The Adventures of MDawg (in progress)

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by Kim Lee

You stopped replying to my emails when I said I was visiting town last month, so I'm posting here.

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Maybe the professor will bankroll your under-60K redietz play.

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Since "the professor" concluded that at best maybe Bob Dietz broke even or made a very little bit of money sports betting, I suspect....don't know but suspect he would bankroll such a bet.

BUT I don't need anyone to bankroll anything. If I had a desire to bet anything with internet trolls, I am quite capable of bankrolling myself. Just the past two weekends I had over 45K floating around at different Vegas books, playing the 1st 2 weeks NFL play and that was just from my regular BJ bankroll. Didn't even have to touch my bank accounts.

Duphus coach belly, Every time, I take you off ignore and respond to you as if you were a normal person, I immediately regret it. I guess that is on me, not you, but WTF, be a normal person and not the asshole internet troll that you always are.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by Half Smoke

here is Mike's tracking of over 2,000 games showing all away underdogs with a positive r.o.i. of 2.57%

a cautionary note - this material is dated - I'm not sure it's still that strong - but I would speculate that it will at least break even ats
https://wizardofodds.com/games/sports-betting/nfl/
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GMAFB, what a clusterfuck! KewlJ posted about 30 years of data from Mike Shackleford. Actually Mike sold Wizardofodds to LCB Network. The site now throws up random statistics to generate traffic while selling ads for sportsbooks. The data come from some obscure Austrialian sports betting site. Those data list over 5,000 games over less than 20 years, while the tabulation posted includes only 3,000 games. The ROI of 2.57% is not accurate at -110. The spreadsheet lists open, close, maximum and minimum pointspreads and odds. Which ones were used? There was home-dog, away-dog, home-favorite, away favorite, home-pick, and away-pick in addition to Over and Under. Only 1 of these 8 angles was positive, but not statistically significant. I would happily bet against this angle out of sample, as do CRIS and Pinnacle.

Meanwhile, RDietz does not even track his own record and just makes vague claims. He paid to be tracked by a tout pamphlet that was so bad that even RDietz did not save a copy for his scrapbook. Or maybe his mom threw it out along with his Nolan Ryan rookie card.

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Originally Posted by Kim Lee

Or maybe his mom threw it out along with his Nolan Ryan rookie card.

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We could dig up and ask Dietz's dad who is buried in the back yard of The Forrest Lane property. That is probably why Red didn't sell that property when he moved recently. :D

Kim Lee, keep in mind, I am NOT looking to beat anything straight up. My advantage comes from the bonus whoring of off-shore books, for as long as they allow it. All I am looking to do is come as close to breaking even so as to eat up as little as possible bonus money as I work through rollover.

And it does look like away dogs and probably dogs in general loses less than betting favorites, which we know the public tends to over bet.

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Originally Posted by MaxPen

This dude is a fraud. He just tries to piece together things that he imagines goes on based on a culmination of bits and pieces of stories he pulls from the Internet. Clown world.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

"the professor" concluded that at best maybe Bob Dietz broke even or made a very little bit of money sports betting

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60K is likely considered a very little bit of money to a financier and hotshot options analyst.

After all, 60K may be less than MDawg's average bet per hand.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

My advantage comes from the bonus whoring of off-shore books, for as long as they allow it. All I am looking to do is come as close to breaking even so as to eat up as little as possible bonus money as I work through rollover.

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Do you lay off your online bets at the brick & mortar books?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I had to go out last weekend because I was working on this 1st 2 weeks NFL play and needed to hit some sports books in Vegas.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

"the professor" concluded that at best maybe Bob Dietz broke even or made a very little bit of money sports betting

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60K is likely considered a very little bit of money to a financier and hotshot options analyst.

After all, 60K may be less than MDawg's average bet per hand.

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I'm lost here. What "tout pamphlet" is the academic referring to?

"Tipsters or Gypsters?" was well respected. Playbook kept publishing Wise Guys' records (two plays a week, every week of football) for decades.

And that's not even taking into account that McCusker locked handicappers into Friday/Sat lines, which degraded their records versus choosing when to bet at what lines. The degradation was generally between 1 and 2 if you were with him for years. And he locked you into lines from Leroy's.

You gotta love anonymous academics.

You know, the sad thing is, academics really should not play at being anonymous gamblers with Asian names. I mean, your entire academic career is based on being published with real data and attaching your actual name to what you have published and what you have to say. Being a Jekyll/Hyde by playing at anonymity online is a bizarre path for an academic.

And finally, the fact Billy Walters hired me blows the whole argument out of the water. What, you think one of the wealthiest men in gambling wasn't able to vet me? You think he wasn't able to evaluate me by performance and reputation? You think I fooled Walters? If that's your conclusion, you are truly an idiot.

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Originally Posted by redietz

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Originally Posted by coach belly

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

"the professor" concluded that at best maybe Bob Dietz broke even or made a very little bit of money sports betting

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60K is likely considered a very little bit of money to a financier and hotshot options analyst.

After all, 60K may be less than MDawg's average bet per hand.

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I'm lost here. What "tout pamphlet" is the academic referring to?

"Tipsters or Gypsters?" was well respected. Playbook kept publishing Wise Guys' records (two plays a week, every week of football) for decades.

And that's not even taking into account that McCusker locked handicappers into Friday/Sat lines, which degraded their records versus choosing when to bet at what lines. The degradation was generally between 1 and 2 if you were with him for years. And he locked you into lines from Leroy's.

You gotta love anonymous academics.

You know, the sad thing is, academics really should not play at being anonymous gamblers with Asian names. I mean, your entire academic career is based on being published with real data and attaching your actual name to what you have published and what you have to say. Being a Jekyll/Hyde by playing at anonymity online is a bizarre path for an academic.

And finally, the fact Billy Walters hired me blows the whole argument out of the water. What, you think one of the wealthiest men in gambling wasn't able to vet me? You think he wasn't able to evaluate me by performance and reputation? You think I fooled Walters? If that's your conclusion, you are truly an idiot.

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This clown Dietz is unbelievable. reminder Dietz, Kim Lee came to this forum because you talked him up as an expert on the contest and tip sheets from the 80's He was YOUR expert. That is until he said the opposite about you than you thought he would. Now you refer to him as "the academic" as if to say "what does he know about sports betting, he is just an academic". You were right the first time. He is an expert on sports betting (and touting) from your era and called what you are/were 100% correct. he even got the part that you might have survived and broke even if someone was basically supporting you. I don't think he even knew your situation, but called it 100% correct.

So now you are back to dropping Billy Watters name. Billy Watters hired you as a runner for a few months. Those guys (top sports betters) went through runner like toilet paper back then.

If Mr Watters thinks so highly of you, drop him a line, get him over here and lets get you and him on a podcast (Druffs or Munchkins) and get to the bottom of this.

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Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs

How are you harping on someone else to explain their timeline when your own timeline is swiss cheese?

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

reminder Dietz, Kim Lee came to this forum because you talked him up as an expert on the contest and tip sheets from the 80's He was YOUR expert.

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I see tewlj is trying to re-write history again.

Unfortunately for the compulsive liar, we have the actual written history surrounding Kim Lee's appearance on this forum.

Nobody talked him up as an expert on sports betting, contests, touting or tip sheets...tewlj made that up.

Here's the thread...

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Originally Posted by AxelWolf

I just want to know if this magazine is the (or associated with) Tipsters or Gypsters published by Mike McCusker, the one you are always talking about?

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Originally Posted by redietz

one of KewlJ's blackjack playing professional friends posted here under an Asian name (he's not Asian), and he had a better collection of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" than I have. Somewhere in this forum, he discusses it.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

The poster that goes by KimLee, posted here for a few weeks back in 2018. I haven't really been in contact with KimLee since he posted here for that short period. But as a courtesy to Redietz, I emailed him and made him aware of this conversation.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

So, I have heard back from KimLee. He confirmed that Bob Dietz was listed in the 1980 Tipsters & Gypsters published by Mike McCusker

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What is the going rate to pick cherries, Coach belly?

You listed one of two times Dietz mentioned Kim Lee. I am not going to waste 1 minute looking for the other. But basically, Dietz was mentioning Kim Lee as having a bigger and better collection of tipsters and gypsters or whatever it is called. Dietz was expecting that if Kim Lee showed, he would confirm that Bob Dietz was the leader or in top 5 of some of those contests. THAT is what Dietz wanted. Instead Kim Lee said something to the effect that after studying the publications he concluded that Dietz did not have a record of picking winner that would lead to anything but breaking even or maybe making a small amount of money.

Kim Lee went on to tell everyone exactly what those publications and contests were about, (for those of us that didn't know). That they were a tool that touts used, so they could point to the contests when trying to get new clients. Kim Lee also informed us that those listings or ratings weren't on the up and up. That touts could pay for a better rating or listing.

So Dietz used those contests monitored by whatever group as a selling tool for new customers and then later used the same phony results to try to pull the wool over everyone's eyes here at VCT. Double Fail on Dietz's part. Because he happened to mention someone in Kim Lee that knew what that game was all about.

So fuck you troll belly.

The bottom line is Dietz is/was a 40 year tout. He made whatever money he made from sports betting by selling picks, however it was that he set it up with "Integrity Sports". He sold picks! He didn't make his money by being a successful sports bettor as he told us since I began on this forum.

He spent 100 days a year in Vegas late summer early fall because he needed to find new "marks" or clients. And for those 100 days he stayed in some of the lower run down weekly/monthly places. NONE of that says successful sports bettor.

As Kim Lee said, if Dietz could really pick winners on a long term basis, he would have bet, built a bigger bankroll, bet more and never looked back. Same model as every other advantage player, including sports bettors. There would have been no need for clients and betting other peoples money.

Dietz has a good long run with this sports bettor story. He just picked the wrong guy in Kim Lee that knew what it was all about.

And it is the same thing with this Mdawg. This guy had a fun story about being wealthy, betting big in Vegas, winning big, and getting top comps. That story might have worked on that silly little forum for people writing stories, but it was never going to fly at WoV where at the time there were many APs and real players who KNOW how things work. He picked the wrong forum for that shit. Just like Dietz picked the wrong guy in Kim Lee.

Now Singer was a little different. His story, fueled by jealousy of Bob Dancer and other APs was just stupid from day 1. And then he escalated into the double up bug that he stole. And then he escalated a third time into million dollar jackpot hit.

It isn't my job to call out this shit. But as a real advantage player, who knows how things work, how can you not say something. The very least these people can do is have there story be the way the math and the casino industry works. Fucking retards.

Kew, maybe you should try a new network of lies. It sure seems nearly every lie you've tried to get away with has come back to bite you in the ass....with SO many different posters joining in on your humiliation!

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Originally Posted by MDawg

Ask Dan the Dandruff Man to Confirm what SeedValue already revealed - that UNKewlJ's online posts mostly geolocate to the corner of E Bonanza Rd and N Las Vegas Blvd, which is where some homeless like UNKewlJ hang. Nowhere near where she would like people to think that she dwells.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

The bottom line is Dietz is/was a 40 year tout. He made whatever money he made from sports betting by selling picks, however it was that he set it up with "Integrity Sports". He sold picks! He didn't make his money by being a successful sports bettor as he told us since I began on this forum.

He spent 100 days a year in Vegas late summer early fall because he needed to find new "marks" or clients. And for those 100 days he stayed in some of the lower run down weekly/monthly places. NONE of that says successful sports bettor.

As Kim Lee said, if Dietz could really pick winners on a long term basis, he would have bet, built a bigger bankroll, bet more and never looked back. Same model as every other advantage player, including sports bettors. There would have been no need for clients and betting other peoples money.

Dietz has a good long run with this sports bettor story. He just picked the wrong guy in Kim Lee that knew what it was all about.

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He could be a winning bettor and still need investment money but ultimately it would just suggest an unprofessional approach in some regard.

You need the concept of EV to know when not to bet. If however you do valid handicapping you can still be a winning player. Just less volume and be selective enough in picking your bets.

But the whole thing is shady and beating contests in no way proves you beat books with cash bets. Anyway he's a character and glad to see him posting.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

And it is the same thing with this Mdawg. This guy had a fun story about being wealthy, betting big in Vegas, winning big, and getting top comps. That story might have worked on that silly little forum for people writing stories, but it was never going to fly at WoV where at the time there were many APs and real players who KNOW how things work. He picked the wrong forum for that shit. Just like Dietz picked the wrong guy in Kim Lee.

Now Singer was a little different. His story, fueled by jealousy of Bob Dancer and other APs was just stupid from day 1. And then he escalated into the double up bug that he stole. And then he escalated a third time into million dollar jackpot hit.

It isn't my job to call out this shit. But as a real advantage player, who knows how things work, how can you not say something. The very least these people can do is have there story be the way the math and the casino industry works. Fucking retards.

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You have no idea how "the math" works. You're consistently trying to blend the probability of random events with the probability of non-random events and then applying it when it's not at all applicable.

It's a joke. Shackleford would bury you in three seconds for this nonsense. Basically, and I'll give you a pass on blackjack, you have no math understanding whatsoever when it comes to anything outside blackjack. Almost everything you have to say is wrong.

I have lunch every week with people who taught college probability. And -- LOL -- Munchkin on occasion. Who the hell does kewlJ actually interact with that has any math training whatsoever?

The answers: Nobody. Zero. Nada. Not a fucking soul.

But he wastes everyone's time by blathering about how he "knows how the math works." No he doesn't. He doesn't grasp basics. It's actually funny that he keeps repeating that he "knows how the math works." Methinks the dude doth protest too much.

And MDawg, quote me on this.

This fucking kewlJ idiot decided to take a shot at me because I reported I was in trouble in the Miami/Buffalo game because I needed Over 40. Obviously, if I was in position to lose it (and I was), and the real total was 50, I did something stupid. And was reporting it in real time. But kewlj thought I was bragging. He should learn to read. Or gamble. One or the other.

Sitting in 66th out of a couple thousand in the Race to the Super Bowl.

Over and out.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

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Originally Posted by Spike

Hmm. When I had the bar in Santa Barbara there was a gay bar in the same block and we got a lot of their business. You are sounding like some of the self-obsessed Queens I got to know in those days. Everything was always about them, and if it wasn't about them they used extreme melodrama to make it about them. You’re sounding just like that to me. You rant and rave and then say, oh my, why is everybody paying so much attention to little old me. Sound familiar?

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Lol. Nailed it. Kewl managed to turn this whole thread into being about him. At least in his own head.

I'm rather certain he has money from something he feels shame over.
Most likely a prostitute

Pretending to be some hero AP gives him purpose and a sense of accomplishment.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

What is the going rate to pick cherries, Coach belly?

You listed one of two times Dietz mentioned Kim Lee. I am not going to waste 1 minute looking for the other.

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Didn't even take a minute to find the other, it's from the same thread.

Here's both times redietz mentioned Kim Lee (although not by name...you did that)

redietz doesn't claim that anybody is an expert, you made that up.

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Originally Posted by redietz

To put this all in context, one of KewlJ's blackjack playing professional friends posted here under an Asian name (he's not Asian), and he had a better collection of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" than I have.

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Originally Posted by redietz

I also mentioned a poster here under an Asian name who was a professional card counter and who had a collection of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" better than mine.

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There is a lot of behind the scenes shit you don't know about Belly.

Dietz contacted Kim Lee feeding him information about what he does thinking Kim Lee would back him up by saying something about Dietz doing well in those Gyspsters contests, which would back up that Dietz is a winning sports better. Instead Kim Lee gave his honest opinion about what was going on, which was pretty much the opposite, that Dietz was little more than a break even sposrts bettor who probably has a spouse or someone supporting him.

And then even worse, Kim Lee went on to tell us how those "monitored" contests REALLY work. That touts use them to impress new clients and that touts can pay to have their results show them in good light. What a scam. A "tout" scam.

Mdawg also contacted Kim Lee at a work email and fed him all kinds of lies asking that Kim Lee stop supporting me. That is the kind of stalker/trolls we are dealing with here. Kim Lee doesn't support me. I have never asked him to say anything in support of me. He is just a very experienced advantage player that knows how things work as well as a network of other advantage players and knows who is and isn't legit. He also has an uncanny knack for knowing pretty accurately what different APs make, because he understand the math and how things work.