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One final quick thought. Red rails against AP using multiple accounts or multi-carding on machines. I am not crazy about all the multi-carding either, although I did a little bit on several accounts within my household.

But for multiple accounts at a sports book that Red rails against, what is the difference between that and "runners" who place bets which all successful sports bettors use. Runners ARE multiple accounts.

Alot of this boils back down to the hypocrisy from Red. He has such a bug up his ass about anyone, especially someone that uses the label AP doing anything at an advantage with sports betting. :cool:

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One final quick thought. Red rails against AP using multiple accounts or multi-carding on machines. I am not crazy about all the multi-carding either, although I did a little bit on several accounts within my household.

But for multiple accounts at a sports book that Red rails against, what is the difference between that and "runners" who place bets which all successful sports bettors use. Runners ARE multiple accounts.

Alot of this boils back down to the hypocrisy from Red. He has such a bug up his ass about anyone, especially someone that uses the label AP doing anything at an advantage with sports betting. :cool:

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Redietz has spewed forth more hypocrisy than anyone. Railing against EV yet referring to ROI on his website to gather investors. So many have come and gone. His opinions on APs don't come from logic - they come from a place of jealousy and insecurity. Whatever. He's good for the website. I don't trust him at all.

No one on here cares to have the personal information of others as much as him. It is really quite creepy. You can see how he likes to threaten lawsuits over the most silly of comments. (Hey Red - wheres the link to where you wanted people to sign-up so I can view it and retract my opinion of you being an affiliate?) As if he would get a libel case ever won or even afford an attorney but regardless, the desire is completely there.

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Have you ever got an inheritance?

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Or collected on a life insurance policy, left money or assets (such as a house) from a spouse, friend, or relative?

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Have you ever got an inheritance?

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This seems like a bit of a witch hunt. Where are you going with this? What if his father left him the house in East Bubble Fuck or it he inherited it through his wife's passing? So what? These things happen all the time, in every family. My brother inherited from his father a couple years ago.

These things are normal. That doesn't prove anything about his 40 year claim of sports bettor extraordinaire. Isn't that what we are really after?

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UNKewlJ is a male prostitute who plays a lil blackjack as cover for his hustling is all.

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Have you ever got an inheritance?

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This seems like a bit of a witch hunt. Where are you going with this? What if his father left him the house in East Bubble Fuck or it he inherited it through his wife's passing? So what? These things happen all the time, in every family. My brother inherited from his father a couple years ago.

These things are normal. That doesn't prove anything about his 40 year claim of sports bettor extraordinaire. Isn't that what we are really after?

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Not to go Coach Belly on you but the correct term should be Bumble Fuck (which itself is derived from Bum Fuck) not Bubble Fuck.

Of course since its a slang word to begin with I suppose it can be anything you like, but East Bumble Fuck does come off slightly more impactful than East Bubble Fuck.

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Just the way he writes stuff like "Thats not how blackjack card counting works". Like who the fuck talks like that other than someone that never played or has played almost nothing and first getting into it. Its cringy as hell. Put two and two together. No ones ever met this guy, probably some retard in india posting on the forums looking for attention creating this persona online. What else is new in a community and industry full of degens, scammers, and pathological liars.

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Nothing you post is 100% true.
From faking your own death to using multiple sockpuppets.
Like Coach said... you are constantly lying to the forums and you have admitted to it time and time again.

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Even more hilarious: when kew settles down at some bar or in a sports book to "watch hoops" it's obvious the nervous little poodle has his eyes glued to his phone in case posters on multiple forums have something nasty (aka...truthful) to say about him.

These are what shakes his world. And he probably gets right into typing mode while he's worked up, saving it to Word until he gets home to post it, thinking he's made everyone believe he had the ability to wait to respond.

That is....if the cocktail waitress doesn't kick his squirty little ass around the book.

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Just the way he writes stuff like "Thats not how blackjack card counting works". Like who the fuck talks like that other than someone that never played or has played almost nothing and first getting into it. Its cringy as hell. Put two and two together. No ones ever met this guy, probably some retard in india posting on the forums looking for attention creating this persona online. What else is new in a community and industry full of degens, scammers, and pathological liars.

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The content of these 3 trolling posts isn't what's important. It is the times. Made 1:41pm, 1:42pm, 1:43pm in 3 totally different threads no less.

I will say it again. Yeah this is what people visiting Las Vegas do at 1:30pm in the afternoon. :D Vegas has very short springs. Usually just a couple weeks. If you are really in Vegas visiting, get out and walk the strip, play, eat and stop worrying about every AP (and I mean every AP) and real player not believing your silly little fictional story.

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Even more hilarious: when kew settles down at some bar or in a sports book to "watch hoops" it's obvious the nervous little poodle has his eyes glued to his phone in case posters on multiple forums have something nasty (aka...truthful) to say about him.

These are what shakes his world. And he probably gets right into typing mode while he's worked up, saving it to Word until he gets home to post it, thinking he's made everyone believe he had the ability to wait to respond.

That is....if the cocktail waitress doesn't kick his squirty little ass around the book.

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Just the way he writes stuff like "Thats not how blackjack card counting works". Like who the fuck talks like that other than someone that never played or has played almost nothing and first getting into it. Its cringy as hell. Put two and two together. No ones ever met this guy, probably some retard in india posting on the forums looking for attention creating this persona online. What else is new in a community and industry full of degens, scammers, and pathological liars.

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The content of these 3 trolling posts isn't what's important. It is the times. Made 1:41pm, 1:42pm, 1:43pm in 3 totally different threads no less.

I will say it again. Yeah this is what people visiting Las Vegas do at 1:30pm in the afternoon. :D Vegas has very short springs. Usually just a couple weeks. If you are really in Vegas visiting, get out and walk the strip, play, eat and stop worrying about every AP (and I mean every AP) and real player not believing your silly little fictional story.

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No one believes this sand niggers story... not even Singer

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UNKewlJ's stupidity explained: mental illness.

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Why isn't this retard making up more fake stories about being backed off?

Richard talks about moving up from card counting to harder to find games with bigger edges. The big edge has always been my forte too. From the very beginning I was always looking for and finding big edges.

He reveals that his biggest win was 335K in about 24 hours of team play on "a craps game."This is a big clue as I remember reading an article about Grosjean working on finding an edge at Card Craps. Munchkin was his partner at the time. The article didn't say anything about them making a big score though. But I think, putting two and two together, Munch has not so revealingly just revealed it here in this interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcma...JkIG11bmNoa2lu

I did some googling and found the article I read years ago about Munchkin, Grosjean and Card Craps:

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/gambling

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I did some googling and found the article I read years ago about Munchkin, Grosjean and Card Craps:

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/gambling

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Thank you for posting this mickeycrimm. The time and detail James goes to in setting up most of his plays is phenomenal. That is why he is the best.

One small detail that caught my attention and made me laugh was James buying in for $40 and using a couple crumpled up $20 bills. This is a tactic I used and posted about many times. I used a chip inventory for much of my regular rotation play, but when playing a casino that I didn't have chips for, or a casino not in regular rotation, my buy in method was $100 for a $25 minimum game. That is 4 freaking minimum bets. And for effect, I would buy in with crumpled $20s, sometimes the last $20 crumpled 10's or $5's. (never went as far as crumpled $1 bills).

I am not going to go as far as to say James might have taken that idea from me, as I am sure many players have come up with it. You don't want to sit down and peel several hundreds off a roll of hundreds, so what better way to say "I have no money and am no threat" than a very small buy-in consisting of a few crumpled bills. :rolleyes:

It is little tricks like this that add to longevity. Maybe only a few minutes, maybe an hour or two, which for me would take me to the next time I played that joint. The further down the road you can push any though of "hey maybe this guy is....", even a short time is what longevity is all about. One small segment of time and then another and then another. And each of those segments of times is worth EV....worth money. That is how longevity works.

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So I bid you farewell.

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Not someone in control of even his own life.

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Is this like the 10th time you've announced you're leaving? Why are you still here?

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And you just hijacked another legitimate gambling/AP discussion with your childish trolling.....again!

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Whether kewlJ is a "card counting AP" is in question. He definitely understands card counting, and has likely done it before, but whether he actively makes money from it is in question. I don't mind kewlJ's stories about himself being challenged.

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Why isn't this retard posting more fake baccarat sessions?

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Have you ever got an inheritance?

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This seems like a bit of a witch hunt. Where are you going with this? What if his father left him the house in East Bubble Fuck or it he inherited it through his wife's passing? So what? These things happen all the time, in every family. My brother inherited from his father a couple years ago.

These things are normal. That doesn't prove anything about his 40 year claim of sports bettor extraordinaire. Isn't that what we are really after?

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If would give possible clues to how one has been supporting themselves and how they acquired their assets.

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Or collected on a life insurance policy, left money or assets (such as a house) from a spouse, friend, or relative?

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This seems like a bit of a witch hunt. Where are you going with this? What if his father left him the house in East Bubble Fuck or it he inherited it through his wife's passing? So what? These things happen all the time, in every family. My brother inherited from his father a couple years ago.

These things are normal. That doesn't prove anything about his 40 year claim of sports bettor extraordinaire. Isn't that what we are really after?

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If would give possible clues to how one has been supporting themselves and how they acquired their assets.

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I don't know why you of all people would get caught up in this kind of thing Axelwolf? YOU have nothing to prove. Every real player and real advantage player knows from what you share and what you know that what you claim is accurate or very close. The only people that don't know that and are requesting some sort of proof of anyone are the very people that wouldn't even be satisfied with or accept that proof anyway.

It is a big goofy troll circle jerk.

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UNKewlJ can't post what he doesn't have. Which includes about everything he has ever talked about other than some red or green chips. :D

https://i.imgur.com/qFQz40yl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/y7W17LUl.jpg

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This seems like a bit of a witch hunt. Where are you going with this? What if his father left him the house in East Bubble Fuck or it he inherited it through his wife's passing? So what? These things happen all the time, in every family. My brother inherited from his father a couple years ago.

These things are normal. That doesn't prove anything about his 40 year claim of sports bettor extraordinaire. Isn't that what we are really after?

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If would give possible clues to how one has been supporting themselves and how they acquired their assets.

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I don't know why you of all people would get caught up in this kind of thing Axelwolf? YOU have nothing to prove. Every real player and real advantage player knows from what you share and what you know that what you claim is accurate or very close. The only people that don't know that and are requesting some sort of proof of anyone are the very people that wouldn't even be satisfied with or accept that proof anyway.

It is a big goofy troll circle jerk.

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Axelwolf should hire a PI. I can recommend one (my brother-in-law). Wait, wait, that would cost a lot. Maybe I can recommend a forensic-PI-in-training (my nephew). He'd be cheaper. And no, he's not the son of the PI. The whole schtick runs in the family. I'm just lucky.

I guess that could explain my multiple social security numbers, but hell, tens of thousands of people have multiple social security numbers, so that's not much of a rarity.

No AP wins "automatically" over any amount of time or is guaranteed to win. Kew might WANT others to believe that because that's how his entire online concoction is premised. But there's a whole lot more savvy and intelligence/discipline that goes into being successful with AP play.

And that's precisely why there are so many people who know and believe kew is a big fat liar....so much so that it bothers him no end, and he just HAS to lie about other successful players just to keep from going insane.

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If would give possible clues to how one has been supporting themselves and how they acquired their assets.

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I don't know why you of all people would get caught up in this kind of thing Axelwolf? YOU have nothing to prove. Every real player and real advantage player knows from what you share and what you know that what you claim is accurate or very close. The only people that don't know that and are requesting some sort of proof of anyone are the very people that wouldn't even be satisfied with or accept that proof anyway.

It is a big goofy troll circle jerk.

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Axelwolf should hire a PI. I can recommend one (my brother-in-law). Wait, wait, that would cost a lot. Maybe I can recommend a forensic-PI-in-training (my nephew). He'd be cheaper. And no, he's not the son of the PI. The whole schtick runs in the family. I'm just lucky.

I guess that could explain my multiple social security numbers, but hell, tens of thousands of people have multiple social security numbers, so that's not much of a rarity.

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There is no one I'm interested in enough to be hiring PIs', following, finding etc. Nowadays, I fuck around on the forums for some kind of entertainment when I'm in limbo and bored.

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No AP wins "automatically" over any amount of time or is guaranteed to win.

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If the double up bug was an AP move, which arguably it was as Nestor & Kane were not convicted since what they did was not illegal, then wouldn’t someone playing the double up bug win automatically over any amount of time & be guaranteed to win?

https://youtu.be/dcmaVEe69AY

Thanks for that mickeycrimm.

People can say what they want about Munchkin, but he is an accomplished, successful AP, who knows his shit.

A part I found particularly interesting was when he was asked about being back roomed and said he hadn't been. He elaborated to say that card counters are still back-roomed, but he hadn't done much card counting in many years. He said that he and his team members would simply be told they could no longer play (backoff), because they were winning and the casino hadn't figured out why.

Now I know this is beating a dead horse...a big smelly Arab dead horse. But compare that to a guy who claims he wins every day, playing high stakes, playing rated, so the casinos know who he is, and the casinos and pit personnel just wish him well and comp him on top. :rolleyes:

Hate to repeat it because I know y'all get sick of it, but one of these things IS the way Las Vegas and the casino industry works and the other isn't. One is real. The other fantasy. :cool:

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Thanks for that mickeycrimm.

People can say what they want about Munchkin, but he is an accomplished, successful AP, who knows his shit.

A part I found particularly interesting was when he was asked about being back roomed and said he hadn't been. He elaborated to say that card counters are still back-roomed, but he hadn't done much card counting in many years. He said that he and his team members would simply be told they could no longer play. (backoff).

Now I know this is beating a dead horse. A big smelly Arab dead horse. But compare that to a guy who claims he wins every day, playing high stakes, playing rated, so the casinos know who he is, and the casinos and pit personnel just wish him well and comp him on top. :rolleyes:

Hate to repeat it because I know y'all get sick of it, but one of these things IS the way Las Vegas and the casino industry works and the other isn't. One is real. The other fantasy. :cool:

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But if he says he wins every day & gets comped on top of it, but also says he was up a million dollars only later to realize he was “about even” isn’t it also possible that he think he wins every day and the casino personnel just wish him well & comp him on top of it, but later he realizes he thought he won, but actually realized he was “about even” but as easily as he made the mistake of being up a million dollars then realizing he was “about even” he had actually made a mistake on that and was in reality down a million dollars hence the casino personnel wishing him well & comping him on top of that?

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But if he says he wins every day & gets comped on top of it, but also says he was up a million dollars only later to realize he was “about even” isn’t it also possible that he think he wins every day and the casino personnel just wish him well & comp him on top of it, but later he realizes he thought he won, but actually realized he was “about even” but as easily as he made the mistake of being up a million dollars then realizing he was “about even” he had actually made a mistake on that and was in reality down a million dollars hence the casino personnel wishing him well & comping him on top of that?

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I presume you are being funny here or trying to be. :rolleyes: Who thinks they are up a million dollars only to count their money and discover they are about even. :cool:

Actually, in writing that question, I am reminded of a BJ player, member of Norm's forum for a while that some may remember. He went by the handle ZeeBaBar. I think he was Arab as well. Might have been a doctor who took up card counting late in life. So Zeebabar had a pretty odd (as in primitive) accounting system. It was a shoebox that he stored his winnings in, so he could count at anytime and knew how much he was ahead. But at least he KNEW when he was ahead and didn't claim to be up a million dollars when he was "about even" :D

Come to think of it, as recently as this January, Dawg claimed to have won just about a million dollars, according to his daily reports in about 15 playing days. Does that mean he really was about even or down 100k in January? :confused:

I guess I can at least take pleasure in that at least these silly reports have ceased (at least for the time being). Now dawg is just a full blow troll, trolling people....which is all he ever really was.

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And that's why tewlj wants me banned.

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Nestor & Kane did not utilize the DU play as an "AP move" in any way. They were degenerate vp gamblers who stumbled across a machine glitch and very sloppily beat it to death without a structured plan, in any sense of the word.

The reason I was able to play it very profitably for nearly 5-1/2 years before these bozos destroyed it for me (and, for possibly anyone else taking advantage of the play) is because, as a non-AP, I approached the anomaly as being able to "rob" the machines undetected, by coming up with methods that would absolutely keep all eyes off of me throughout the process. One win/one casino is not a policy for lazy-ass/helter-skelter players.

After the fact, you can say it was "the greatest vp AP move of all time"....guaranteed to make a sizeable profit time after time after time. But at the time I was no AP; I simply & painstakingly manipulated certain machines and outsmarted the casinos--and in a way that still makes me feel like a king every time I step into ANY of the many, many Nevada casinos I put the play down in every corner of the state.

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What's obvious is that Rob and I have obviously done something. Both in the casinos and in life in general.

As to some of the others here...questionable with the biggest question mark being besides UNKewJ's name.

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kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

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Nestor & Kane did not utilize the DU play as an "AP move" in any way. They were degenerate vp gamblers who stumbled across a machine glitch and very sloppily beat it to death without a structured plan, in any sense of the word.

The reason I was able to play it very profitably for nearly 5-1/2 years before these bozos destroyed it for me (and, for possibly anyone else taking advantage of the play) is because, as a non-AP, I approached the anomaly as being able to "rob" the machines undetected, by coming up with methods that would absolutely keep all eyes off of me throughout the process. One win/one casino is not a policy for lazy-ass/helter-skelter players.

After the fact, you can say it was "the greatest vp AP move of all time"....guaranteed to make a sizeable profit time after time after time. But at the time I was no AP; I simply & painstakingly manipulated certain machines and outsmarted the casinos--and in a way that still makes me feel like a king every time I step into ANY of the many, many Nevada casinos I put the play down in every corner of the state.

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Wouldn't it be great if the sharp guys around actually believed you?

I'm sure the retard posting fake UX jackpots with exercise equipment in the background is telling the truth about exploiting the double up bug.

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The Arabian Dog is a Trump copycat. From postings I gather he is no fan of Trump politically, but he emulates his behavior. Since long before he got into politics, if someone said something negative about Trump, he viciously attacked them, usually with made up bullshit and lies. On the other hand if someone says something positive about Trump, they are his new best friend, and he declares them "highly respected". Case in point, brutal Hungarian dictator ViKtor Orbon.

Dawg operates exactly the same way. Someone says something positive and they are his new best friend. Someone says something negative and he attacks with nasty lies.

In the case of Rob Singer, Rob initially stated what he really thought of Mdawg and his claims and it wasn't very flattering. (check the first couple pages of the Mdawg adventure thread on this forum). It was only later, that Rob did the old Singer Flip-flop when it was convenient to do so because Dawg was attacking me. :rolleyes:

Now who knows what Dawgs story really is, other than we KNOW he is not winning millions of dollars playing rated from a handful of strip casinos, and getting comped on top of it, while they welcome him and pat him on the back. That much we do know.

But there are several facts about Rob that we do know.

1) the man filed for bankruptcy just about the time he was beginning his great gambling career. Nothing screams success like being unable to pay your rent and bills and filing for bankruptcy. :D And you can bet gambling losses played a part in that.

2) The man climbed into an Rv at the RV dealership claiming it was his. FAKE & FRAUD!!!

3) The man posted a picture of million dollar jackpot, not from the video poker machine screen, but from a computer screen in his daughter's house, next to some old, stored exercise equipment.

4) The man's retirement play is living and mooching off his kids.

This is who Dawg wants to tie himself to, success-wise. :D

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Nestor & Kane did not utilize the DU play as an "AP move" in any way. They were degenerate vp gamblers who stumbled across a machine glitch and very sloppily beat it to death without a structured plan, in any sense of the word.

The reason I was able to play it very profitably for nearly 5-1/2 years before these bozos destroyed it for me (and, for possibly anyone else taking advantage of the play) is because, as a non-AP, I approached the anomaly as being able to "rob" the machines undetected, by coming up with methods that would absolutely keep all eyes off of me throughout the process. One win/one casino is not a policy for lazy-ass/helter-skelter players.

After the fact, you can say it was "the greatest vp AP move of all time"....guaranteed to make a sizeable profit time after time after time. But at the time I was no AP; I simply & painstakingly manipulated certain machines and outsmarted the casinos--and in a way that still makes me feel like a king every time I step into ANY of the many, many Nevada casinos I put the play down in every corner of the state.

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Oh Please!!!!!

Surveillance is going to take a look at any sizable hand pay jackpot. It only takes a few seconds to review the actions of the play. Strip casinos, such a jackpot is routine, so isn't going to draw that much attention, but still they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't review it for a few seconds.

Mid-sized casinos, like Stations, Boyds, South Point, and I will include Silverton, even though a little bit smaller, surveillance is absolutely going to take a minute and review the win. And any casino smaller, players playing the limits Rob claims is so rare they will absolutely scrutinize the play.

Now look, here is the play: Player hits a jackpot. He then inserts more money into the machine which triggers the option to change denomination.

That is NOT freaking normal actions. Nobody inserts more money immediately after hitting a jackpot like that. This action would ABSOLUTELY be noticed.

Maybe you get some sleepy, surveillance that just doesn't give a damn, BUT you sure aren't going to go 5 and a half years tricking competent surveillance crews with this play. Not a chance in hell.

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Originally Posted by jdaewoo

I'm sure the retard posting fake UX jackpots with exercise equipment in the background is telling the truth about exploiting the double up bug.

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Fair point.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

That is NOT freaking normal actions. Nobody inserts more money immediately after hitting a jackpot like that. This action would ABSOLUTELY be noticed.

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Drunk people do.
People with OCD do.
People with depressive tendencies do.

And casinos are full of such people.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

That is NOT freaking normal actions. Nobody inserts more money immediately after hitting a jackpot like that. This action would ABSOLUTELY be noticed.

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Drunk people do.
People with OCD do.
People with depressive tendencies do.

And casinos are full of such people.

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Okay, and surveillance would notice this behavior take a look and determine that the person is drunk, or has some sort of OCD. BUT they would notice and take a look. And in the case of what Rob is claiming, they would see what had occurred.

Don't make excuses for him. You know damn well he didn't play this play for 5.5 years to the tune of almost 3 million dollars. He read about the play, and Kane/Nestor right here on this very site, and stole the idea and play claiming he did it before they did.

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Originally Posted by smurgerburger

"Sure I'm a compulsive liar, but at least my lies could have been true!"

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Besides that it is Rob, doing his stupid Rob Singer bullshit, I personally don't think a whole lot of this play. I think it is theft and receiving stolen goods that the player KNOWS he is not entitled to. Doesn't mean I wouldn't have played it if I had discovered it. :rolleyes:

The fact that prosecutors didn't think they could prove the case to a jury (probably sympathetic against casinos) and/or a judge, who might not understand the technical aspect of the case, does NOT make it not illegal (double negative). It just means they didn't think they could prove it or didn't know how to prove it.

Now people might see a similarity in the play that my brother and I played last spring, which was also most likely a machine type glitch. I say "most likely" because I have never seen or heard of a blackjack game, felt or electronic that allows the player to take a second action after doubling down. I never heard of it, but that doesn't mean there isn't one somewhere with that odds rule. So there is no real proof, only strong suspicion that it was a glitch.

BUT there is no VP machine anywhere that pays a player $4000 for a 25 cent 4000-1 royal flush hit. You just can't claim you didn't know and be believable.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

That is NOT freaking normal actions. Nobody inserts more money immediately after hitting a jackpot like that. This action would ABSOLUTELY be noticed.

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Drunk people do.
People with OCD do.
People with depressive tendencies do.

And casinos are full of such people.

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Okay, and surveillance would notice this behavior take a look and determine that the person is drunk, or has some sort of OCD. BUT they would notice and take a look. And in the case of what Rob is claiming, they would see what had occurred.

Don't make excuses for him. You know damn well he didn't play this play for 5.5 years to the tune of almost 3 million dollars. He read about the play, and Kane/Nestor right here on this very site, and stole the idea and play claiming he did it before they did.

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How do you know what all casino staff do everywhere? Tasha just demonstrated that her local casino staff didn't look to carefully at her used bingo cards for a long time. The world is big and you haven't seen most of it. You're a bit too paranoid and that affects your perception of reality.

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Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs

How do you know what all casino staff do everywhere? Tasha just demonstrated that her local casino staff didn't look to carefully at her used bingo cards for a long time. The world is big and you haven't seen most of it. You're a bit too paranoid and that affects your perception of reality.

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There is a bit of a difference between bingo staff and surveillance at a casino. :D I have had the benefit of communicating with several surveillance and former surveillance guys. I mean come on....this is what they do!! If someone didn't notice a player inserting money after registering a win, allowing them to change denominations and receive a much bigger payout that the player was entitled to, those surveillance people would be out of a job.

I am not paranoid. I just KNOWhowo this industry works. It is my business to know who these things work. Any AP that doesn't know and educate themselves about these things won't be able to play for long. And that is especially true of card counters who have been fighting this war, since long before I started playing.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Always the same UNKewl pattern:

1. Post some nonsense.

2. Is challenged.

3. Fictionalizes about someone or other who
-wrote to him about it
-did the same play
-is aware that UNKewlJ did whatever it is UNKewlJ is claiming he did
-was seen doing the same play.

It's never enough that he did something, he has to also create some lies surrounding corroboration (that always center around unnamed, unknown, never to be revealed players in his fable).

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

There is a clear trend that has developed now. All of KewlJ's implied associates are turning out to be other invented characters in his years of lies. ...RIP

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Why isn't this retard posting more fake baccarat sessions?

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What's obvious is that Rob and I have obviously done something. Both in the casinos and in life in general.

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Developed an unhealthy obsession with an anonymous internet fag?

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LMAO

Kew is pretending he knows a lot of things he doesn’t know again.

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Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs

How do you know what all casino staff do everywhere? Tasha just demonstrated that her local casino staff didn't look to carefully at her used bingo cards for a long time. The world is big and you haven't seen most of it. You're a bit too paranoid and that affects your perception of reality.

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There is a bit of a difference between bingo staff and surveillance at a casino. :D I have had the benefit of communicating with several surveillance and former surveillance guys. I mean come on....this is what they do!! If someone didn't notice a player inserting money after registering a win, allowing them to change denominations and receive a much bigger payout that the player was entitled to, those surveillance people would be out of a job.

I am not paranoid. I just KNOWhowo this industry works. It is my business to know who these things work. Any AP that doesn't know and educate themselves about these things won't be able to play for long. And that is especially true of card counters who have been fighting this war, since long before I started playing.

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But Nestor & Kane got away with it for some time & quite a bit of money without surveillance catching on.

As I recall how they actually got caught was one of them got very lazy & greedy (not to mention extremely dumb) & sat in one casino just hitting handpay after handpay on the same machine & even complaining they were taking too long to pay him.

It was the large number of hand pays & money involved on the same machine at the same place in a short amount of time that caused him to be scrutinized, not a single hand pay which up until that point they hadn’t had any issues.

If I’m recalling everything correctly.

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Originally Posted by mcap

Kew is pretending he knows a lot of things he doesn’t know again.

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No he isn't. There is a lot I don't know. But there is a lot I do as well. An AP can never really know enough about surveillance and how they work. Different casinos have different priorities. Card counting now a days is a fairly low priority at most places. But on the other hand, some casinos the heat or evaluations are initiated from above, rather than from the floor. The more you can know and learn about different places the better off you are.

But lets just go over some numbers from Rob's claims. I know some of you people don't like to look at the actual numbers and math. I like to use an example involving the DU bug of hitting a 25 cent Royal for $1000 and changing the domination to $1 for a $4000 hand pay. That is just an example I use. Royals occur pretty infrequently. What if the player was playing $1 demon, hits a 4 aces for $400 and changes the denom to $5 for a $2000 hand pay. That would happen more frequently, but draw less attention. Less reason to look at it.

So at this level $2000 and $4000 hand pays you would need about 2000 times pulling off this play to get to the 2.8 million Rob claims. I mean how often do you think a player can pull it off without being caught? :confused:

Additionally, just Today Rob tangled his own web a little further by stating he had "1 win, 1 casino" approach. So he played 2000 different casinos to get to that 2.8 million? He says every corner of Nevada. That is going to have him playing some pretty small places, that even a $2000 hand pay probably gets a second look.

Now he could play even higher denominations which would have required fewer plays to get to the 2.8 million. But higher demon, means bigger hand pays = even more attention and scrutiny. It just doesn't add up. No body could do this play for 5.5 years 2.8 million dollars over 1000's of casinos and every surveillance guy in every casino looks the other way or is asleep at the wheel. :rolleyes:

When we discussed this DU play years ago on this forum, Maxpen indicated he would have taken a real grinder approach. Try to stay below the hand pay totals. And just for the record, in some of these smaller casinos in every corner of Nevada, hand pays aren't set @ $1200. they are lower. $500 or $600 can be a hand pay. So if you were playing these small places as Rob indicated, you might need 2-3000 hits. Even more likely someone is going to notice something. :rolleyes:

So anyway, I kind of agree with Maxpen. The optimal way to play this if you had stumbled upon it (which Rob didn't), would be to grind low stakes. 25 cent denom. Change the denomination on some $100 hits up to $400 or $500. Just cash out, avoiding hand pays completely, involving no casino personnel. You would have to do it many, many times, but with no handpay interactions, there would really be absolutely nothing suspicious or unusual for anyone to be looking at.

Yeah, you are.

He didn’t do it but you have such a hard on for discrediting Rob you’re going into these elaborate logic chains that aren’t ALL that different from saying you couldn’t possibly count cards for a living in Las Vegas for over a decade….

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You’re going into these elaborate logic chains that aren’t ALL that different from saying you couldn’t possibly count cards for a living in Las Vegas for over a decade….

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Kew is pretending he knows a lot of things he doesn’t know again.

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This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.

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Don’t you have some fake baccarat sessions to make up mdog?

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Don’t you have some fake baccarat sessions to make up mdog?

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Shouldn't you, and V, try making up your own bullshit, for a change? Ha.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

UNKewlJ can't post what he doesn't have. Which includes about everything he has ever talked about other than some red or green chips. :D

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Camel shit for brains: Lets assume those chips belong to you for a minute. There are some that suggest, you have clients and associates that you deal watches to, that are the really big rollers. But lets just for the sake of argument say those chips belong to you. What exactly do you think that proves?

It proves you HAVE or come from money. NOT that you win or have won money. I don't think anyone is doubting that you have or come from money, are they?

You have always thought the members on both forums here and WoV, fell for the notion that stacks of chips and cash means you won. It doesn't. :rolleyes:

Maybe you are fooling some of the novice or recreational players with that bullshit, but you aren't fooling any....NOT ONE real player, recreational or professional. It is just foolishness.

Addon: And you know who was one of the very first people to pretty much dismiss your stacks of chips and cash as nonsense? None other than Rob Singer about 3 posts into your adventure thread here on this forum. :D

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mental midget max. KJ

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Originally Posted by OppsIdidItAgain

Anyone who reads even a bit of a sheet of text like that, the stuff KJ spews on a daily basis, has to have a screw loose.

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When someone says they didn't read the post, it means only one thing. THEY READ THE POST! ;) We all spend way to much time on this forum. We don't log on multiple times a day and spend all that time to not read the posts. That is just something that is said when the person has no answer for what was written.

I wonder? Does this work in the courtroom? Can an attorney say "Your honor, I didn't read the brief because it was 3 or 4 paragraphs long?"

MrV, would that work? :confused:

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KJ and others here are going to their graves muttering unintelligibly about the Dawg.

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I have had the benefit of communicating with several surveillance and former surveillance guys.

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How convenient! Hope they aren't the same ones that broke your arm.

The British royal family like to sniff each other's eggy trouser rippers. If you want to dispute this fact, I must warn you that I have had the benefit of communicating with several Buckingham Palace staff and former staff.

https://i.imgur.com/ovNKyYnl.png

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I have had the benefit of communicating with several surveillance and former surveillance guys.

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How convenient! Hope they aren't the same ones that broke your arm.

The British royal family like to sniff each other's eggy trouser rippers. If you want to dispute this fact, I must warn you that I have had the benefit of communicating with several Buckingham Palace staff and former staff.

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Nobody from surveillance broke my arm. That was an overpaid, under-trained low-level security goonish jerk wad. What an idiot you continue to be.

On Norm's blackjack forum, there is/was a chatroom. That was an area that members could jump into to have conversations without typing out all the communications in posts on the forum. Mostly it was just a few members jumping into an impromptu chat. But a half dozen times or so (while I was a member) there was an invited guest. Often a well known successful AP type. Other times an attorney specializing in gambling "issues" And one time, it was a former surveillance guy that had just ended his several decades run at a strip casino. After the chat, I asked if there was a way I could communicate with him and he provided an email. We communicated for a period of time. Not too long. He provided some invaluable information for a mid-level card counter playing this town.

The second guy, also came from a forum. I am not going to say which one. It is known that he works in the casino industry, but it is not known that the position is surveillance except for a few people he told privately. I was one of them. And I picked his brain, off and on for a year or so. Didn't want to be too much of a bother, so it was just occasional.

THAT is the benefit of gambling forums. Not this one, because this really isn't a gambling forum anymore. Hasn't been for most of my time here. But you can be put in touch with people you otherwise wouldn't. From people who work in the industry to potential teammate. I am not really interested in the teammate situations, but others have benefited.

But again, none of that occurs here. here we have nothing but trolling. It is not a gambling forum.

BTW, Norms forum was also vbulletin, same as here, so I am sure a chat feature is available here. Druff just chooses not to have it.

But whatever. Continue your trolling ball pincher.

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What’s crazy about all this is that any normal person would realize that his ever changing story and desperate attempts to put out fires is just confirming that his story is false, and making him look even worse, but a sociopathic liar can’t help himself, and keeps lying just to cover up other lies.

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Why am I seeing a lynching on here?

Since we only have one known black member one can only assume this is meant toward Tasha.

This is going TOO FAR!

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

a lot of the trolling aimed in your direction comes as a result of years of lying both here and on other forums. I think you should look inward regarding why you get trolled so much.

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Kew is in his natural element when he's lying....about himself and others. That's why his posts about his concocted internet forum existence are always long & rambling. Serial liars never feel confident they're convincing others of their bullshit in just a few sentences.

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Originally Posted by Ozzy

Rob, you certainly have the UNKOOL1 number though, you have him pegged ! :)

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What exactly do you think that proves?

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The photos with his name prove he has access to money. And your histrionics prove it's more access than you have.

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Hound, I'd beg you NOT to hang yourself in your Las Vegas hotel room but I really don't give a shit.

Be a mensch and DO leave a generous tip for the maid: she'll be busy.

Adios, amigo..."To infinity, and beyond..."

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On Norm's blackjack forum, there is/was a chatroom. That was an area that members could jump into to have conversations without typing out all the communications in posts on the forum. Mostly it was just a few members jumping into an impromptu chat. But a half dozen times or so (while I was a member) there was an invited guest. Often a well known successful AP type. Other times an attorney specializing in gambling "issues" And one time, it was a former surveillance guy that had just ended his several decades run at a strip casino. After the chat, I asked if there was a way I could communicate with him and he provided an email. We communicated for a period of time. Not too long. He provided some invaluable information for a mid-level card counter playing this town. The second guy, also came from a forum. I am not going to say which one. It is known that he works in the casino industry, but it is not known that the position is surveillance except for a few people he told privately. I was one of them. And I picked his brain, off and on for a year or so. Didn't want to be too much of a bother, so it was just occasional.

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In case you ever retire "kewlj" and reinvent yourself under a new username, you should understand it's not just what you write that makes most people question your credibility, but how you write it. So many irrelevant details for what? Just to say you had an online conversation with a casino surveillance employee?

And still it does not prove what you are desperate to make everyone believe: that you know more about casino surveillance than anyone else and all casinos work the same way. Tasha's gambling hijinks disprove much of your absolutist "all," "everyone," "nobody" blather.

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So many irrelevant details for what? Just to say you had an online conversation with a casino surveillance employee?

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YOU seemed to question how and why I communicated with a couple people that worked in surveillance. So I provided the details.

I suppose my big mistake was treating you like anything but the troll that you have become. :cool:

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But of course I'm just trolling you... and all the trolls deep down actually believe you, right? Total self-dilution. Have you ever considered you might be wrong about anything??

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Why isn't this retard posting more fake baccarat sessions?

At about 18 minutes the Change Boys get mentioned. That was Axel’s crew:

https://youtu.be/lsrtP1GwlYw?si=r22LVtJP8x1e7tmN

Thanks for posting that mickey. Brings back a lot of memories from vp's heyday, and all the old personalities that were involved. With Dancer, I remember writing a very complimentary review in my GT column of his MDVP book when it was released, because it was such a good read compared to his other publications. And that came at a time when we were regularly at each other's throats on forums and elsewhere. He did reach out and thanked me though, as he was very surprised.

Everyone....every "name" in video poker has had their own individual career. But Bob has contributed more to the history of the game than anyone else.

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Thanks for posting that mickey. Brings back a lot of memories from vp's heyday, and all the old personalities that were involved. With Dancer, I remember writing a very complimentary review in my GT column of his MDVP book when it was released, because it was such a good read compared to his other publications. And that came at a time when we were regularly at each other's throats on forums and elsewhere. He did reach out and thanked me though, as he was very surprised.

Everyone....every "name" in video poker has had their own individual career. But Bob has contributed more to the history of the game than anyone else.

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I remember your review. It was very well written. I enjoyed the book too.