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12-05-2012, 07:20 AM
Vegas Vic

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Originally Posted by Rob.Singer

Of course, he could've dragged his wife along with him so they both could play further into that "advantage", but the thought of possibly having to look into the eyes of a loved one unable to move at will because of it, was likely too much for any decent person to fathom.

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12-05-2012, 08:17 AM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Arc, this is the most ridiculous thing you ever wrote: "My comment has nothing to do with the game. It's all about gambling in general."

Wow, are you messed up.

Hilarious. You make a complete fool out of yourself and I'm "messed up".

You didn't respond to the issue I raised. Of course, I know why ... you have no response.
12-05-2012, 08:23 AM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

No Arc, the facts are I had a stop loss limit to preserve a large win. I didn't have to call the $3 big blind with my pocket nines. I could have folded and left the game right then and there before the next hand which was my big blind. You see Arc, in poker, you can look at your cards for free until you are a blind -- big or small. In video poker, you have to pay to see every hand.

Now, with pocket 9s I had the option of deciding to see a flop. $3 was a fair price to pay to see a flop with 99. So I called the big blind. If I got lucky, the flop would have been very favorable for pocket 9s. But another player raised to $15. When a player raises to $15 the value of my 99 drops dramatically -- he is signalling that he has a strong hand which could be anywhere from another pair to AA or KK or QQ or even AK and pocket 9s is at a disadvantage to all of those.

Because I was at the table with this player, I knew he was loose but at the same time I knew he only raised with strong hands. And at that point I didn't want to gamble with my 99 anymore and leave with a solid win intact.

So, it sounds like your admitting you would have folded no matter what since your nines weren't a very good hand and "he only raised with strong hands". It had nothing to do with the loss limit. Your entire reasoning is full of huge holes.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

We've gone over this before in other threads. There is more thinking in live poker than in video poker. Video poker is a one dimensional game. There are many dimensions in live poker -- including, believe it or not, win goals and loss limits and bankroll preservation and there are books written about the math of just betting and pot odds. You never even played the game, and you are trying to show me and everyone else that your "video poker strategy" applies to live poker? You're giving me a big laugh.

This has nothing to do with VP strategy. What a ridiculous strawman. Just admit that I am right (which is obvious to anyone with a brain) and we can move on.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

I suggested this to you once before and I am going to suggest it to you one more time: go play some live poker. Don't make any bets. Just pay your blinds in a small game -- say a $40 buy in no limit game, or a $20 limit game with $1 and $2 blinds -- and watch the action and just think about what you would do with the cards you are dealt. It's a whole new world you never imagined.

All of your principles and strategies from video poker will fly right out the window.

Silly nonsense. The question is not the game, it is whether allowing a win goal or loss limit to affect your play is good idea. And it applies to any gambling as my blackjack example made obvious. Alan, you are violating the rule of holes ... quit digging.
12-05-2012, 09:00 AM
Alan Mendelson

Arc, I have tried to be polite with you but you are really pushing the limits. You are clueless how to play poker. I suggest you do some reading, and I suggest you play yourself. Poker is a more complex game than you can ever imagine. And frankly it goes beyond the math that rules video poker. You can have the best hand in poker but lose to a bluff, or lose because of your own insecurity. And, you can have the worst hand -- or not even a pair -- in poker and win. It is a game that goes beyond what cards you have in your hand and what cards are on the table. It is a mind game. It is a complex game. And you would fail at it.

You might believe you have the best hand, but as the chips are taken away from you you would be calling out "but the math says I should have won!" And when you did have the best hand you would be saying to yourself, that guy cheated me by bluffing!
12-05-2012, 09:06 AM
Alan Mendelson

Okay Arc, here is your BIG question:

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

The question is what would you have done if you weren't sitting at that win/loss limit? If you would ahve folded then what you did is just fine. If not, then you let the a non-poker factor drive you and that is not smart.

My answer is this: If I wasn't sitting where I was, with a win goal, and not wishing to lose any more chips, I would have called the extra $12 to see the flop, and I would have risked that another player would have re-raised because after the player who raised there were still two more players left to act. It is very possible that the next player could have re-raised to $30 and the player after him could have re-raised to $60 or even all-in.

At some point, Arc, you have to make a decision about just how valuable your cards are.

I will say it again: at that point, wanting to protect my $700 profit, I was willing to bet $3 hoping to see a "cheap flop" (which is the poker term) for the chance that my pocket 9s would win.

The situation would have been much different if instead of pocket 9s I had pocket kings or pocket aces. You are clueless.
12-05-2012, 09:10 AM
Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

Silly nonsense. The question is not the game, it is whether allowing a win goal or loss limit to affect your play is good idea.

The silly nonsense is that you don't know that protecting your stack is every bit as much a part of the game as knowing when to bet and when to fold and when to raise. Especially in tournament play which has another drastic change in poker strategy.

Arc, when you sit at a poker table and you waste chips on weak hands, you are losing "chip strength" for later when you have to bet with stronger hands. I know these concepts are foreign to you, because you don't have this in video poker. In video poker every hand is played with the same coin in. You really are clueless about poker.
12-05-2012, 10:00 AM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Arc, I have tried to be polite with you but you are really pushing the limits. You are clueless how to play poker. I suggest you do some reading, and I suggest you play yourself. Poker is a more complex game than you can ever imagine. And frankly it goes beyond the math that rules video poker. You can have the best hand in poker but lose to a bluff, or lose because of your own insecurity. And, you can have the worst hand -- or not even a pair -- in poker and win. It is a game that goes beyond what cards you have in your hand and what cards are on the table. It is a mind game. It is a complex game. And you would fail at it.

I would likely be very successful, but it would take some time. However, the game is not the issue as I have pointed out to you several times already.

Alan, it is your rudeness in not addressing my responses that leads to my less than polite responses. If you want me to be nicer to you then start reading and addressing the issues I state. If you continue to avoid the points I make and repeat points I have already debunked I will continue to call you a fool.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

You might believe you have the best hand, but as the chips are taken away from you you would be calling out "but the math says I should have won!" And when you did have the best hand you would be saying to yourself, that guy cheated me by bluffing!

Silly nonsense. Anyone familiar with the math realizes you don't win every hand even when you have an advantage. That's true in all gambling not just live poker. You are trying to avoid my points because they make it obvious you are wrong. Suck it up, Alan. Admit you are wrong so we don't have to continue to watch you scramble.
12-05-2012, 10:03 AM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Okay Arc, here is your BIG question:

"The question is what would you have done if you weren't sitting at that win/loss limit? If you would have folded then what you did is just fine. If not, then you let the a non-poker factor drive you and that is not smart."

My answer is this: If I wasn't sitting where I was, with a win goal, and not wishing to lose any more chips, I would have called the extra $12 to see the flop.

So, you admit you gave up a perceived advantage simply due to your loss limit. My point exactly, thank you.

No, it doesn't mean you would have won that hand. It simply means (if your analysis was correct) that you would win more of these situations than you would lose. That is the goal of smart gamblers.
12-05-2012, 10:06 AM
Alan Mendelson

Arc, I'm not wrong. I know it's hard for you to accept that. I'm sorry. And the game is the issue. The game defines how you play and what strategies you use. For heaven's sake, Arc, would you use the same video poker strategy at both Jacks or Better and Deuces Wild?

Well, you can't use the same strategies at blackjack and poker and video poker.
12-05-2012, 10:07 AM
Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

So, you admit you gave up a perceived advantage simply due to your loss limit. My point exactly, thank you.

NO!!!!!!! Pocket Nines does not have an advantage!!!! Pocket 9s is a relatively weak hand that needs to have a "good flop" in order to win.
12-05-2012, 10:08 AM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

The silly nonsense is that you don't know that protecting your stack is every bit as much a part of the game as knowing when to bet and when to fold and when to raise. Especially in tournament play which has another drastic change in poker strategy.

No, you have no idea what I know. And, this strawman has no bearing on the situation you found yourself at. Sorry Alan, making up hypothetical situations is truly nothing but silly nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Arc, when you sit at a poker table and you waste chips on weak hands, you are losing "chip strength" for later when you have to bet with stronger hands. I know these concepts are foreign to you, because you don't have this in video poker. In video poker every hand is played with the same coin in. You really are clueless about poker.

No, it's not foreign to me. It would be like playing a negative VP game and wasting "chip strength" (better known as money) that could be used playing a positive game. You are simply clueless about the big picture of gambling and how certain principles relate to ALL forms of gambling.
12-05-2012, 10:09 AM
Alan Mendelson

The beauty of the Internet is that everything you wrote is here for everyone to see... and everything I wrote is here for everyone to see.
12-05-2012, 10:10 AM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

NO!!!!!!! Pocket Nines does not have an advantage!!!! Pocket 9s is a relatively weak hand that needs to have a "good flop" in order to win.

Then why did you say you would have called? If you did not have an advantage then calling would have been stupid, right? Come on, Alan, you are running around in circles.
12-05-2012, 10:11 AM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

The beauty of the Internet is that everything you wrote is here for everyone to see... and everything I wrote is here for everyone to see.

Yup, one of uses simple logic and other keeps running around in circles. I also see that as "beauty".
12-05-2012, 10:16 AM
Alan Mendelson

I wrote:
NO!!!!!!! Pocket Nines does not have an advantage!!!! Pocket 9s is a relatively weak hand that needs to have a "good flop" in order to win.

And Arc responded:

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

Then why did you say you would have called? If you did not have an advantage then calling would have been stupid, right? Come on, Alan, you are running around in circles.

If that were the case Arc, you would sit at a poker table and do nothing until you were dealt pocket aces. And then, you still have no guarantee that your pocket aces would win. Because pocket aces lose about 20% of the time.
12-05-2012, 10:25 AM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

I wrote:
NO!!!!!!! Pocket Nines does not have an advantage!!!! Pocket 9s is a relatively weak hand that needs to have a "good flop" in order to win.

And Arc responded:

"Then why did you say you would have called? If you did not have an advantage then calling would have been stupid, right? Come on, Alan, you are running around in circles."

If that were the case Arc, you would sit at a poker table and do nothing until you were dealt pocket aces. And then, you still have no guarantee that your pocket aces would win. Because pocket aces lose about 20% of the time.

Nope, if you believe it takes pocket aces to have an advantage at live poker you are not a very good player.

However, I repeat yet again, this has nothing to do with the game. It's all about letting win/loss goals affect your play. You admitted above you would have made a different play had you not been at your loss limit. Since I'm not a poker player and I have no need to spend the time to look up the best play, I'll take you at your word. The right play was to call is what you said. Thus, you proved my point. You let the situation of a loss limit change from what you perceived was the proper play to what you perceived was a poor play.

That is not smart gambling.
12-05-2012, 10:30 AM
Alan Mendelson

Arc, please take a look at the charts on this page: http://www.beatthefish.com/poker-str...ker-hands.html

Consider the various ranks for pocket pairs, how 99 ranks and how other hands rank.
Then consider that win goals and loss limits are more important in live poker than you could ever imagine.
There comes a point in the game of poker when you lay down good hands. The familiar quote is "even winners know to fold."
I now fold in this discussion.
12-05-2012, 11:27 AM
Rob.Singer

I'm enjoying watching arci get totally undressed (on second thought....) as he makes a fool of himself again with confused poker ramblings leading to his mounting insults. And I'm partially responsible, because it's obvious my few posts have zinged him enough to set him off with the all-effective "chippping away process", and he knows exactly how and where that is :) And a shout out to Vic for the visual assist!

Alan, you have to know by now that all arci's doing is prolonging the discussion with Internet look-ups that he doesn't quite understand, just to give him something to do. After all, how would ANYBODY feel when all they can do besides this is have a blank stare on their face that's a million miles away from reality, because that's where living is located for him.
12-05-2012, 11:34 AM
Alan Mendelson

Rob, can't you stop?
12-05-2012, 01:31 PM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Arc, please take a look at the charts on this page: http://www.beatthefish.com/poker-str...ker-hands.html

Consider the various ranks for pocket pairs, how 99 ranks and how other hands rank.
Then consider that win goals and loss limits are more important in live poker than you could ever imagine.
There comes a point in the game of poker when you lay down good hands. The familiar quote is "even winners know to fold."
I now fold in this discussion.

Let's see the odds gave you a 72% win rate against one opponent and still over 50% with 2 ... however, that doesn't matter. You stated you thought holding the 9s was the best play. You did not hold them because you allowed an extraneous factor to influence you. That is not smart gambling. You can hem and haw all you want. I suspect the vast majority of good poker players would agree.

As for win/loss goals being important ... I have to cringe when I see you say something that demonstrates you still don't get it. They could be a good thing and they might not. If you are playing with an advantage then they are not good. If you are at a disadvantage then they can be good. It gets down to your competition. Tougher call with live poker ... easy call in VP.
12-05-2012, 01:34 PM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Rob, can't you stop?

Oh let him continue to ramble. All he is doing is demonstrating he doesn't have a clue about a topic that would be a slam dunk for a decent high school math student. If he wants to make a fool out of himself it is just fine with me.
12-05-2012, 03:18 PM
Rob.Singer

Bob Dancer claimed to have a huge edge in that South Point slot machine promotion, yet that "edge" only made him look like a fool. In fact, he was so enthralled with this imaginary "edge" after losing the first day that he came back a second for more personal "advantage player" abuse. But that's what he gets for trying to justify the Wizard's make believe tag line that it doesn't matter if you win or lose--"it only matters if you can justify it as being a good bet". And people wonder why these two pretenders have always been afraid of debating me or witnessing my strategy being played on a bet? Charlatans....both of them, more interested in how much they can make off of other gamblers than how much their phoney claims hurt those others.
12-05-2012, 05:58 PM
arcimede$

Another thread another example of robki's jealousy of successful APers. You just have to laugh at at him. So much envy built up over the years.
12-05-2012, 07:33 PM
Alan Mendelson

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Originally Posted by arcimede$

Let's see the odds gave you a 72% win rate against one opponent and still over 50% with 2 ... however, that doesn't matter. You stated you thought holding the 9s was the best play. You did not hold them because you allowed an extraneous factor to influence you. That is not smart gambling. You can hem and haw all you want. I suspect the vast majority of good poker players would agree.

As for win/loss goals being important ... I have to cringe when I see you say something that demonstrates you still don't get it. They could be a good thing and they might not. If you are playing with an advantage then they are not good. If you are at a disadvantage then they can be good. It gets down to your competition. Tougher call with live poker ... easy call in VP.

It amazes me how you are so selective in the information you present to make an argument. You point out the win rate for 99, but you didn't mention the win rate for pocket tens, pocket jacks, pocket queens, kings or aces. Is there a reason you overlooked that information?

I told you that the other player made a raise that was five times the big blind -- and that is indicative that the player had a big hand. I watched that player in previous hands and when he made big bets, he had big cards. A bet of five times the big blind indicated to me that he had a hand that was stronger than my pocket 9s. Continuing to play put my win goal and loss limit in danger.

Part of having an edge at poker, and part of having an advantage at poker, is knowing when to fold -- just like the song says. My edge and my advantage will still be around the next time I play... and the next hand that I play. Folding a hand is not a sign of a lack of an edge or a lack of an advantage or ability. To the contrary, it's a sign of skill -- a skill you don't have to employ in video poker because in video poker you are not playing against another player holding cards that are unknown to you.

As far as the "extraneous factor" of win goals and loss limits go... it's a very big factor in poker. What you can't understand Arc, because you play against a machine, is that your table image is vital to your future success. Eight players saw me get up from that table and leave with $900 including $700 of their money which was my profit. That image will stick with them the next time we meet. Your video poker machine will not remember you. But leaving as a big winner will leave the impression that in the future when I play my hand, I play winning hands. Put the "image quotient" in your video poker strategy book and see how far it gets you with your one-eyed jacks machine.

You continue to quote gambling gospel with no regard for reality of play. You have no concept of poker strategy, betting strategy, table image, reading competitors and what their hands might be, yet you continue to preach some gambling pablum that is supposed to tell me that you -- someone who has never played live poker in his life -- knows more than what I know about playing and bankroll management.

Do what redietz suggested to me: consult a professor or two.
12-05-2012, 08:03 PM
Rob.Singer

As with all his other lost opportunities in life, arci can only theorize about live poker play without having any real knowledge. I don't comment on what Alan says because we all....all except arci....know he's more of an expert at that game than the rest of us.

It's more than obvious why arci hasn't played at the poker tables and instead opts to sit at a vp machine for 6 hours at a time: he fears interaction with others, he brings absolutely no personality to the table, and he knows there are people much smarter than him that he has to face. With the vp machine, his being a loner with a boring monotone voice image can live up to expectations without any embarrassment.
12-05-2012, 08:12 PM
Alan Mendelson

Rob, I wouldn't claim to be an expert at poker. I have won some small to mid sized tournaments, and nothing to brag about. But I am a damn good cash game player. While I do not have a history of annual wins at video poker or craps, I do have a history of being a net winner at cash poker games. And I have a very good reputation for being a good player at cash games.

I tend not to play tournaments anymore, because tournaments involve more luck than skill. You must get the good cards and you can't make any mistakes in the late stages of a tournament when blinds and antes can quickly gobble up your stack. At cash games you can make mistakes and survive. In tournaments, your "tournament life" is at stake in every hand you play.
12-06-2012, 06:13 AM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

It amazes me how you are so selective in the information you present to make an argument. You point out the win rate for 99, but you didn't mention the win rate for pocket tens, pocket jacks, pocket queens, kings or aces. Is there a reason you overlooked that information?

Because that is what you were holding. The other don't matter in this situation. You can only make decisions based on the cards you are holding. You stated you would have called against one other better. Looks like that was the proper choice without additional knowledge since you would have been favored to win.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

I told you that the other player made a raise that was five times the big blind -- and that is indicative that the player had a big hand. I watched that player in previous hands and when he made big bets, he had big cards. A bet of five times the big blind indicated to me that he had a hand that was stronger than my pocket 9s. Continuing to play put my win goal and loss limit in danger.

The win goal made no difference. If you really believed he had a strong hand then the right play was to fold no matter what the win goal/loss limit was. That's my whole point. You tried to make this about your win/loss goals when they really should not be a factor in the middle of a hand. Before or after the hand was complete is the time to analyze those goals.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Part of having an edge at poker, and part of having an advantage at poker, is knowing when to fold -- just like the song says. My edge and my advantage will still be around the next time I play... and the next hand that I play. Folding a hand is not a sign of a lack of an edge or a lack of an advantage or ability. To the contrary, it's a sign of skill -- a skill you don't have to employ in video poker because in video poker you are not playing against another player holding cards that are unknown to you.

Alan, I have played poker before and I have watched lots of holdem on TV. You aren't stating any revelations, calling or folding is not the issue. The issue is you let an extraneous factor influence your play.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

As far as the "extraneous factor" of win goals and loss limits go... it's a very big factor in poker.

Nonsense. Every hand is independent. Quitting at some magical time in poker is no difference than it is in VP. It's an illusion.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

What you can't understand Arc, because you play against a machine, is that your table image is vital to your future success. Eight players saw me get up from that table and leave with $900 including $700 of their money which was my profit. That image will stick with them the next time we meet. Your video poker machine will not remember you. But leaving as a big winner will leave the impression that in the future when I play my hand, I play winning hands. Put the "image quotient" in your video poker strategy book and see how far it gets you with your one-eyed jacks machine.

So, you're saying you create a good image winning $700 but not winning $688. More nonsense. And, if you continued to play you might have walked away with over $1000. Would that create a better image?

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

You continue to quote gambling gospel with no regard for reality of play. You have no concept of poker strategy, betting strategy, table image, reading competitors and what their hands might be, yet you continue to preach some gambling pablum that is supposed to tell me that you -- someone who has never played live poker in his life -- knows more than what I know about playing and bankroll management.

Once again, this is not about playing poker, it's about letting an extraneous factor affect your play. You are so stuck on win/loss goals that you are letting them affect you. While you may claim to be a good poker play, comments like these say you are missing some capabilities. For example, if another player realized you took these goals into consideration they just might throw in some big raises at times to take advantage of your poor thinking.
12-06-2012, 08:42 AM
Alan Mendelson

You see Arc, you don't understand live poker at all.

First mistake was referencing the statistics about pocket nines which are over the long term. But you have to look at what the other player might have in that particular hand and forget the statistics. The statistics mean little here. The other player made a big bet signalling he had cards better than pocket 9s. Pocket 9s are not strong cards.

And in live poker, as I explained to you, extraneous factors are a major issue because it is a game of psychology as much as many other factors and keeping to a win goal and leaving with a stack of chips you just took from your opponents at that table increases your position and image and strength for future play. Your machine doesn't care if you won or lost. But in live poker you shudder when a big, profitable player comes to your table.

The very first big tournament I played in was a World Poker Tour tournament at the Commerce about seven years ago. I took my seat at the table... and who was at my table: Daniel Negreanu, Tony G (Antanas Guoga), Carlos Mortenson, and a couple of other big names. I took my seat and said to myself "I am the sacrificial lamb." I sat there, folding what would otherwise would have been winning hands because psychologically I felt if the big guys were betting they must have the winning cards. (After the first two hours of play I wised up and I actually outlasted Daniel and Carlos, and Tony G complimented me -- called me a "poker genius" when I folded two pair Ace and Jack to his set of queens.)

Arc your other ridiculous comment was "this is not about playing poker, it's about letting an extraneous factor affect your play. You are so stuck on win/loss goals that you are letting them affect you." Well, Arc, when you play poker its all about playing poker which is different from playing video poker. And every hand you play in live poker actually has a win/loss goal. You want to maximize your win in every hand of live poker, and in every hand of live poker you want to minimize your loss. Think about that carefully because that really sums up the game of live poker.

Arc you also wrote: "So, you're saying you create a good image winning $700 but not winning $688. More nonsense. And, if you continued to play you might have walked away with over $1000. Would that create a better image?" Arc, the player making the raise had more than $100 in front of him... I think about $125 so my potential loss to him was $125. There were other players with more chips -- I could have lost as much as about $300 in that hand had I stayed in. $300 would have been almost half of my profit on the night and one third of my stack lost in one single hand, and those things happen all the time in live poker.
12-06-2012, 03:25 PM
arcimede$

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

You see Arc, you don't understand live poker at all.

First mistake was referencing the statistics about pocket nines which are over the long term. But you have to look at what the other player might have in that particular hand and forget the statistics. The statistics mean little here. The other player made a big bet signalling he had cards better than pocket 9s. Pocket 9s are not strong cards.

Which means you should fold no matter what the loss limit was. However, you stated earlier that if you faced with the same situation on the first hand of the day you would have called. You keep yo-yoing back and forth. The point still remains, the win/loss limit should not have been a factor.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Arc your other ridiculous comment was "this is not about playing poker, it's about letting an extraneous factor affect your play. You are so stuck on win/loss goals that you are letting them affect you." Well, Arc, when you play poker its all about playing poker which is different from playing video poker. And every hand you play in live poker actually has a win/loss goal. You want to maximize your win in every hand of live poker, and in every hand of live poker you want to minimize your loss. Think about that carefully because that really sums up the game of live poker.

Not the same goals. You are making things up as you go along.

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Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson

Arc you also wrote: "So, you're saying you create a good image winning $700 but not winning $688. More nonsense. And, if you continued to play you might have walked away with over $1000. Would that create a better image?" Arc, the player making the raise had more than $100 in front of him... I think about $125 so my potential loss to him was $125. There were other players with more chips -- I could have lost as much as about $300 in that hand had I stayed in. $300 would have been almost half of my profit on the night and one third of my stack lost in one single hand, and those things happen all the time in live poker.

Still scrambling. You're back to doing what ifs ... what if you stayed in and won $300? It works both ways. And, even if you called the $12 raise you could still have folded with a bad river, you didn't have to stay in to the bitter end.

Alan, you are out in left field on this one. The session ending win/loss goals should not affect your play. Every decision should be independent of extraneous stuff.
12-06-2012, 04:56 PM
Alan Mendelson

Arc I stopped reading when you brought up the question about playing 99 on the first hand. Well Arc on the first hand I only had bought in with $100 and I had not reached any win goal and I had no stack of $900 to protect. Are you obsessed over this or what?

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