I love the junco bird stuff. They are not the only animals that gamble.
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I love the junco bird stuff. They are not the only animals that gamble.
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The wrap-up. I want to thank a sociologist friend, Mike Schwarz, for contributing to the summary.
Here's the volume itself. Anyone wishing the reference list can PM me.
I looked at these pages again as best I could. What page is the Robert Dietz byline or credit on? I couldn't find it.
Normally a byline appears at the top of the article... though sometimes at the end. So, how was credit given? In the table of contents or index?
It appears the article was written on a typewriter and not with a font used by a printer.
Was this "book" a compilation of submitted articles or statements? Were you asked to submit or did you volunteer your article?
Since you received the byline page when I sent this to your phone a year ago, I'll answer that. The byline appears in the Table of Contents. I have no idea how the editors and publishers arrived at the font used for the multiple volumes.
The paper was submitted the same way most papers are submitted for academic conferences. There's a call for papers, you submit, and the papers are vetted. As far as I know, I was the only non-academic presenting an academic paper.
Interesting redietz. I wish my cell phone had the software so I could see the table of contents. Why don't you post it here?
And congratulations for being chosen for publication. Writing on spec is tough.
Really? You think animals make better decisions than humans with risk taking?
Forget I said that. I was married four times. And yes MrV I still have financial issues with one of them. Her lawyer screwed up and I have to deal with it. It's good never to have a profit from casino gambling.
If her lawyer screwed up, how would that be a problem for you?
Yeah... he's doing his job. And I have to respond.
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Mickey thanks for making the article easier to read. I hope redietz sends you the index with his credit. I'd like to see how it's listed and how his credit appears. I'm interested I'm how his spec article was listed.
That really is an accomplishment for a spec writer.
Honestly, I don't know anyone who has submitted papers in a call for papers who refers to themselves as a "spec writer." You just never hear it. I'm not sure it would be appropriate anyway, if completed papers were submitted and vetted as opposed to abstracts.
I also never heard my mentor, Bob Gannon (Adventure Editor for Popular Science), use the phrase "spec writer." He always referred to the process as "writing on spec." To civilians, this just means "writing on speculation." You submit a letter outlining what you plan to do and a chapter or snippet, then -- if the editor says give it a go -- you write the full piece without a contract for the work. Sometimes the work is accepted; sometimes not.
"Writing something on spec" suggests that it's one aspect of the catalogue of what you're doing, which could be anything.
Redietz, are you going to launch a dispute over "spec writer" vs. "writing on spec"?
Don't bother. I surrender.
No dispute. One phrase serves as a noun. The other serves as a verb. Two different things. I've never heard anyone refer to themselves as a "spec writer." I assume there must be reasons for that. But not being a "spec writer," I'm not sure what those would be.
[QUOTE=redietz;67377]One phrase serves as a noun. The other serves as a verb. Two different things. /QUOTE]
Is there a difference between someone who bets on sports, and a sports bettor?
[QUOTE=coach belly;67405]
In terms of what's on the printed page, of course.
"Someone who bets on sports" connotes that it's an activity an individual engages in, among many activities. "A sports bettor" connotes that it's a primary feature or attribute of the individual. There's a serious difference between the likely connotations of "someone who plays blackjack" and "a blackjack player." Now you can play the minutia game of arguing that "a sports bettor" or "a blackjack player" doesn't NECESSARILY have those likely connotations, but it's the writer's duty to profile his audience and anticipate how that audience will interpret what's on the printed page.
And besides, it's not a completely accurate analogy (as if there is such a thing). Some people might interpret "spec writer" as someone hunkered down in his mother's basement, typing up myriad letters and chapters that will never see the light of day.
Now Mr. Mendelson meant it as a compliment, and I certainly take it that way, so I salute him. I know people working on spec are taking 1 in 100 shots, if that, so scoring is a rarity. Getting a paper accepted with a non-academic as lead author was obviously a long shot. It had to be a good paper, or one with a couple of novel things to mention.
Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to spell this out. Much appreciated.
The minutia game is arguing that someone who writes on spec is not a spec writer, as someone who plays blackjack is not a blackjack player, as someone who plays golf is not a golfer, etc, based on the possible scenarios that might be imagined by some random ditz.
Or they could have accepted everything that was submitted...how many submitted papers were rejected?
0ff the top of my head, I'm sure they accepted 98% of all papers. Since I submitted 187, as any good "spec writer" would do, I was somewhat disappointed they didn't allow me to present at least two. They may have seen through my ruse of putting different titles on the same paper 187 times.
2018 Football Update:
I accepted an invitation to the 2018 Wise Guys Contest. Anyone wanting to follow along can check www.vegaswiseguys.com during the football season.
Last season, I finished in a tie for third. It came down to the college national title game. Had Alabama covered, I would have been the Wise Guys champ. It was very disappointing. I won eleven consecutive games during the season, but my point accumulation for Best Bets just wasn't good enough. It's a difficult contest for me, given that I wager minimally on the NFL and bowl games and the contest is 18 weeks in length, but I will give it a go.
Where's the 2018 info? That link goes to 2016 with the 2015 winners.
If you want any tips I don't charge.
Obviously, August 16th is not "during the football season." For those who wish to inquire today regarding the 2018 Wise Guys Contest or last season's results, Playbook's number is 1-800-752-9266. Their home page is www.Playbook.com.
Nice Picture by the way!
LOL was the car Magnums? - or -
Did Robin Masters loan it out to him while he resided on/in the fictional beach front estate on the island of Oahu, Hawaii!?
They have been running Magnum on GetTV so I have been watching at times.
Either way that picture looks great.
It is amazing how you don't give a F... You put the plate right in the picture!!
Personalized to Boot! You are like... You'll never take me alive Copper!
My uncle always wants us to get something like that.
I tell him the maintenance alone would drive me up the wall.
I couldn't handle getting a scratch on it.
I don't want to wash it or pay someone to wash it and have to trust them.
When he gives me strife I give him a few bricks of hundos and let him keep counting.
I am not knocking it though. Just not for me. Attracts too much unwanted attention in my mind.
I decided on a vehicle that I can drive over mountains and through the desert.
In case I need to Bug Out or the next Civil War starts.
Not too bad. I'd like to see a Liberal vs. Conservative all out war... winner take all! LOL
Oddly enough you and I could pass for brothers.
We did grow up in the same area of PA so there is that.
Also I think we have some of the same heritage.
You have the same pissed off look when someone takes my picture.
Sort of like... Hurry the F Up, we got things to do!
I don't have many. I live in the present. I don't need pictures lol.
I also think I am not photogenic and when I record my voice it doesn't sound like me to me.
Here is a Funny for all you Science/Math Geeks...
Monet,
I cannot take credit for ownership of this beauty. This is GaryT's car (he's featured earlier in the thread). I was living at his place chunks of the year for the last three years -- that's why the Thomas Magnum reference. I was "borrowing" like Thomas Magnum would "borrow" the Ferrari in the television show. At one point, GaryT had a Ferrari, a Porsche, the Lambo, and a couple of others, but he scaled back upon retirement. He's not giving this one up, though. People have used this car in a couple of national ads.
The only reason I ran a photo (well, two reasons) is that (1) I'm getting old and don't care who knows what I did and (2) Argentino/Singer was claiming I wasn't a real person. This photo matches bio photos in Who's Who in Sports Gambling (1984) and some magazine articles, so there's no question I'm me.
Just a bump in case The Boz didn't catch the old "Tipsters or Gypsters?" college football rankings or the S.F.Chronicle article regarding Mike McCusker, the author and publisher. Also, in a couple of discussions of possible rebates for whale sports bettors down the road, notice I allude to the "Don Johnson in AC" rebate scenario to frame the concept.
Boz, if you haven't seen this, it's old stuff, but I think you might appreciate it in a way few would.
As mentioned earlier this thread, my partners in Pennsylvania and New York reported that New Jersey seemed well equipped, both in terms of trained personnel and physical plant, to open successful sports books this season. They did not think that Delaware was adequately staffed or prepared. A research report out of New Jersey now projects that New Jersey should pass Nevada in sports book volume as early as 2021, which is startling. This is undoubtedly due to New York dragging its feet, and these projections should, I think, put the fire under New York's derrieres to get things done quickly.
In any event, however, the question now is how will Nevada respond, if at all? Will we someday soon see -105s for everyone? Will we see a return to 1980-style comps and catering to sports players? Or will this lead to Nevada sports books simply giving up in terms of trying to compete?
Two new things of note that were mentioned earlier in this thread:
1) If you check vegasinsider.com and look up how sports bettors did under "NFL news," you'll find that sports book managers are now discussing which teams they needed in terms of, "We needed this on the east coast; we needed something else in Las Vegas." It's the first time discussions have been framed like this, and it opens the debate regarding whether regional compartmentalization will occur with different lines in different locales. Regnis and I discussed this earlier in this thread.
2) Pennsylvania, according to the proverbial "word on the street," will be legalizing sports betting sometime in the next 72 hours, and they can be up and running in a couple of weeks. This, despite the unprecedented $10 million tariff and 36% cut going to the state, which are both absolutely ridiculous. The question is whether Pennsylvania sports books will attempt to charge more than the normal 11-10 to overcome these burdens. Another question is how many of the entities bidding (and willing to shell out the $10 million) will Pennsylvania license in the state. We should know shortly.
Redietz-have you been able to determine if the few states that have legalized sports betting have different lines than Vegas? And when ultimately this all goes on-line, how would they differentiate the lines by location?
It will be interesting to watch Pennsylvania. The horse racing there is so crooked that most players won't bet Penn races.
Thus far, the lines have been, in theory, identical. Now what happens in the 10 minutes prior to kickoff can't really be ascertained, which is something I learned a long time ago. When Caesars Palace, for example, would list their closing lines publicly 20-30 years ago, or vegasinsider would list them, I can tell you as someone standing in line at the sport book the final few minutes, the lines were not always as reported. Right now, though, for practical purposes, the lines are the same. I suspect this will not be the case for long. This should result in what we discussed. If Pennsylvania, for example, allows three different books, those whose Las Vegas volume is significantly different ratio-wise LV/PA will be forced to have different numbers.
I lived in Harrisburg for five years, and went to Penn National about 25 times a year. The local saying: there are no 3/5 favorites at Penn National. Meaning that you cannot play them. Pennsylvania horse racing gouges the players percentage-wise, so the state's attempt at absconding with 36% of sports, while asinine, fits the modus operandi.
I read somewhere that Delaware is reporting a 30% win on the action. If true thats abominable.
If it's true, it may have more to do with the three closest NFL teams, the Giants, Jets, and Eagles, combining to go 3-9 ATS. I imagine that the Steelers and Patriots would also get some backing in that neck of the woods, so it may just be the way the local teams fared the first month.
Ha, RE, we probably overlapped many tines as I grew up in Harrisburg years ago and started my gambling at Penn National in the late 70’s and 80’s. I’m sure we know some of the same people from the employees there, local books and even local Politicians who liked to play the ponies and more.
It was a great place to learn about how crooked the horsemen (Ok, most of them) were in those days. The games they played didn’t allow the average player without inside info to have a chance to win. The $2500 claimers were the majority of races most nights with the occasional maiden race of long time non-winners setup to lose to a chosen newcomer.
And then you had the touts selling the Green sheet and others inside the door for a couple bucks. But you could get a beer and Hot Dog for a couple bucks.
They always had the boxing matches on PPV and packed the place for those. I clearly remember Cooney-Holmes like it was yesterday including fights in the parking lot afterwards.
Great memories, now the racing is an afterthought due to the casino. But the simulcast room is open with a few oldtimers still there almost daily. Hard to breath in there from all the cigar smoke.
I’m sure we could share PN stories for hours. Thanks for bringing it up! Boz
And you nailed it with how crazy the state is in regards to taking the casinos. About a year ago they offered the casinos a license to allow 24/7 Alcohol sales for $10 Million and actually budgeted for 4 casinos to purchase it.
Naturally none did, and probably wouldn’t have for free. They knew as the only place to purchase alcohol after 2AM anywhere in the state they would attract every drunk that wanted to continue the party. And as the last place someone drinks, they would be legally responsible for every drunk that headed out on the road, even if he only had one. The liability insurance alone makes it’s not worthwhile. And with most not having hotels, it would only make matters worse.
Just another example of PA politicians being out of touch.
A friend of mine has a small racing stable. He's now at Delaware, but 10-20 years back, he was at Penn National. His trainer, who died a few years ago, used every manner of trickeration, eventually was suspended, had an assistant take over, came back, then I believe was banned. Penn National had one of the first big time horse handicapping tournaments, and I tried to assist other friends who entered from all over the country.
It was a cool place. I had no idea you hung at Penn National, Boz. It was a classic.
In today's racing form.
https://www.drf.com/news/trainer-alb...ylvania-county
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Back in the day, the horsemen has the opportunity to make more money from gambling on or against their own horses then they did from the purses. The problem was they were always trying to f each other, and it never consistently worked. Unless it was a big event weekend, there was never enough “Dead” money to hide the wagers. Watching the infield tote board was a spectator sport in its own right. Trying to figure out who was up to what.
The lessons one learned about gambling and human nature lasted a lifetime for me. Definitely good times, like You said RE.
Back in the day when there was only one trifecta on the last race of the day, we had one harness driver that we were friendly with. He was a lousy driver but he would give us the live horses in that last race. Half of the horses were stiff--so you just used the other horses. Sometimes he would give the exact order of finish. But after a while, there were so many in on it the trifecta didn't pay enough for all the subterfuge. It was a joke.
Let me first say, I know nothing about horses.
I enjoyed going to PN on weekdays, especially in cold or bad weather. Very few people; you had the run of the place. Here's the thing. No whales at the time, no betting on PN from around the country into a sizeable pool. The tote board was the tote board. So on weekdays, some people would know what was up with various races, but they would not bet it all ways. So if they bet it in exotics, it wasn't bet in win. If they bet it win, they'd skip either place or exotics. I'd just watch the board, do the ratios in my head, and figure out where the value was. Sometimes it was way off, and I'd throw a few bucks on the value, regardless of what it was. Usually you'd find a race or two each night. I can't say I made any real money, but I didn't lose any.
I miss the old Penn National.
Here's a little more pennsylvania racing news.
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...in-parx-races/
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Got this email a couple days ago. Santa Ana Star is in Bernalillo just north of Albuquerque. I'm sure the other casinos around Albuquerque will follow suit because it is a big competition factor. The book will draw sportsbettors in that will dump money on other things.
Here's the fabulous new sportsbook at the Santa Ana Star in Bernalillo, New Mexico. There are no TV's, no seating, and I had to stand very close to the counter to read the lines. I was there Sunday. I went looking for a place to watch the games and all they had were some small TV's at the bars and they were all on the same game.
Thanks for the photos, mickey. I'm not surprised that states with legalization are firing it up even though underequipped and not prepared. The numbers and projections from New Jersey are so outstanding that everyone is jumping in. Think about it. By 2020, unless NY siphons off a big chunk by then, New Jersey will pass Nevada. And if NY gets things rolling, they will certainly surpass Nevada in two years. My friends reported that Delaware was not much better organized than New Mexico just a few months ago.
My basement would be a better venue. And I have 5 tvs down there.
Looks well staffed. Don't see any customers though.
Thanks for the pic and report, Mickey.
Sportsbetting is a huge industry, and it should be a success wherever it is legalized.
I wonder when California is finally going to get its act together and get it done. Talk about a huge market. It's 1/8 of the US population.
Redietz, you might like reading this guy.
https://lasvegasadviser.com/gambling...r-to-remember/
It's been reported that one book in New Jersey is putting up -112 lines on the NFL.
Redietz, I just read where Nevada sportsbooks had a record month this past September where they took 571 million dollars in wagers and won 56.3 million dollars.That's 9.86% of the handle. Sides and totals are just 4.5% edge. What are they making the rest of the money on, parlays?
To help "Rob Singer" with his math. Posts 63-66, with an assist from mickeycrimm, demonstrate that "Singer" and Mr. Mendelson had some company. Todd's massive WSOP win is also a matter of record.
We're finally getting some movement on legal sportsbetting in Montana. The legislature meets every odd year so if it doesn't go this session it will be two years before it has another chance. The bill currently proposed wants to bring the big bookmakers into the Montana bars. It looks like kiosks will be installed. My guess is the books will go with the sports bars initially, get a read on how much business they are doing, then expanding out from there if it's viable.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...QsUy_Nfk1fgrx7
Bumping this thread. This is a good example of what decent information and discussion actually looks like. I see Boz is in the thread, so he was here when this was posted. Not sure what about the McCusker Report he doesn't find credible. Mickey Crimm oriented the photos properly after I botched them all.
In the interest of complete reportage, I need to add that my girlfriend won LineMasters in 2019 for the third time in five years, which is impossible. The competition, which features roughly 40 heavy hitters (some of whom regnis knows), many of them horse players, requires six games a week, ranked from six down to one. Whatever I've accomplished in the last 40 years, her winning LineMasters three times in five years is as good as or better than anything I've done. If anyone has any interest, I'll track down her record over the five years and post it here.
This thread is interesting, in part, because it also features Alan Mendelson gently trying to debunk the vetting of an academic paper at a national conference.
"Singer's" current nonsense regarding me is ridiculous. I stated in another thread that I just gave a small group of sociologists (who've known me for 20 years plus) a tour of Las Vegas. Obviously, if "Singer" really believed I was blowing smoke, he'd simply ask who they were and would contact them to ask about me. He did not.
More of the same....blah blah blah blah blah.
How about posting those 7 picks/bets for Sunday's games and stop all your ridiculous posturing.
The only problem with "Singer" is that he doesn't know how to gamble. That's the bottom line. Other than that, he's a bright dude. Good writer. Tricky with language. Other than stuff like:
Hot and cold streaks.
Machines talking to him.
Publicly posting that using glitches is illegal while allegedly exploiting glitches.
Announcing someone else is in Nevada betting NFL for him (not allowed by Gaming Commission).
I mean, other than stuff like this, he's a smart guy. Why would a smart guy want to post on forums where he has no expertise? It's an odd hobby.
You never got it. Why did I say anything? Mickey understands why I said whatever I said, and he explained why. So what happens? No one here likes me for whatever reason(s), so they turn on Mickey. The best endorsement I could ever have....