vegas.

You did no such thing with me good sir. Technically this thread was started by the admin himself and he found it prudent to place a general announcement here, also there is no defined category for a general announcement unlike some misplaced threads. My only gripe about this thread being placed here is the word “regarding” was badly misspelled in the title. What the hell was that?

This thread devolved into endless sniveling quickly, however, and the original intent seems lost.

[monet]

The best thing about this site is that it is loosely moderated.
If you start bringing the hammer down none of us will survive very long.

[mickeycrimm]

Winning streaks are all seen in hindsight. They have no bearing on the future. If heads comes up ten times in a row it's still 50-50 it will be heads on the next flip.

Are you conceding that, so far, MDawg could have won overall, as he reported?

If he has experienced a winning streak up to this point, then does that have any bearing on his future results?...does his past winning streak make him more likely to lose in the future?

In the short term MDawg could have won. In the long term he has no chance. A winning streak "up to this point" has no bearing on future results. His past winning streak will not make him more likely to lose. His likeliness to lose remains the same.

[Bob21]

So you think they build these big casinos in the hope of drawing people to the coffee shop for breakfast and maybe that they will go see the George Wallace comedy show? Completely backwards. The entertainment and restaurants are there to draw people into the casino to gamble.

I can see the exec. meeting now. "how can we get people to come see George Wallace or Carrot Top?" Answer: "Let's build a massive casino".

Kj, you’re missing my point. If there were casinos and nothing else, people would still go to casinos because they enjoy gambling, even though they know the house has the edge.

Most people see casinos as a forum of entertainment. The majority of people who gamble at casinos do it for entertainment. These big casinos are NOT built because there are all these people who think they’ve come up with some non-math way to beat them. These people are in the minority.

It’s like the big football stadiums. Do you think they are built because people are too stupid to understand they will lose money when they go to a game? No. They know they will lose money going to a football game, but they enjoy it, so they spend the money and go to the game. It’s called entertainment!

This concept of entertainment and casinos can be explained better from one of the GWAE episodes with a guy who wrote one of the Blackjack books. I can’t remember his name right now, but he also helps design slot machines for casinos. He said they use focus groups who play slots to design new slot machines. He said these are smart people, which got a double take from munchkin. He said when they poll these people, they all say they know they are playing a negative EV game, and will eventually lose. He said their main goal is to derive some entertainment from it, and last a certain amount of time. This surprised munchkin, since it goes against what most APs think about people who play slots.

The point I’m trying to make is most people go to casinos to gamble for entertainment. That is what has built all these huge casinos! It’s not because there are a bunch of people out there who think there’ve developed a non-math way to win at casinos.

Almost everybody who is gambling in casinos knows the house has the edge, and they’ll lose in the long run. Most are just trying to win some money in the short run as entertainment.

[kewlJ]

Bob I don't know how things are where you live, but here in Vegas it is a little different. I am not talking about the Strip or even Fremont Street. But go to the local casinos and these folks aren't there for entertainment. They are there trying to win money playing -EV games (and not making out too well).

Hit up Jerry's Nugget, or some casinos on Boulder Highway like Longhorn, Boulder Station, Joker's wild, the two casinos in the middle of the town of Henderson. Hit up Gold Coast, Palace Station, Texas Station or Fiesta Ranch across the street. These folks aren't there for entertainment. They are there spending their last dollars trying to win. Feeding their last dollars into the machines, which means they won't have enough food for the rest of the month, some wont have a place to live. On a Friday evening it is the blue collar workers, cashing their paychecks at the casino cage and spending half before they ever get home to pay the rent and put food on the table for their kids.

And just take a minute and listen to any of them. They are not there for entertainment. They are there to win. They all know how to win! They will tell ya the secrets to winning.

[jbjb]

And just take a minute and listen to any of them. They are not there for entertainment. They are there to win. They all know how to win! They will tell ya the secrets to winning.

Every ploppie has an MDawg in them.

[coach belly]

In the short term MDawg could have won. In the long term he has no chance. A winning streak "up to this point" has no bearing on future results..

If MDawg's winning streak has put him ahead overall up to this point, and he does not return to the casino to play again, does that mean that he has won for the long term?

[mickeycrimm]

In the short term MDawg could have won. In the long term he has no chance. A winning streak "up to this point" has no bearing on future results..

If MDawg's winning streak has put him ahead overall up to this point, and he does not return to the casino to play again, does that mean that he has won for the long term?

An emphatic NO!!!! But I'm really getting tired of answering belly questions. Dude is not out to learn anything. He's only out to play gotcha. Thats his favorite game. And he uses the "I'm collecting information" schtick to keep us all playing along.

[Bob21]

Bob I don't know how things are where you live, but here in Vegas it is a little different. I am not talking about the Strip or even Fremont Street. But go to the local casinos and these folks aren't there for entertainment. They are there trying to win money playing -EV games (and not making out too well).

Hit up Jerry's Nugget, or some casinos on Boulder Highway like Longhorn, Boulder Station, Joker's wild, the two casinos in the middle of the town of Henderson. Hit up Gold Coast, Palace Station, Texas Station or Fiesta Ranch across the street. These folks aren't there for entertainment. They are there spending their last dollars trying to win. Feeding their last dollars into the machines, which means they won't have enough food for the rest of the month, some wont have a place to live. On a Friday evening it is the blue collar workers, cashing their paychecks at the casino cage and spending half before they ever get home to pay the rent and put food on the table for their kids.

And just take a minute and listen to any of them. They are not there for entertainment. They are there to win. They all know how to win! They will tell ya the secrets to winning.

You’re referring to gambling addicts. Yeah, I get there are degenerates out there that will feed their last nickel into a slot machine and go bankrupt. I’ve known some people who have gone bankrupt gambling too much at casinos.

But I still contend this is not what built most casinos. It’s the people who go there for entertainment and that gamble responsibly, which means within their means. I’ve seen stats on this, and by far the majority of casino’s revenue comes from responsible gamblers.

Here’s a stat I’ve mentioned many times. Casinos bring in more money than all three major sports and movies combined. That’s an amazing stat, and surprised me. Surely you don’t believe all this revenue is coming from people who think they’ve come up with some non-math way to beat a casino.

My poster child for people who enjoy casinos and know they will lose is Charles Barkley. He has admitted to losing at least $30 million in casinos and he said he will continue going because he enjoys it. He said it’s his money and he’ll spend it as he likes. Nobody is going to tell him what to do with it.

Point being people LOVE casinos. This is what BUILT casinos.

[kewlJ]

But I still contend this is not what built most casinos. It’s the people who go there for entertainment and that gamble responsibly, which means within their means. I’ve seen stats on this, and by far the majority of casino’s revenue comes from responsible gamblers.

Serious question Bob21. Do you work for or have any connection to the casino industry? The arguments you make are the exact arguments that Dan Lubin used to passionately make. If you are not familiar Dan was a member at WoV, and long time casino employee and later casino game developer. I have encountered a number of people that make the arguments that you are making and every one of them has some sort of association with a casino or the casino industry, or a family member that worked for a casino or something along those lines.