7 Stars Cruise

[Rob.Singer]

Dan, maybe now you can figure out why Dancer is a high level 7-Stars year after year. He blabs about his "free" trips and cruises along with all the junk & cars he's accumulated (last laugh by Shirley) in the GGWU's, he claims there are "good plays" available in the LV area but only after taking heated and embarrassing questions about it on the forums, he tries so hard to give the impression that he's a big winner there every year, yet he continually is encouraged to just "keep on coming back to play some more" every single year. Add it up and see what you get.

Alan, your issue goes beyond having a gambling problem AND KNOWING IT. You are absolutely OWNED by CET, and that's what I'm trying to help you with. And unless you've been invited to spend the night and half the next day in Brittney Spears' room, stay away from LV on New Years.

[Alan Mendelson]

And unless you've been invited to spend the night and half the next day in Brittney Spears' room, stay away from LV on New Years.

Britney was so 2005. I'm after Katy.



And, it is time for me to confess and put this to an end also:

Alan, your issue goes beyond having a gambling problem AND KNOWING IT. You are absolutely OWNED by CET,

Yes, Rob, my full name is Alan Augustus Octavius Mendelson and my European ancestors come from the Nobu tribesmen who crossed the arctic into Asia thousands of years ago. And it is true, Caesars named its three newest towers after me.

[Rob.Singer]

Humor does tend to ease the truth of it all....

[Dan Druff]

Dan, maybe now you can figure out why Dancer is a high level 7-Stars year after year. He blabs about his "free" trips and cruises along with all the junk & cars he's accumulated (last laugh by Shirley) in the GGWU's, he claims there are "good plays" available in the LV area but only after taking heated and embarrassing questions about it on the forums, he tries so hard to give the impression that he's a big winner there every year, yet he continually is encouraged to just "keep on coming back to play some more" every single year. Add it up and see what you get.

Alan, your issue goes beyond having a gambling problem AND KNOWING IT. You are absolutely OWNED by CET, and that's what I'm trying to help you with. And unless you've been invited to spend the night and half the next day in Brittney Spears' room, stay away from LV on New Years.

There is a large law of diminishing returns of benefits once you reach Seven Stars, because the benefits of "higher Seven Stars" aren't that good/valuable.

Yes, your freeplay increases, but not enough to justify the amount you will need to lose -- at least not anymore. I suppose in the past if you stuck to 99.54% JoB and ran up a ton of play, the freeplay might be worth it provided you can make it out to the casino enough to redeem a lot of them. Since they've cut down the benefits, you shouldn't bother.

There are people who investigate the slots and find a few +EV spots, but that requires a LOT of work, a LOT of time in the casino, a LOT of variance, and a LOT of tedium, so it's really not worth it. I dated a girl briefly in Vegas about 13 years ago who did this, and she was just getting by.

[Alan Mendelson]

There is a large law of diminishing returns of benefits once you reach Seven Stars, because the benefits of "higher Seven Stars" aren't that good/valuable.

That may be true, but if you are just a recreational player this doesn't matter.

[Rob.Singer]

That may be true, but if you are just a recreational player this doesn't matter.

That's the same as saying Dancer must be a recreational player like you are. That prompts readers to look for a commonality, and the only one I can see is how CET owns you both. There may be differences in how you and he approach the whole thing, but the concept of CET ownership thrives on 3 distinct things: that they do anything and everything to get you both to keep on coming in, that you believe you're doing the right thing for your own individual desires, and most importantly....that you both remain total experts in justifying your losses thru their addict programs such as lucrative-sounding offers, the GGWU, etc. etc. etc. If you REALLY want to make the most of the TR program, stop at Diamond.

[Alan Mendelson]

Stop at diamond, Rob? Why go beyond gold?

[Count Room]

There are people who investigate the slots and find a few +EV spots, but that requires a LOT of work, a LOT of time in the casino, a LOT of variance, and a LOT of tedium, so it's really not worth it. I dated a girl briefly in Vegas about 13 years ago who did this, and she was just getting by.

Dan: When you say "slots" in this instance, are you referring to VP machines falling under the umbrella definition of "slots"? Or are there also opportunities out there with bona fide reel/video slot machines?

[Count Room]

Remember the good old days with Telly Savalas first introducing Player's Club in the 1980's? I remember watching this charming commercial as a kid. I wonder if Telly had any idea what a revolutionary idea he was hawking at the time..

[Count Room]

Hah! It looks like gamblers actually PAID MONEY back then ($125/year) to enjoy discounts on casino meals & hotel stays. Times sure have changed, haven't they?

LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Players_International

[Alan Mendelson]

Before the Telly Savalas commercials, do you remember the original "king of free play" Bob Stupak and Vegas World who ran junkets from the east coast to LV with players getting free play coupons?

[Count Room]

Before the Telly Savalas commercials, do you remember the original "king of free play" Bob Stupak and Vegas World who ran junkets from the east coast to LV with players getting free play coupons?

I'm afraid I don't go back that far, Alan, though I do know some scattered facts here and there about Bob Stupak. My dad once brought home a pair of "Vegas World" dice and my knowledge of Stupak slowly grew in tiny increments from there.

[Alan Mendelson]

I tried to find the old TV commercials on YouTube but they aren't there. Stupak called it "casino action" and players would get several thousand dollars of casino action. His "deal" was so impressive he was even featured on 60 Minutes with Morley Safer interviewing him.

[Count Room]

I tried to find the old TV commercials on YouTube but they aren't there. Stupak called it "casino action" and players would get several thousand dollars of casino action. His "deal" was so impressive he was even featured on 60 Minutes with Morley Safer interviewing him.

Well it probably goes without saying that Stupak was a genius at marketing and he could be considered a great business pioneer because of the new concept he embraced at the time...

EDIT: I did read a story about Stu Ungar not too long after he died and Bob Stupak did a public $100K challenge to Stu that he couldn't count down the exact rank and suit of the final cards from a shuffled 6-deck blackjack shoe. Of course, Stu won the challenge but it was a marketing coup for Bob Stupak by drawing in tons of new faces, etc.

[Rob.Singer]

Alan, there are few offers at Gold, and nearly as many at Diamond as in 7-Stars. It's called maximizing opportunities efficiently by taking the time between visits to review what's actually going on in a program, rather than playing in such a frenzy that you never see a thing until you feel the "tingle" of the 7-Stars "gotcha".

There are people who go around claiming the one-armed bandit slot machines can be the so-called +EV. However, intelligent gamblers who know better are aware that there's no such thing, simply because the machines' payouts are controlled by the casinos. You see phonies like "mickey crimm" and others try to make names for themselves by making up stories of how they "used to" make money off of them in "the past" (what else is new?) but when you realize that he's stuck in Montana living with his mommy in his late 50's with no dental plan or future, you see why he makes up such nonsensical stories. And they all do that. The fact is, no "standing around a bank of progressive or other slots" makes any difference to the odds of hitting the jackpot. It is just that simple.

[Alan Mendelson]

Alan, there are few offers at Gold, and nearly as many at Diamond as in 7-Stars. It's called maximizing opportunities efficiently by taking the time between visits to review what's actually going on in a program, rather than playing in such a frenzy that you never see a thing until you feel the "tingle" of the 7-Stars "gotcha".

There are people who go around claiming the one-armed bandit slot machines can be the so-called +EV. However, intelligent gamblers who know better are aware that there's no such thing, simply because the machines' payouts are controlled by the casinos. You see phonies like "mickey crimm" and others try to make names for themselves by making up stories of how they "used to" make money off of them in "the past" (what else is new?) but when you realize that he's stuck in Montana living with his mommy in his late 50's with no dental plan or future, you see why he makes up such nonsensical stories. And they all do that. The fact is, no "standing around a bank of progressive or other slots" makes any difference to the odds of hitting the jackpot. It is just that simple.

Rob, I wish you could give a straight answer, but I don't think you can anymore. I think you've lost it. Now you throw in comments about slot machines and mention another member on another forum.

You dodge the question, why not stop at Gold?

You also avoid facts because anyone who plays and wins and continues to play and win can easily move from Diamond to 7 Stars, and if they continue to win there is no reason why they shouldn't be at even higher 7 Stars levels. In your rush to judgment (or your rush to make the word of Singer God-like) you fail to see this.

Frankly, I think you blew it in your gambling career and now you're trying to get others to endorse your mistake. Your mistake was that you avoided using a player's card out of your hatred for the casinos and whatever you imagined as a battle of the Casino Industry vs Rob Singer and you left a lot of money "on the table" that could have gone into your pockets.

Yes, you blew it Rob. And everyone else who ever cashed in a free play coupon, or took home a set of towels, or got a $500 dinner (or four in one year which is what I can claim) or got to see a baseball game, or Vanessa Williams or Katy Perry at a dinner for 400, knows you blew it. You walked out of casinos all smug that you didn't play it "their way" and all of the 7 Stars walked out of the casinos having had a great meal, or a great weekend, or a great unique experience.

You thrive in your smugness, while hundreds or maybe a few thousand others got to enjoy the extras that smugness can't buy.

Why don't you call up your host and get a seat at my table for Katy Perry for New Year's? You claim you could get anything you wanted.

[Rob.Singer]

Me getting on your nerves for telling the truth about yourself that you aren't able to, isn't helping your reading skills. I explained "why not stop at Gold" only you likely were still reeling over how much youve given CET over the years for not being able to stop playing--and thereby cutting your losses--upon reaching Diamond. After all, anyone who spends so many hours inside casinos getting consistent gambling fixes and then putting countless hours in on gambling forums because you can't stand being away from any action of any kind, virtual or not--and making up stories about why he just cannot go on vacations that do not include gaming--is bound to dislike the truth. And that's a fact; it surely is

[Alan Mendelson]

I forgot something: you were banned by Harrah's and CET. You'll never make 7 Stars.

[Perdition]

Anyone remember the 90s Harrah's(?) commercials that had some fop with a white mask named Zagat(same as the food guide). I wanted to have a laugh and look at them again but never have been able to find them.

[Vegas_lover]

I forgot something: you were banned by Harrah's and CET. You'll never make 7 Stars.

I wouldn't be suprised if this had nothing to do with Singer winning at their properties. I think it's more likely he was banned because of the way he treated employees. It seems one of his most important goals in life is to treat casino employees as the lowest life forms existing.