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Trump would have won the popular vote in 16 if we didn't have the E.C.
I basically agree with what you said with the minor exception that sometimes EC voters have to vote with the state's popular vote. It depends on the state, but some states have laws against Faithless Electors conferring upon the state the ability to discard that elector and replace him or her with a different one who will vote in accordance with the popular vote of the state.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Specifically, three different electors (total) were replaced in 2016 because they did not wish to vote for Clinton. These electors were from Maine, Colorado and Minnesota. Also, one elector resigned rather than vote for Trump...I want to say Georgia, but that could be wrong and I don't feel like looking it up because I haven't had enough coffee yet.
As a practical matter the electors always vote as expected, just rarely, they do not.
How? Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by quahaug
T won the 2016 election due to 77,744 votes across three states PA, MI and WI. These states were blue 1992 - 2012. These 77K votes decided the election by giving their 46 red electoral votes to T. C ended with 230 / T with 306 and it takes 270 to win.
State Electoral Trump Clinton Difference
PA ---------20 2970733 2926441 44292
MI ---------16 2279543 2268839 10704
WI ---------10 1405284 1382536 22748
T lost the popular vote by 2,864,974 votes.
I think I know where he is going although it becomes a see-saw hypothesis.
NYS has a lot of red voters who don't bother going because their votes never matter as the state always goes blue. Ditto Cali.
Therefore if it was just popular vote then he surmises the absent voters who are red in historically blue states would vote throwing trump the win.
The problem with that hypothesis (the see-saw effect for lack of a better term) is such a popular vote would have the same effect on Blue voters in predominantly Red States that would also be similarly disposed to turn out the vote.
In effect there maybe a nullifying effect to his theory. Something that is somewhat moot since if we ever change the EC it won't be during Trump's presidency
You may as well get used to the electoral college. It will never be abolished. It takes a two-thirds vote by both the house and the senate. States with smaller populations just will not give up the power. The other way is two-thirds of statehouses. It will never hapen that way either for the same reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Assuming what you mentioned is quahaug's theory - still, nearly three million votes are statistically quite difficult to overcome just by voter turnout. Which I believe you are agreeing that it would be very hard to even out no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Looking back, numbers only (don't have time to run % wise against US Pop at the time), looks like the highest winners were Nixon v. McGovern, 1972, almost 18M ahead by popular vote, Reagan v. Mondale, 1984, about 17M, and Johnson v. Goldwater, 1964, about 16M.
BUT looking at times popular vote did not decide the election, the 2016 almost -3M votes against Trump were the highest ever by an exponential factor...highest others were G W Bush v. Gore, 2000, about -500K, Hayes v. Tilden, 1876, about -250K. That's really lopsided losing by three million votes and being elected.
Bill Clinton won the Presidency with just 41% of the popular vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgAssuming what you mentioned is quahaug's theory - still, nearly three million votes are statistically quite difficult to overcome just by voter turnout. Which I believe you are agreeing that it would be very hard to even out no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Looking back, numbers only (don't have time to run % wise against US Pop at the time), looks like the highest winners were Nixon v. McGovern, 1972, almost 18M ahead by popular vote, Reagan v. Mondale, 1984, about 17M, and Johnson v. Goldwater, 1964, about 16M.
BUT looking at times popular vote did not decide the election, the 2016 almost -3M votes against Trump were the highest ever by an exponential factor...highest others were G W Bush v. Gore, 2000, about -500K, Hayes v. Tilden, 1876, about -250K. That's really lopsided losing by three million votes and being elected.
Newly reinstated KJ is making himself useful over at WoV by teaching the pro gamblers how to suck off the government tit.
Nothing wrong with AP'ing the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Hayes v. Tilden was probably quite lopsided voter population relative, safe theory, but I don't feel like figuring out the specific effective percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgAssuming what you mentioned is quahaug's theory - still, nearly three million votes are statistically quite difficult to overcome just by voter turnout. Which I believe you are agreeing that it would be very hard to even out no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Looking back, numbers only (don't have time to run % wise against US Pop at the time), looks like the highest winners were Nixon v. McGovern, 1972, almost 18M ahead by popular vote, Reagan v. Mondale, 1984, about 17M, and Johnson v. Goldwater, 1964, about 16M.
BUT looking at times popular vote did not decide the election, the 2016 almost -3M votes against Trump were the highest ever by an exponential factor...highest others were G W Bush v. Gore, 2000, about -500K, Hayes v. Tilden, 1876, about -250K. That's really lopsided losing by three million votes and being elected.
The CARES act, which includes the expanded eligibility for self employed as well as the additional $600 a week unemployment through July, was crafted entirely by Mitch McConnel and republicans. If you remember the democrats were screaming that they weren't included in the drafting of the initial bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Pretty hypocritical for someone on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid to even have the balls to say anything about the "government tit". While I don't consider Social Security and Medicare, welfare programs, they are most certainly government socialist programs, one even having the word in the name. :rolleyes:
Medicaid IS a welfare program. And there is no doubt Mickey is or was on Medicaid, when he went through his heart attack and extended hospital stay. He can deny it if it makes him feel better, but there is a caseworker at the hospital, associated with the hospital that signs and helps sign anyone in Mickey's position, up for Medicaid.
So just shut up Mickey and stop judging everyone and being such a douche bag, you hypocrite.
Unless I am missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
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That is right jbjb.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbNothing wrong with AP'ing the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I shut down my play about a week before the official shutdown as I no longer felt comfortable in the casinos. I was prepared financially for that decision, as long as it took, as it is someone's responsibility, who is self employed to be.
I didn't ask for anything. The government created the CARES act, which is part stimulus bill. I qualified so I accepted. Just the same as there are very few people that said no thank you to the $1200 direct payment. Nobody asked for that. But no one refused it either.
If I didn't accept the stimulus payments, including unemployment that the government says as a tax paying citizen, I am entitled to, I would not only not be an AP, but would in fact be a fool.
MickeyCrimm rounded Down for effect and cause. Trump supporters and even those in his campaign, know that he has about 40-41% support. And those numbers aren't going anywhere....they have been solid for 2 years. So Trump "enthusiasts" are trying to come up with a scenario that he can still win. The closest example is the 1992 election where Clinton won with 43%, so mickey dumbed that down to 41%, because he knows that is where Trump is and is trying to say "see it can be done". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgUnless I am missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
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And THAT is what it is going to take for Trump to have a shot. A third party candidate that gets nearly 20%. The 1-2% that a couple third party candidates took in 2016 and most elections isn't going to come close to doing so. Trump needs a legitimate 3rd party candidate syphoning off 20%. The only real chance of that happening was Michael Bloomberg. Maybe Mark Cuban. These guys would have had the money to get on the ballots and instantly compete via television airtime. That time has passed now. There isn't even time for a legitimate 3rd party guy to get on the ballot in most states.
That leaves Trump trying to win with 40-41% of the vote and even against a bad, over the hill, candidate like Joe Biden, Trump has no chance. I said a while ago, I don't even think he will be running come fall. Sometime this summer, when poll after poll shows Trump down 10, 12 even more points, republican Senate and congressional candidates will all start backing away from him. They will try to run on their own records and never mention Trump. And if there are campaign rallies in our future, they will not want to be on stage with him. And then before a humiliating defeat, Trump will drop out, blaming everyone and anyone else. And while that will seem a dark day for the republican party as far as 2020, it will actually be the beginning of a new responsible conservative party.
They are not Government Socialist programs, despite being social in nature. If you wanted to call them anything, I would call them, "Forced investment programs," considering that they are specifically directed. Being self-employed and filing taxes, as you already know, you pay a Social Security Tax of 12.4% on your first $137,700 in annual earnings and then nothing after that, per year. That amount goes into the Social Security fund which represents a maximum of a hair over $17,000 coming out of your money annually. MickeyCrimm has already paid this for any years that he filed taxes and his SS payments (unless they are the minimum, which I assume not) are based on how much he paid into the thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThe CARES act, which includes the expanded eligibility for self employed as well as the additional $600 a week unemployment through July, was crafted entirely by Mitch McConnel and republicans. If you remember the democrats were screaming that they weren't included in the drafting of the initial bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Pretty hypocritical for someone on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid to even have the balls to say anything about the "government tit". While I don't consider Social Security and Medicare, welfare programs, they are most certainly government socialist programs, one even having the word in the name. :rolleyes:
Medicaid IS a welfare program. And there is no doubt Mickey is or was on Medicaid, when he went through his heart attack and extended hospital stay. He can deny it if it makes him feel better, but there is a caseworker at the hospital, associated with the hospital that signs and helps sign anyone in Mickey's position, up for Medicaid.
So just shut up Mickey and stop judging everyone and being such a douche bag, you hypocrite.
Medicare, similarly, is an employee funded and employer-matched contribution of 1.45%, on both sides, or 2.9%, if one is self-employed. I guess the thinking is some cost more than others and this amount is sufficient to make it all come out in the wash. IOW, it's something that MickeyCrimm has already paid into and is now availing himself of.
I hardly see the hypocrisy in taking back the money he has already put in, especially when you consider that he might not even get BACK everything he put in by the time he dies. Of course, people do tend to live longer these days...which is one of the big problems that these programs are having. Death was another means by which it was all supposed to, "Come out in the wash."
It would be like calling me a hypocrite if I got mugged at gunpoint, but when the muggers came and offered me some of my own money back, I accepted. It doesn't mean that I like getting mugged or support the muggers going around mugging people.
Similarly, KewlJ, you have stated that you have paid your taxes every year. Therefore, provided that is true, you are just as entitled to Unemployment compensation as anyone else would be as long as the applicable laws say that you qualify. I'd have thought, as self-employed, you'd have to pay into unemployment specifically, but I am not up on Nevada unemployment code so I really don't know.
In any event, neither of you are hypocrites on this one, far as I can tell.
I have, thus far, succeeded in refusing it...so not quite nobody. I might be a fool, but not quite as foolish as the Government with its spending.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Well, you will get no argument from me based on these circumstances. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
But let's clarify. I am guessing they didn't direct deposit the funds into your account and you sent it back (as I did with a second payment). So your situation was treasury had no deposit info on you and in order to get the payment you needed to go to the IRS site, click the provide payment information button (or whatever it was called) and submit your payment information. And you refused to do this on principal. Is that about right? If so please see my first line of this post again. :D
The % (43%) from 1992, matters but also what matters, is which got more votes! Clinton got almost six million more votes than Bush in 1992.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
It's inconceivable that someone could win with both LESS votes and only 41%.
These elections where the winner won with less votes, he got at least 46% of the popular. Plus the 2016, election was a serious anomaly, where, as noted above, about 77K votes across three states decided the election.
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You guys might want to keep that whole Ross Perot guy in mind if we're looking at either of those two years, but particularly 1992. That said, Trump was the least popular (favorability) rating Presidential candidate in recent history and already won once because he was going against the second-least favored candidate in Presidential history. In any case, it looks like he probably loses national popular vote again, but:Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
1.) We know that doesn't really matter.
AND:
2.) Because #1, as we all discussed earlier, it's tough to tell what the National Popular Vote would even be if that was the deciding metric.
Another thing is that third-party candidates underperformed the polling in 2016 while the two major-party candidates slight outperformed (both) most polls, so I wouldn't rely too much on the polling. It was almost as though some people were excited to vote third-party, but then went, "Pragmatic," when they actually got there. It's tough to make sense of this year's national polling, even compared to 2016, because, "OTHER," is doing well...but the national polls don't seem to be listing anyone by name, for the most part. I can't tell you where the, "OTHER," defectors are likely to break if I don't know who they mean in the first place. I know a lot of numbskulls are planning to write Sanders in.
To the second quoted paragraph, again, lots of people are saying, "OTHER," in the polling, but it would help to know who, "OTHER," is...I might need to check other sources. lol
Lots of the polls are also garbage because the sample sizing is terrible and then you have to consider the impact of where the sample comes from. Undecided/OTHER can range anywhere from 6-20%, so I think a lot of that has to do with either phrasing or maybe not putting specific options on the poll at all.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
One other thing you should be concerned about, if you want Trump to lose, is that the spectrum of All-Registered Voters-Likely Voters, seems to really tighten up when it comes to Biden's lead the further you get to the right of that spectrum. You can have all the national votes in the Polls from, "All," that you want to, but it's really not going to matter if the people doing it don't actually show up to vote.
We're also early enough in the cycle that the polls, in general, are just kind of trash anyway. I could go around door-to-door in counties that were super competitive in 2016 and get you better polls than this garbage...they're all (both sides) mainly just agenda pushing and cheerleading, at this point.
You're goddamn right the Government doesn't have my bank information. Principle*, and yes, basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWell, you will get no argument from me based on these circumstances. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
But let's clarify. I am guessing they didn't direct deposit the funds into your account and you sent it back (as I did with a second payment). So your situation was treasury had no deposit info on you and in order to get the payment you needed to go to the IRS site, click the provide payment information button (or whatever it was called) and submit your payment information. And you refused to do this on principal. Is that about right? If so please see my first line of this post again. :D
You know there are other options. You could have them mail a check or they have started offering debit cards (which are also mailed).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146You're goddamn right the Government doesn't have my bank information. Principle*, and yes, basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWell, you will get no argument from me based on these circumstances. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
But let's clarify. I am guessing they didn't direct deposit the funds into your account and you sent it back (as I did with a second payment). So your situation was treasury had no deposit info on you and in order to get the payment you needed to go to the IRS site, click the provide payment information button (or whatever it was called) and submit your payment information. And you refused to do this on principal. Is that about right? If so please see my first line of this post again. :D
But if it is principal and you don't want the money, power to you. I guess as a tax payer, I will say thank you.
You're welcome and I don't. If they find a way to all but make me take it, I'll donate it to some food-donation or blood-donation related cause. Probably food because the latter already gets plenty of my sweet, sweet, O- blood. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
If you gave the bank your SSN to open the account, the Government most assuredly does have or can easily get your account info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146You're goddamn right the Government doesn't have my bank information. Principle*, and yes, basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWell, you will get no argument from me based on these circumstances. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146
But let's clarify. I am guessing they didn't direct deposit the funds into your account and you sent it back (as I did with a second payment). So your situation was treasury had no deposit info on you and in order to get the payment you needed to go to the IRS site, click the provide payment information button (or whatever it was called) and submit your payment information. And you refused to do this on principal. Is that about right? If so please see my first line of this post again. :D
I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjb
I'm an idiot, in case you guys didn't know, the percentage is right there for me. Tilden won the popular vote by 3% nationwide compared to 0.5% for Gore and 2.1% for Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146Hayes v. Tilden was probably quite lopsided voter population relative, safe theory, but I don't feel like figuring out the specific effective percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgAssuming what you mentioned is quahaug's theory - still, nearly three million votes are statistically quite difficult to overcome just by voter turnout. Which I believe you are agreeing that it would be very hard to even out no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Looking back, numbers only (don't have time to run % wise against US Pop at the time), looks like the highest winners were Nixon v. McGovern, 1972, almost 18M ahead by popular vote, Reagan v. Mondale, 1984, about 17M, and Johnson v. Goldwater, 1964, about 16M.
BUT looking at times popular vote did not decide the election, the 2016 almost -3M votes against Trump were the highest ever by an exponential factor...highest others were G W Bush v. Gore, 2000, about -500K, Hayes v. Tilden, 1876, about -250K. That's really lopsided losing by three million votes and being elected.
So, when it comes to percentage, Tilden/Hayes was the biggest disparity of the three. Of course, it was also the closest in Electoral Votes with Hayes winning by only one. Perhaps most wild is the fact that all Electoral Voters remained faithful.
It looks like Tilden really ran up the score in the mid-South and Missouri whereas Hayes won only three states with more than 60% of the vote and none of the three represented a ton of voters.
You are not helping by not collecting the money.
If you really wanted to help someone or make a difference this is the best way...
You collect all the money offered by the Government which is just a Tax Rebate if you have paid taxes in your lifetime.
Even if you haven't paid the IRS you still have paid plenty of taxes and or hidden fees/taxes.
Anyways... collect everything and take that money over to the homeless or your choice of person(s) struggling.
You either give them the money directly or bring them food and or pay their bills.
It is better for you to help someone directly, person to person or hand to hand rather than trust the Government or some Charity.
However, that is most likely too much leg work for those that claim they are helping.
The money is going to go to somewhere if you do not collect it and most likely to someone who doesn't need it, so if you don't collect, you are actually doing less good.
That is to say compared to collecting every dollar and redistributing it to the persons in need of your choice.
Social Security is an investment that, like millions of others, I made. Sure, I didn't have a choice. The government made me invest. Money came out of every paycheck. I'm now cashing in on the investment having reached the age where I'm eligible. That's not welfare, KJocchio. I paid for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThe CARES act, which includes the expanded eligibility for self employed as well as the additional $600 a week unemployment through July, was crafted entirely by Mitch McConnel and republicans. If you remember the democrats were screaming that they weren't included in the drafting of the initial bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Pretty hypocritical for someone on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid to even have the balls to say anything about the "government tit". While I don't consider Social Security and Medicare, welfare programs, they are most certainly government socialist programs, one even having the word in the name. :rolleyes:
Medicaid IS a welfare program. And there is no doubt Mickey is or was on Medicaid, when he went through his heart attack and extended hospital stay. He can deny it if it makes him feel better, but there is a caseworker at the hospital, associated with the hospital that signs and helps sign anyone in Mickey's position, up for Medicaid.
So just shut up Mickey and stop judging everyone and being such a douche bag, you hypocrite.
Now, you seem to have some special knowledge that not many people know. A caseworker coming around to "sign people up for medicaid." How would you know that? It's a no brainer. And how would you know what "my position" was at the time? You don't. You just make the shit up as usual, KJocchio.
Medicaid payed for your heart operations. Isn't that right, KJ the Welfare Queen? Who were you calling a hypocrite? Take a look in the mirror, KJocchio.
Maybe you could pay a debt off with it:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission146You're welcome and I don't. If they find a way to all but make me take it, I'll donate it to some food-donation or blood-donation related cause. Probably food because the latter already gets plenty of my sweet, sweet, O- blood. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Damn, Dog, you're not that dumb are you. I was talking about the 92 election with Bush, Clinton and Perot. Clinton beat the incumbent with 43% of the popular vote. KJocchio thinks I dumbed the number down. No, I used memory which was slightly off. KJocchio once again dishoners himself making up bullshit on someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgUnless I am missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
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More made up bullshit by prevaricater KJocchio. The $600 was thrown in by Dems and Republicans allowed it in order to get a bill through. But I blame asshole republicans for it too. It's created a situation where people are drawing more in unemployment than they were working....and don't want to go back to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThe CARES act, which includes the expanded eligibility for self employed as well as the additional $600 a week unemployment through July, was crafted entirely by Mitch McConnel and republicans. If you remember the democrats were screaming that they weren't included in the drafting of the initial bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Pretty hypocritical for someone on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid to even have the balls to say anything about the "government tit". While I don't consider Social Security and Medicare, welfare programs, they are most certainly government socialist programs, one even having the word in the name. :rolleyes:
Medicaid IS a welfare program. And there is no doubt Mickey is or was on Medicaid, when he went through his heart attack and extended hospital stay. He can deny it if it makes him feel better, but there is a caseworker at the hospital, associated with the hospital that signs and helps sign anyone in Mickey's position, up for Medicaid.
So just shut up Mickey and stop judging everyone and being such a douche bag, you hypocrite.
One thing is for sure. Two-thirds of the people working cannot sustain paying for the one-third not working. Something must change or this country is headed for a major depression.
OH, how stupid is it that KJ thinks all the looting and burning of Liberal areas of the country is creating votes for democrats. It's just the opposite. They are running those liberal democrat business owners over to the republican party. KJocchio is a special kind of stooooooooooppiiiiiiiiiddddddd!!!!!
Right, but as I mentioned above Clinton WON in 1992, and with about 6 million MORE votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDamn, Dog, you're not that dumb are you. I was talking about the 92 election with Bush, Clinton and Perot. Clinton beat the incumbent with 43% of the popular vote. KJocchio thinks I dumbed the number down. No, I used memory which was slightly off. KJocchio once again dishoners himself making up bullshit on someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgUnless I am missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
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I assume your mentioning "But someone once won with 41%" had something or other to do with Trump, who LOST (the popular vote) with 3 million LESS votes, which is why I couldn't see the relevance or connection to Trump's victory.
If what you were getting at was that Trump could again lose the popular vote, get only 41% and still win, that would be statistically so improbable as to be nearly impossible - or at least, nothing close to that has ever happened. When Trump won in 2016, he got about 46% of the vote, no?
That's correct and I guess could be possible with a really great third-party showing overall. For my part, I'm simply expecting Trump to outperform 41%.
Misleading, Dog. Don't get me wrong. In both elections I supported Bill Clinton. Perot siphoned off 20 million votes from the two candidates. Perot was a conservative and supported Republicans but of course not George Bush in 1992. If not for Perot, Bush 41 would have been a two term president and who knows what would have become of Bill Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawgRight, but as I mentioned above Clinton WON in 1992, and with about 6 million MORE votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDamn, Dog, you're not that dumb are you. I was talking about the 92 election with Bush, Clinton and Perot. Clinton beat the incumbent with 43% of the popular vote. KJocchio thinks I dumbed the number down. No, I used memory which was slightly off. KJocchio once again dishoners himself making up bullshit on someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
I assume your mentioning "But someone once won with 41%" had something or other to do with Trump, who LOST (the popular vote) with 3 million LESS votes, which is why I couldn't see the relevance or connection to Trump's victory.
If what you were getting at was that Trump could again lose the popular vote, get only 41% and still win, that would be statistically so improbable as to be nearly impossible - or at least, nothing close to that has ever happened. When Trump won in 2016, he got about 46% of the vote, no?
For the record I have not received a dime of coronavirus money nor have I actively sought it out. If it lands in my account I will give it away. Most likely to my family.
I am sure you would love that to be the case, Mickey, but it is not. I have health insurance. Had it prior to both my operations. Had it for my partner.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Back in Philadelphia, I broke my collarbone twice skateboarding and rollerblading. At the time, I didn't have much money, and was building my BR, so I didn't have health insurance. After those two medical bills, which weren't huge....no hospital stay or anything, but I paid cash for, I decided I should have medical coverage, because an AP that gets hurt or sick is going to have loss of income and then medical bills on top. Kind of a double whamy. I have had health insurance ever since. In my case with 2 heart operations, it has been a great investment.
My kids got mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
They don't call you KJocchio for nothing. You lie like a rug....welfare queen.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJI am sure you would love that to be the case, Mickey, but it is not. I have health insurance. Has it prior to both my operations. Had it for my partner.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Back in Philadelphia, I broke my collarbone twice skateboarding and rollerblading. At the time, I didn't have much money, and was building my BR, so I didn't have health insurance. After those two medical bills, which weren't huge....no hospital stay or anything, but I paid cash for, I decided I should have medical coverage, because an AP that gets hurt or sick is going to have loss of income and then medical bills on top. Kind of a double whamy. I have had health insurance ever since. In my case with 2 heart operations, it has been a great investment.
The one year Anniversary of my being banned from WOV for that infamous one time cussing rant happened almost two weeks ago. I honestly thought I would be getting a one month Suspension for that fed up cussing rant which I apologized for multiple times.
I don't see how liberal business owners will move to Republican because of the looting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmMore made up bullshit by prevaricater KJocchio. The $600 was thrown in by Dems and Republicans allowed it in order to get a bill through. But I blame asshole republicans for it too. It's created a situation where people are drawing more in unemployment than they were working....and don't want to go back to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJThe CARES act, which includes the expanded eligibility for self employed as well as the additional $600 a week unemployment through July, was crafted entirely by Mitch McConnel and republicans. If you remember the democrats were screaming that they weren't included in the drafting of the initial bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Pretty hypocritical for someone on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid to even have the balls to say anything about the "government tit". While I don't consider Social Security and Medicare, welfare programs, they are most certainly government socialist programs, one even having the word in the name. :rolleyes:
Medicaid IS a welfare program. And there is no doubt Mickey is or was on Medicaid, when he went through his heart attack and extended hospital stay. He can deny it if it makes him feel better, but there is a caseworker at the hospital, associated with the hospital that signs and helps sign anyone in Mickey's position, up for Medicaid.
So just shut up Mickey and stop judging everyone and being such a douche bag, you hypocrite.
One thing is for sure. Two-thirds of the people working cannot sustain paying for the one-third not working. Something must change or this country is headed for a major depression.
OH, how stupid is it that KJ thinks all the looting and burning of Liberal areas of the country is creating votes for democrats. It's just the opposite. They are running those liberal democrat business owners over to the republican party. KJocchio is a special kind of stooooooooooppiiiiiiiiiddddddd!!!!!
Why wouldn't the leader of the country in the middle of race riots and looting (with a history of making racist comments) not be blamed by liberal business owners.
Flipping it, if a bunch of right-wing business owners were looted by 2nd amendment gun owners during a democratic presidency do you believe they would blame the party and vote Democrat?
I highly doubtful that. Pretty certain they would blame the Dem president. Likewise I am pretty certain Dem business owners who have been looted will not be switching their beliefs over this
Tasha, you've had a lot of one year Anniversaries today (or close to today), so this is kind of a special day for you. Congratulations on all your one year anniversaries!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
I hope we can keep celebrating all your anniversaries with you every year, and you don't go off a make any more sock puppets and get banned permanently. As I'm sure you know, you've got a lot of fans on this site.
Constant CV fear monger RED is over at the Wizards place talking about a trip to Vegas in July. But of course he adds he thinks we will be in the 2nd wave then and he probably won’t go. And he won’t ride an elevator.
It appears there is some doubt in his mind since he is even considering a trip.
But no comment on why we haven’t seen this “wave” yet. The protesting has been going on for 2 weeks now. Same with Memorial Day. We have been open in Florida for over a month now.
And the average age of the dead is still well over 75.
The way he plays both sides and is wrong all the time I feel for those who buy his picks this year. Actually no I don’t. Anyone who buys picks from a blog deserves what they get.
Meanwhile America is partying like its 1918 all over again.
I was at the Pecos VA Hospital Yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
It was the first place that had a Virus Patient and Death in Vegas.
They had two Army Tents outside with no activity.
They make you wear a mask and check your temperature to go into the ER.
Of course the place isn't very busy because you have to qualify to use that facility.
Anyways... whatever... I'll let you know if my whole family dies because I was at a place more likely to catch it.
Those of us in the know realize its all Bullshit and I will die falling down the stairs before I catch this Bullshit Virus.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The president did not allow the looting and rioting. The mayors and Governors of those liberal cities/states allowed it to happen. Thats where the blame lies. They fiddled as their towns burned. They made no moves to stop it when they controlled everything. Giving police stand down orders. Not bringing in the National Guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozI don't see how liberal business owners will move to Republican because of the looting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmMore made up bullshit by prevaricater KJocchio. The $600 was thrown in by Dems and Republicans allowed it in order to get a bill through. But I blame asshole republicans for it too. It's created a situation where people are drawing more in unemployment than they were working....and don't want to go back to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
One thing is for sure. Two-thirds of the people working cannot sustain paying for the one-third not working. Something must change or this country is headed for a major depression.
OH, how stupid is it that KJ thinks all the looting and burning of Liberal areas of the country is creating votes for democrats. It's just the opposite. They are running those liberal democrat business owners over to the republican party. KJocchio is a special kind of stooooooooooppiiiiiiiiiddddddd!!!!!
Why wouldn't the leader of the country in the middle of race riots and looting (with a history of making racist comments) not be blamed by liberal business owners.
Flipping it, if a bunch of right-wing business owners were looted by 2nd amendment gun owners during a democratic presidency do you believe they would blame the party and vote Democrat?
I highly doubtful that. Pretty certain they would blame the Dem president. Likewise I am pretty certain Dem business owners who have been looted will not be switching their beliefs over this
Then you lay the blame on the president, darkoz? People are not that stupid.
PS: The issue of police department defunding is also dividing liberals, some swearing they will not vote for Biden if he supports defunding.
It's sad that America right now has millions unemployed, race riots, police committing open murder on cell phone video, over 112,000 dead in three months from a pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The president did not allow the looting and rioting. The mayors and Governors of those liberal cities/states allowed it to happen. Thats where the blame lies. They fiddled as their towns burned. They made no moves to stop it when they controlled everything. Giving police stand down orders. Not bringing in the National Guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozI don't see how liberal business owners will move to Republican because of the looting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Why wouldn't the leader of the country in the middle of race riots and looting (with a history of making racist comments) not be blamed by liberal business owners.
Flipping it, if a bunch of right-wing business owners were looted by 2nd amendment gun owners during a democratic presidency do you believe they would blame the party and vote Democrat?
I highly doubtful that. Pretty certain they would blame the Dem president. Likewise I am pretty certain Dem business owners who have been looted will not be switching their beliefs over this
Then you lay the blame on the president, darkoz? People are not that stupid.
PS: The issue of police department defunding is also dividing liberals, some swearing they will not vote for Biden if he supports defunding.
But hey, that's all part of making America great.
After blaming Obama for everything and Hillary who wasn't even elected, now you want to believe that the man in charge isn't to be blamed for anything??
You see the problem is that even if Trump is truly blameless for everything the only thing you can then surmise is that he is incapable of steering the country during disaster.
We need a president who can not only work wonders when they are handed to him on a silver platter but when disaster strikes as well.
So just ask yourself honestly
Tell this forum honestly
Does the state of the US, TODAY, make you happy, make you feel life in America is great again?
Trump has been at the wheel for nearly four years. If this is where we are at now, no liberal is gonna vote for another four.
Maybe you are right but ultimately most all liberals will all stay home and not vote for " the're going to put you all back in chains" Biden.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The president did not allow the looting and rioting. The mayors and Governors of those liberal cities/states allowed it to happen. Thats where the blame lies. They fiddled as their towns burned. They made no moves to stop it when they controlled everything. Giving police stand down orders. Not bringing in the National Guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Then you lay the blame on the president, darkoz? People are not that stupid.
PS: The issue of police department defunding is also dividing liberals, some swearing they will not vote for Biden if he supports defunding.
Trump has been at the wheel for nearly four years. If this is where we are at now, no liberal is gonna vote for another four.
You keep forgetting people vote their own best interest in many cases when undecided. And in many of those cases, they are better off under Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozIt's sad that America right now has millions unemployed, race riots, police committing open murder on cell phone video, over 112,000 dead in three months from a pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The president did not allow the looting and rioting. The mayors and Governors of those liberal cities/states allowed it to happen. Thats where the blame lies. They fiddled as their towns burned. They made no moves to stop it when they controlled everything. Giving police stand down orders. Not bringing in the National Guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Then you lay the blame on the president, darkoz? People are not that stupid.
PS: The issue of police department defunding is also dividing liberals, some swearing they will not vote for Biden if he supports defunding.
But hey, that's all part of making America great.
After blaming Obama for everything and Hillary who wasn't even elected, now you want to believe that the man in charge isn't to be blamed for anything??
You see the problem is that even if Trump is truly blameless for everything the only thing you can then surmise is that he is incapable of steering the country during disaster.
We need a president who can not only work wonders when they are handed to him on a silver platter but when disaster strikes as well.
So just ask yourself honestly
Tell this forum honestly
Does the state of the US, TODAY, make you happy, make you feel life in America is great again?
Trump has been at the wheel for nearly four years. If this is where we are at now, no liberal is gonna vote for another four.
Of course I’m not talking about the dedicated Dems who would vote for Bill Cosby over Trump. I mean the middle of the road Americans who are sick of both parties and see them for the people they are. And Biden isn’t offering them a compelling reason to vote for him at this point. However there is a long way to go and the debates will make or break Trump.
And spoiler alert, Trump will again lose the popular vote by a large margin.
I don't think people are that undecided.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozYou keep forgetting people vote their own best interest in many cases when undecided. And in many of those cases, they are better off under Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozIt's sad that America right now has millions unemployed, race riots, police committing open murder on cell phone video, over 112,000 dead in three months from a pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
But hey, that's all part of making America great.
After blaming Obama for everything and Hillary who wasn't even elected, now you want to believe that the man in charge isn't to be blamed for anything??
You see the problem is that even if Trump is truly blameless for everything the only thing you can then surmise is that he is incapable of steering the country during disaster.
We need a president who can not only work wonders when they are handed to him on a silver platter but when disaster strikes as well.
So just ask yourself honestly
Tell this forum honestly
Does the state of the US, TODAY, make you happy, make you feel life in America is great again?
Trump has been at the wheel for nearly four years. If this is where we are at now, no liberal is gonna vote for another four.
Of course I’m not talking about the dedicated Dems who would vote for Bill Cosby over Trump. I mean the middle of the road Americans who are sick of both parties and see them for the people they are. And Biden isn’t offering them a compelling reason to vote for him at this point. However there is a long way to go and the debates will make or break Trump.
And spoiler alert, Trump will again lose the popular vote by a large margin.
Trump supporters are decided.
Dems are decided.
Middle of the roaders probably were decided before the pandemic. They had four years to either warm up to Trump or learn to despise him.
The economy up till March may have swayed them despite their misgivings about trump. Now that horse has left.
Those undecided will have to ask if voting for the same guy in charge who has so many sick and dying and unemployed seems smart versus the unknown of Biden as president
So I'm supposed to find faults with Trump? Why should I when we have lefties like you to invent all kinds of bullshit about Trump. You've already explained how you judge Trump harshly by his words. You've even said sarcastically some of his quotes will go down is history. I judge Trump by his actions. His actions will certainly go down in history to as he got more done his first year in office than most presidents get done in 8 years. And he continued getting results until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozIt's sad that America right now has millions unemployed, race riots, police committing open murder on cell phone video, over 112,000 dead in three months from a pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The president did not allow the looting and rioting. The mayors and Governors of those liberal cities/states allowed it to happen. Thats where the blame lies. They fiddled as their towns burned. They made no moves to stop it when they controlled everything. Giving police stand down orders. Not bringing in the National Guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Then you lay the blame on the president, darkoz? People are not that stupid.
PS: The issue of police department defunding is also dividing liberals, some swearing they will not vote for Biden if he supports defunding.
But hey, that's all part of making America great.
After blaming Obama for everything and Hillary who wasn't even elected, now you want to believe that the man in charge isn't to be blamed for anything??
You see the problem is that even if Trump is truly blameless for everything the only thing you can then surmise is that he is incapable of steering the country during disaster.
We need a president who can not only work wonders when they are handed to him on a silver platter but when disaster strikes as well.
So just ask yourself honestly
Tell this forum honestly
Does the state of the US, TODAY, make you happy, make you feel life in America is great again?
Trump has been at the wheel for nearly four years. If this is where we are at now, no liberal is gonna vote for another four.
You, darkoz, will not acknowledge any of Trumps accomplishments. You deny he has any accomplishments at all. You may not like his accomplishments but they are accomplishments nonetheless. Because of that you have no credibility. But you want my side to come out and say he has faults. Fuck you.
The last two words of your post say everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSo I'm supposed to find faults with Trump? Why should I when we have lefties like you to invent all kinds of bullshit about Trump. You've already explained how you judge Trump harshly by his words. You've even said sarcastically some of his quotes will go down is history. I judge Trump by his actions. His actions will certainly go down in history to as he got more done his first year in office than most presidents get done in 8 years. And he continued getting results until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozIt's sad that America right now has millions unemployed, race riots, police committing open murder on cell phone video, over 112,000 dead in three months from a pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
But hey, that's all part of making America great.
After blaming Obama for everything and Hillary who wasn't even elected, now you want to believe that the man in charge isn't to be blamed for anything??
You see the problem is that even if Trump is truly blameless for everything the only thing you can then surmise is that he is incapable of steering the country during disaster.
We need a president who can not only work wonders when they are handed to him on a silver platter but when disaster strikes as well.
So just ask yourself honestly
Tell this forum honestly
Does the state of the US, TODAY, make you happy, make you feel life in America is great again?
Trump has been at the wheel for nearly four years. If this is where we are at now, no liberal is gonna vote for another four.
You, darkoz, will not acknowledge any of Trumps accomplishments. You deny he has any accomplishments at all. You may not like his accomplishments but they are accomplishments nonetheless. Because of that you have no credibility. But you want my side to come out and say he has faults. Fuck you.
I don't have to curse you out because my argument is sound.
You are asking voters to ignore America as is:
Race riots
Lockdowns
Looting
Pandemic
Highest unemployment EVER RECORDED
Because some things were achieved four years ago?
Again How do you feel about where America is today at this moment?
Do you feel we are at our best, our greatest?
Trump said elect him to make America great again. It's now time for re-election. He should be touting keeping America great. Not having to make it great one more time after it just went to shit in his own presidency
As of June 2020, America is demonstrably worse than when he took over.
I.E. anything he did four years ago has been wiped away
Only kooks blame Trump for the pandemic. The lockdowns to flatten the curve turned into until we find a cure by hard lefties like yourself that wanted to destroy the economy to get rid of Trump. You forced business owners to stay shutdown for no reason then openly supported the "no social distancing riots." Terrible terrible people lefties are.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozThe last two words of your post say everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmSo I'm supposed to find faults with Trump? Why should I when we have lefties like you to invent all kinds of bullshit about Trump. You've already explained how you judge Trump harshly by his words. You've even said sarcastically some of his quotes will go down is history. I judge Trump by his actions. His actions will certainly go down in history to as he got more done his first year in office than most presidents get done in 8 years. And he continued getting results until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
You, darkoz, will not acknowledge any of Trumps accomplishments. You deny he has any accomplishments at all. You may not like his accomplishments but they are accomplishments nonetheless. Because of that you have no credibility. But you want my side to come out and say he has faults. Fuck you.
I don't have to curse you out because my argument is sound.
You are asking voters to ignore America as is:
Race riots
Lockdowns
Looting
Pandemic
Highest unemployment EVER RECORDED
Because some things were achieved four years ago?
Again How do you feel about where America is today at this moment?
Do you feel we are at our best, our greatest?
Trump said elect him to make America great again. It's now time for re-election. He should be touting keeping America great. Not having to make it great one more time after it just went to shit in his own presidency
As of June 2020, America is demonstrably worse than when he took over.
I.E. anything he did four years ago has been wiped away
But everything is not, as you say, wiped away. Not even close. The stock market is back over 27K. The 150 judges are still in place. We are still the world's number one oil producer. We still have lower taxes and regulations. You totally ignore the jobs report for May. You have to do that because you can't give Trump credit for anything. 2.5 million new jobs.
Darkoz, you don't really think we are stupid enough to blame Trump for the left sabotaging the economy, do you? Trump will be the revival of the economy no matter how hard the left works to sabotage it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmOnly kooks blame Trump for the pandemic. The lockdowns to flatten the curve turned into until we find a cure by hard lefties like yourself that wanted to destroy the economy to get rid of Trump. You forced business owners to stay shutdown for no reason then openly supported the "no social distancing riots." Terrible terrible people lefties are.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozThe last two words of your post say everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I don't have to curse you out because my argument is sound.
You are asking voters to ignore America as is:
Race riots
Lockdowns
Looting
Pandemic
Highest unemployment EVER RECORDED
Because some things were achieved four years ago?
Again How do you feel about where America is today at this moment?
Do you feel we are at our best, our greatest?
Trump said elect him to make America great again. It's now time for re-election. He should be touting keeping America great. Not having to make it great one more time after it just went to shit in his own presidency
As of June 2020, America is demonstrably worse than when he took over.
I.E. anything he did four years ago has been wiped away
But everything is not, as you say, wiped away. Not even close. The stock market is back over 27K. The 150 judges are still in place. We are still the world's number one oil producer. We still have lower taxes and regulations. You totally ignore the jobs report for May. You have to do that because you can't give Trump credit for anything. 2.5 million new jobs.
Darkoz, you don't really think we are stupid enough to blame Trump for the left sabotaging the economy, do you? Trump will be the revival of the economy no matter how hard the left works to sabotage it.
Most likely any president would have a tough time dealing with the pandemic.
Unfortunately when the boat hits the iceberg the captain goes down with the ship.
Enjoy the sinking!
2 million jobs added after 20 million lost isn't something to be bragging about.
People who lost their jobs don't care how many judges were appointed or how well the stock market is doing while they are on unemployment
I think redietz is expecting a spike in CV cases by the 3rd week of June because of the no social distancing protests/looting/riots.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Darkoz, you are cluthing at straws in coming up with reasons to get rid of Trump. When it comes to rebuilding the economy the left knows absolutely nothing about how to do it. All they know how to do is stifle an economy. Trump knows how to build an economy. That's precisely why we need him for another 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmOnly kooks blame Trump for the pandemic. The lockdowns to flatten the curve turned into until we find a cure by hard lefties like yourself that wanted to destroy the economy to get rid of Trump. You forced business owners to stay shutdown for no reason then openly supported the "no social distancing riots." Terrible terrible people lefties are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
But everything is not, as you say, wiped away. Not even close. The stock market is back over 27K. The 150 judges are still in place. We are still the world's number one oil producer. We still have lower taxes and regulations. You totally ignore the jobs report for May. You have to do that because you can't give Trump credit for anything. 2.5 million new jobs.
Darkoz, you don't really think we are stupid enough to blame Trump for the left sabotaging the economy, do you? Trump will be the revival of the economy no matter how hard the left works to sabotage it.
Most likely any president would have a tough time dealing with the pandemic.
Unfortunately when the boat hits the iceberg the captain goes down with the ship.
Enjoy the sinking!
2 million jobs added after 20 million lost isn't something to be bragging about.
People who lost their jobs don't care how many judges were appointed or how well the stock market is doing while they are on unemployment
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Boz, try at least to have some integrity (inside joke). If you ever see where I say the "2nd wave" will hit then, I will pay you 10K, no questions asked.
You see, this is the third month of a pandemic. Pandemics usually don't end in two or three or six months or nine months. Parts of the U.S. haven't experienced the first wave yet. But that first wave is now hitting Arkansas and Florida and Texas and Tennessee and North Carolina.
There's no trick to this. New York, New Jersey, and Illinois are feeling their end of the first wave. The first wave has just started for most (geographically) of the country. Take Tennessee, for example. Tennessee is up 70% the last week, but we're allowing parades and sporting events. The first wave is just arriving. Should be entertaining.
Now I bothered to post this because you were egregiously wrong. When you find a direct quote of mine that has actually been equally egregiously wrong, feel free to direct quote it. I notice, however, that you tend to paraphrase and not directly quote me. Tsk tsk. No integrity in paraphrasing, Boz.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/u...s-casinos.html
If LV futures are radically better than offshore, I make the trip. That's what I do for my partners. I can handle the protocols needed better than most. Do I want to? No, I don't. But I'll do it. Las Vegas may be a mess by the end of July. Hard to tell. One of my friends beat the NYTimes by two months, calling the LV casinos, "cruise ships on land."
You folks who think COVID-19 is in the rear view mirror are believing what you prefer to believe. Quote me on that. Directly. We are three months into a 24-month marathon. Quote me on that, too. The pandemic has just begun. And no, the protesting sure didn't help matters. Probably lose five digits in lives just from the protests when it's all over.
For anyone with a brain out there, there are reports from Italy that the virus seems to be generating somewhat different effects as it settles into the populations. The viral load per person, and thus the contagiousness and deadliness seems to be reducing the longer it's been embedded in a population. Also, folks have figured out that classic intubation doesn't help much for those most ill. These are the benefits of flattening the curve and having instituted shutdowns. You get to learn what you're dealing with while not overwhelming the health care system.
Now, Boz, 21 months from now, one of us will have been right, and one of us will have been wrong. Good luck.
We are entering another recession due to the pandemicQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmDarkoz, you are cluthing at straws in coming up with reasons to get rid of Trump. When it comes to rebuilding the economy the left knows absolutely nothing about how to do it. All they know how to do is stifle an economy. Trump knows how to build an economy. That's precisely why we need him for another 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Most likely any president would have a tough time dealing with the pandemic.
Unfortunately when the boat hits the iceberg the captain goes down with the ship.
Enjoy the sinking!
2 million jobs added after 20 million lost isn't something to be bragging about.
People who lost their jobs don't care how many judges were appointed or how well the stock market is doing while they are on unemployment
Regardless of the reasons
Our last recession occurred in October/November of 2008
Um, which party had a president in the white House?
Now we are facing another recession
Um, which party has a president in the white house?
This is what makes this forum great. A hobo that had his medical tab picked up by the State because of his irresponsible lifestyle choices taking the position of the right. Then an ex homeless bus bench bum taking the position of the left.
I would say that our overlords have achieved victory when you have 2 birds of the same feather facing off with each other. United we stand; Divided we fall. At least this forum allows us to see into the reality of the rediculousness of our world today......GOAT
I want those SS checks to keep rolling in so you keep working maxpenis, that is, when you are not packing KJocchio in the ass, Mr. rump roaster. Or do you even pay SS?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
KJocchio has never mentioned paying FICO tax. And he wants us all to believe he had a healthcare policy with pre-existing conditions before Obamacare. Bullshit. Medicaid payed his hospital bill.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozI don't think people are that undecided.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozYou keep forgetting people vote their own best interest in many cases when undecided. And in many of those cases, they are better off under Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
Of course I’m not talking about the dedicated Dems who would vote for Bill Cosby over Trump. I mean the middle of the road Americans who are sick of both parties and see them for the people they are. And Biden isn’t offering them a compelling reason to vote for him at this point. However there is a long way to go and the debates will make or break Trump.
And spoiler alert, Trump will again lose the popular vote by a large margin.
Trump supporters are decided.
Dems are decided.
Middle of the roaders probably were decided before the pandemic. They had four years to either warm up to Trump or learn to despise him.
The economy up till March may have swayed them despite their misgivings about trump. Now that horse has left.
Those undecided will have to ask if voting for the same guy in charge who has so many sick and dying and unemployed seems smart versus the unknown of Biden as president
We need Trump to get the economy back to where it was pre pandemic. He knows how to do it. If you want to see sick, dying, unemployed for years then vote for China Joe Biden.
Yes, a man who has had several bankruptcies should always be looked at as an expert in growing economyQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkozI don't think people are that undecided.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Trump supporters are decided.
Dems are decided.
Middle of the roaders probably were decided before the pandemic. They had four years to either warm up to Trump or learn to despise him.
The economy up till March may have swayed them despite their misgivings about trump. Now that horse has left.
Those undecided will have to ask if voting for the same guy in charge who has so many sick and dying and unemployed seems smart versus the unknown of Biden as president
We need Trump to get the economy back to where it was pre pandemic. He knows how to do it. If you want to see sick, dying, unemployed for years then vote for China Joe Biden.
And what happened to the ballooning deficit you were so concerned about with Obama as president?
Darkoz, do you know how to say anything except the typical cliche Democrat liberal statements?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkozYes, a man who has had several bankruptcies should always be looked at as an expert in growing economyQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmQuote:
Originally Posted by Darkoz
We need Trump to get the economy back to where it was pre pandemic. He knows how to do it. If you want to see sick, dying, unemployed for years then vote for China Joe Biden.
And what happened to the ballooning deficit you were so concerned about with Obama as president?
And for the record that is a completely false statement, but I know liberals use it all the time. Trump has never committed personal bankruptcy. He's owned a lot of companies and, yes, some have gone bankrupt. That's something completely different. Most business men who have owned a lot of companies will have had a couple of them go bankrupt. This is what happens in a capitalist system.
Using your logic, Warren Buffet (a liberal) has had several bankruptcies, since companies he's owned through the stock market have gone bankrupt.
Do any of you liberals ever think for yourself, or do you just regurgitate the talking points from the Democrat party?
This is one of the many times that the hobo in you shines bright. Self employed do not pay FIC"A". They pay self employment tax. You would know that if you ever reported your income from AP. I'm not saying a person should report AP income. I could care less what people do or don't pay regarding taxes. But they damn well should purchase health insurance. Otherwise they are just setting themselves up to be another leech on society. Instead of sucking Rob's knob you should be sucking off the liberals that push for you to be able to be the parasite that you try and criticize others for being.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Plus it's obvious KJ has paid his Self-Employment Tax or he wouldn't have qualified for the unemployment he is getting.
Maxpenis, quit sucking KJocchio off for a few minutes so he can answer as to how much he has payed in SS tax. You don't like me calling it SS tax, fuck you, cocksucker. Quit fucking answering question that only your lover KJocchio can answer. If you want to see a leech on society take a look in the mirror. It's obvious you are not paying taxes much less SS tax. You can go ahead and let KJocchio fuck you in the ass before he answers the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenThis is one of the many times that the hobo in you shines bright. Self employed do not pay FIC"A". They pay self employment tax. You would know that if you ever reported your income from AP. I'm not saying a person should report AP income. I could care less what people do or don't pay regarding taxes. But they damn well should purchase health insurance. Otherwise they are just setting themselves up to be another leech on society. Instead of sucking Rob's knob you should be sucking off the liberals that push for you to be able to be the parasite that you try and criticize others for being.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Plus it's obvious KJ has paid his Self-Employment Tax or he wouldn't have qualified for the unemployment he is getting.
And Kjocchio should explain how he got health insurance with a pre-existing condition before Obamacare.
LMAO...…..Your insolent hobo ass called it the "FICO" tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It's a good thing civilized society created safety nets for irresponsible knob gobblers like you. Otherwise you'd be dead.
Edit to add;
"And Kjocchio should explain how he got health insurance with a pre-existing condition before Obamacare."-Resident Hobo
I will let him explain that. However, ,,,,It is something that anyone who has contributed positively to society understands. Again the hobo in you shines bright.
Is that all you got KJ's penis boy? How much of his shit did you get on your dick today? Its a no brainer you dont pay taxes much less SS tax. Maxpenis the tax cheat. And how about your health insurance? BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!! Go back to sucking KJocchio's cock.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenLMAO...…..Your insolent hobo ass called it the "FICO" tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It's a good thing civilized society created safety nets for irresponsible knob gobblers like you. Otherwise you'd be dead.
Edit to add;
"And Kjocchio should explain how he got health insurance with a pre-existing condition before Obamacare."-Resident Hobo
I will let him explain that. However, ,,,,It is something that anyone who has contributed positively to society understands. Again the hobo in you shines bright.
I absolutely have health insurance. Have maintained policies thruout my entire adult life. It is what responsible people do. So that when the time comes they don't have to declare bankruptcy or lose assets. Of course, people who have nothing to lose can depend on the kindness of the State programs to save their ass. Like it does for all of society's hobos and other assorted parasites that you constantly show your disdain for.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmIs that all you got KJ's penis boy? How much of his shit did you get on your dick today? Its a no brainer you dont pay taxes much less SS tax. Maxpenis the tax cheat. And how about your health insurance? BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!! Go back to sucking KJocchio's cock.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPenLMAO...…..Your insolent hobo ass called it the "FICO" tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It's a good thing civilized society created safety nets for irresponsible knob gobblers like you. Otherwise you'd be dead.
Edit to add;
"And Kjocchio should explain how he got health insurance with a pre-existing condition before Obamacare."-Resident Hobo
I will let him explain that. However, ,,,,It is something that anyone who has contributed positively to society understands. Again the hobo in you shines bright.
You have become quite the poster boy for this forum, mickey. The bitter old dude unhappy with his situation that has always dominated this forum with their bitterness and hate, plus you have now become an even bigger troll that Rob Singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I didn't have a pre-existing condition when I decided I should have and began looking into health insurance options. It was 2009, I lived in Philadelphia and had just broken my collarbone for the second time in a couple years, once skateboarding, once rollerblading. Now those aren't serious medical emergencies resulting in huge medical bills or anything, but it got me thinking about the "double whammy" if an advantage player were to suffer some sort of major medical situation, like a car accident or longer term illness. The advantage player would be out of work for an extended period with no income coming in, yet running up quickly adding up medical bills (hence the double whammy).
Being my first venture into looking at medical insurance, the price seemed (and was) extensive. More than I was initially looking to pay. So I settled on what is called a HDHP. High deductible. It was several thousand dollar deductible, meaning it didn't cover every little thing, like my broken collarbones. It would kick in if I had a more serious accident or illness, just as I wanted.
And it so happened 2 years later after I had moved to Las Vegas, I got just such and illness, endocarditis, which is an infection that eats away the heart lining and valves, which in my case required heart valve replacement.
So I would say my reasoning several years prior, was spot on. I think not just AP's, but anyone self employed, should consider at least some sort of HDHP, protecting against that "double whammy".
Now, MickeyCrimm, I am tired of your shit. You have become King troll and are obviously very bitter about where you are in life, and your choices throughout life of crawling into a bottle of booze, that has lead to your current situation. I am sorry you are so bitter and full of regret, but I am just not going to keep playing your VCT, bitter old man troll games. I will not respond to your nonsense any longer. You are dead to me. An AP that I once had great respect for, that now has simply become a Rob Singer clone, A bitter old angry dude, pissed at his choice and situation late in life. I wish you well and hope for the best for you, but I am not going to play your games.
No KJ, you will be back because you need this stuff. Just posting at the place you may or may not have paid the Wizard off to allow you back isn’t enough for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYou have become quite the poster boy for this forum, mickey. The bitter old dude unhappy with his situation that has always dominated this forum with their bitterness and hate, plus you have now become an even bigger troll that Rob Singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I didn't have a pre-existing condition when I decided I should have and began looking into health insurance options. It was 2009, I lived in Philadelphia and had just broken my collarbone for the second time in a couple years, once skateboarding, once rollerblading. Now those aren't serious medical emergencies resulting in huge medical bills or anything, but it got me thinking about the "double whammy" if an advantage player were to suffer some sort of major medical situation, like a car accident or longer term illness. The advantage player would be out of work for an extended period with no income coming in, yet running up quickly adding up medical bills (hence the double whammy).
Being my first venture into looking at medical insurance, the price seemed (and was) extensive. More than I was initially looking to pay. So I settled on what is called a HDHP. High deductible. It was several thousand dollar deductible, meaning it didn't cover every little thing, like my broken collarbones. It would kick in if I had a more serious accident or illness, just as I wanted.
And it so happened 2 years later after I had moved to Las Vegas, I got just such and illness, endocarditis, which is an infection that eats away the heart lining and valves, which in my case required heart valve replacement.
So I would say my reasoning several years prior, was spot on. I think not just AP's, but anyone self employed, should consider at least some sort of HDHP, protecting against that "double whammy".
Now, MickeyCrimm, I am tired of your shit. You have become King troll and are obviously very bitter about where you are in life, and your choices throughout life of crawling into a bottle of booze, that has lead to your current situation. I am sorry you are so bitter and full of regret, but I am just not going to keep playing your VCT, bitter old man troll games. I will not respond to your nonsense any longer. You are dead to me. An AP that I once had great respect for, that now has simply become a Rob Singer clone, A bitter old angry dude, pissed at his choice and situation late in life. I wish you well and hope for the best for you, but I am not going to play your games.
By the way, obviously saying Mickey is dead to you reeks of irony. That’s EXACTLY what the Wizard said about you. So something made him change his mind. That’s why I’m guessing either the little man got paid off or he proved what many have said about him over the years, he’s not to be trusted with his word. Let’s face it, he did publicly beg for money before. So no one would be shocked if he took some cash to let you back.
This is exactly right. This is what reasonable, responsible adults do. When you are in your 20's with little or no money, and feeling healthy and invincible you don't think of and most young people don't get health insurance. As you get into your later 20's or maybe even 30's, when people start making some money, buy property they want to protect, maybe get married, most reasonable, responsible people get and have health insurance. I guess a life-long hobo, eating soup out of a can down by the railroad tracks wouldn't understand that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxPen
And for an AP, that is when you really become an AP. Being a real professional player or AP is about not just scraping enough money to pay some rent. It is about paying taxes and having health insurance, saving for retirement and all the things that responsible people do.
Be back? did I say I was going anywhere? I said I was done responding to Mickeycrimm's troll games.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
And look who is talking about "needing this stuff"? Boz, you sold your business and retired fairly young. You are doing some traveling. This is the time you are supposed to be enjoying life. Instead you seem to be ramping up your participation here and acting more and more like the bitter dudes on this site pissed off at life. What are you pissed off at Boz? That you chose a stupid internet handle? :D
Did you notice how kjocchio steered the convo away from SS taxes. And he says he’s going to ignore me from now on. He doesn’t want to answer questions about SS tax. He doesn’t pay any.
You are just trolling dumb ass, because that is what you are now, a Rob Singer internet troll. I am not about to discuss my taxes with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You are a bitter, old, drunk troll. Dementia is setting into the few brain cells that you didn't kill off with with a life time of alcohol abuse.
It is more than obvious to anyone with half a brain (which may rule you out) that I pay my taxes, which is why I qualified for and received unemployment under the expanded eligibility.
Move on to your next bullshit troll Crimm, you low life.
If KJ packs it up as promised then Dickey Crimm will no longer be making an appearance. Oh wait, we still have Max Penis to keep Dickey going.
The Knuckler himself R.A Dickey
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! So you were going to ignore me? LOLOLOLOL!!!!! You're obsessed with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYou are just trolling dumb ass, because that is what you are now, a Rob Singer internet troll. I am not about to discuss my taxes with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You are a bitter, old, drunk troll. Dementia is setting into the few brain cells that you didn't kill off with with a life time of alcohol abuse.
It is more than obvious to anyone with half a brain (which may rule you out) that I pay my taxes, which is why I qualified for and received unemployment under the expanded eligibility.
Move on to your next bullshit troll Crimm, you low life.
So you are in the forums to help other gamblers but you don't have any advice on taxes and how to handle the situtation? I'm not talking about serious tax stuff that takes a tax professional just the laymen stuff like....how do you handle quarterly taxes, do you pay self employment tax, what percent of your income goes to federal income tax, etc.?
And another question, that is, if you even pay self employment and medicare tax. If you are paying for it, when the time comes for you to use it will you consider yourself to be freeloading off the government? Because that is what you have accused others of doing. And please, no deflections in your answer like "SS won't be there when you get age." That is not an answer.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
He also didn’t comment on, or deny he paid the Wizard to get back in his good graces.
I think if no one cares about Donald Trump's taxes, no one should care about KewlJ'sQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! So you were going to ignore me? LOLOLOLOL!!!!! You're obsessed with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJYou are just trolling dumb ass, because that is what you are now, a Rob Singer internet troll. I am not about to discuss my taxes with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
You are a bitter, old, drunk troll. Dementia is setting into the few brain cells that you didn't kill off with with a life time of alcohol abuse.
It is more than obvious to anyone with half a brain (which may rule you out) that I pay my taxes, which is why I qualified for and received unemployment under the expanded eligibility.
Move on to your next bullshit troll Crimm, you low life.
So you are in the forums to help other gamblers but you don't have any advice on taxes and how to handle the situtation? I'm not talking about serious tax stuff that takes a tax professional just the laymen stuff like....how do you handle quarterly taxes, do you pay self employment tax, what percent of your income goes to federal income tax, etc.?
And another question, that is, if you even pay self employment and medicare tax. If you are paying for it, when the time comes for you to use it will you consider yourself to be freeloading off the government? Because that is what you have accused others of doing. And please, no deflections in your answer like "SS won't be there when you get age." That is not an answer.
WHO said on Monday that it's "rare" for an asymptomatic person who shows no tell-tale signs of coronavirus infection — like a fever, dry cough, or trouble breathing — to spread the disease to others.
Everyday the hoax gets exposed more and more. But the assclowns will come back with “But, but, but 100,000 died”. Yes they did, and 99.9% of them had one foot in the grave.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
More will be exposed in 2 weeks when no one from the protests or Vegas or the beaches died from it. Unless of course they were almost dead and wanted one last fling. And for that I respect them.
The new slogan for the right:Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozEveryday the hoax gets exposed more and more. But the assclowns will come back with “But, but, but 100,000 died”. Yes they did, and 99.9% of them had one foot in the grave.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
More will be exposed in 2 weeks when no one from the protests or Vegas or the beaches died from it. Unless of course they were almost dead and wanted one last fling. And for that I respect them.
All Lives Matter As Long As It Doesn't Affect Our Bottom Line And Only Kills The Sick And Weak
So now we listen to the WHO? I thought it was all Chinese propaganda?Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozEveryday the hoax gets exposed more and more. But the assclowns will come back with “But, but, but 100,000 died”. Yes they did, and 99.9% of them had one foot in the grave.Quote:
Originally Posted by monet
More will be exposed in 2 weeks when no one from the protests or Vegas or the beaches died from it. Unless of course they were almost dead and wanted one last fling. And for that I respect them.