Science is wonderful and should be trusted, but the problem is concerning Covid, it seems to rarely be applied. My cousin was a biochemist at a large university and quit her job over the lack of such application.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Printable View
Science is wonderful and should be trusted, but the problem is concerning Covid, it seems to rarely be applied. My cousin was a biochemist at a large university and quit her job over the lack of such application.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
And not getting the vaccine worked even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
But I do have a couple friends who were not so lucky :(Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
You trust the so-called science because you want the Government to take care of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Shingles vaccine? Really??
Here's a hint: the less drugs you put into your body, the better life you will have.
Yes, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
My great nana contracted shingles very late in her long life (103 years) and by report it was an agonizing affliction for her.
Sure, there's always risks with any vaccines, especially ones like covid which were rushed into production, but I'll take the risk rather than getting a full, unbuffered dose of disease.
Take it easy and educate yourself. The more recent variants of Covid are not all that life threatening. Experts said from the very beginning that Covid would likely mutate into something more transmissible but less harmful and this is what happened. And it certainly no longer warrants taking an experimental drug therapy with highly questionable long term effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
When you start talking about msm as some sort of conspiratorial thing then sorry but that is from the land of social media influencers. Listen to us, not THEM! All this shit goes hand in hand which is a big part of why I'm over it and don't like to discuss it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogTo this I can only say huh?? You said they don't control, I said they probably have some influence. Then you say you agree with me. But I'm misrepresenting what now??Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
You think we got info from social media influencers?? LMAO Oh no, back when we were looking at all this stuff anything like that had been censored off pretty much all SM platforms. I did find non-US mainstream media to be more reliable but of course everything is biased. I definitely looked at stuff that I'm sure you would not bother with, but often come to the conclusion that it was complete nonsense. You just had to read whatever you came across and use your best judgement. What was congruent with the experts in their fields and such. Often you'd come across some interesting info in a story but then the author came to a biased and unwarranted conclusion, but the data presented still had merit. I did my best to fact check stuff whenever possible. I even did my own analysis of the vaccine effectiveness based on UK data when it was first available. I'm friends with a doctor who oversaw Covid patients in a local hospital that I got direct feedback from. I had up to date mortality, hospitalization, infection data available on browser tabs to corroborate stuff. I really found the scope of the deception fascinating. I do still have a few things. Wanna see the trial results that warranted emergency use of the vaccine?
You seemed to suggest that there was a reasonable chance that somehow the influence of big pharma is preventing these studies from existing. That isn't the same as saying there is no influence. Sure there is likely some sort of influence somewhere, but so?
Clearly you spent far far more time on the subject than I have but that doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the basis of how I form my beliefs. There appeared to be many indepth academic/research papers that said there was no increase in post-vaccine deaths. If you want me to pick some and you want to tell me how they're wrong then I will do so.
It is hard for you to not take this personal as you have clearly spent a lot of time on investigating it. I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about but the system I use to form the basis of beliefs is disagreeing with you and it won't be changed anytime soon.
If these journal articles/paper are wrong then it should be demonstratable by you. That would suggest a cover-up far beyond the simple msm needs to kiss big-pharma ass. (Which is true). It suggests something much more darker and a conspiracy that is across academia and institutions all so that a few public companies can maximize profits. I still maintain academics are not into life for money so this idea that everyone is corrupted has never agreed with me.
What were her issues in particular? What was she being forced to do that made her quit?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogScience is wonderful and should be trusted, but the problem is concerning Covid, it seems to rarely be applied. My cousin was a biochemist at a large university and quit her job over the lack of such application.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
I've had elderly relatives contract shingles, and witnessed their suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
It's painful, but manageable, depending on where on the body the outbreak occurs.
One unfortunate 80+ in-law had the outbreak on his face, and was suicidal due to the pain...he begged to be euthanized, and ended up losing sight in one eye.
But shingles is essentially adult chicken pox, symptoms are temporary, and complications rarely life-threatening.
Most of us probably can't remember having chicken pox, but if you've had kids, and seen a full-blown outbreak, it's pretty shocking, but nowhere close to being as bad as it looks.
But that's for kids, not the elderly. For the elderly, it's worse than it looks.
You get shingles in the optical nerve and it can be really bad shit. Thank god for modern anti-virals.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyI've had elderly relatives contract shingles, and witnessed their suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
It's painful, but manageable, depending on where on the body the outbreak occurs.
One unfortunate 80+ in-law had the outbreak on his face, and was suicidal due to the pain...he begged to be euthanized, and ended up losing sight in one eye.
But shingles is essentially adult chicken pox, symptoms are temporary, and complications rarely life-threatening.
Most of us probably can't remember having chicken pox, but if you've had kids, and seen a full-blown outbreak, it's pretty shocking, but nowhere close to being as bad as it looks.
But that's for kids, not the elderly. For the elderly, it's worse than it looks.
MisterV - Singer is a proven idiot. Why do you even respond to him? That basically just demonstrates you're also an idiot.
Please provide a link to what you are referencing. But be warned as long as it's not excessively technical I will read it in it's entirety.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I think it was mainly the lockdown measures (more of how they affected her kids) but I think once there was even talk of mandating the vaccines, she was done.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I'm an "idiot," you say?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Harummph...
I'm just saying you can do better. Responding to Singer as if he is relevant in life outside of trolling kewl is the move of a loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVI'm an "idiot," you say?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Harummph...
I retract the idiot statement.
There are many papers. I'm not sure what you claim. Do you say that not counting the benefits from catching COVID outcomes + side-effects < neutral outcome OR are you saying that the side-effect deaths were very substantial? There are tons of papers supporting the former. I can't find anything that tries to specifically extract the extra death rate from side-effects. There might be a serious issue with the data at that point for various reasons. I don't know but everything addresses COVID outcomes post shot/infection was better outcome than prior to the shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogPlease provide a link to what you are referencing. But be warned as long as it's not excessively technical I will read it in it's entirety.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I think it was mainly the lockdown measures (more of how they affected her kids) but I think once there was even talk of mandating the vaccines, she was done.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I can't find a paper either way that tries to extra the death rate. Literally given how it all works, I can't imagine them extracting cause of death AND vaccine status accurately from anything. Self-reporting stuff I am so not trusting to report accurate anything. So what does that leave? It leaves all the numerous studies.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34055843/ I can find others. But the problem with this is it comes from the government likely. The list of papers just goes on. At least half a dozen if not signficantly more and I find nothing in my searches about how the death rate shot up. I don't get your graph or what it is about. It seems like someone somewhere would have written a paper - EVEN if rejected from journals laying this out. Something ... that explains the methodolgy and how they determined this excess death.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34055843/ is useful because they seem to actually have data on how people died contrary to what I suspect. I don't know. I'm not digging into it. I've spent more than enough time. I should have just dumped all the papers in here but after reading many abstracts and such nothing has changed my opinion.
So just find something that seems respectable and not tied into some social media/website pusher person. I doubt I will respond further unless you dispute the above link outside of it being government funded OR just show me one of these papers I ask for ...
Maybe I need to put conspiratorial language into these AI systems to see if they can find me something but nah ... I've spent far too much time on this.
Glad I'm not a scared, weak, stupid piece of shit so i never fell for the covid bulls-shits, and am proudly in-vaxxed, hey hey.
https://youtu.be/OaQUHrhD2Ig
Ain't it great that tax-payer are gonna be on the hook for settlements pays-outs since these drug company receive indemnity from government, hey hey????
https://youtu.be/7YGiyTa4s7w
I hope that all of you weak, cowardly, scared stupid little bitches line up for your birds-flu vaccine, coming soon, hey hey!!!!
https://youtu.be/Y1mCsSAipwM
Why don’t you just keep your children from polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, small pox, and other vaccines.
Don’t let your daughter get the hpv vaccine.
Never get a tetanus shot.
Don’t ever take antibiotics.
Why stop there - be a Christian Scientist and avoid all medical treatments.
At the end of the day either you’re a Modern Man or you may go back to living in the Dark Ages.
Bbbwwwaaahhhh, I figure that some of you must be on yer tenth booster shot by now, hey hey!!!!
https://youtu.be/5LrI560-LuQ
There need to be serious repercussion for all those who pushed the covid bulls-shits, simple and plain, hey hey!!!!
https://youtu.be/kKu3mxnNYM8
So what you see above is standard. "redacted news" is the last one. The guy doesn't actually have a link to the study he discusses (LOL) but he is reporting on his interpretation of it. Same ol shit. Track it down and yes it confirms there are dangerous side-effects that happen in some portion of the population. Which is not something I ever said otherwise AFAIK. No one worth listening to this disagrees or disputes this.
Soxfan has been called out on lies before and ever has an answer. A definite fool, hey hey hey.
Research in a post-world uneducated world will just be googling youtube headlines and posting links. This is the new normal.
I think soxfan needs to concentrate on avoiding the antiobiotics when prescribed. I heard they'll take over your brain and make you impotent at the same time. hey hey hey. I will go find youtube links later. hey hey heyQuote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
So, little bitch, how many booster shots have you had, hey hey?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI think soxfan needs to concentrate on avoiding the antiobiotics when prescribed. I heard they'll take over your brain and make you impotent at the same time. hey hey hey. I will go find youtube links later. hey hey heyQuote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
2 ? They're not that scary, I promise you. You don't need to be that scared of it. hey hey heyQuote:
Originally Posted by soxfanSo, little bitch, how many booster shots have you had, hey hey?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionI think soxfan needs to concentrate on avoiding the antiobiotics when prescribed. I heard they'll take over your brain and make you impotent at the same time. hey hey hey. I will go find youtube links later. hey hey heyQuote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Read the papers and get off youtube like every other jerkoff in the internet age. hey hey hey
I was far more worried about long-covid. hey hey hey
Seriously bro, it is the antibiotics where they get ya.
Just continue to wet yerself in fear, like a little bitch 24-7 over that big bad climate change, hey hey!Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion2 ? They're not that scary, I promise you. You don't need to be that scared of it. hey hey heyQuote:
Originally Posted by soxfanSo, little bitch, how many booster shots have you had, hey hey?Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Read the papers and get off youtube like every other jerkoff in the internet age. hey hey hey
I was far more worried about long-covid. hey hey hey
Seriously bro, it is the antibiotics where they get ya.
Yup, those covid vaccine are perfectly safe and only the conspiracies theorist would claim other wise, hey hey!!!!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024...
British applications for alleged harm caused by Covid vaccines
Payments awarded so far for:
Stroke
Heart attack
Dangerous blood clots
VITT
Inflammation of the spinal cord
Excessive swelling of vaccinated limb
Facial paralysis
(Around 97% of claims paid so far are for AstraZeneca)
https://youtu.be/v4TbWKDC1ZI
What do you mean not scared?Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Hey hey...You sound like you are scared of the vaccine, right?
I'm not scared of any of that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Swelling? LOL...Hey hey...Man up you fucking sissy.
Again, not how it works. Interpreting numbers and understanding people which leads you know some real grim outcomes are coming does not mean you fear it. I see rightwing guys claim this while they're being simultaneously triggered in the same comment. I only comment to show you guys how fucked you are and to keep you from swimming in your little safe-land bed of bullshit. I don't need it. Thats all you buddy. lol hey heyQuote:
Originally Posted by soxfanJust continue to wet yerself in fear, like a little bitch 24-7 over that big bad climate change, hey hey!Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion2 ? They're not that scary, I promise you. You don't need to be that scared of it. hey hey heyQuote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Read the papers and get off youtube like every other jerkoff in the internet age. hey hey hey
I was far more worried about long-covid. hey hey hey
Seriously bro, it is the antibiotics where they get ya.
I know a guy. Real tough guy. Went to a house party where a black guy told the story of having the shit beat out of him and not realizing it until the next day in the mirror. (tough guy gave beating ) Heard about sOmeone pushed by the neck against the wall with a gun pointed at them by tough guy. Ignored state regulations of his bar. Shuttered the windows with boards after hours to keep serving when it suited him. His son said he'd grab a ratsnake. FUck that. anyway, a real tough guy. I really believe that. He wasn't scared of COVID either but goddam did he seem to change after having it. Always leaning on the bar. Not moving around much. People commented on how he'd changed.
But at least he wasn't skared !!!! lol
You guys should quit jerking off to youtube. There are porn sites for that. Did yall not know that?
Lots of retards without medical degrees opining about medicine. Hey Hey.
Johnny's in the basement, mixin' up the medicineQuote:
Originally Posted by jdaewoo
I'm on the pavement, thinkin' about the government
The man in a trench coat, badge out, laid off
Says he's got a bad cough, wants to get it paid off
Look out kid, it's somethin' you did
God knows when, but you're doin' it again
You better duck down the alleyway, looking for a new friend
The man in the coon-skin cap in a pig pen
Wants 11 dollar bills – you only got 10
Look out kid, don't matter what you did
Walk on your tip toes, don’t tie no bows
Better stay away from those that carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose, watch the plainclothes
You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows
Gee coach, did you know you were a poet?
Your feet show it.
They're long fellows.
This is what you get when people pay zero attention to staying healthy, eating properly, and exercizing regularly throughout their pathetic lives. And in some extreme cases like AQ's, he piles it on himself by worrying his ass to death over meaningless climate change, running out to get every vaccine, and taking ED pills so he can jerk off to pictures of Chelsea Clinton.
My wife and I haven't been sick in over a decade, we travel around & go out to more restaurants/casinos/shows than all of you stiffs combined, and getting vaccines of any kind is as valuable to us as a handful of pesos. The simple reason? BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT TAKING CARE OF OUR BODIES WITH MINIMAL MEDICATIONS!
Common sense almost always wins out. Talk to the Trump campaign Wed. morning.
Just wondering, Robert: you being so anti-vax and all: how many vaccines have you had during your life time?
Polio, I hope?
Smallpox too?
Jerk off to Chelsea Clinton. I actually googled up a picture of her. She can be head-shotted up to look decent but any candid pic is meh. lol. Maybe tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
I'm actually glad to see that when the stars align Singer can pull it together enough to make one original joke.
I'm also glad he can post something not involving his obsession KewlJ. He was obsessed with Kewl longer than Kewl counted in LV. Sometimes I think Singer is truly sad because Kewl despises Mdawg considerably more these days. Winter is settling in and that trek out to the camper isn't so great. Lets all be nice to him. It must all be quite depressing for him.
By Wednesday Morning Trump will be planning his escape. Probably to Russia or Hungary. Hungary would have been good for his illegal immigrant wife, as she is from neighboring Slovenia. BUT, She won't be going with him. She worked hard to get her whole family over here and citizenship by "chain immigration", something Donald Trump frequently rails against. And yet Melania's parents and sister not only did it, but did it while Donald was president, in 2018. Funny, the MAGA crowd doesn't talk about that. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Anyway, when Donald is hiding out in some authoritarian country, Melania and her family (mother has passed) will be living it up in Mar-a-lago. I am sure she will miss him dearly. Ha! :D
She was a prostitute and illegal AFAIK. Unlike you - who is legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJBy Wednesday Morning Trump will be planning his escape. Probably to Russia or Hungary. Hungary would have been good for his illegal immigrant wife, as she is from neighboring Slovenia. BUT, She won't be going with him. She worked hard to get her whole family over here and citizenship by "chain immigration", something Donald Trump frequently rails against. And yet Melania's parents and sister not only did it, but did it while Donald was president, in 2018. Funny, the MAGA crowd doesn't talk about that. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Anyway, when Donald is hiding out in some authoritarian country, Melania and her family (mother has passed) will be living it up in Mar-a-lago. I am sure she will miss him dearly. Ha! :D
Both of your links go to the same study?? Did you happen to notice the date of this study? It's based on VAERS data extracted between 12/11/20-1/8/21, this was way before mass-scale vaccine rollout. They found 55 deaths in VAERS. The last time I looked at the VAERS data was probably somewhere around late 2021 and there were already 30,000 deaths related to the Covid vaccine. Keep in mind VAERS is voluntarily reported so definitely under-reported.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I'm disappointed :(
One big problem with determining vaccine deaths is there can be a huge lag between vaccine intake and death. The cardiological issues seem to present more early on but later immunosuppression can lead to cancer which can take a long time to kill you. If you die of cancer a year or more later, this will almost surely not get pinned on the vax. This is why the excess deaths data is of a lot of value in determining there is some kind of a problem.
You can't be this stupid. They sure did a good job of convincing you that the mRNA Covid shots are just like any other traditional vaccine. They are not. Disappointing to learn that both of our resident attorneys seem to be sheep when it comes to injecting stuff into their bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
I don't believe this thread on vaccine conspiracy theories. Anyone who wants to believe vaccines and advances in medicine are bad...go for it. Join the Amish in shunning medicine and believing in 'God's will".
Americans live to be 85, 90 100 years old routinely now. We can debate whether that is good or bad (not so good with poor quality of life and can't remember anything or know who you are). BUT there is no debate this longer lifespan is because of modern advances in medicine and that includes preventive medicine like vaccines and flu shots, ect.
You either believe and embrace the advances in science and medicine, or you plow your fields with a horse, die in your 5t0's and 60's and lose a few kids in their childhood. Your call.
It is the only study I found that tried to separate the deaths from the vaccine side-effects directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogBoth of your links go to the same study?? Did you happen to notice the date of this study? It's based on VAERS data extracted between 12/11/20-1/8/21, this was way before mass-scale vaccine rollout. They found 55 deaths in VAERS. The last time I looked at the VAERS data was probably somewhere around late 2021 and there were already 30,000 deaths related to the Covid vaccine. Keep in mind VAERS is voluntarily reported so definitely under-reported.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I'm disappointed :(
One big problem with determining vaccine deaths is there can be a huge lag between vaccine intake and death. The cardiological issues seem to present more early on but later immunosuppression can lead to cancer which can take a long time to kill you. If you die of cancer a year or more later, this will almost surely not get pinned on the vax. This is why the excess deaths data is of a lot of value in determining there is some kind of a problem.
I'm not sure if you believe that the overall effect is bad when including the vaccine positives and negatives? I can find plenty of studies doing that. I can't find ones that try to figure out the deaths caused by the vaccine. Or something that shows a large amount of deaths.
If there are excessive deaths from vaccine then there should be studies demonstrating this. There are not. I've looked too much already. I can find ones that show that the overall effect of the vaccines is a positive but I'm not if you disagree with that?
Both links went to the same study because I had spent too much fucking time on this shit and wasn't in the mood to copy/paste the title and just repasted the URL twice.
Unlike the youtube crew, I actually read the conclusion/abstracts and tried to find something to address your belief. Too much time. You've done all this studying but can't come up with one legitimate study by a non-influencer type that shows the deathrate increasing in some statistically meaningful way due to the vaccine. Sorry but that is the reality of this. I would think the burden of proof should be more on your side given that your claim is the more outlandish one.
I have little problem believing that the trial outcomes weren't covered up. There was so much disinformation going on and bad math. Everyone is stuck between a rock and a hard place. The youtube videos are prime examples of click-bait/manipulative takeways of data.
My basic belief is vaxes should have never been forced on anyone but if a hospital wants to deny treatment for people who didn't get the vax and have covid - then they should have the right to do that in a free society. That was my main issue with the vaccine - is that it overloaded the healthcare industry. I am greedy and want it functional for myself. I'd be ok if these anti-vax people would just sit at home and ride it out but many of them are going to go to the hospital when they're dying and take up a bed. Often costs being passed onto others. Stay home for the vax, stay home from the hospital. That was my view at the time. Maximize freedom to everyone.
One other thing. I remember during covid a number of these right wing media influencer who railed against vaccines and that covid was anything more than the flu. Fast forward a month and you saw several in the hospital literally on their deathbed (because they died shortly after) saying they were wrong.
And while the republicans were minimizing covid and railing against vaccines, who was first in line to get theirs....Good old Donald J Trump. (do as I say, not as I do)
Speaking of good old DJT, I can guarantee the guy who "ended abortion" and is proud of it, paid for a number of abortions for women he screwed. Do as I say, not as I do. :cool:
I watched a full speech of Trump today. It is remarkable how much BLM is like this immigrant talk. Bad math. Like a handful of cops are malicious pieces of shit who get off on their authority - that is the minority of them. Just like immigrants - most are here to work hard and have a decent life. There is some amount of them who are horrible people who need to be hung. Just like the cops.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Both sides dehumanize all cops and immigrants. Full of individual examples but if you look at the math overall - the claims of both sides are wrong. It is the same shit. Just manipulative bullshit coming from puppetmasters of left and right. Same thought processes.
Hey I'm all for any advance that has gone through a full FDA approval process with plenty of safety data to back it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Actually US life expectancy dropped quite a bit and still has not recovered to pre-Covid expectancy as of yet. Stick to talking about counting cards, you're out of your element Donnie.
That would have been nice. In an ideal situation. Sure. There wasn't that luxury with this emergency health situation. You do the best you can. And that is what I believe they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdog
here is my conspiracy theory and it is minor compared to what I have read in this thread. I believe that the government in conjunction with scientists and doctors, may have suspected that covid wasn't as severe a risk to completely healthy adults. BUT in order to protect older people, people with underlying health problems and children who were more at risk, they made these rules and mandates and shutdowns for everyone. I mean if they left it up to everyone to do the right thing people are so selfish they wouldn't have, even at risk of their own loved ones.
I have no problem with the way everything went down, nor my choices to protect myself and continue to protect myself with vaccines.
LOL! That's exactly what this is.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
The dark brown line is the projected deaths based on 5 years prior to Covid and then adjusted for population and/or other factors. The light brown line is the actual deaths. Both lines have Covid deaths removed to keep it apples to apples. The green vertical line is approx when the vaccines are introduced at mass scale. After that you see the actual deaths just peel away from the projected deaths.
You're asking me to produce a study that doesn't exist AFAIK. Sorry I can't manifest one, but this graph should be more than enough to at least raise a red flag for you... and a BIG one!
It isn't even about policies right now. I voted for Harris and I am pretty sure I disagree with more things than agree with, with her and the democrats. Trump is a crazy person and not fit to be president. End of story. Just the same as back in early July it became apparent Joe Biden was not fit to be president.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I mean you gotta start with people that are sane and fit (includuing mentally) and haven't forgotten who or where they are in the case of Biden. then we can talk about what they want to accomplish.
It is an image. I want the actual study and methodology that produced this. It is also produced by an influencer. See the branding in the upper-right? It is even copy-righted. Someone is looking for $$ from it first and foremost.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogLOL! That's exactly what this is.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
The dark brown line is the projected deaths based on 5 years prior to Covid and then adjusted for population and/or other factors. The light brown line is the actual deaths. Both lines have Covid deaths removed to keep it apples to apples. The green vertical line is approx when the vaccines are introduced at mass scale. After that you see the actual deaths just peel away from the projected deaths.
You're asking me to produce a study that doesn't exist AFAIK. Sorry I can't manifest one, but this graph should be more than enough to at least raise a red flag for you... and a BIG one!
The flag was raised and I looked around ..
If this is legitimate, the guy who created it will explain exactly how he arrived at this and the actual numbers and all that. He would have tried to put it in a paper and have it published. Thats how science works. People share ideas and try to get theirs out there. This is meant to convince people of a beief but not trying to expand any sort of understanding.
I wholeheartedly agree. But why aren't there any? We saw a substantial increase in deathrates across the world, yet there appears to be not much concern about it. I remain confident the truth will come to light eventually though.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
The data is just too hard to find for researchers. If like everyone was truthful and everything recorded then we could know.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogI wholeheartedly agree. But why aren't there any? We saw a substantial increase in deathrates across the world, yet there appears to be not much concern about it. I remain confident the truth will come to light eventually though.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
There is also the issue that long covid has also caused issues and some of them are very likely to have pushed people over the brink to death. How is any of this separated out? It could be a vaccine, it could be the lingering inflammation from the illness.
All he did was compile data (add up numbers every week) from government sources. It's not rocket science. He gives the sources right there. MMWR is the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report data that's available on the CDC website. And I think you'll find people who voluntarily do this kind of work to be quite detail oriented. I'd be willing to bet this stuff is spot on. I doubt he's a scientist that would be able to publish a paper, it's just an expression of data in graph form.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Like I said I had no trouble believing this because there is also data from many other countries showing similar trends, it wasn't just here.
That's a good point. Because vaccine side effects and Covid symptoms are pretty similar. However long Covid was something that seemed to be more associated with the early variants, I don't remember hearing much about it later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Yes, it seems to be that the current COVIDs do less to cause long covid and also we have vaccines and medicine to treat active infections which are very effective. Long-covid could contribute to a person's death years later from everything I know but no one can know this. Science has limitations of all sorts. Much of these limitations led to somewhat poor advice at times. I see too much conspiracy talk though in a general sense. It clouds to much criticism of the vax response.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogThat's a good point. Because vaccine side effects and Covid symptoms are pretty similar. However long Covid was something that seemed to be more associated with the early variants, I don't remember hearing much about it later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
That was always my concern, long covid. That is still my opinion. I'll take vax risk over risk of long covid without the vax. oh well..
Even where Covid is right now?? Nah, I'll let my immune system handle it. I don't think we have enough experience monkeying around with genetic code just yet. But I generally have no issue with other more proven traditional vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Another big problem with vaxxing for any type of coronavirus is trying to stay ahead of the mutations. They mutate fast and it will always be hard to keep up, so you'll have to get boosters often and many times with limited effect. At the end of the day it comes off as a good business model to me. Vaccines are the one pharmaceutical you can even sell to healthy people. But this is only my opinion of course ;)
No they didn't suspect. They KNEW this! The data said this from the very beginning. Except no group of children were ever at high risk, don't know where you got that idea. Oh wait... probably from the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
They hoped to try to slow it down, or at least give the impression that there was something people could do to slow it down. Of course keeping 80% of the workforce at home had to have accomplished this to some degree. But no, we never even came close to taking the extreme steps required to actually protect the elderly. My biggest criticism of our Covid response was that we did not do more to protect the most vulnerable.
I guess my verb tenses were wrong. I still would have taken the vax .. I got the 3rd shot aka booster but don't plan on getting one again until something serious changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogEven where Covid is right now?? Nah, I'll let my immune system handle it. I don't think we have enough experience monkeying around with genetic code just yet. But I generally have no issue with other more proven traditional vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Another big problem with vaxxing for any type of coronavirus is trying to stay ahead of the mutations. They mutate fast and it will always be hard to keep up, so you'll have to get boosters often and many times with limited effect. At the end of the day it comes off as a good business model to me. Vaccines are the one pharmaceutical you can even sell to healthy people. But this is only my opinion of course ;)
You're clearly not wrong that pharma companies want to sell vaccines and anything else they produce. That is a big part of capitalism - talking people into buying things they don't need.
If the clinical trials show bad effects and they release this data and then every social media influencer trying to gain clout will have purposefully misconstrue the results in the best way they can think up. I can't particularly blame the vax companies for a "cover-up" unless they covered up something really bad.
This is why disinfo is pushed by parties outside the US. It just fucks with everything. Hurricane responses and such. Everything.
My biggest issue was the PPP money just blanket given out and it was just kinda random whether it was needed or not. Case in point - buddy was a mechanic. They never shut down the place. The employees just avoided each other and didn't eat close together. Seemed to work just fine and the owners got a huge fat financial freeroll. They're not near enough wealthy to need a wealth tax but these were the types of people just buying assets elsewhere.
I've come to the conclusion that the trials were just a smoke and mirrors show, I think they already knew they could keep people out of the hospitals with Covid. If you look at the results page I posted, the sample size was obviously way too small. You don't need a degree to see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
What's amazing to me is how badly they botched even producing an illusion of a valid study and IIRC there were a couple whistleblowers. I remember when they initially started releasing the trials results through the media, the number of people who died in the study overall was multiples lower than the number who would normally die in that time period just from natural causes in the general population. Of course this was already red flag number two for me because I could never stomach the idea of using a brand new non-FDA approved technology for the vax. So when they were available I opted for the non-mRNA J&J vax. But within just several months problems with the vaxxes started to come to light.
But yeah they covered up some really bad things, they dismissed people from the trials that more or less had any kind of side effects, hence the very low death rate in the study. I'd say that constitutes fraud, but again that's just my opinion.
Will this be the post-election landscape of America?
Stay tuned boys and girls and watch as the whacky madness unfolds around us.
Just...wow...
Because bringing a random man into your house to live is analogous to someone being an immigrant? Weird take.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
That was really funny but not sure the point. Anyone who's ever lived in Texas or California should know those state's economies would immediately collapse without all the cheap immigrant labor. It would cost $300 just to get someone to mow your lawn because GenZ Americans wouldn't do it for less than 50/hr, if at all. At least half of the restaurants would close, then a hamburger would be $50. New construction would triple and if you needed a new roof on your house then you'd be making a trip to Home Depot and have to get your ass up there with a hammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I mean we can't just let anyone who wants in, I get that. But there has to be a balance for decent people who want to work.
I noticed in this video that one lady said "So find them a home !!", so she was fine with immigrants living at someone's home - just not hers. Another couple didn't even want them sleeping on their lawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionBecause bringing a random man into your house to live is analogous to someone being an immigrant? Weird take.Quote:
Originally Posted by tableplay
Here is nice article that summarizes it all (former President Obama's good friend NBA pro Steph Curry is featured in the article):
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...using-atherton
At this point, there is an adequate cheap labor supply . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogThat was really funny but not sure the point. Anyone who's ever lived in Texas or California should know those state's economies would immediately collapse without all the cheap immigrant labor. It would cost $300 just to get someone to mow your lawn because GenZ Americans wouldn't do it for less than 50/hr, if at all. At least half of the restaurants would close, then a hamburger would be $50. New construction would triple and if you needed a new roof on your house then you'd be making a trip to Home Depot and have to get your ass up there with a hammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
I mean we can't just let anyone who wants in, I get that. But there has to be a balance for decent people who want to work.
Hello, Statue of Liberty?
Are those tears?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
There are four times as many people in the US now as compared to when the Statue of Liberty was born.
Old Wise Jungle Saying: At some point, if you don't admit the lifeboat is full, everybody drowns.
Hey V---tell us how you and all those loser libtards up there feel NOW!!
And to kew the very confused hater: Hahahahahahahaha! :)
Trump Won!
LUL...
SUCK IT!
Mrs. V literally went on some stupid rant about how the Liberals are the Party of Change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Yeah... change boys into girls and changing the restrooms.
They are the party of change; republicans want to stick to the old ways.
Seems clear to me.
Rob, I've no idea how Portlanders are taking it as I've not asked, nor cared to ask: like I said before I didn't vote for Harris.
What "old way" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
It's thinking like that that's won this for Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
You HATE Trump...as does nearly everyone up there. That says it all.
It's pure gold watching the meltdowns on anti-Trump CNN and MSNBC. And in 10 weeks we're sending that arrogant, cackling, lying, dumbass big-mouth back to California where she belongs.
YOU'RE FIRED, BITCH!
This woke nonsense got a serious wake-up call tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by monetMrs. V literally went on some stupid rant about how the Liberals are the Party of Change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Yeah... change boys into girls and changing the restrooms.
By the way V....and all you Trump haters: HOW MUCH DO YOU LOVE HOW THE AMERICAN PROPLE WIPED THAT OBNOXIOUS SMILE OFF HARRIS' FACE TONIGHT!!
I'm pretty sure she knew she was going to lose when nobody chanted with her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Pretty Funny lol...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlUcW5HFYew
The election makes no difference to me but it's great entertainment watching the MSM meltdown over a Trump Victory.
LOL starting at 1:21...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4x8H-Dkzn4
The election coverage had the same smell as the Covid-19 shot coverage.
In the US, there's this perspective that's at odds with the rest of the world, where they took real money on the election. BetOnline was taking action at five digits a whack yesterday. They were inviting six. Meanwhile, for days, every major US news network failed to mention that Trump was -160 to -180 offshore. They went with "Trump Campaign in Trouble" headlines.
In the US: Media Bullshit. Everywhere else: Reality Coverage.
Same with Covid-19 and boosters. In the US (except Idaho): "Get Your New Shots. Bundle Them with Flu."
Rest of the World: "Maybe, if you're over 60. Or Not. They Seem to Not Really Do Much."
Places in Idaho have banned the boosters. This should be fun. Pharma will have to prove current effectiveness to overthrow the legal ban. Not gonna happen.
Obviously, the people at MSNBC and CNN knew what the real odds were. This whole "Kamala's gonna win" was acting-class stuff. That's what bothers me. Major news networks shilling for US candidates by misrepresenting the true, readily available, probabilities. Then getting all teary-eyed when the US public "disappoints" them. Van Jones should take a few acting classes or learn to do actual research.
The yarn now is that the misogynistic US public "failed" their civic duty. The storylines these networks push are ridiculous. CNN and MSNBC should be left to die their pitiful deaths.
No matter who won, the Kewl-Groomer will remainand his dunce of a sidekick V, to quote what UNKewlJ said about him,Quote:
Originally Posted by soxfan
Quote:
Originally Posted by KewlJ