See Mendelson, THIS is what you have tied yourself to, through your association, and support of a con man / nut job. You must be very proud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney
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See Mendelson, THIS is what you have tied yourself to, through your association, and support of a con man / nut job. You must be very proud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney
Kewlj, why don't you call Rob Singer a con man and a nut job to his face?
Good lord, what the fuck is the matter with you Mendelson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Oh, and by the way don’t forget everything you say is a matter of concrete fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
The concrete proof you have is your endless bullshit that you print of how you and your pals are killing the dumb casino operators counting cards in Las Vegas for what now, ten years straight? Even when you lose 10K playing BJ, the math says you really won 6K. Sad part is you don’t even realize how stupid you sound, then still try to convince everyone else their the idiot.
The only people your fooling are newbies. You certainly can’t pull your nonsense on veterans. Card Counting Black-Jack for a living today in Las Vegas. Are you fucking kidding me? It must have been the advantage game changes they made for the players over the past years.
I don’t think you’re like all the other hustling AP’s on this site, you’re just a fool crying for some type of attention. Your past postings and endless crying like a bitch confirms that diagnosis, and I’m not even a doctor.
You know things can’t be right when your upset about being banned from an idiot like Mike and carry on about it like a bitch still today.
I’m going to plead to Dan for your banning, on the grounds of you whining like a bitch with mans genitalia.
Not cool redietz. Your fight is with Rob.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzWhat you state as a purpose is irrelevant. People state purposes all of the time. Stating a purpose doesn't relieve anyone of responsibility for consequences. What matters are the consequences of your support for a ranting, racist, homophobic martingale quack who slanders people on a regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonNo. I'm pointing out what Rob Singer told me in the interviews. I suggest you read again what was written starting with the very first paragraph explaining what my purpose was.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Your taping of him, your support of him, your friendship of him reflects on you, your business, and whoever currently runs your former business. You are associated with him. You have propped him up repeatedly, and you are largely responsible for any credibility he currently has.
People should know these things about you, your family, and your business. And they will.
Probably the gayest thing ever said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonWhat guarantee do you give that you will perform as expected?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmHow much are you willing to pay? If I'm going to be spilling the beans to a mass audience I demand to be paid well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Sure you would, as would most of us if we had a decent advantage, even without a guarantee. And you have a bankroll more than most of us. You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonWhat guarantee do you give that you will perform as expected?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Remember that $10,000 bet I tried to make with Singer? He ran for the hills. Do you think I would put $10,000 up if I wasn't guaranteed to win?
Why anyone would defend the loser POS is beyond me, but let’s face it, anyone who has watched your show would understand. You were a legitimate reporter years ago, no doubt, but now you will take the cash and push almost any business using your old credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Add the fact that you are concerned about Singer shows there is more to this relationship than meets the eye.
Who had the under 6 months on Alan coming back?
I never want to meet Singer because if I do he'll get beat half to death and I'll wind up in jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
A $2000 bankroll. I don't know what game or games I will be playing. It depends on what's showing advantage on the particular day. I'll turn the $2000 into $2500 in a sixteen hour window. It won't take that long but I don't want to put any pressure on myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Now here is a bit of advice, Alan. Do you know how easy it is to set things up where you or anyone else see's me win $500 a day? Everyday? I have no chance to lose because you and your film crew are all suckers. I'll set you assholes up. And you and your crew won't figure things out until after it's over with and I have your money pocketed. Send that to the TV producers.
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Does not compute.
With Singer involved failure is not an option. There is no way I would give him the chance to gloat over me getting beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
V, I'm an advantage player on machines. I know how those advantages get created. Put up some money and I will produce a $500 win in short order right in front of your eyes. I'll even tell you how I did it. That is, after I fleece you first.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVHuh?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Does not compute.
Obviously there will be no TV show with mickeycrimm.
Good, I'm glad that's settled. I don't want to be on a damn TV show anyway. But anyways, I'll give you guys a clue on how easy it is to set up a win. There are several ways. But I think the one that is most funny to me. I'm LMAO thinking about you guys standing there watching me and YOUR money on the line. I simply make a deal with an agent to create multipliers for me on Ultimate X. Just two machines needed. He creates multipliers on several games then cashes out. I slip in the seat and clean the multipliers up. He creates multipliers on several games on the machine beside it then cashes out, then I clean up those multipliers. And we go back and forth until I have produced the $500 earn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Alan, I've exposed the hustle to you but it would have been funny, funny, funny as hell watching your jaw drop while I pulled that shit on you.
It doesn't matter I've exposed this one way to do it. I have others. So long sucker. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
How can you say that Singer has a basis in math when you yourself say he is doing a fair amount of "hoping". He sometimes uses math and sometimes breaks from the math and "hopes for good luck". What total crap that is. Casinos thrive on gamblers who " try to get lucky"...whether its throwing a 100 dollar chip on the horn or going for a bigger hand on poker like you explained. Those are suckers. The ones dealing with :hope" and "luck". Those are your words. I contend that no gambler is successful in the long run depending on luck and hope. You need something more concrete to hang your hat on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
The first time I played BJ when resorts international opened in AC late 70's...I didnt know what the fuck I was doing and I split any 10 value card...to the groans of the table as I did it. I turned 100 into 300 in 45 min doing that. It was all hope and luck. I didnt play based on the reality of the math. Call it beginners luck. Call it good fortune. Whatever the fuck you want.....but I learned real fast I couldnt sustain that in the long run.
And if Singer plays with some math and other times tosses it our the window,,,,,he is just as proficient as I was when I played on BJ with great "hope" and in search of "luck"
LarryS I suggest you watch the videos with Singer. The information is there about what he does. But to summarize: Rob Singer follows the math of video poker the same way Dancer and Grochowski and all the APs do. But that gets lost in everything else he says.
Ya know, 10% of what Rob says is good info and 90% is flack. You're all caught up on the flack.
You don't deserve a response, but I will give one. When I share my blackjack results, no they are "concrete" as you say, meaning backed up by documentation. People including yourself are free to believe or not believe me. BUT, the difference between that and Singer's claims are that mine are mathematically possible, while his 100% go against the mathematical possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I don't claim to have run a 2 minute mile, or jumped so high that I couldn't breath for lack of air, or seen 18 y.o's in a row or made a million dollars grinding away at negative EV video poker play. ALL of which are mathematically impossible! I claim to be grinding away a small advantage playing blackjack, something hundred of players still do, because despite what you have decided, it is still quite possible. Harder than it used to be, but still VERY mathematically possible.
And this show who you really are. Incapable of discussion or making your points and/or arguments without personal attacks like a 6 year old.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
Mr. Mendelson is actually the dangerous part of this duo, as nobody buys Argentino's stuff anymore without somebody credible backing him up. I find it hard to believe Mr. Mendelson glances away as Argentino, on the idiot GF site, rants about:
1) I am texting him or have people texting him. That is seriously delusional. It suggests real mental illness -- paranoia.
2) I was never married. That is fascinating, and I do not know how or why he drew that conclusion, but again -- why would he decide to obsess on my late wife? Some kind of sickness, once again.
3) He ignores every link, every reference to a number to call to verify anything I've done, has ignored offers for me to hand deliver a bio package to him, and just insists I'm not who I say I am.
These are three separate cues to some serious mental illness. I suspect his fixation on mickeycrimm's drinking has to do with Argentino's own issues with the bottle and addiction in general.
And yet, Mr. Mendelson thinks this is someone with whom to associate and from whom to take gambling advice. That is so irresponsible, it's ridiculous.
Fortunately we live in an era wherein associations have risk and reward.
I am over my banning at WoV. I don't think I could participate at that site, with what it has become, if I was invited too. While I really no longer care, unfortunately, I HAVE to keep bringing up every few months. It's a promise I made (remember the so called "threat") to Mr Shackleford and I intend to keep it. I think I said 40 years. 2 down...38 to go. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
It's time for me to leave again.
Dan I am very disappointed in you. Earlier today you read this thread and you did nothing to stop the attacks that blame me for Singer.
I'm not surprised by redietz because after all I never saw his package. I'm sure redietz will always hold that against me. But did anyone else ask to read it? Did redietz post any of it himself on the forum? Of course redietz says copyrights prevented hm from posting... but he expected me to do it?
Did redietz send his package to Dan or anyone else?
Mickeycrimm I never expected you to really want to go on TV.
MisterV and regnis thanks for stating the obvious: I'm not Singer so why attack me? Like I'm really the one responsible for Rob's rude behavior?
Look guys, if you want to condemn me for the people I know and have associated with then condemn me for being friends with Bill Mentzer (Google William Mentzer) if you don't know him.
But the bottom line is this: Singer cared about the math just as APs do. But it wasn't the only reason he left casinos with a profit but it's what the rest of you were caught up on.
THIS is a very, very important truth! None of these scam artist can succeed without some help of someone giving them some credibility. Their claims always fall flat on their own without someone aiding and enabling them and their ridiculous claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
There are many claims made by many members of different sites that just fall flat on their own and I never get involved in. It's the scams that are propped up with people giving the scammer credibility that are dangerous.
I am banned from 2 gambling forums because of this exact situation. Not for breaking rules, or name calling (which I sometime sink to :(), or my sometimes immature responses. But because I dared call bullshit on a person claiming they invented a super duper count that allows for a 5% advantage at blackjack. NO counting method can do that! Playing with a computer couldn't do that! It's mathematically impossible.
But just like all others, this scam couldn't have occurred and survived for several years without the help of an enabler. In this case it was the owner of the site, Qfit, who provided credibility by providing the platform and then protecting this fraud from not only myself, but others who challenged these mathematically impossible claims.
It just never fails that for these scams and scammers to succeed, there has to be an accomplice, whether intentional or not who provides credibility. Singer could not have succeeded to the level that he has with his nonsense without help. And Alan has (and continues to) provided much of that help. :mad:
While I am not taking a position that cold fusion definitely does not exist, SRI is, I believe, still conducting cold fusion experiments.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzIncorrect, Mr. V. I wish it were as you say, but that would be the same as saying that the Stanford Research Institute had nothing to do with the financial and reputational success of Uri Geller. Uri Geller, without the imprimatur of the SRI, would have been a niche novelty. It was when a respected scientific establishment was manipulated and bamboozled that Geller's public stock rose. The problem, in that case, was the SRI.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
People had to be willing to take on and debunk the credibility, competence, and honesty of the SRI as much (or more) than debunk Geller. It was the old story -- once established professionals were invested in Geller, it took yeoman's work to flip the script. The SRI's reputation took a monstrous hit, and deservedly so.
Some people said as you just said, but there was no way to debunk Geller without debunking the SRI. Geller, by the way, was about as nasty when challenged as Argentino, but without the rampant racism and homophobia.
Since my name was mentioned, I'll oblige and contribute to the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I find it especially cowardly that the wormm, the tewl, and the ditz all begged for Singer to be banned, and then continue posting about Rob Singer since he was banned. What a bunch of belly-crawling invertebrates.
This ruse demonstrates that the wormm can't really produce any win without an accomplice willing to lose money just to set him up with multipliers. Thanks for finally admitting that you are a fraud, you fucking wormm.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Singer gives his books away, and offers free VP training.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
So who is he scamming, and what is the scam...tewlj?
Math may show card counters can have an edge, but you haven't proven any ability to count, or provided any evidence of success.
You once claimed losing a bundle as your greatest success to date.
But you are an admitted and proven liar, so you have no credibility, and nobody should believe anything you write.
Does that make you a scam artist too...besides being a weirdo and a tewl?
I think you have this backwards, coach belly. (I won't stoop to your level of name-calling simply because I don't agree with your argument). If was the person going by Rob Singer who started this volley.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
What is disturbing is the level of this cult-like following, where you and others so come out of the woodwork (or retirement) to support and protect this person and these mathematically impossible claims. Even more disturbing is how you all immediately go on the attack, name calling and personal attacks, in the name of protecting this fraud. I'd be willing to bet that some of you guys are decent people, that don't usually act like this. What gives? Can someone explain it to me? :confused:
Check your timeline, tewlj.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Singer mentioned you on GF after you commented about him in this thread.
No matter what, his shit is worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
The problem SRI had with Geller was that the people examining and testing him were all physicists. They were used to experiments without humans involved, and had no experience with people trying to fool them. When psychologists and magicians were introduced to the process, Geller's powers mysteriously disappeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplayWhile I am not taking a position that cold fusion definitely does not exist, SRI is, I believe, still conducting cold fusion experiments.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzIncorrect, Mr. V. I wish it were as you say, but that would be the same as saying that the Stanford Research Institute had nothing to do with the financial and reputational success of Uri Geller. Uri Geller, without the imprimatur of the SRI, would have been a niche novelty. It was when a respected scientific establishment was manipulated and bamboozled that Geller's public stock rose. The problem, in that case, was the SRI.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
People had to be willing to take on and debunk the credibility, competence, and honesty of the SRI as much (or more) than debunk Geller. It was the old story -- once established professionals were invested in Geller, it took yeoman's work to flip the script. The SRI's reputation took a monstrous hit, and deservedly so.
Some people said as you just said, but there was no way to debunk Geller without debunking the SRI. Geller, by the way, was about as nasty when challenged as Argentino, but without the rampant racism and homophobia.
Mr. Mendelson achieved a certain credibility gambling recreationally and reporting on the myriad aspects of Seven Stars. That and his celebrity status and journalistic credentials provide a kind of golden halo like the PhDs of the folks at SRI testing Geller. But it doesn't mean he has any relevant skills for actually evaluating what Argentino does or says. Whenever anyone has suggested Mr. Mendelson consult math professionals or gambling experts regarding Argentino, Mr. Mendelson has begged off and argued that Argentino's Gaming Today column wouldn't have been published without GT vetting him. That argument relieved Mr. Mendelson of any responsibility regarding Argentino while ignoring the fact that GT also regularly published Keno Lil's columns (with tips on winning at keno) and similar things. Mr. Mendelson, who certainly has the clout and Rolodex to establish Argentino's actual abilities or credibility, has never actually investigated those abilities or credibility. Either he has no interest, which is odd because he goes to bat for Argentino many times, or there must be an agenda.
And that's where it's been for years.
So if he's giving worthless shit away for free, then who is he scamming and what is the scam?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbNo matter what, his shit is worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
You're advice is worthless too, you didn't even know how freeplay worked until I explained it, so you're obviously a fraud.
I didn't say "mention of me" did I? I said "started this volley".Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyCheck your timeline, tewlj.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Singer mentioned you on GF after you commented about him in this thread.
I don't recall "begging for Singer to be banned." Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure I felt the site would be better without Argentino, and I may have said that, but I do not recall begging. I'm sure you can track that down and correct me, right coach?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellySinger gives his books away, and offers free VP training.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
So who is he scamming, and what is the scam...tewlj?
Math may show card counters can have an edge, but you haven't proven any ability to count, or provided any evidence of success.
You once claimed losing a bundle as your greatest success to date.
But you are an admitted and proven liar, so you have no credibility, and nobody should believe anything you write.
Does that make you a scam artist too...besides being a weirdo and a tewl?
Coach, I had a helluva year, by the way. Shall I catch you up on my record, or did you manage to follow me last football season?
Hard to criticize someone when they're killing it, eh? Is that why you've been such a quiet boy?
Yessirree, coach, we all must be losers, isn't that right? Unless we're not.
Since you're so sure, then I won't bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
LOL...you past-posted your results....in typical tout fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
How much do you imagine that you won?
Next year, post your picks like Dan does, so we can follow along and be as impressed with you as you are with yourself.
You can even martingale your bets with an unlimited imaginary bankroll, like your buddy LSH/OAB did.
Go ahead and track it down, coach. I'll wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellySince you're so sure, then I won't bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I get a kick out of you. If I had bombed last season, I'm sure we would have heard from you. But somehow it's tough to call people losers when they're steamrolling through the gambling world.
Better luck next year, buddy.
Nothing past posted, genius. It was all public. But you knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyLOL...you past-posted your results....in typical tout fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Next year, post your picks like Dan does, so we can follow along and be as impressed with you as you are with yourself.
The girlfriend won Linemasters again, also. Won it twice in three years -- beats my accomplishments, which were pretty awesome. Hard to knock 11 consecutive winning wagers in a public contest when there's only two wagers a week. Hard to knock Georgia at 45-1 to win the national title.
Past posting? LOL. Hundreds of people know who I take every week.
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Originally Posted by redietzGo ahead and track it down, coach. I'll wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellySince you're so sure, then I won't bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I get a kick out of you. If I had bombed last season, I'm sure we would have heard from you. But somehow it's tough to call people losers when they're steamrolling through the gambling world.
Better luck next year, buddy.
You're slipping Redietz ... Only five back-door self promoting hustling advertisements in 6 pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzNothing past posted, genius. It was all public. But you knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyLOL...you past-posted your results....in typical tout fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Next year, post your picks like Dan does, so we can follow along and be as impressed with you as you are with yourself.
The girlfriend won Linemasters again, also. Won it twice in three years -- beats my accomplishments, which were pretty awesome. Hard to knock 11 consecutive winning wagers in a public contest when there's only two wagers a week. Hard to knock Georgia at 45-1 to win the national title.
Past posting? LOL. Hundreds of people know who I take every week.
Ads usually sell something, blackhole. I'm not selling anything to forum people. Go ahead, get some of your friends and compadres to whip up some anonymous handles and PM me sometime about buying something from me. Try it 10, 50, 100 times over the next year or two and see what response you get. Try it on any forum on which you can find me. Then report back on my "advertising."
Now you can either do that and report back on what you find, or choose to not do it because you know what you'll find. Your choice, smart guy.
Let's see how honest blackhole is regarding finding out the truth about people. Or you can just sit back, not do it, and speculate that I do this or do that. Your choice.
Its clear that I can't leave this site because if I did the liars would take over.
Kewlj you mentioned Singer as a scammer, but what scam is he a part of? I have never heard of Singer scamming anyone. Be specific, kewlj. What scam?
Rob Singer had a newspaper column for years and already published a website and at least two books BEFORE I met him. And you say I enabled Rob Singer?
Redietz, there you go again about presenting Singer's math to independent college professors. I'm going to tell you again what was told to you before: it would be a waste of time BECAUSE SINGER ADMITTED HIS SPECIAL PLAYS WERE ALL AT A DISADVANTAGE TO CONVENTIONAL STRATEGY.
MR REDIETZ why can't you accept this? There was nothing to figure. There was nothing to analyze. Rob's special plays did not have the expected return of conventional play. Your demands to present his special plays to independent professors was a waste of time. And you were told that.
And the rest of Singer's system? My how you've forgotten. Because even I wrote on the forum over and over that I never understood the rest of it and I disputed from day one his claim that machines were rigged.
But you also overlooked another Singer Factor: calling it quits and leaving with a win in hand. And there even Rob said when he left was a variable that was never set.
Again l, I'm disappointed our absentee landlord and owner isn't participating or clearing the way for Singer to defend himself. And so, the cheap shots will continue.
Singer's system is worse than worthless. It's downright dangerous. People will get ruined for a lot of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Here's my feelings regarding this thread:
1) Rob Singer did indeed push a bogus "strategy" which was -EV and made no logical sense. I didn't see any evidence he was pushing this strategy for personal profit. Rather, he hated APs and wanted to be seen as someone who could win without APing, which is just strange. But to say that Rob admitted the faults in his strategies is inaccurate. He claimed he knew how to win.
2) I never understood why Alan defended Rob so much, especially given how Rob would often insult him and slam his personal life. However, I don't agree with redeitz that it reflects badly on Alan and his business. The average person (who doesn't read this and similar gambling forums) would never associate Rob Singer and Alan Mendelson together. Alan has long been out of the mainstream news business, and has spent the last several years doing infomercials for businesses. I'm not knocking that, but if Alan wants to have some idiotic friends and back their crazy views on forums, I don't see it as a big deal. It's stupid, but not a big deal.
3) I understand redeitz's personal gripes with Alan (Alan handled the package/proof situation with redeitz very poorly), but I don't feel it warrants redeitz trying to publicize harmful material about Alan, especially if it's going to affect unrelated people like Alan's son.
4) I would be willing to temporarily unban Rob Singer so he can respond in this thread. Alan or someone else can let me know if he's interested.
Don't do It! They can all go over to that GF site and debate over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
At the time I made the $10,000 challenge to Singer my daily average earn was $562. I would have had no problem doing it legitimately. But your line right here, coach, "can't really produce any win without an accomplice" is exactly correct. Now we are getting somewhere. That is really a profound statement. I'm surprised you are the one that came up with it but thanks for the quote. It goes right to the heart of how things work in short term advantage machine play.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Yes, it would be very easy to create a false win on UX's because I would have to pay an agent to create the multipliers. He creates a loss in creating the multipliers and I create a win playing them off. This scam was actually worked in reverse at the Revel loss rebate promotion. The player showing the big loss got the rebates. However, the 2nd player picked most of the money back up by playing the multipliers off.
So what am I getting at here? How about if you had a player that created the multipliers for you without charging you anything? Or how about if you had lots of players creating the multipliers for you and not charging you anything? That is exactly what the general public, the recreational gamblers, are doing. They play these games and leave multipliers behind for you to pick off....free of charge. It's free money. In a nutshell, coach, this is how it works for all short term advantage machine plays. The ploppies play the games and many of them leave the machine in a short term positive situation for the next player. That's where I come in. I just mosey around the casino looking for these short term positives and play them off when I find them.
So you are right, coach. How prophetic of you. I can't make a dime without accomplices. However, those accomplices, the ploppies, aren't charging me for it. And they have no clue that they are my accomplices. How sweet it is.
Dan doesn't pay attention to anyone calling for the banning of someone else. He makes his own decisions in that regard based on what the member is posting. He gives everyone here enough rope to hang themselves if they want. Singer hung himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Except you can't be sure that any ploppies have left multipliers, and you can't be sure that you'll find them before somebody else plays them off. So you're not sure that you can legitimately produce a $500 win in a challenge, and that's why you need to cheat and pay an accomplice to create multipliers for you by losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Now we understand why you insist that any and all of your challenges must take place in Montana, that's where your accomplices are located.
You can't walk into a randomly chosen casino and win jack shit, without a paid accomplice setting things up you'd fall flat on your face in any legitimate challenge.
What a fucking phony you turned out to be, Singer was right about you all along.
You might be right. Currently it's only worth 10K a month. That's not a $500 a day average. Oh well, I guess I'll just cry all the way to the bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyExcept you can't be sure that any ploppies have left multipliers, and you can't be sure that you'll find them before somebody else plays them off. So you're not sure that you can legitimately produce a $500 win in a challenge, and that's why you need to cheat and pay an accomplice to create multipliers for you by losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Now we understand why you insist that any and all of your challenges must take place in Montana, that's where your accomplices are located.
You can't walk into a randomly chosen casino and win jack shit, without a paid accomplice setting things up you'd fall flat on your face in any legitimate challenge.
What a fucking phony you turned out to be, Singer was right about you all along.
And remember, I'm the one that told you how easy it would be to set someone up. That's not exactly phony is it, pork belly?
You squeal like a pig.
Low level must hits? Sure I'll play them off if I happen to be walking by one and see a number. But I don't concentrate on them. The screenshot below is more my speed. I'm not talking about the minor meter. I'm talking about the major meter. This is what AP's call a "10K must hit."Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
The game on this particular machine is a 94%'er. What are these plays worth? That depends on your playable number....or how high you find the meter. At $9700 it's about a 3% edge and you would have about $2500 in expectation on the play. At $9800 you would have about a 10% edge and $5000 in expectation. At $9900 you would have about a 30% edge and $7500 in expectation.
You can't bring a chump change bankroll to plays like this.
Redietz, I see you made two self promoting hustling backdoor commercials over at GF. Since you can't PM there its funny how you made sure to supply a couple of links for contact.
I joined a few of these sites just to challenge and try to expose the bullshit hustlers. It's obvious the king of AP's Axelwolf never had anything to offer anyone except 99.9% of his posts being nothing but wisecracks, and using these places to hustle desperate idiots falling for his bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised if he became the next WON that gets exposed. Notice not a word from him anywhere about WON. (no doubt a good friend or worried about being exposed by WON if he trashed him) I don't think he and his phony accomplishes weren't able to work much of their magic here, since most here have been around the block and newbies aren't frequent. WOV remains the best place for recruiting and Axelwolf will be certain not to burn that bridge. It's obvious he licks M.S.'s ass every chance he gets.
You're probably the biggest backdoor hustler here Redietz.
It’s amazing how a few um, men(?) find their balls and start posting once their GodKing is around to make them feel safe again....pathetic
Mickey, since your picture has been posted several times by you and everyone knows what you look like, why don't you post a picture of you holding a W2 with one of those 10K must wins after you hit it?
ONCE AGAIN, Singers scam is having HIS players card in the machine when he's "teaching" a "student" his award winning system. Simple and ingenious scam.
How do you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
You mean post up shit that your asslick friend Singer can send to his corrupt son-in-law at the IRS? Kiss off. Your trashing of someone that gave you a heads up on what to stay away from in the AP world makes you a maggot. Nothing but a big mouth maggot.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
What's sad is that you don't even realize how this response makes you look more pathetic then one could have expected or even imagined.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmYou mean post up shit that your asslick friend Singer can send to his corrupt son-in-law at the IRS? Kiss off. Your trashing of someone that gave you a heads up on what to stay away from in the AP world makes you a maggot. Nothing but a big mouth maggot.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
I'm on the road. The w2g's are in a storage locker in New Mexico....under Singer's shit. Tell Rob to post them up for me when he digs out those math records.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeWhat's sad is that you don't even realize how this response makes you look more pathetic then one could have expected or even imagined.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmYou mean post up shit that your asslick friend Singer can send to his corrupt son-in-law at the IRS? Kiss off. Your trashing of someone that gave you a heads up on what to stay away from in the AP world makes you a maggot. Nothing but a big mouth maggot.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhole
And its you that is the pathetic one. A pathetic maggot that goes "cry....boohoo....snivel....snivel...it can't be true about AP's.....I'm a loser...they have to be losers too..cry....boohoo....snivel....snivel."
Mickey's answer is exact. No reason to elaborate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
A dangerous system, mickeycrimm? Since when is it dangerous to quit playing when you have a profit?
That’s not the dangerous part......holy shit you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
A couple thoughts:
Great post by Dan Druff (up until the unban Singer idea). Objective and setting the record straight. Basically shot down everything Alan has said since his "return". Not that it will matter. Alan is like the energizer bunny. He will just keep going with his nonsensical agenda to support and enable Singer and trying to discredit AP's.
On Mickey posting picture with tax forms: Don't do it mickey! These a-holes are not entitled to any proof of anything. That is NOT the way an anonymous message board works. What they are attempting is nothing more than 'bullying'. Like I always say "it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". There is absolutely no doubt mickeycrimm is 100% legit and knows what he is talking about. Anyone too stupid to see that....really just doesn't want to see that. And this forum or any forum is damn lucky to have mickey participating.
to Dan Druff: Don't allow Singer back. That's what this is all about. Singer baiting on another site. Alan's return to support him. Don't let these scammers manipulate you Dan. If anything you should consider further bans....blackhole, coach belly and possibly even Alan, as it is crystal clear these members have only one single purpose and agenda to disrupt the site and support Singer and an anti-AP agenda. When members don't participate...don't post for months and only come out of the woodwork like this for one specific reason....that's an agenda.
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Originally Posted by blackhole
You know, it's really pointless to argue with people who haven't a clue about anything, like blackhole here. The links at GF, in response to Argentino, are www.vegaswiseguys.com and www.northbet.ag. I've listed them here before. Both are sites at which I won or placed in season-long contests. Other than that, they have nothing to do with me. Go ahead and call them. The www.vegaswiseguys.com is a link to an old Wise Guys contest panel that lists me as a former champion. The northbet.ag link is to an offshore book that runs their Pick the Pros contest every year, and in which I finished third the last two years.
I'm sure blackhole clicked them, couldn't find anything except that I was a defending Wise Guys champion, and then decided to make shit up. I've listed both links here, previously, a number of times, always in response to some one of Argentino's rants or coach's commentary. I have PM abilities here, of course.
Blackhole, to expose people, you have to know what you're doing. Or you should have the energy to make the calls and do some fact checking. You simply don't. Now I understand you're ill, but making shit up is a poor excuse as a method for exposing cons.
That's the problem with anonymous posters. They can babble on and on, not knowing what they're talking about without being embarrassed.
If blackhole thought I was hustling, he could have PM'ed me, or recruited people to sign up with me and try to get me to sell them something. But of course he didn't and won't do that, because that would undercut his beliefs. Obviously, if he did that, and I sold someone something, he'd have his big "Aha!" moment. But he won't bother. That would be an easy way to garner proof of what he says, or disprove it.
Regarding Mr. Mendelson, I'm just going to do what anyone is entitled to do -- quote an individual directly and accurately, and make more public an already public association.
Of course you will. And be sure you also tell people that William Mentzer and I hung out seven nights a week back when I was working at Fox and we were best buddies.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
What else is there? Rob says play the best paytables. He says have a budget. He says to follow correct strategy except when you're in a hole and a special play appears that might bail you out. He says leave with a profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS__That’s not the dangerous part......holy shit you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
What is so dangerous about the Rob Singer system?
This is Barney,
Please give two minute warning if the Rob Singer is unbanned. I need some time to get popcorn ready.
Thank you very much
LOL -- I have no problem with bringing Argentino back. The WoVers can handle him. In this day and age, not much of what he has to say is going to confuse the younger crowd.
It reflects badly on the site as a credible information source, but it'll drive traffic (for those capitalists out there).
Just one suggestion: Argentino rants more than me about the problems with anonymous posters, so he should probably use his real name.
Odds are, it'll make Mr. Mendelson look even worse in the long run, and I'm all for that.
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Are you fucking serious with this comment? Kewlj, RS, Axelwolf, mickycrimm, jbjb, you, just to name a few are considered creditable let alone giving creditable information on this site. You have to be working as a fucking clown in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Everyone I mentioned above plus are nothing but a bunch of bullshitting hustlers. We don’t know a fraction of what the real hustle is. Thanks to Monet and WON we at least have a clue. Of course, Monet will only go so far since he still needs to hustle.
Like I said earlier Kewlj may not fit into full blown hustler, but his donation to this site is nothing but a mental issue. It’s obvious his mind isn’t functioning clear. I might be considered old school, but just the thought of sucking on a cock, (not that there's anything wrong with it) I still find it repulsive and a mental disorder. Call me old fashioned if you want, but just the way I was brought up. This left wing liberal shit don't fly with me.
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Originally Posted by blackholeAre you fucking serious with this comment? Kewlj, RS, Axelwolf, mickycrimm, jbjb, you, just to name a few are considered creditable let alone giving creditable information on this site. You have to be working as a fucking clown in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Everyone I mentioned above plus are nothing but a bunch of bullshitting hustlers. We don’t know a fraction of what the real hustle is. Thanks to Monet and WON we at least have a clue. Of course, Monet will only go so far since he still needs to hustle.
Like I said earlier Kewlj may not fit into full blown hustler, but his donation to this site is a mental issue. It’s obvious his mind isn’t functioning clear. I might be considered old school, but just the thought of sucking a cock, I still find it repulsive and a mental disorder. Call me old fashioned if you want, but just the way I was brought up. This left wing liberal shit don't fly with me.
Well, I'm not really qualified to evaluate mental disorders. I do think Argentino reporting continually that I am texting him smacks of paranoia, but I would defer to mental health professionals on that one, too.
See, the problem with your investigative reporting is that it lacks the investigative. It's nice that you have opinions and all, but a couple of facts would occasionally be helpful. You can't be taken seriously.
I mean, obviously, the way to demonstrate that I'm a "bullshitting hustler," for example, would be to have folks on various sites under various names engage me and see if I bite. You're not going to do that, and haven't done that, because you know the outcome. Very gutless and dishonest of you.
And logic --- you lack logic. According to you, the WoV site is a haven for hustlers. I wouldn't know. I've never posted there. So if it's the best place for "bullshitting hustlers" to network, why am I not on it?
You're bitter that some people can actually win gambling. I get it. It's okay. I'll give you a nice non-anonymous pat on your anonymous back.
"We don’t know a fraction of what the real hustle is."Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholeAre you fucking serious with this comment? Kewlj, RS, Axelwolf, mickycrimm, jbjb, you, just to name a few are considered creditable let alone giving creditable information on this site. You have to be working as a fucking clown in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Everyone I mentioned above plus are nothing but a bunch of bullshitting hustlers. We don’t know a fraction of what the real hustle is. Thanks to Monet and WON we at least have a clue. Of course, Monet will only go so far since he still needs to hustle.
Like I said earlier Kewlj may not fit into full blown hustler, but his donation to this site is nothing but a mental issue. It’s obvious his mind isn’t functioning clear. I might be considered old school, but just the thought of sucking on a cock, (not that there's anything wrong with it) I still find it repulsive and a mental disorder. Call me old fashioned if you want, but just the way I was brought up. This left wing liberal shit don't fly with me.
Exactly! You don't know shit! Except for KJ counting cards and what Mickey has shown, even I have no clue what the others are doing nor do I care.
Now as for what I think about you...I don't give a shit about you or what you "think."
Go lose a certain amount, then bet more. When you lose that, bet more. When you're broke, you tell us why it's dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
How come everyone always want to ignore the facts leaking out about alleged AP’ing, and what really goes on at the WOV?
All this hustling with other people’s cards, getting desperate people to play for scraps because they have been 86’ed already. Making a living on hopeful promotions and naïve desperate people sounds like a desperate life. Since several AP’s admit they came from the homeless life it obvious is a desperate type of living for a fulltime family supporting career. I think this is why most admit to being alone and never discuss anything about a family life.
The Wiz talked about his family but admitted to being a broken-down shoe AP before begging for donations. Miracles happen and the meatball hit the lottery with illegal offshore gambling sites. If the newbies knew the truth about the Wiz meatball and his past you have to wonder what they really would think of his site. The sad part is the idiots that do know about his pathetic past, and now know what really goes on there, and how the site is monitored, remain active there and then are going to come here and tell us how fucked up we are.
Yep, you AP’s are a special bunch here.
See jbjb, you only lose 50K total at a time if that happens. Then your "stop loss" kicks in, and you can use your "soft profits" to pay for gas to get to the storage locker in Arizona with the "hot and cold machines." Then you can tag the storage locker and use more "soft profits" to drive back to the casino and do it again the next day. It's a beautiful system, really, not dangerous at all. If you can't afford the occasional 50K loss, well, you're beneath the tier status of experienced, knowledgeable gamblers such as Mr. Mendelson. You shouldn't be gambling, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbGo lose a certain amount, then bet more. When you lose that, bet more. When you're broke, you tell us why it's dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Obviously, vegascasinotalk will be a better gambling destination with insights such as these. That's why I welcome Argentino with open arms.
My family life is none of your damn business as yours is none of mine.
And who cares about anyone else's past? I sure as hell don't see you criticizing Alan's past and all of his failed marriages and family life. Why is that?
You alleged hustling AP's have nothing. Is this the best you could do jbjb?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
Why don't you share with us some tips on how to avoid getting arrested while AP hustling?
Exactly. These "hustling APs" -- doing this stuff for a living -- are clearly three steps on the dignity and intelligence level below people who lead productive, Leave It To Beaver lives...and then blow a boatload lifetime to the casinos.
Jbjb, you just don't understand the values and priorities of real Americans.
Blackhole, you are one bitter old man. I honestly continue to feel bad for you.
But I hope and ask Dan to remove you from this site. You contribute nothing of any value to anyone. Your entire purpose here is to attack AP's who you who you harbor a great deal of jealousy and resentment against.
Uh Oh, redietz's space ship just took off again.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Funny how in real life I’m considered the comedian in the family. I’m really not a bitter person what so ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
I just like to call a spade a spade or in your case a Homo a Homo.
You bullshit artists just can't take being called out and want to rid everyone that don't except your bullshit as fact.
Blachole should have more comps to give out than Monet with all the money it’s obvious he loses at the casino.
Oh no, here comes another meatball from the WOV.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
I probably used more comps than most of you hustlers ever earned.