Originally Posted by redietz View Post
Originally Posted by regnis View Post
Redietz-have you been able to determine if the few states that have legalized sports betting have different lines than Vegas? And when ultimately this all goes on-line, how would they differentiate the lines by location?

It will be interesting to watch Pennsylvania. The horse racing there is so crooked that most players won't bet Penn races.
Thus far, the lines have been, in theory, identical. Now what happens in the 10 minutes prior to kickoff can't really be ascertained, which is something I learned a long time ago. When Caesars Palace, for example, would list their closing lines publicly 20-30 years ago, or vegasinsider would list them, I can tell you as someone standing in line at the sport book the final few minutes, the lines were not always as reported. Right now, though, for practical purposes, the lines are the same. I suspect this will not be the case for long. This should result in what we discussed. If Pennsylvania, for example, allows three different books, those whose Las Vegas volume is significantly different ratio-wise LV/PA will be forced to have different numbers.

I lived in Harrisburg for five years, and went to Penn National about 25 times a year. The local saying: there are no 3/5 favorites at Penn National. Meaning that you cannot play them. Pennsylvania horse racing gouges the players percentage-wise, so the state's attempt at absconding with 36% of sports, while asinine, fits the modus operandi.
Ha, RE, we probably overlapped many tines as I grew up in Harrisburg years ago and started my gambling at Penn National in the late 70’s and 80’s. I’m sure we know some of the same people from the employees there, local books and even local Politicians who liked to play the ponies and more.

It was a great place to learn about how crooked the horsemen (Ok, most of them) were in those days. The games they played didn’t allow the average player without inside info to have a chance to win. The $2500 claimers were the majority of races most nights with the occasional maiden race of long time non-winners setup to lose to a chosen newcomer.

And then you had the touts selling the Green sheet and others inside the door for a couple bucks. But you could get a beer and Hot Dog for a couple bucks.

They always had the boxing matches on PPV and packed the place for those. I clearly remember Cooney-Holmes like it was yesterday including fights in the parking lot afterwards.

Great memories, now the racing is an afterthought due to the casino. But the simulcast room is open with a few oldtimers still there almost daily. Hard to breath in there from all the cigar smoke.

I’m sure we could share PN stories for hours. Thanks for bringing it up! Boz