Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
This does raise an interesting legal question.

Regarding casino promotions which require a lot of -EV play to earn some sort of lucrative bonus/promotional play down the line, does a casino have the right to trespass someone just prior to redeeming the promotion, thus saving the company a lot of money?

If I were in charge of the NGCB, I would definitely say that, short of egregious behavior which would warrant a clear ban, this should not be allowed. If necessary, I would say that the player should be allowed to complete the promotional play earned, even if under supervision, and THEN banned if the casino so chooses.

Otherwise this is ripe for abuse. In fact, casinos could exact revenge upon particular APs they don't like, by inviting them to a lucrative promotion, and then banning them for some flimsy reason before redemption.

I know that players do have a right to earned points in Nevada, but I believe promotional play is different, as casinos can rescind any offer at any time.

According to the description in the case text, it does not seem like Toll committed anything close to an egregious violation to where they should have banned him. It looks like they just got suspicious of his play, invented reasons to search his room, and found a bunch of players' cards (mostly in his name or morphed forms of his name), and then used that as the basis to trespass him, along with some lol website created by a guy who hated him.

Regardless of what you think of Toll himself, it does look like he got screwed here. I don't like the precedent this sets.
I don’t agree here’s my OPINION

It seems WON had lost a significant amount of money and needed to access a credit line. He wasn’t the only AP hitting this promotion so I don’t understand how he lost the amount stated considering the options available. Probably gambling as always. Anyway once he approached his host about pulling a line he had to explain the little situation in Florida. I urge you to do the due diligence on this first. Cliffs on that situation that you can read online as it’s public record involve WON pulling a line for a few hundred thousand by claiming to be part of a big time home builder lol. I will let you read the details. Anyway once he started to inquire about a line at cosmo I’m sure this came up in the casinos background check. It looks like cosmo decided to get rid of him for money laundering concerns, and based on the EVIDENCE and background this was a reasonable thing to do.

Casinos regularly run promotions then back out or ban APs from the players club or property. I don’t think this is one of Those situations. Cosmo had the right to get rid of him IMO. How they went about it may be up for debate.


Plus Todd word on the AP streets is he has tried legally to get you and the owners of WOV to give up the identities of posters who posted negative things about him. Things that are basically public record. All in a attempt to sue. Bennett Reeber the actor former AP was one person he has sued. Again public record so I don’t get how talking about these things is defamatory. In any event i suspect this thread was posted to get some type of discussion around him to further his agenda. My opinion don’t care really it’s just amazing this guy keeps popping up in one lawsuit after another. Definitely a successful AP