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Bullshit...you're dishonest in all aspects of these forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Misquotes, edited quotes to misdirect, unsubstantiated accusations, malicious false accusations, misconstrued motives, and outright fantasies that you present as facts.
You're literally a scumbag and proud of it.
The odds of Winning/Losing the hand itself do not change by tipping.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbjbStill doesn't affect the house edge. You of all people should know that the house edge is based on the remaining cards in the shoe. Not how much the player bets.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSoxThe bottom line is that a tipper is, in fact, changing the odds for himself by voluntarily placing bets for the dealers based on the size of the tips!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Part of that built in house edge on the game itself is also based on an even money payout, "except for a player blackjack" if by tipping even if it is voluntary the player is no longer receiving himself an even money payout if he is giving some of it away. In effect changing his own odds on the game. Very relevant for a straight counting blackjack player as the EV edges are very small, to begin with.
Coming from you I really have to laugh. Thanks for the compliment.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyBosox didn't understand that tipping doesn't affect the house edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
He is confused, and not qualified to comment on the probabilities or likelihood of anything gambling-related.
This is complete nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Does tipping the waitress change the odds of the game too?
I told everyone that you are confused. Probably ICAD.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
If you are playing 40 hands an hour at 1K per hand that's a 40K per hour wager. The house edge is at least 1.06% or $426 an hour. If you are tipping $50 an hour then you are giving up 1.185% or $474 an hour. And it doesn't matter if you only tip when you are winning. It's what your overall average tip per hour is.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyHow could tipping affect the house edge?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
If you play 100 hands at a 1K bet and win 50 hands but tip off 1K then you are down 1K.
Coach, I often play on a $100 minimum table and I tip very, very little and the main reason being the amount of the tip is almost never graciously accepted by many of those greedy MF begging dealers with real attitude problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyThis is complete nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Does tipping the waitress change the odds of the game too?
No you're not down from playing, just like you wouldn't be down from playing if you tip the valet to keep your car out front when you get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Whatever your reason for tipping or not is OK by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
I'm not sure how the casinos could afford to pay the dealers if no tips were allowed, I doubt they could find anybody qualified and willing to work for just the hourly.
I tip only when I win, or as I am winning. And I tip all the time. And again, I tip via side bets for the dealers only so if I don't win that hand the dealer gets nada. Every trip the dealers get a LOT from me, and I don't mind or care it's all in the scheme of the win. I have my short term and trip long goals, and I achieve them, notwithstanding the tips. This is a mentality that some may not grasp.
When I really think about it, yes the dealers get a lot of tips from me, but then so does everyone else. When we were leaving that third resort we had so much stuff we had one bellman to bring down the stuff from the suite, and another to pull the stuff from their "storage" that I had locked up earlier in the trip. At first I was going to hand each one fifteen but then I thought no, if there were just one bellman on check out day I would hand him twenty five, so I ended up compromising and handing each bellman twenty.
And then every time the waitress brings me a water or tea or whatever, five bucks no less. I typically have them replenish my non-alcoholic drink every time it gets half way down, so that's a lot of five dollar bills.
VIP attendants in the VIP rooms, five bucks each time they bring me something. Car valet gets five bucks a pop too.
If I'm staying at a casino resort it's not the real world as money is flying in to me from the tables, so who cares if I tip out a hundred or so a day in cash. I can't really compare it to a trip to Vienna or whatever as it's a casino trip not a regular vacation. As long as I end up net positive I condone the fact that others will benefit from my good fortune.
If you're too careful, your whole life can become a fuckin' grind.
I can't imagine who would have a problem with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDawg
Except maybe those who argue that tipping the waitress is the same as losing at cards.
If you leave the casino with less money than when you arrived there you are down regardless if it was a gaming loss or from the cost of doing business. An exception is the small percentage of people who just go to the casino for entertainment purposes who really can afford the price, and not overextend themselves financially.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyNo you're not down from playing, just like you wouldn't be down from playing if you tip the valet to keep your car out front when you get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I've never seen him do any of these things at this forum or elsewhere, you cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyBullshit...you're dishonest in all aspects of these forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Misquotes, edited quotes to misdirect, unsubstantiated accusations, malicious false accusations, misconstrued motives, and outright fantasies that you present as facts.
You're literally a scumbag and proud of it.
But I've seen you be a cunt in nearly every one of your posts.
More complete nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Do room and board count as gaming losses?
Do you subtract vehicle expenses & clothing allowance from your gambling roll too?
Is your entire life a business?
Are you saying that he's not proud of being a human condom?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdaewoo
You see only what you want to see.
But I'll post quotes of him doing those things I listed,
if you'll agree to disappear from this forum when I do.
The bottom line is you leave the casino with less money than you went in with. That's losing in my book. Perhaps you've never heard the old joke by....I think it was Julian Braun:Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyNo you're not down from playing, just like you wouldn't be down from playing if you tip the valet to keep your car out front when you get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
What's the difference between a professional blackjack player and a canoe?
A canoe tips.
Pro blackjack players play a pretty thin edge so most don't tip. Or at least they say they don't. Even modest tipping can tip your whole hourly rate away.
In baccarat you are giving up at least 1% in the game so tipping hurts you even more. Yeah, sure it doesn't effect the edge in the game....but it does effect your bottom line. If you tip you will leave the casino with less money than if you not tipped.
There are plenty of new AP players starting out with small to questionable bankrolls, who count every single dollar spent while out on the road in search of their dream. So the cost of all the incidentals etc does play a major factor in success or failure in the endeavor.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyMore complete nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Do room and board count as gaming losses?
Do you subtract vehicle expenses & clothing allowance from your gambling roll too?
Is your entire life a business?
Did anyone tell you that you've got a mean streak in you? Whatever the reason it's very unbecoming and getting old and completely unnecessary.
Are you throwing stones from inside a glass house?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Where do you get off counselling me?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoSox
Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
You need to learn how to read and reason you, stupid idiot.
Coach belly wrote:
"Where do you get off counselling me?"
That is clever of you coach implying that I directed that at you to gain favor with others when it was in fact taken from the thread started by Eliot on post #44 that was directed at blackhole. Sneaky of you.
Every time I check in here I am confused as to how some multi millionaire many times over has the time to worry about trying to prove a negative to a bunch of strangers on a forum. What a waste.....lol
Not to mention spending over a month in Vegas trying to chase down another 50k like some homeless bum investing a whole day to try and find another sprinkle for his cupcake.