Hi Mission, please see the clarification to my question here: https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post73013
Thanks tp.
Hi Mission, please see the clarification to my question here: https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post73013
Thanks tp.
Does anyone know if there's an online resource that outlines the base amount for all the progressives by machine? I've started a spreadsheet, but it's not always obvious what the jackpots are seeded at, and randomly playing all of them until they reset could get expensive.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Ah, I should have clarified, I wasn't talking about the must-hits, more like the ones with 4-5 jackpots (e.g. Quickhit, 88 fortunes, beer haus)
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Surely there has to be a point where the mini-progressives reach a point where it's +EV? Or is that point so high/rare that it's not worth pursuing?
Here is some frequencies on quick hits platinum. I did the math for fun and will play from time to time, but it's not the first thing I check by any means. Think about quick hits like an 80 cent Harley that costs twice as much to spin.
https://www.arcade-history.com/?n=bl...etail&id=45272
OK. Yeah, I forgot that the WMS must hits don't show the reset values. But we're in luck. The reset values are not critical information. All we have to know is the current value of the meter.
As Mission pointed out, the WMS must hits are based on coin-out, not coin-in like Konami. Both meters on these WMS machines, at least the ones I'm familiar with, move one penny for every $1.6666 in payouts. If you hit a $10 payout both meters will advance 6 cents. Hit a $5 payout and both meters will move 3 cents. The meters also advance on any collection of small hits. Hit for 50 cents on one spin then 60 cents on another then 60 cents on another and the meter will move one penny. It equates to .6%.
However, we have to discount that because it's coin out. I use 80% payback to do this. I figure the line pays are worth 80% of the payback. So 80% of .6% is .48%. So it takes, on average, $2.0833 coin-in to move the meter one penny.
I'm looking for a meter that has a current value of at least 25%. Let's look at the Major that must hit by $500. It takes on average $208.33 coin-in to move the meter $1. At an entry point of $482 the average meter hit would be $491. That's $9 in meter movement:
9 X 208.3333 = $1875 coin-in
491/1875 = 26.2%
My entry point on the WMS $500 meters is actually $481.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
This isn't a must hit, but I'm trying to get a feel for what constitutes a good entry point. The minor was about 10x on this one, I played for a couple of hours last night (someone else hit the major, it was over 1k):
This game has got a lot of people interested. There are some variants called Silver 7's or something like that. I made a thousand spins tracking how often the stacked red 7's and the stacked yellow 7's land in the window. I ballparked the red 7's frequency at 18,000 and the yellow's at 22,000. Red 7's meter runs at 1.2% on most machines, yellow 7's, 1%. Red meter starts at $250, yellow $50.
Miinimum bet is $1.35 to qualify for meter. The progressives probably represent only 3% of the payback and that's with meter speed included. With both meters at about $1500 it might be in positive territory.
I won't play the game but I think there is some value there for recreational players. Playing with high meters definitely beats playing a non-progressive slot game.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
I only wish you guys had a formula for video poker progressives! At Red Rock right now the $1 reversible sequential royal games are north of $186,000. $5/play. Don't ask me what the meter is, I don't play it. Bonus is 7/5.
Alan, I think we've gone over this before.
1. Bet is $5
2. Sequential royal odds are 40,234 X 60 = 2,414,040
3. $186, 000 = 37,200 betting units
4. 37200/2414040 = 1.541%
5. 7/5 Bonus Poker =98.01%
6. Total = 99.55%
Alan, you shouldn't waste your time and money on this. Professional teams don't even go after sequential royals even if they are positive. When are you going to get a payday?
Average cost to produce a reversible sequential royal at $1 7/5 Bonus Poker:
2,414,040 X $5 X 2% = $241,404
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
That's my point mickeycrimm. Unlike slots with a must hit there is no telling when or even if the reversible royal sequential will hit.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
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