KJ BJ expert?

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Not sure what I am trying outside of pointing out something I believe.

Curious what the others think? I believe that redietz is very much an expert. Kewl is also a bj expert ... just not at the level of redietz.

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I am moving this to a new thread out of respect to redietz so as not to hijack his entertaining thread/claim. So are you looking to hear what other knowledgable BJ players (of which there are few here) think, or just the membership including the troll majority? :D

JBJB last posted here 12/30/23. He is missed by me, even though we didn't always agree. Hopefully he is well and just fulfilling a now 2 year New years resolution to no longer post here.

But in his absence, there are 4 members, other than myself that I would describe as Blackjack professional level players. Understand the word "level". That would be:

1) Zenking. He played blackjack for a living here in Vegas for at least 8-10 years. I understand he may now have moved on to other AP plays, maybe still playing some BJ, maybe not. But he, despite that some don't like him, is most definitely a professional level BJ player. He could go back to playing blackjack for a living at any time he desired. He has the knowledge and skill.

2) Half Smoke. Half Smoke has revealed several times now that for 7+ years he counted cards in Atlantic City. I get the feeling it wasn't exactly recently, nor do I know if he did so professionally (probably not). But he has the knowledghe that he could have if he wanted.

3 & 4) MickeyCrimm and Axelwolf. Both have indicated that they did some card counting in their careers as part of a more well rounded advantage play attack. While I suspect neither did so exclusively for a living, for even a year or so, both certainly could have. Both have the knowledge to have succeeded as a professional card counter if they had desired to.

There have been a few others that have come and gone, Kim Lee, another guy that was here a short time that has asked me not to use his name on this forum. And a couple others that I am forgetting I am sure.

Moses and dawg intentionally not on the list. At the end of his life, Moses revealed he had made 100k over 10 years card counting in Reno. That is 10k a year. That is short of professional level to me. And Dawg has demonstrated zero real knowledge of card counting.

So of these 4 members who I consider professional Level card counters, and by the way if there is someone else that thinks they qualify, make your case, but of these 4, all 4 have at one time or another clearly expressed that I know what the fuck I am talking about with card counting. Two of them, Zenking and Half smoke have done so in the last 7 days.

I know this isn't what you want to hear acctinQ, but I have always said that the real card counter/BJ AP's have no doubts about me.

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Now not to make it a competition with redietz, but since you did exactly that acctinQ, how many professional level sports bettors are there on this forum? I don't know? Anyone want to make that claim? :confused:

I know there are a handful of professional level advantage players that do some sports betting as part of their advantage play repertoire (myself, axelwolf, mickeycrimm included), but it seems all of us have pretty big doubts about Mr Deitz's claims, particularly after he made some of his bizarre EV comments which he has doubled down and triple down on. No serious sports bettor, claiming to have made a living from sports betting can make and stand by those comments.

So that is my conclusion AcctinQ. I know it is not what you want to hear. You want to hear that the majority of this troll dominated forum, has strong doubts about me. No one cares what the trolls think. I care what the real players, who have proven themselves to be real APs with the knowledge, skill and experience that goes with that think, particularly the ones with BJ/card counting knowledge think. I am very satisfied with the results.

I didn't say you weren't an expert at blackjack.

I just don't think it takes much to be an expert in BJ. I think Redietz has a deeper and broader knowledge of all there is to know about CFB than you do about BJ.

You've barely even played outside of LV. What a bit of time in AC?

I also never said Redietz is an expert sports bettor. I said nothing about gambling in my original statement. Your counter-argument is addressing irrelevant issues.

Mdawg is probably about the same level of expert in baccarat as you are in blackjack. That doesn't mean that much though so calm the fuck down.

edit - A true experienced expert would just sit back in silence and let their results speak. Not trip over themselves waving around their hand yelling me me me me.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

Mdawg is probably about the same level of expert in baccarat as you are in blackjack. That doesn't mean that much though so calm the fuck down.

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Perhaps the single dumbest statement you have ever made. Mdawg is a losing gambler. If you need proof, the casinos have his records because he plays rated, so they KNOW he is a losing gambler. And that is why they comp him out the ass. Casinos comp losing players. THAT is the model. They don't comp players that have taken them for millions for years.

So please explain to all of us how someone can be an expert losing and long-time, long-term losing player? :confused: Next you will tell us Tasha is an expert player, or no offense to Alan's son, but you will tell us Alan was an expert player.

And really, it is the same exact thing with this Bob Dietz. If Dietz was or is such an expert college football bettor, why does he need other peoples money to make money? And this isn't just me saying Deitz is a tout and makes his money "selling" to other people. READ HIS WEBSITE. He laid it all out himself.

You really need to look up what a Professional player, gambler or advantage player is. You can't be an expert player if you are a losing (long-term) player. You can't be an expert player if you need to sell picks to make money.

Do you know what makes me an expert at blackjack. It isn't that I understand the game and the math. There are like a million people that understand the game and the math. The math hasn't changed in 60 years. Maybe slightly when the casino went to more decks, the player needed to change betting strategies slightly, but basically still the same math. And there are a ton of player that used to or tried to play for a living and now can't even sit down at a table. THAT is what makes me an expert. I KNOW how to play, win and be welcome to keep playing, supporting myself for 22 years now, 16 in Vegas.

If someone new to the game of BJ were to come to this site and sift through all the return-fire trolling and read only what I write about blackjack, they would have the knowledge to be not just a winning player, but a successful winning player for a long time. They might not have the mental disposition or bankroll to succeed. That I can't teach them, but they would have all the knowledge they needed to succeed. THAT is what makes me an expert at blackjack.

Dawg has probably lost 10 million in just the years he has been telling this little "adventure" and Redietz needs to sell picks to support himself. Expert players. Please! :cool: Mickeycrimm is an expert winning player/AP. Axelwolf is an expert player/AP. Zenking has become an expert blackjack player. Probably others that I am not all that familiar with what all they do. Dawg and redietz, NOT so much! Nor Singer! ;)

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Do you know what makes me an expert at blackjack. It isn't that I understand the game and the math. There are like a million people that understand the game and the math. The math hasn't changed in 60 years. Maybe slightly when the casino went to more decks, the player needed to change betting strategies slightly, but basically still the same math. And there are a ton of player that used to or tried to play for a living and now can't even sit down at a table. THAT is what makes me an expert. I KNOW how to play, win and be welcome to keep playing, supporting myself for 22 years now, 16 in Vegas.

If someone new to the game of BJ were to come to this site and sift through all the return-fire trolling and read only what I write about blackjack, they would have the knowledge to be not just a winning player, but a successful winning player for a long time. They might not have the mental disposition or bankroll to succeed. That I can't teach them, but they would have all the knowledge they needed to succeed. THAT is what makes me an expert at blackjack.

Dawg has probably lost 10 million in just the years he has been telling this little "adventure" and Redietz needs to sell picks to support himself. Expert players. Please! :cool:

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So you can still play because you've limited yourself to such a low hourly that casinos don't care enough to watch you? Maybe it isn't that you're an expert so much as you don't have anything else to do in life? Most people who have all these traits you list are also better off just getting a fucking job and making $100k. It isn't that hard to make $100k a year. When I was a kid yea sure but not in the past 10 years. Not once you hit 30 and apply yourself and aren't cursed as some sort of mongroid. I'm pretty sure the illegals I hired for a house remodel make more than that.

You have done it for so long because you play such meager/grind stakes and therefore that means you know oh-so-much. Give us a break, Kewl.

You're also an expert in the blackjack gaming machine bug. Funny, really. What an irony that is.

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

So you can still play because you've limited yourself to such a low hourly that casinos don't care enough to watch you? Maybe it isn't that you're an expert so much as you don't have anything else to do in life? Most people who have all these traits you list are also better off just getting a fucking job and making $100k. It isn't that hard to make $100k a year. When I was a kid yea sure but not in the past 10 years. Not once you hit 30 and apply yourself and aren't cursed as some sort of mongroid. I'm pretty sure the illegals I hired for a house remodel make more than that.

You have done it for so long because you play such meager/grind stakes and therefore that means you know oh-so-much. Give us a break, Kewl.

You're also an expert in the blackjack gaming machine bug. Funny, really. What an irony that is.

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This is more you talking shit you have no clue about. My max bet is between $800 and $1200 depending on the make-up of players at the table. My hourly is above $200. The only reason it is not higher is because I currently play more crowded situations where the game moves slower. THAT is the trade off I have made to the way I currently play. If you think casinos don't care enough about players playing with an advantage spreading these amounts and making a couple hundred dollars an hour, then honestly, I don't think you have EVER played blackjack in Las Vegas. You are embarrassing yourself with that kind of statement mate.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

So you can still play because you've limited yourself to such a low hourly that casinos don't care enough to watch you? Maybe it isn't that you're an expert so much as you don't have anything else to do in life? Most people who have all these traits you list are also better off just getting a fucking job and making $100k. It isn't that hard to make $100k a year. When I was a kid yea sure but not in the past 10 years. Not once you hit 30 and apply yourself and aren't cursed as some sort of mongroid. I'm pretty sure the illegals I hired for a house remodel make more than that.

You have done it for so long because you play such meager/grind stakes and therefore that means you know oh-so-much. Give us a break, Kewl.

You're also an expert in the blackjack gaming machine bug. Funny, really. What an irony that is.

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This is more you talking shit you have no clue about. My max bet is between $800 and $1200 depending on the make-up of players at the table. My hourly is above $200. The only reason it is not higher is because I currently play more crowded situations where the game moves slower. THAT is the trade off I have made to the way I currently play. If you think casinos don't care enough about players playing with an advantage spreading these amounts and making a couple hundred dollars an hour, then honestly, I don't think you have EVER played blackjack in Las Vegas. You are embarrassing yourself with that kind of statement mate.

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Is this the truth you've landed on after people started giving you shit for bragging about making a uhm lets say modest amount?

The best part though is this thing where you actually see having played blackjack in LV as some accomplishment when you don't realize everyone and their mother has played blackjack in LV, "mate". Now what're you, British or Australian?

I'll tell you what is weird. This is a gambling forum (or what is left of it). You seem to want to put down people making a living gambling and tell us all how much more successful you are outside of gambling. Shades of you know who. :rolleyes: Perhaps you need to find a forum about whatever it is you do outside of gambling and go there and share how successful you are.

This is a gambling forum and near as I can tell your great claim is that you multi-carded for a few months.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I'll tell you what is weird. This is a gambling forum (or what is left of it). You seem to want to put down people making a living gambling and tell us all how much more successful you are outside of gambling. Shades of you know who. :rolleyes: Perhaps you need to find a forum about whatever it is you do outside of gambling and go there and share how successful you are.

This is a gambling forum and near as I can tell your great claim is that you multi-carded for a few months.

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Haha - you were the one for many years ago bragged about your humble numbers. Now that people pointed out it isn't so great, you're betting $1k a hand.

Plenty of APs don't make 100k a year but at least they're out in the world and are able to ply their game at different times. Or from home. Or on the road. There is some adventure to it. Counting literally requires you constantly thinking about something that is a very monotonous process. Like .. waiting for hands in poker - you can at least diddle about on your phone. Sports betting done from home or researching stuff you like. Video poker is kinda a good sweat.

I even like playing blackjack but if I had to keep track of a count? hahaha - I really can't think of a form of gambling that'd make me want to shoot myself. Just sayin'

I don't see actual winning gamblers taking offense at the shit I say. They know it is true.

Maybe you need to find a forum that spew your marlarky, son.

ps - I've talked about my gambling experience in many other places. I only brought up multi-carding recently in context of you being so full of it. There was no claim to fame or anything else. You're just lyin' again. Lyin Kewl.

I have no idea what you have talked about at other places that I don't participate at. I only know what you talk about here and all of the sudden you seem to want to come here, a gambling forum and put down people that gamble for a living. Check that. Since you are not putting down Crimm, or Axelwolf or Druff or Zenking or anyone else that gambles for a living, apparently it is just me. Like I have known for a while, you have a bug up your ass about me and want to diminish what I have accomplished.

Now I have explained the change in how I play which occurred about 5 years ago. I played lower limits ($400 or so max bet) for about my first 10 years. The hourly wasn't all that much lower because I could get many, many more rounds an hour on average. Occasionally, I could get a heads up game with 400-600 rounds and hour that would be worth much much more.

The reason I switched from playing the local circuit and the $400 or so max bet was because I had suddenly gotten a number of entries in OSN, one very devastating entry. I knew it was going to require a much longer break than I usually took when I got into that kind of situation. So I completely re-invented myself and how I play, playing crowded condition in the shadow of larger bettors.

I clearly shared all this. If you chose not to read it, that is fine. But don't go making up bullshit like I changes because of other reasons.

And here is some advice for you: If you find keeping a count at blackjack as something as unpleasant that you would want to shoot yourself, then don't do it. Who is asking you to? Don't play blackjack for all I care. If you need your gambling to be fun, well that probably crosses from advantage play into degenerate gambling. Had this exact discussion with the late Alan, when he said counting cards would take the fun out of it. I gave him the same advise...."Then don't do it"

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

I have no idea what you have talked about at other places that I don't participate at. I only know what you talk about here and all of the sudden you seem to want to come here, a gambling forum and put down people that gamble for a living. Check that. Since you are not putting down Crimm, or Axelwolf or Druff or Zenking or anyone else that gambles for a living, apparently it is just me. Like I have known for a while, you have a bug up your ass about me and want to diminish what I have accomplished.

Now I have explained the change in how I play which occurred about 5 years ago. I played lower limits ($400 or so max bet) for about my first 10 years. The hourly wasn't all that much lower because I could get many, many more rounds an hour on average. Occasionally, I could get a heads up game with 400-600 rounds and hour that would be worth much much more.

The reason I switched from playing the local circuit and the $400 or so max bet was because I had suddenly gotten a number of entries in OSN, one very devastating entry. I knew it was going to require a much longer break than I usually took when I got into that kind of situation. So I completely re-invented myself and how I play, playing crowded condition in the shadow of larger bettors.

I clearly shared all this. If you chose not to read it, that is fine. But don't go making up bullshit like I changes because of other reasons.

And here is some advice for you: If you find keeping a count at blackjack as something as unpleasant that you would want to shoot yourself, then don't do it. Who is asking you to? Don't play blackjack for all I care. If you need your gambling to be fun, well that probably crosses from advantage play into degenerate gambling. Had this exact discussion with the late Alan, when he said counting cards would take the fun out of it. I gave him the same advise...."Then don't do it"

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Dipshit - I've been a poster on here for 6 years now with 1k posts a year. Yet you only remember what I posted 2 weeks ago? And you want to give me shit for having some number you present off a bit? My memory is far better than yours. You can't even get straight what people say in one single thread. I'm not sure how you could possibly count accurately

I'm not putting down those people. You're just too stupid to know better. I gambled for a living for many years. None of those guys are counters though. Thats the thing. You've given up all freedom with your claimed approach. Oh I guess Zenking is the one counter and boy lemme tell ya how happy and well adjusted that fine gentleman is.

So you're in OSN and so you upped your bet in this reinvention to counter your entry into OSN?

So you're right - I'm not counting cards. I'm just explaining to others who might think it is some cool/good idea. You have to be completely shithouse insane like Zenking (bless his heart) to find that a path worth choosing. He's clearly too much to work for other people - so I respect that. All these people you list though outside of him - none of them seem to fuck with counting cards.

Why is that?

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

. Oh I guess Zenking is the one counter and boy lemme tell ya how happy and well adjusted that fine gentleman is...
...You have to be completely shithouse insane like Zenking (bless his heart) to find that a path worth choosing.

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Dude, Zenking seems FAR saner and more well adjusted to me that YOU do. So he used to rant a little venting during times of negative variance, which blackjack card counting has many such periods. Nothing wrong with that. I have done that too. Maybe not as extreme as him, with the "everyone is out to get me shit", but nothing wrong with a little venting. EVERY professional or serious card counter will vent a little at times. A gambling forum is as good as any place.

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Originally Posted by mcap

You’re going into these elaborate logic chains that aren’t ALL that different from saying you couldn’t possibly count cards for a living in Las Vegas for over a decade….

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

None of those guys are counters though. Thats the thing.

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don't know why you would make a blatantly false statement like that
since you don't know me or know anything about me
not that I care what you think about me or my abilities
but your willingness to post something I know to be so obviously false is telling

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Originally Posted by Half Smoke

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

None of those guys are counters though. Thats the thing.

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don't know why you would make a blatantly false statement like that
since you don't know me or know anything about me
not that I care what you think about me or my abilities
but your willingness to post something I know to be so obviously false is telling

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Here is what is going on Half Smoke. AccountinQ has become one of the trolls on this forum. He didn't start out that way, but somewhere along the line he became one and aligned himself with Mdawg. They talk privately and accountinQ repeats dawg talking points and lies. They want the narrative to be that nobody believes anything I say or have claimed.

I have tried to tell them, that only the small, but vocal group of trolls doesn't believe me. That the real APs and especially card counters all know what I say is true, even without having met me, because frankly it just doesn't take that much to know or figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking.

So you and other real APs and knowledgeable card counters expressing that I know what I am talking about is the last thing they want to hear. And the only way to combat that is to then lie about and try to discredit you as well, which is what he did.

I keep fighting this battle against the trolls, but it is a battle we just can't win, as you can see because they will just lie about you too and anybody that says anything they don't want to hear or accept.

I do appreciate you weighing in, but don't let them drag you too far into it. Just not worth it.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

If Dietz was or is such an expert college football bettor, why does he need other peoples money to make money?

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Greed, for lack of a better word.

It's a business model, the same way any investment fund manager accepts other peoples' (investors) money.

Even the top advisors/managers, who are already billionaires, recruit and accept investors.

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

You are playing the coach belly role, making shit up

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I've never made anything up, if that's what you're implying. What shit did I make up?

On the other hand, your posting history speaks for itself when it comes to making shit up...

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Why is it not fair to mention Kim Lee? He has seen all the publications and added up dietz record and it is not enough to make any real money from.

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Originally Posted by Kim Lee

I wanted to support Bob (redietz) as a long-time handicapper who tried to play it straight by having Integrity Sports monitored. I don't know how he paid his rent in Vegas, but he could have mixed betting with touting, shopping numbers and playing promotions in town, perhaps booking some bets on the side. He could also have had other sources of money.

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Originally Posted by Kim Lee

I merely know of Redietz from studying old handicapper records.

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Originally Posted by Kim Lee

I don't know how Redietz handicapped in the 1980's or whether his early winning records were just luck.

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Originally Posted by MDawg

The truth is … UNKewlJ hasn’t spent 20 years playing blackjack. He’s spent 20 years trying to convince people that he’s been playing blackjack.

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Originally Posted by Half Smoke

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

None of those guys are counters though. Thats the thing.

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don't know why you would make a blatantly false statement like that
since you don't know me or know anything about me
not that I care what you think about me or my abilities
but your willingness to post something I know to be so obviously false is telling

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If you count professionally as your prime source of income that I was clearly wrong. I didn't even recall you being in the list. My point still stands regardless.

Yea, so telling .... don't be a moron.

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Originally Posted by coach belly

Greed, for lack of a better word.

It's a business model, the same way any investment fund manager accepts other peoples' (investors) money.

Even the top advisors/managers, who are already billionaires, recruit and accept investors.



I've never made anything up, if that's what you're implying. What shit did I make up?

On the other hand, your posting history speaks for itself when it comes to making shit up...

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Originally Posted by kewlJ

Why is it not fair to mention Kim Lee? He has seen all the publications and added up dietz record and it is not enough to make any real money from.

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Originally Posted by Kim Lee

I wanted to support Bob (redietz) as a long-time handicapper who tried to play it straight by having Integrity Sports monitored. I don't know how he paid his rent in Vegas, but he could have mixed betting with touting, shopping numbers and playing promotions in town, perhaps booking some bets on the side. He could also have had other sources of money.

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Originally Posted by Kim Lee

I merely know of Redietz from studying old handicapper records.

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Originally Posted by Kim Lee

I don't know how Redietz handicapped in the 1980's or whether his early winning records were just luck.

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Also fun. Say what you want about redietz and his abilities as a professional gambler but the dude seems to really truly enjoy what he does.

Contrast this to zenking and Kewl.

Counting cards decades ago doesn't really count for much. I know tons of people counted cards and fucked with it at some point in their life. Being a weekend warriors counter counts great. As a profession now? Lol

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Originally Posted by accountinquestion

I know tons of people counted cards and fucked with it at some point in their life. Being a weekend warriors counter counts great. As a profession now? Lol

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So a weekend warrior card counter is ok. But professional card counter is not, in your book.

I have news for you mate, for the last 4 years, I am both. :cool:

What comes through here is the massive arrogance of you. Telling people what to do or not to do to make a living. Or what is acceptable or not to you.