Originally Posted by
mcap
Originally Posted by
The Boz
RED this is what you and others don’t get or won’t admit. The election was “won” by Biden because he had more votes in the states he needed. The question is where the votes came from and was it “fair” by the ways we considered how elections work and how votes were collected before 2020. No I don’t believe votes were changed in Dominion machines and other conspiracy theories. But I 100% believe votes were collected from people who had no interest in voting, would have never voted, and only voted because they were mailed a ballot they would have never requested. And in most cases, they were Biden votes from liberal cities and registered Democrats.
Not sure how anyone can argue that this didn’t happen. I give Democrats credit for being crafty enough to see this opportunity, seize upon it and get votes from voters they would have never had in a normal non Covid year. They saw opportunity to expand voting and used Covid as an excuse to push mail voting, which was always a goal of theirs. They know a certain segment of the population is too uncaring or lazy to show up and vote and wouldn’t request a mail in ballot. But send it to them automatically and have a Dem operative offer to show up and collect it, they may fill out it. And they executed it to a level high enough to tip the election in battleground states. Take this away and Trump won these same states in larger margins than 2016.
Unfortunately we are all now paying for it with what it did to our economy.
You can just say black people instead of coding it Boz, everyone knows what you meant. Biden certainly hasn’t helped but I’d argue keeping interest rates artificially low for at least five years longer than they should have been created a caricature in assets of the economy that was on the ground bubble that was inevitably going to pop whenever the artificially cheap money gift stopped.
Oh, I get it. It's not subtle.
You want a series of qualifiers to vote. Make it to the polling station. Get a car to make it to the polling station. Lug your children to the polling station. Pay a babysitter to make it to the polling station. Buy car insurance to make it to the polling station. Don't have a national voting holiday, thus forcing poor people to work the day of the voting. Limit voting to as few days as possible, so lower income people can't plan to vote when most convenient, that is, least expensive.
They're all just socioeconomic bars to leap through. It's ridiculous that an alleged democracy with the technology and wherewithal to have everybody vote goes out of its way to have voting cost something, which is what this boils down to.
Cars cost. Babysitters cost. Car insurance costs. Taking time off from work costs. And as percentages of income, they cost lower income people a lot more proportionally.
Now, here's the funny thing that points out rightwing hypocrisy. Far right folks are fine with voting costing something for lower income people.
Imagine if voting were mandatory, which is patriotic and honorable and civic duty and all that. And you got fined $500 if you didn't vote. So the poor would be under duress, just like they are when voting now. But what would the effect be? Poor people would vote, overall participation would go up, and the only people blowing off voting would be the wealthy.
And that's why we'll never see mandatory voting.