The Adventures of MDawg (in progress)

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For those of us with long term holds...which is basically, all of us! today was not fun. No amount of trading I did today made up for the long term hold plummet.

Then again, looking at it philosophically, we were so sky high yesterday that a drop today still doesn't take us below the highs of February.

And futures are bright green at the moment, so tomorrow should be much better than today let's hope.

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MDawg, do me a favor, if you want to insult me with basically the same things you've already said out in the open. Don't send me private messages with the same exact nonsense. I've Let It Go for long enough. Do you really think you're going to get a different response or answer? I understand you've taken some criticism because you say the same old stupid s*** that actually makes you look bad, but you have a burning desire to get the last shot in. If you have a legitimate reason to send me a private message, feel free to do so. You know, perhaps you want to finally confess you have a little tiny dick or something.

I tried to take things one step at a time. I asked you to quote some things you claimed I said. You still haven't done so. However, not once, but twice, you've managed to post up some other nonsense that Freddy posted on another forum. If he's our go-to guy for accurate unbiased information, you're pretty much fucked.

When I have the time, Kirk.


I re-activated one of my lines, from the Old Days, from the days of the Old Ones, at one of the high-end Majors on the Strip, towards the tail end of our last trip in Feb/March 2020. They approved it, I went in and signed for it, and it was good to go. But, was too busy winning at the other three resorts we stayed at that trip, and especially given my these days anyway rule of "Play Where You Stay," I never drew on the new line or got around to playing there.

I run my Central Credit and NCC Reports (the two credit bureaus that track casino credit) once a year, and when I did, I noticed that this new line was listed as inactive, and some kind of "per trip" line versus a permanent one. Never had or even heard of a TTO line before, so I called casino credit directly. She said that I needed to come in and play more regularly for them to make it a permanent line, and that I had not been there in a while, so they made the line inactive.

"But no one's been in, in a while, due to coronavirus!"

"Yes, but you haven't played since ____."

Yes well actually, she was right. She was looking at it along the lines of someone who had a line for almost two decades, who hadn't been in, in over a decade. :o

I should have just asked her
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/1273158...a-41b58cf24cc4
What about the Old Ones? :cool:

Instead, I didn't argue with her just contacted my host and at first he thought it was because I had not come in and signed and presented ID for the line yet, but when he realized that I had done that some months ago, he cut right to it and told me that when I'm ready to come in the line will be open. I told him no hurry anyway, just wanted you to know what needs to be done when we do come back. I like this host in that he's not forceful whatsoever and knows that we players will be back when we feel comfortable with the coronavirus situation.


Anyway, none of that matters today. What matters today is that futures come in green, and TSLA goes up tomorrow. If not tomorrow, at least this week!

Futures not off to a good start, but we might be better by morning.

Looks like you are a small Baccarat player compared to this guy. He does it for a living, lol. And the casino pays him to come back and rape them.

https://www.gamblingforums.com/threa...o.11724/page-5

I will have to check that thread out. :)

But, as you know, two big differences:
1) I don't play Baccarat for a living, as his title states he does.
2) I don't play regional little casinos...Vegas only.

But if he's winning and getting away with it, more power to him.

May I get a 959 print on TSLA today, please?

Tsla. NICE!

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Looks like you are a small Baccarat player compared to this guy. He does it for a living, lol. And the casino pays him to come back and rape them.

https://www.gamblingforums.com/threa...o.11724/page-5

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Aren't all of the baccarat players on that site raping casinos daily without consequence? :rolleyes:

Whether you want to believe that a person may win at Baccarat, or not - there are almost never any consequences to winning at what the casino perceives as a game of chance. The one example I can think of was when Kerry Packer raped the MGM for a grip of money, something like $20M as I recall, in 1995 after the casino manager raised his limit to $500K per hand. He was banned from the MGM after that, BUT he was playing both Baccarat and BJ, so maybe the BJ had something to do with his being banned.

Ironically, he came back to Bellagio in 2001, toting an oxygen tank and everything, on his last leg more or less in life, and dumped all he had won - and by then, Bellagio was owned by MGM, so actually, he gave back to MGM all he had won. I was actually present right then, I was on the very first plane that flew after the grounding of September 11th, and arrived in Vegas that Monday I believe it was, and I saw Packer playing in the back at his own grand Bacc. table. They didn't have private salons in those days yet, but they did have private tables.

After reading Eliot's book, I'm going to start calling you "Fred"

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Looks like you are a small Baccarat player compared to this guy. He does it for a living, lol. And the casino pays him to come back and rape them.

https://www.gamblingforums.com/threa...o.11724/page-5

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Aren't all of the baccarat players on that site raping casinos daily without consequence? :rolleyes:

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Not as much as the Roulette guys. They put a few casinos out of business. And have cool names like Genius.

From the old days, maybe a hundred years ago, when biased roulette wheels still existed, there are verified stories of players taking casinos for staggering sums.

There are legitimate contemporary stories of Baccarat players who have put the lights out of Caribbean casinos.

In Europe, when a table was "busted" from a player's winning too much, they drew something like a table cloth over it - which is where the expression comes from en Francais.

Have you ever seen the movie "The Winner"? (1996) At the end Philip converts a suitcase of $250K in cash into one glowing surreal token that he puts on the Wheel of Fortune, and, presumably, wins, as the lights go out, at that casino, all the neighboring casinos, and all over Las Vegas. From the expression, "put the casino's lights out."

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Originally Posted by MDawg

From the old days, maybe a hundred years ago, when biased roulette wheels still existed, there are verified stories of players taking casinos for staggering sums.

There are legitimate contemporary stories of Baccarat players who have put the lights out of Caribbean casinos.

In Europe, when a table was "busted" from a player's winning too much, they drew something like a table cloth over it - which is where the expression comes from en Francais.

Have you ever seen the movie "The Winner"? (1996) At the end Philip converts a suitcase of $250K in cash into one glowing surreal token that he puts on the Wheel of Fortune, and, presumably, wins, as the lights go out, at that casino, all the neighboring casinos, and all over Las Vegas. From the expression, "put the casino's lights out."

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Seriously, you are smarter than than using a movie to make a point.

Anyone who ever got shut down from playing Baccarat was either cheating or was playing at limits the casino had no reason to accept based on their bankroll or tolerance for losses. Casinos do get greedy at times thinking the HA will always come out in their favor. They forget they need the bankroll to survive the swings on such a low HA game.

I read through some of the "Baccarat for a Living" thread at GF.

I get it - it's easy to look at it and wonder if this is the whole story, and whether the guy might be winning at one casino and losing at another. The same thoughts some of you had with my Adventures thread. But there is a simplicity to the way he tells the story that rings truthfully, to my thinking. Everything he mentions is possible, and about the only disproportionate aspect of his story is the level of comps he claims to be getting against his play. He seems to be a cash player judging from how he is showing a stack of cash up in the suite "getting ready to play" before he goes down to the floor. As a cash player he wouldn't get the same level of comps as a recurrent credit line player. And the play numbers he describes don't seem to quite warrant fifteen grand in promotional chips monthly, if that is what he is saying - that he gets that much every single month. (Back then I used to get five grand in promotional chips somewhat regularly, but by no means each month.)

However, to earn his fifteen grand in promo chips, he might play something like the way I used to play over a decade ago - before my decade or so hiatus - when I had $20K lines - if I lost at one casino I'd run across the street and win it back promptly, pay off the first casino, and then keep playing. Sometimes this would happen three deep where one casino would show a sixty grand loss all paid off, while I had won much more at other casinos. If this guy plays like that, constantly running between different casinos winning at one to pay the other, they might view him as more like a sixty grand player instead of just a twenty, and then maybe he might warrant getting all those comps. Also he appears to be playing at some regional casino, so maybe their comp requirements are lower tier than those in Vegas.

It is interesting that within that GF thread someone said something about how he would need to be playing average $3000. per hand to get that level of comps, because that is exactly the average bet I used to maintain back then. Also, the type of extreme play he describes that he learned to overcome - swinging forty grand back and forth between plus and minus twenty K at a time regularly - that is exactly the way I used to be too. So maybe he is describing the same sort of learning curve process I experienced that brought me to the disciplined play that helps me win almost every session these days. I certainly don't tear back and forth between casinos in a heartbeat any longer to make up losses, and I don't swing regularly between plus twenty and minus twenty any more. Nowadays, if I should lose at one session at one casino, I don't chase it immediately - I mean; I am a much more emotionless consistent player these recent years.

In any case I made a post in his thread and suggested that if he wanted to address any detractors he could post videos of his online casino accounts to substantiate the wins, the way I have. But whether he does or not it's a cool thread, albeit not as detailed or as well written as mine.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

In any case I made a post in his thread and suggested that if he wanted to address any detractors he could post videos of his online casino accounts to substantiate the wins, the way I have. But whether he does or not it's a cool thread, albeit not as detailed or as well written as mine.

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Such a dick. Laughed out loud. Love it. I make no statement whatsoever either supporting or against your individual claims.

Wynn buffet re-opening June 18th.
https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2020/...pen-this-week/

From communications with my host I understand that they will be accepting table reservations - this is new, before whether you were a Tower Suites guest, a "star" key holder or holding a VIP Pass, still you could not book a table in advance, and also now food will be brought to you as you select it from your table. This makes sense - trying to get people to distance socially while lining up at the buffet tables might not have worked out.

I hope the menus they provide at the tables will be visual in nature.
https://i.imgur.com/Ertd88bt.jpg
Bring me sum ribs!

Over all, Wynn/Encore is really trying to present a full court press - all restaurants, spas (except for wet areas), fitness facilities, pools, golf course, VIP lounges, full cocktail service, all gaming areas, pretty much everything is OPEN as before, other than of course day and night clubs.


Buffet-wise, I understand that T.I. for example - has given up, closed its buffet permanently and is converting the area into an extension of its sports book.

Uhoh.

Mayfair Supper Club closed after Bellagio restaurant worker tests positive
https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...itive-2055536/

Does NOT sound edifying.

In Massachusetts, EVERYone will be wearing a mask. No craps, no poker, no roulette.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...masks-2055422/

Some of the proposed restrictions by the MA Gaming Commission, such as turning off not one but TWO machines between active machines were so restrictive the the casino declared that such a plan wouldn’t make the slot floor financially viable. As well, plexiglass that could provide six feet social distancing has been hard to come by - the best the casinos could find are 5 by 10 feet. Back to the drawing board!

Although Baccarat is not mentioned specifically (blackjack, roulette, craps, poker are mentioned), Masks will now be required for all players where there is no plexiglass barrier between players and the dealers:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...evada-2055601/

“Licensees must require patrons to wear face coverings at table and card games if there is no barrier, partition or shield between the dealer and each player,” the new guidance said. “This requirement applies to table and card game players, spectators and any other person within 6 feet of any table or card game.”

Given the choice between a mask and a plexiglass barrier, I suppose I'd rather wear a mask. The images I've seen at least at Baccarat tables show a small slot through which the cards are dealt. We are still allowed to handle the cards in midi-Baccarat. I'd probably end up cutting the top of my hand on plexiglass every time I slammed the winning hands down. Or I'd have to reduce myself to snapping the winning cards down feebly within the confines of that slot.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Uhoh.

Mayfair Supper Club closed after Bellagio restaurant worker tests positive
https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...itive-2055536/

Does NOT sound edifying.

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If they have to shut down entire restaurants and areas of the casino just because one person tests positive, that's really going to be a huge issue.

A new all time low for WOV. 289K!
https://i.imgur.com/1RdwgSol.png

A few Arizona casinos couldn't stay open, re-closing:

Arizona casinos’ virus safety plan mirrored Las Vegas casinos’; now they’re closed:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...losed-2056470/


Perhaps the reason why, as noted above, that the Nevada gaming control switched to mandating masks at all table games where 6' plexiglass barriers were not in place.

So what you're saying is there's only 289,000 sites that have more interest?

Is that terrible in a world approaching 8 billion in population?

I have no clue. That's why I ask.

It would probably rank lower if everyone would quit checking it multiple times a day....LOL

Is there really anything worth checking more than once per week at this point?

It's relative to where they were.

At the height of the Adventures of MDawg thread, before my WOV suspensions started in 2019, WOV Alexa rank was around 77K. Once I was suspended, dropped straight down to around 200K, got back up to around 174K in mid March 2020, when my thread was back, and then ever since MDawg was suspended, it's been a very steady downhill.

Last I had checked Alexa, just a couple weeks ago, they were at 258K. And now WOV is at 289K.

I stopped looking at WOV. I don't even allow the site to load, for any reason. I might go back to checking it occasionally. But still, there aren't that many of us here at VCT to begin with (maybe - a dozen active members?) to even glance at WOV - our dirty dozen's loading WOV a few times a day wouldn't help the ranking much.

With all of these sites - VCT included, the primary traffic is unregistered guests. At any given moment on the average forum there are anywhere from 10 to 100 or even 1000 X more guests on there than registered logged on members. That's why the Adventures of MDawg threads have hundreds of thousands of hits these come from unregistered guests visiting.

For example at this moment, there are 117 guests on here versus 8 registered members:
https://i.imgur.com/jbT1AkUl.png

If you check, these unregistered guests tend to be viewing the most popular forum threads.

Now, some of these guests are Google and other search engine bots, that appear the moment any new content appears on the site, to scrape it, but these bots arrive and leave quickly - any sustained guest traffic tends to be human.

If you check Alexa, it also tells you how long the average visitor spent on the site in an average day. This latest 289K rank indicates an average of five minutes. That is a fairly long time, and not indicative of bot traffic. Five minutes is indicative of some level of engagement.

By comparison, Facebook, ranked #4 in the world, engages the average visitor for about eighteen minutes a day
https://i.imgur.com/O9x1hw7m.png
which is not absurdly higher than the five minutes at WOV.

The higher the Alexa rank the bigger the bucks the site justifies for PPC and banner advertising. As WOV traffic heads downhill, that's just less money the owners are able to justify an advertiser to pay for those banner ads.

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It's relative to where they were.

At the height of the Adventures of MDawg thread, before my WOV suspensions started in 2019, WOV Alexa rank was around 77K. Once I was suspended, dropped straight down to around 200K, got back up to around 174K in mid March 2020, when my thread was back, and then ever since MDawg was suspended, it's been a very steady downhill.

Last I had checked Alexa, just a couple weeks ago, they were at 258K. And now WOV is at 289K.

I stopped looking at WOV. I don't even allow the site to load, for any reason. I might go back to checking it occasionally. But still, there aren't that many of us here at VCT to begin with (maybe - a dozen active members?) to even glance at WOV - our dirty dozen's loading WOV a few times a day wouldn't help the ranking much.

With all of these sites - VCT included, the primary traffic is unregistered guests. At any given moment on the average forum there are anywhere from 10 to 100 or even 1000 X more guests on there than registered logged on members. That's why the Adventures of MDawg threads have hundreds of thousands of hits these come from unregistered guests visiting.

For example at this moment, there are 117 guests on here versus 8 registered members:
https://i.imgur.com/jbT1AkUl.png

If you check, these unregistered guests tend to be viewing the most popular forum threads.

Now, some of these guests are Google and other search engine bots, that appear the moment any new content appears on the site, to scrape it, but these bots arrive and leave quickly - any sustained guest traffic tends to be human.

If you check Alexa, it also tells you how long the average visitor spent on the site in an average day. This latest 289K rank indicates an average of five minutes. That is a fairly long time, and not indicative of bot traffic. Five minutes is indicative of some level of engagement.

By comparison, Facebook, ranked #4 in the world, engages the average visitor for about eighteen minutes a day
https://i.imgur.com/O9x1hw7m.png
which is not absurdly higher than the five minutes at WOV.

The higher the Alexa rank the bigger the bucks the site justifies for PPC and banner advertising. As WOV traffic heads downhill, that's just less money the owners are able to justify an advertiser to pay for those banner ads.

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It's highly unlikely they get paid for banner ads or clicks. Normally, Casino affiliate programs only pay their Affiliates when someone uses their link, signs up and MAKES A DEPOSIT. Mike said multiple times, WOV made very very little money, if any at all. The revenue comes from Wizard Of Odds. If that WOV was worthwhile, I have no doubt they would be much more active on there and it would look a lot more like LCB.
I have a feeling that site deters more people from online gambling then it entices given all the negative stuff said about online gambling there.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

It's relative to where they were.

At the height of the Adventures of MDawg thread, before my WOV suspensions started in 2019, WOV Alexa rank was around 77K. Once I was suspended, dropped straight down to around 200K, got back up to around 174K in mid March 2020, when my thread was back, and then ever since MDawg was suspended, it's been a very steady downhill.

Last I had checked Alexa, just a couple weeks ago, they were at 258K. And now WOV is at 289K.

I stopped looking at WOV. I don't even allow the site to load, for any reason. I might go back to checking it occasionally. But still, there aren't that many of us here at VCT to begin with (maybe - a dozen active members?) to even glance at WOV - our dirty dozen's loading WOV a few times a day wouldn't help the ranking much.

With all of these sites - VCT included, the primary traffic is unregistered guests. At any given moment on the average forum there are anywhere from 10 to 100 or even 1000 X more guests on there than registered logged on members. That's why the Adventures of MDawg threads have hundreds of thousands of hits these come from unregistered guests visiting.

For example at this moment, there are 117 guests on here versus 8 registered members:
https://i.imgur.com/jbT1AkUl.png

If you check, these unregistered guests tend to be viewing the most popular forum threads.

Now, some of these guests are Google and other search engine bots, that appear the moment any new content appears on the site, to scrape it, but these bots arrive and leave quickly - any sustained guest traffic tends to be human.

If you check Alexa, it also tells you how long the average visitor spent on the site in an average day. This latest 289K rank indicates an average of five minutes. That is a fairly long time, and not indicative of bot traffic. Five minutes is indicative of some level of engagement.

By comparison, Facebook, ranked #4 in the world, engages the average visitor for about eighteen minutes a day
https://i.imgur.com/O9x1hw7m.png
which is not absurdly higher than the five minutes at WOV.

The higher the Alexa rank the bigger the bucks the site justifies for PPC and banner advertising. As WOV traffic heads downhill, that's just less money the owners are able to justify an advertiser to pay for those banner ads.

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It's highly unlikely they get paid for banner ads or clicks. Normally, Casino affiliate programs only pay their Affiliates when someone uses their link, signs up and MAKES A DEPOSIT. Mike said multiple times, WOV made very very little money, if any at all. The revenue comes from Wizard Of Odds. If that WOV was worthwhile, I have no doubt they would be much more active on there and it would look a lot more like LCB.
I have a feeling that site deters more people from online gambling then it entices given all the negative stuff said about online gambling there.

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Your probably right, that would explain why Chan and Zuga could care less and let Wizard pulverize the place.

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

Your probably right, that would explain why Chan and Zuga could care less and let Wizard pulverize the place.

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He's definitely right.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

Your probably right, that would explain why Chan and Zuga could care less and let Wizard pulverize the place.

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He's definitely right.

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Except for the part when one or both of the Serbs stepped in to remove political discussions being allowed. That showed that they have some concerns about how the site is viewed. That said I agree with everyone that the site makes little or no money and they leave it mostly alone for the Wizard to use as a playground for his perverse amusement.

WOO has been going down too. See the sharp downward slope?
https://i.imgur.com/IbOBBPnm.png

I haven't tracked WOO regularly but I do recall looking at it once about a year ago and seeing a much higher Alexa rank there too, in the area of 70000 or so (which, actually, WOV was in the 77K range too, about a year ago. The reason I recall this is that I have a business site that is in the top 100K which is where you want to be.) Anywhere in the top 100K is pretty good, but within the top 50K is great.

When Axel says that casino websites pay only for people who click on their banners and then verifiably sign up,

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Casino affiliate programs only pay their Affiliates when someone uses their link, signs up and MAKES A DEPOSIT.

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I am sure he is just saying that because he thinks it is true. He's never owned an online casino. And there's the biggest different between this jokester and me - if I don't know, I won't say a word. I don't know if casinos operate differently from other PPC (pay per click) or pay for placement (rent space on a site for a banner) advertisers, so I won't comment. But I do know SEO, and given that Axel came in here and spouted some nonsense about "how easy it is to manipulate Alexa rankings" I have to assume that he may have no idea what he is talking about here too.

Just spending a few minutes of research I found this article
The Cost of Google Adwords
for Online Casino's
https://www.sayu.co.uk/the-cost-of-g...e-casinos.html
which outlines the PPC cost of casino advertising online, and just the existence of this article contradicts Axel's claim that online casinos will not pay per click for advertising.

What's the ranking on this site?

I haven't tracked VCT regularly but last I looked it was over a million. That's not really all that bad I mean there are legitimate sites making a few grand a month (in sales of product) that have NO Alexa rank (meaning so little traffic Alex doesn't bother to rank them) but such sites might be targeted well with organic SEO or PPC so that they have a high rate of conversions (high rate of those who go there...buy something).

You could have a site with only 100 visitors a day but if ten of them buy something that could make a lot for the site.

Between the three sites: WOV > GF > VCT as far as traffic.

Diversitytomorrow.com has a rank of 7.5 M - way down there, lower than many sites that Alexa doesn't bother to rank anymore.

Masks now mandatory at all Vegas table games...because of those who flaunted the suggestion to wear them!
https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...hange-2056887/

As incredible as it seems, the contingent of people who vow to never set foot inside a Nevada casino as long as protective facial coverings are not required can thank those who refuse to enter if they’re forced to wear them.

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

Your probably right, that would explain why Chan and Zuga could care less and let Wizard pulverize the place.

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He's definitely right.

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Except for the part when one or both of the Serbs stepped in to remove political discussions being allowed. That showed that they have some concerns about how the site is viewed. That said I agree with everyone that the site makes little or no money and they leave it mostly alone for the Wizard to use as a playground for his perverse amusement.

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I can't really comment. If you know for a fact that they directly decided that, then you already know more about it than I do.

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I am sure he is just saying that because he thinks it is true. He's never owned an online casino. And there's the biggest different between this jokester and me - if I don't know, I won't say a word. I don't know if casinos operate differently from other PPC (pay per click) or pay for placement (rent space on a site for a banner) advertisers, so I won't comment. But I do know SEO, and given that Axel came in here and spouted some nonsense about "how easy it is to manipulate Alexa rankings" I have to assume that he may have no idea what he is talking about here too.

Just spending a few minutes of research I found this article
The Cost of Google Adwords
for Online Casino's
https://www.sayu.co.uk/the-cost-of-g...e-casinos.html
which outlines the PPC cost of casino advertising online, and just the existence of this article contradicts Axel's claim that online casinos will not pay per click for advertising.

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Maybe he is just saying it because he thinks it's true, but even if you're right about that, it wouldn't make his statement any less correct.

They might also do PPC, don't know, there might also be some metadata sales and other stuff that goes on (I also don't know). But, at a minimum, the primary revenue source is from folks actually depositing into the online casinos. Granted, more page views (eyes) results in more outreach, so it's good in that sense, but is hardly the bottom line.

Anyway, now you're the one just spouting off. I don't claim to know all of the components of the revenue structure, but I do know deposits are the biggest part of it.

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Originally Posted by Mission146

They might also do PPC, don't know, there might also be some metadata sales and other stuff that goes on (I also don't know).

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If you don't know, then stay out of it! Well, at least you don't make TENS of THOUSANDS of posts when you don't know. Just a few.

You know the Wiz - why don't you message him and ask him directly - do your banner ads on your sites pay revenue just for display, via PPC or only if someone follows them all the way to conversion (sign up). I know him too and could ask him directly but in that he's discussed legal matters with me I think it would be inappropriate for me to relay anything he and I discuss in public.

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WOO has been going down too. See the sharp downward slope?
https://i.imgur.com/IbOBBPnm.png

I haven't tracked WOO regularly but I do recall looking at it once about a year ago and seeing a much higher Alexa rank there too, in the area of 70000 or so (which, actually, WOV was in the 77K range too, about a year ago. The reason I recall this is that I have a business site that is in the top 100K which is where you want to be.) Anywhere in the top 100K is pretty good, but within the top 50K is great.

When Axel says that casino websites pay only for people who click on their banners and then verifiably sign up,

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

Casino affiliate programs only pay their Affiliates when someone uses their link, signs up and MAKES A DEPOSIT.

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I am sure he is just saying that because he thinks it is true. He's never owned an online casino. And there's the biggest different between this jokester and me - if I don't know, I won't say a word. I don't know if casinos operate differently from other PPC (pay per click) or pay for placement (rent space on a site for a banner) advertisers, so I won't comment. But I do know SEO, and given that Axel came in here and spouted some nonsense about "how easy it is to manipulate Alexa rankings" I have to assume that he may have no idea what he is talking about here too.

Just spending a few minutes of research I found this article
The Cost of Google Adwords
for Online Casino's
https://www.sayu.co.uk/the-cost-of-g...e-casinos.html
which outlines the PPC cost of casino advertising online, and just the existence of this article contradicts Axel's claim that online casinos will not pay per click for advertising.

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I have no idea what that link is that you just posted, it looks like a for-profit site counting whatever they are selling. I'm sure there's always some exceptions to the rule. Go look at all the casinos they advertise on wov and look at each casinos affiliate program, I guarantee you most of them are either a commission based off of what the players loss is or it's based on a CPA per deposit or some type of hybrid deal.

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WOO has been going down too. See the sharp downward slope?
https://i.imgur.com/IbOBBPnm.png

I haven't tracked WOO regularly but I do recall looking at it once about a year ago and seeing a much higher Alexa rank there too, in the area of 70000 or so (which, actually, WOV was in the 77K range too, about a year ago. The reason I recall this is that I have a business site that is in the top 100K which is where you want to be.) Anywhere in the top 100K is pretty good, but within the top 50K is great.

When Axel says that casino websites pay only for people who click on their banners and then verifiably sign up,

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Casino affiliate programs only pay their Affiliates when someone uses their link, signs up and MAKES A DEPOSIT.

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I am sure he is just saying that because he thinks it is true. He's never owned an online casino. And there's the biggest different between this jokester and me - if I don't know, I won't say a word. I don't know if casinos operate differently from other PPC (pay per click) or pay for placement (rent space on a site for a banner) advertisers, so I won't comment. But I do know SEO, and given that Axel came in here and spouted some nonsense about "how easy it is to manipulate Alexa rankings" I have to assume that he may have no idea what he is talking about here too.

Just spending a few minutes of research I found this article
The Cost of Google Adwords
for Online Casino's
https://www.sayu.co.uk/the-cost-of-g...e-casinos.html
which outlines the PPC cost of casino advertising online, and just the existence of this article contradicts Axel's claim that online casinos will not pay per click for advertising.

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I have no idea what that link is that you just posted, it looks like a for-profit site counting whatever they are selling. I'm sure there's always some exceptions to the rule. Go look at all the casinos they advertise on wov and look at each casinos affiliate program, I guarantee you most of them are either a commission based off of what the players loss is or it's based on a CPA per deposit or some type of hybrid deal.

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Just an uneducated guess, but I would see WoO dropping in the last 3 months based on a lack of interest in casinos when they were closed.

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https://www.visitwynn.com/documents/...inner_Menu.pdf

Here is a link to the dinner menu. Not worth $60 a person to me, but maybe it is to others.

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This might just be the world we live in now, and the only way a buffet will work, but two problems with the Wynn system:

1. When I eat at a buffet I'll eat a lot, maybe fifteen plates of food, but I'll take just a small, sometimes even tiny amount of each dish that I want. I'll eat all of it, no waste. The Wynn system brings you a full serving of each item you choose, which is going to lead to a lot of waste - eating Jim Morrison style like that, ordering a bunch of dishes just to taste each one - the wastefulness would bother me.

2. The words on the menu don't translate necessarily to knowing whether you really want the dish. A picture might be helpful, but I need to see it in person to decide for sure, which again this menu system might lead to waste from ordering things that arrive and don't look as appetizing as they sound.

And again, this might just be the world we live in now, and must accept it.

In the end, the casino might end up making more money on the buffet doing it this way, as people feel inhibited from ordering too much food as the half full dishes rack up, or - they get full from eating up all of the first few plates brought to them, and stop ordering. I know no traditional buffet makes money on me - I eat too much.

They'll pay you to wear a mask!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas...210733720.html

Wearing a mask inside a Caesars Entertainment casino?

Someone from the company may tap you on the shoulder and slip you $20 to gamble.

The operator of five reopened hotel-casinos on The Strip has launched the promotion to encourage guests to wear masks and prevent the spread of COVID-19.

Over the weekend, a promotions team walked through Caesars Palace, Paris, Flamingo, The Linq and Harrah's to find people wearing masks while gambling or strolling the casino floor. All told, 375 guests got $7,500.

At first I thought this was about paying the people without masks $20. to put one on, but no, it's about positive reinforcement - getting paid to wear one.

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WOO has been going down too. See the sharp downward slope?
https://i.imgur.com/IbOBBPnm.png

I haven't tracked WOO regularly but I do recall looking at it once about a year ago and seeing a much higher Alexa rank there too, in the area of 70000 or so (which, actually, WOV was in the 77K range too, about a year ago. The reason I recall this is that I have a business site that is in the top 100K which is where you want to be.) Anywhere in the top 100K is pretty good, but within the top 50K is great.

When Axel says that casino websites pay only for people who click on their banners and then verifiably sign up,

I am sure he is just saying that because he thinks it is true. He's never owned an online casino. And there's the biggest different between this jokester and me - if I don't know, I won't say a word. I don't know if casinos operate differently from other PPC (pay per click) or pay for placement (rent space on a site for a banner) advertisers, so I won't comment. But I do know SEO, and given that Axel came in here and spouted some nonsense about "how easy it is to manipulate Alexa rankings" I have to assume that he may have no idea what he is talking about here too.

Just spending a few minutes of research I found this article
The Cost of Google Adwords
for Online Casino's
https://www.sayu.co.uk/the-cost-of-g...e-casinos.html
which outlines the PPC cost of casino advertising online, and just the existence of this article contradicts Axel's claim that online casinos will not pay per click for advertising.

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I have no idea what that link is that you just posted, it looks like a for-profit site counting whatever they are selling. I'm sure there's always some exceptions to the rule. Go look at all the casinos they advertise on wov and look at each casinos affiliate program, I guarantee you most of them are either a commission based off of what the players loss is or it's based on a CPA per deposit or some type of hybrid deal.

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Just an uneducated guess, but I would see WoO dropping in the last 3 months based on a lack of interest in casinos when they were closed.

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That would make sens. I wonder if LCB went up? Whatever the case, I have not once ever cared or wondered how if my presents on a website attracted views or not. Would you say that you have to be a conceited insecure person to wonder that? Now imagine if you kept posting about such matters?

There are two separate issues:

1) IS the traffic at WOV going down.

2) WHY is it going down.

What's absurd, is that you look at the evidence in front of you and deny both, implying that the traffic was somehow artificially boosted when I was there meaning that it is now just back to normal - versus accepting the clear reality that the WOV traffic has been going down consistently, PERIOD.

You come in and say,

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You can easily manipulate your Alexa rank by creating a JavaScript function to loop through an array of page addresses from your website. The trick is to get each address to open in a separate window. Then, have the function loop back to the beginning once it reaches the end. This is how some people manipulate their Alexa Rank without actually generating more traffic.

Whenever you're over there posting you are probably generating all that extra traffic yourself and let's not forget there are Bots that can also help with the task.

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which to anyone who knows, establishes that you - to use a Boz expression :D - "have no clue" about the matter, but still you insist.

And then at the same time Axel claims he doesn’t care about site traffic:

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but you sure go to the trouble to post about it!
https://i.imgur.com/TnAb4Lkl.jpg

In any case, any fool (but not you Axel), because you're eager to challenge ANYone over ANYthing

https://i.imgur.com/mnJSfpt.png

would concede at least that WOV forum traffic has gone down substantially over the past year. And only the clueless (or blindly argumentative) would opine that this staggering drop has to do with manipulation.

Forums are so last year. Twitter is all the rage now.

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They might also do PPC, don't know, there might also be some metadata sales and other stuff that goes on (I also don't know).

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If you don't know, then stay out of it! Well, at least you don't make TENS of THOUSANDS of posts when you don't know. Just a few.

You know the Wiz - why don't you message him and ask him directly - do your banner ads on your sites pay revenue just for display, via PPC or only if someone follows them all the way to conversion (sign up). I know him too and could ask him directly but in that he's discussed legal matters with me I think it would be inappropriate for me to relay anything he and I discuss in public.

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I'm pretty sure disclaiming that you don't actually know something confers upon one the right to speculate. My point was more along the lines of I know that there are sites that make money that way, but I don't know if WoO/WoV does.

To answer your question:

1.) Because I don't care that much.

2.) Because if he answered me privately, I couldn't share the information anyway.

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Just an uneducated guess, but I would see WoO dropping in the last 3 months based on a lack of interest in casinos when they were closed.

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I agree with that.

Over the last several years, in general, message boards have experienced falling traffic. Facebook and Twitter are kind of like the Walmart and Target of social sites whereas sites such as WoV (and many other topical forums) are kind of like the specialty stores. You know it's pretty serious when even Google tried to get into the game and ended up basically 86'ing that idea. That's not the only factor, of course, but most casual gamblers can find out what they want to find out just by going to the social media page for a particular casino or doing a Facebook/Twitter search for what they want to know. Before these sites really blew up, you'd sometimes have people joining WoV to post questions specific to a certain casino to see if anyone knew anything about it...now you can pretty much just ask them directly.

Amzn heading to 28!

Caesar's Ent. and MGM casinos started off mandating masks inside casinos, but that is a moot point now since as of Friday masks will be required inside in all public areas - including of course all casinos.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nevadas...ic-11593049569

Thoughts on Inside the Edge…and that’s why I would never want to make a living at gambling. What a grind! Unlike KC, I never had to move beyond the invited guest / high roller stage because I never needed the money, it was and continues to be just a game to me, where I have to win, but don’t need to.

By the way, while KC was thinking that it was variance that was killing him during the winter, when his bankroll went from 650 to 300K, I think it was more that he got tired…the cold winter’s drag of the mid-west and back east got to him…he wasn’t playing at his best…and then as soon as he hit Florida and the Bahamas, back on track. Mere coincidence? that he started winning again in the warmer nicer locales, or was it that they wore him down for a period? in the cold.

In any case, variance, cold or not playing at his best, just shows how big wins (or losses) might happen at any time. I don’t necessarily agree with his altering basic strategy to the point of doubling a hard nine against a dealer ten face up just because the count is plus 3. Seeing the hole card or having the dealer TELL me his hole card, yes I've experienced that, in a scenario like that, sure, I've altered basic strategy greatly.

So he won $450K busting his ass for a year. Back when I played much harder, I have won almost that in just one trip having a great time as an invited guest fully comp’ed and been invited back. Whatever he is doing is not a sustainable game plan, and I think he realizes it, otherwise why show all his different faces on a nationally broadcast movie.

I’ll stick with what works, and hiding just to play at a casino is not something I’d ever want to do. I have a thousand other ways to make a lot more money in the real world, so to keep ‘em happy, I’ll keep switching up between black jack and Baccarat, and winning at both. Always keep the casinos guessing.

Dude... shut up. Not one person is buying your tripe.

You're universally hated here. I looked back and people ridiculed you right and left no matter what you had to say. Hey, I have nothing against you, but what's my opinion against all the rest who hate you here?

Tricky trading today and yesterday, but buying on dips is still alive.

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You're universally hated here. I looked back and people ridiculed you right and left no matter what you had to say. Hey, I have nothing against you, but what's my opinion against all the rest who hate you here?

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He's still a legend, in a league of his own, the only poster in history to delete all his posts.

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You're universally hated here. I looked back and people ridiculed you right and left no matter what you had to say. Hey, I have nothing against you, but what's my opinion against all the rest who hate you here?

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And you think I give a shit? I not here for friends nor am I here to impress people le you keep trying to do. Breaking news, you're not doing a good job.

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He's still a legend, in a league of his own, the only poster in history to delete all his posts.

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Please keep thinking that. We're laughing at you!

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He's still a legend, in a league of his own, the only poster in history to delete all his posts.

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Please keep thinking that. We're laughing at you!

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Keep denying, there are many other long time posters who think the same. I don't see the shame in admitting it, other then the deleted posts and talking about Detroit all the time. Almost 12000 posts unaccounted for.

Deleting that level of posts is indicative of getting caught in inconsistency and lies. At WOV: This is probably why SiegfriedRoy deleted his own story about winning a million at BJ (and all of his own follow up posts about the story), and why the BaccaratNine or whatever his name was, deleted many of his posts and then made some lame comment about "I was told to do this." You could almost feel, even across the internet, the uneasy resignation to having been caught in untruths. :rolleyes:


If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.

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Dude... shut up. Not one person is buying your tripe.

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In his defense, In just about 4 months, this thread has 67 pages. Big Casino Wins and Jackpots is almost 8 years old and has 182. The WOV Thread is a little over two years old and has 244. Mdawgs Adventure thread is the fastest growing thread on here in just about 4 months. :)

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Deleting that level of posts is indicative of getting caught in inconsistency and lies. At WOV: This is probably why SiegfriedRoy deleted his own story about winning a million at BJ (and all of his own follow up posts about the story), and why the BaccaratNine or whatever his name was, deleted many of his posts and then made some lame comment about "I was told to do this." You could almost feel, even across the internet, the uneasy resignation to having been caught in untruths. :rolleyes:


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He deleted his posts on his way out, boycotting WOV, kudos to him for leaving, he was one of the first mass posters to boycott. Why he's so ashamed to admit to it, when probably a dozen or more people know it's him, is beyond comprehension. I think he's a good poster, even though he pulls the occasional tantrum. It's like Singer who never admitted to being Jerry Logan when most knew he was.

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Are you still spying on him from behind trash cans in Detroit casinos?

Why didn't you to introduce yourself to him, instead of stalking him on VCT?

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Are you still spying on him from behind trash cans in Detroit casinos?

Why didn't you to introduce yourself to him, instead of stalking him on VCT?

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Tough guy Beer Belly, coming out of the woodwork after a long hiatus. I must have psychic abilities, as soon as I seen your name, I knew exactly what you posted, so predictable. You still haven't let us down, asking a question in over 98% of your posts.

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Yeah but why are you letting us down by not answering?

You hide behind trash cans spying on him, why haven't you introduced yourself?

Just to give you an idea of the thought process and how this works, today was starting off iffy so I was entering positions very small, hesitantly.

I first did a larger GOOGL trade, then a very small AMZN trade for 2 pts @ just 100 sh (actually that was a SHORT 2777 to 2775 I should have just held that one that would have made all the money for the day in one swoop as AMZN ended up dropping to 2725!), but I was more eyeing GOOGL because I've been doing really well on that one lately.

On this second GOOGL trade I started much smaller I bot 100 GOOGL @ 1423 but when it dropped heavily another 100 @ 1413.
https://i.imgur.com/6NJjFNcl.png

At that point it kept dropping. I needed at that point to get serious, as adding in piddling 100 share lots wasn't going to do it. I entered a few orders to buy at ever lower points, but cancelled them as it looked to me that it would drop even further. I was going to buy in 800 to get to my usual share lot of 1000, but decided to bring in 900 to lower the basis sufficiently.

Finally I bought in at 1396. This gave me now 1100 shares averaged at 1400. Yes, that's $1.54M worth of Google in one trade, but I was prepared to buy more if needed.

https://i.imgur.com/9Dj3p7Xl.png

Fortunately, it wasn't needed. Although it dropped as low as 1386 and change - at which point I was down something like $14K, I didn't need to average back in. In this situation I was sure it would pop its head back over 1400 at least, so I put the order to dump the whole 1100 at 1400.5 which would make me - really nothing - just $550., but the objective was to get out of the trade and do some other trades, because in the meanwhile AMZN was running really well and I needed to get back to larger lots, more like 500 or 1000 share lots, of AMZN trades, now that I could see the pattern. AMZN had bottomed out and was running back up, so longs were in order.

GOOGL did just barely make it to just under 1401, FILLED, and then collapsed again down to the 1395s.

I had a previous GOOGL trade, when it was rising faster, that made a grand, plus the two hunny from the dinky AMZN trade, so that's pushing two grand from these three trades.

And onwards.

If you have the buying power and the ability, it's hard to lose even on a day like this. A grand here, a grand there, it adds up to about ten grand a day just trading like this. Yes, you need a lot in your accounts to begin with to make ten grand a day SAFELY (because then if you get stuck, you may average in more shares or ride it out past today if need be - no margin calls for MDawg! he trades all cash), but still it's all good.

And in the meantime I also have long term GOOGL shares that were bought so long ago that little drop like today doesn't matter in the long term scheme of things.

I do this sort of thing all the time, not every day, but most every day. Then there are periods when I get busy with other work and I might not trade all week. It just depends - it's more of a hobby than anything else as I don't even pull the money out of the accounts I just watch them grow, both through my own trading, and through the over all eleven year bull run of the stock market.

I think that's the way you have to be with the stock market. If you MUST make it, you may end up making poor decisions. If you don't care, don't really need the money and jump in only if you see the opportunity, you will do better. And that goes for casino gambling too.

Same fake site Michael Morgenstern used. Fuck off!

Now if you want to unwind the ticker, go back over today's trades, take a look. You'll see the trades I made.

jbjb jbjb jbjb (MDawg shaking his head)

You're just making yourself look more and more stupid. Evidently you don't have a stock trading account or you'd recognize the screen shots.

Tut tut. Go back to deleting posts after you're caught lying again, and go back to seething with rage at someone who is really doing it, while you pretend to play red chips at the Wheel of Fortune. :D

How fake is that, asshole?

https://i.imgur.com/OemNUe8.jpg

Stock market ROARAGE today. How can you lose? as long as you hang in there.

I feel like Daddy in that Wes Craven People Under The Stairs movie, sitting there COUNTING ALLL THAT MONEY, coming in from the stock market lately.

The stock market is still doing well.

All that money rolling in.
https://i.imgur.com/1hmKWqMm.jpg

WOV on the other hand...is not. Just slipped below 400K! Ouch.
https://i.imgur.com/fYyAfO1l.png

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So, what sort of candy would you be? Which spot on the real fake bus (to New Jonestown)?

Elevator, goinnnng down!

Doesn't look like un-banning J had the desired effect over there. More like...drove people away. In droves.

https://i.imgur.com/1oP68Whl.png

Just a little lower and gamblingforums.com will have surpassed WOV's traffic.

Market remains durable. Buy on dips, average in if necessary, a lot! of money to be made.

DOW may be down four hunny, but my long term AAPL is down...eight cents. Yes, it's killing me. ;)

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Elevator, goinnnng down!

Doesn't look like un-banning J had the desired effect over there. More like...drove people away. In droves.

https://i.imgur.com/1oP68Whl.png

Just a little lower and gamblingforums.com will have surpassed WOV's traffic.

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I can see the posts coming from you on the numbers being up when you go crawling back later this month. No different than KJ in that you will go back and subject yourself to Wizards rules. Granted you did your time instead of begging, but it’s obvious you can’t wait to go back and try to promote yourself.

Too bad that Freddy can't join him. Maybe, the two of them, along with KJ, could get those Wizard ratings back up. Then all of the gamblers there can erase their losses. Then all of the academics will come back in droves. Next, the Wizard can go back to posting, every couple of weeks. Bluejay can go back to telling his stories about riding the ocean freighters in cargo holds (without windows).

I could post stories from the past that would knock peoples' socks off, but I prefer to reserve most all of that content for now.

So...given that not going to be in Vegas anytime soon...and the entire premise of the Adventures thread is Vegas trip reports, I am not sure anything I post these days will boost WOV much.

Years ago a friend of mine was shaking his head at the market and wondering how or why it could keep going up. In a way, the fact that I am fairly young and have experienced pretty much nothing but Good Times (or temporary corrections) in the market is helpful, because it allows me to understand it better, and not stare in disbelief.

Still, this buying every dip even when TSLA is above 1400 and AMZN pushing 3200 is flabbergasting. Amazing or not - I'll take it! Trading wise: BUY EVERY DIP and stand by to make alllllll that moneyyyyy. In the meantime, don't let ANYONE convince you to sell your long term holds.

Now, if you start getting stock tips from Uber/Lyft drivers - then, it might be time to slow down.

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Years ago a friend of mine was shaking his head at the market and wondering how or why it could keep going up. In a way, the fact that I am fairly young and have experienced pretty much nothing but Good Times (or temporary corrections) in the market is helpful, because it allows me to understand it better, and not stare in disbelief.

Still, this buying every dip even when TSLA is above 1400 and AMZN pushing 3200 is flabbergasting. Amazing or not - I'll take it! Trading wise: BUY EVERY DIP and stand by to make alllllll that moneyyyyy. In the meantime, don't let ANYONE convince you to sell your long term holds.

Now, if you start getting stock tips from Uber/Lyft drivers - then, it might be time to slow down.

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Zimbabwe had the best performing stock market in the world. Don't really see why anyone is surprised or thinks what is happening in our market is amazing.

I didn't look closely at the Zimbabwe stock market gains to see if they are in just certain sectors, but I did notice
https://i.imgur.com/wkrDmFel.png
that they have experienced about 786% inflation this year. That would seem to offset any stock market gains, at least for local residents, and I don't know what the taxation rules or other regulations might be for foreign investors.

I'm okay with the U.S. stock market gains. Where else could you double your net worth in a matter of months...or even in some cases...days, and this goes for both company owners and investors.

The stock market appears to have already priced in Grump's impending election loss,

“THEY’RE SAYING, ‘WE’D LIKE TO SEE BIDEN CRUSH TRUMP’”: FOR SOME ON WALL STREET BEATING TRUMP IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MONEY

so I don't see much on the long term horizon to dampen the blue skies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6RX5ZvE2o4

Speaking of movements, but in this case DOWN (way down), not up:
https://i.imgur.com/ijuo92fl.png
GF is about to overtake WOV's traffic. Who would have thunk it?