"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
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New York and California are not like most states. They have an over-abundence of liberals. It's way lopsided. Hillary easily won the popular vote in 2016 because of surplus liberal votes out of New York and California. With no electoral college it would have been this super majority of liberal votes in both states that made the difference.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Wishful thinking KJ. Governor Whitmer has shown Michigan liberals that they have no rights under democrat leadership. Do you really think that is going to pick up votes for dems? Guess again. With their turning the shutdown from "flatten the curve" into "until we find a cure" keeping workers under house arrest and away from their jobs way longer than expected and their weak response to left wing subversives burning down cities during the pandemic, Dems are commiting political suicide all across this country. It will show in the election this November.
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That is absolutely correct!
But they are Americans!
I get it. You are conservative and see how NY and Cali make winning difficult but that's the way it is. It's like playing a basketball game and finding out the other team has guys over seven feet tall. Can you insist they don't play so you have a better chance at winning?
But wait a minute. I'm pretty certain it's been this way since the sixties if I am not mistaken.
1960 - Democrat
1964 - Democrat
1968 - Republican
1972- Republican
1976 - Democrat
1980 - Republican
1984 - Republican
1988 - Republican
1992 - Democrat
1996 - Democrat
2000 - Republican
2004 - Republican
2008 - Democrat
2012 - Democrat
2016 - Republican
WTF? Even with NY and Cali liberal majority Republican's have won more elections than Democrats (and that's with owning Watergate for Christ's sake)
Now as to the upcoming election. Who knows where we are in just four months. Anything can happen. But you seem pretty confident people are going to be voting for Trump.
The state of the Union (just facts)
100,000 dead from new disease (with unproven treatments touted [Bleach under the skin anyone])
40 million asking for unemployment
Race riots and looting ACROSS THE NATION!
Forget Democrat or Republican. I don't see any president surviving those numbers
Was Trump responsible for this Derek Chauvin/George Foster catalyst? No, aside from some systemic baiting over the years he didn't have anything to do with the incident
But what happens when the lead car in the Indy 500 with a huge lead has a tire blow and does a triple somersault crash before the finish line? Wasn't his fault but he doesn't win the race either.
Trump has four months to pull out a miracle. Personally I want to get back to work. I want a treatment that makes Covid-19 go away. And I want it now.
If that does happen Trump will tout how he found the treatment for America. He will own it regardless of if he did anything but hey he gets to own the problems, he can own the success. Getting America back to work MAGA if you will is more important than who is in office to me.
But right now after four years every Republican should be chanting KAGA (Keep America Great Again). You guys haven't succeeded in making it yet???? Come on!
My counter-argument essentially mirrors KewlJ's. The main thing that people say is that the EC is necessary, because otherwise, you would essentially have a few states pick the winner. As KewlJ has succinctly pointed out, a few states already do pick the winner.
Furthermore, the Electoral College results in tons of votes essentially being nullified by way of its very existence. For example, we don't really know how many Republicans in California fail to show up to the polls because they basically consider the POTUS vote a lost cause. We don't know how many Democrats in Montana simply do not turn out to vote on the basis of it not making a difference.
In other words, we don't even know what the true popular vote would be.
I can say that you wouldn't have a few major cities deciding; they would just be contributing. For instance, on a popular vote basis, if you took HRC's votes from Texas away, now she loses the popular vote.
For that reason, I would argue, in terms of having one's voice heard, straight popular vote would be an improvement. You would have to campaign and have operations everywhere (both/all parties) because you would need every vote that you could possibly get. There would be outreach to Alaska Democrats and Hawaii Republicans.
However, it seems that some states are going to circumvent the EC system if enough of them get on board, by agreeing to be bound to the popular vote. It also seems like they can do this because the Constitution lacks provisions for the exact mechanism by which states control their popular votes.
But, my biggest problem with the EC is Faithless Electors. Some states throw them out, but not all of them. Ron Paul, Faith Spotted Eagle, John Kasich, Bernie Sanders and three (!?) votes for Colin fucking Powell! Who the hell is Faith Spotted Eagle representative of in this, 'Representative Democracy?' She received ZERO popular votes; she literally represents nobody.
I also think that the Internet and other mechanisms of mass communication have rendered the argument that rural areas would be underrepresented slightly less valid than it once was, so I do admit that the EC, at one time, had a very important purpose. It was a little different when a town hall to a rural area would have required a three-day trip, by horse.
FUN FACT: At one time, national support for going to a straight popular vote was once nearly 70%, and that was with equal agreement of both parties.
I think Darkoz' point kind of hurts the EC-no case a little bit because there hasn't been a first-term Republican President to win the popular vote since 1988. Although, it's hard to say what might have happened in 2000 had there been a point in turning out in all of the states.
Alan should take that $500 and vulture machines. Guaranteed to hit $400,000 but it'll take a while.
As has been said many times before a democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. As has been pointed out countless times we are not a democracy. We are a republic. The electoral college came into existence to protect the slight minority from the tyranny of the slight majority.
BTW, darkoz, I'm not a republican. I'm not even a right winger. I'm a middle of the road independent. But democrats are so far to the left these days that moderates like myself appear to be ultra far righties to them. Trump is by far the lesser of the two evils this election cycle.
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We have an electoral college because our Founding Fathers thought that the American people were too stupid to elect their own President. That is the reason - no other, and not to protect minority rights either. I have read some revisionist theories as to why else we have an electoral college, but I don't really buy them.
The electors do not have to vote with the popular vote of even their own state, and sometimes do not, they are merely elected to vote - for us.
Back then, among a nation of illiterates and farmers this rationale of an ignorant populace might have been true, but no longer applies sufficiently to justify the Republic's Electoral College system.
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I'm moderate left although I will dig in my heels if I have to.
As for choices, definitely two evils. I'm not confident in Biden. But I know how bad (evil) Trump is now that we got to experience him for four years. That is the only real reason for Biden. Maybe he will turn out worse, maybe better.
Dems definitely needed a stronger candidate and one did not come along.
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Uh, yeah I think it was when you kept insisting on spelling my name as a Russian operative. You kept calling me Darkov. Even after being corrected a fee times.
But if you want to, I'm fine with bygones. I didn't come here to fight. In fact I came here to clear accusations that I had followed you just to fight under Baccmaster which wasn't true (BTW, I noticed once I proved who I was he disappeared. I think he was enjoying letting people believe he was Darkoz)
Fair enough - bygones.
Yes it did seem at first that you were BaccM but we now know who he is, but he disappeared from this forum anyway, so not much point in unearthing him here unless he should rear again and remain bothersome. He pretty much had a one track mind anyway. I think I responded to just one post of his, so he felt compelled to repeat himself over and over hoping I would reply. But if he'd appeared much longer might've sent Alice Cooper over to his house back east to string up his puppies. Or you could've hit him up yourself on your way into Atlantic City.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Don't let yourself CUCK out. Your initial instincts are not betraying you. This was solid GOLD.
"It would be okay, and few would challenge you if you weren't so sensitive about your past failures that you felt the need to boast about having a few benjies in your pocket and that you could afford to pay for many spring fling dinners. All that makes you sound ridiculous and opens you up to contumely. You bring it on yourself!
We didn't resign ourselves to sleeping on the streets for years, and that you'd show to a social WOV event with a mask on (in pre-coronavirus times) proves that you fall into the mentally ill camp of the homeless population.
Still, stick to what you know. Whatever that might be, writing is well beyond your ken."
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