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Shouldn’t you be out protesting Tennessee starting to open up Red? And warning people we will have 18 more months of this coming? And that enjoying a Hamburger shouldn’t be the death of them?


https://fox17.com/news/local/many-te...aurant-waiting

And on topic, tell us any legitimate reason why you are taking a losing side trying to defend someone who won’t even admit who is. And lies to you and everyone daily?

You come off as what many of accusing Coach of, taking a position just for arguments sake.

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We'll be lucky if we have just 18 more months of this coming. But you don't have to worry. The president explained on April 20 that the total deaths from the pandemic will be 60,000. So by Friday, all the dying should stop cold.

Meanwhile, it speaks to the juvenile nature of this site that I have to point out the utter stupidity of making an argument that someone is an addict based on seeing them play video poker once in, what, 10 years? Mendelson could be the worst addict on the planet, but watching him play video poker once in a decade actually is evidence that he's not.

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You are right for once, I NEVER had to worry about this. I was at no more of a risk of dying from CV as I am from driving to the grocery store. It’s a hoax to the vast majority of us. You never seem to debate that, because it never fit your agenda.

18 months of what? Businesses being crushed, handouts being exploited, liberals praying for more death and destruction?

Here’s a thought, never leave your house again and you will be fine. While the rest of us make the decision to live our lives, or not and become a hermit like you.

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Originally Posted by The Boz

Shouldn’t you be out protesting Tennessee starting to open up Red? And warning people we will have 18 more months of this coming? And that enjoying a Hamburger shouldn’t be the death of them?


https://fox17.com/news/local/many-te...aurant-waiting

And on topic, tell us any legitimate reason why you are taking a losing side trying to defend someone who won’t even admit who is. And lies to you and everyone daily?

You come off as what many of accusing Coach of, taking a position just for arguments sake.

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We'll be lucky if we have just 18 more months of this coming. But you don't have to worry. The president explained on April 20 that the total deaths from the pandemic will be 60,000. So by Friday, all the dying should stop cold.

Meanwhile, it speaks to the juvenile nature of this site that I have to point out the utter stupidity of making an argument that someone is an addict based on seeing them play video poker once in, what, 10 years? Mendelson could be the worst addict on the planet, but watching him play video poker once in a decade actually is evidence that he's not.

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You are right for once, I NEVER had to worry about this. I was at no more of a risk of dying from CV as I am from driving to the grocery store. It’s a hoax to the vast majority of us. You never seem to debate that, because it never fit your agenda.

18 months of what? Businesses being crushed, handouts being exploited, liberals praying for more death and destruction?

Here’s a thought, never leave your house again and you will be fine. While the rest of us make the decision to live our lives, or not and become a hermit like you.

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I'm sure there were a few folks for whom the 1918 pandemic was a hoax. More power to them.

Let me know when (1) I get something wrong and (2) you come up with a mortality figure at which you believe people should have behaved differently to have saved lives. If you don't have a figure, well, I salute your sadism.

You do understand that you are arguing that liberals simply want people to die, and that it's a better thing to actively add to the total? Can't argue with that. I always wanted an 18-month span of playing Dexter. I guess many people have that psychotic side to them, including me, but I read enough Spider-Man comics as a kid to believe that with power comes responsibility, so I rein Dexter in whenever I can.

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We'll be lucky if we have just 18 more months of this coming. But you don't have to worry. The president explained on April 20 that the total deaths from the pandemic will be 60,000. So by Friday, all the dying should stop cold.

Meanwhile, it speaks to the juvenile nature of this site that I have to point out the utter stupidity of making an argument that someone is an addict based on seeing them play video poker once in, what, 10 years? Mendelson could be the worst addict on the planet, but watching him play video poker once in a decade actually is evidence that he's not.

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You are right for once, I NEVER had to worry about this. I was at no more of a risk of dying from CV as I am from driving to the grocery store. It’s a hoax to the vast majority of us. You never seem to debate that, because it never fit your agenda.

18 months of what? Businesses being crushed, handouts being exploited, liberals praying for more death and destruction?

Here’s a thought, never leave your house again and you will be fine. While the rest of us make the decision to live our lives, or not and become a hermit like you.

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I'm sure there were a few folks for whom the 1918 pandemic was a hoax. More power to them.

Let me know when (1) I get something wrong and (2) you come up with a mortality figure at which you believe people should have behaved differently to have saved lives. If you don't have a figure, well, I salute your sadism.

You do understand that you are arguing that liberals simply want people to die, and that it's a better thing to actively add to the total? Can't argue with that. I always wanted an 18-month span of playing Dexter. I guess many people have that psychotic side to them, including me, but I read enough Spider-Man comics as a kid to believe that with power comes responsibility, so I rein Dexter in whenever I can.

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You still won’t get over that 1918 thing will you? There is no figure, we know that any high risk person who leaves these house or invites others over is at risk. It’s their choice, period. They could die if they make the decision. As for the other 99.9% of us, there is next to ZERO risk other than getting stuck on the toilet using their “investments” in TP. What am I saying that is wrong? When were you Right?

As for the rest, Weird, Just Weird.

Remember, most people can’t run their business from their home like you can. And you never answered how much money your different companies and you personally have gotten from the various packages out there for the Unemployed and for struggling businesses. Also goes to credibility if you have a financial interest in this continuing.

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I'm sure there were a few folks for whom the 1918 pandemic was a hoax. More power to them.

Let me know when (1) I get something wrong and (2) you come up with a mortality figure at which you believe people should have behaved differently to have saved lives. If you don't have a figure, well, I salute your sadism.

You do understand that you are arguing that liberals simply want people to die, and that it's a better thing to actively add to the total? Can't argue with that. I always wanted an 18-month span of playing Dexter. I guess many people have that psychotic side to them, including me, but I read enough Spider-Man comics as a kid to believe that with power comes responsibility, so I rein Dexter in whenever I can.

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The figure I've seen for number of deaths per day in U.S. is 8700. That's 3 million people a year. Because of the shutdown the Covid19 deaths are offset by lower hwy. fatalities, workplace accidents, and even the regular flu.

Okay, for your getting something wrong. Your original predictions based on the early models was over 10 million cases and 2.2 million deaths. We've been through the worst of it and there are 3 million cases worldwide. So you are about 7 million shy. Of course the number will continue to climb but it looks to fall far short of 10 million.

Your 2.2 million number is off by at least 2.1 million.

Now, you said Montana would be peaking in June or July I can't remember which. We have had 449 cases since March 13. Thats an average of 10 new cases per day. I started keeping daily stats on April 1. Our first case was March 13 and by April 1 we had 204 cases. That was an average of 10.7 new cases per day. From April 1 to April 27 there were 245 new cases. That's an average of 9 new cases per day. But if you look at new cases for the last two weeks, just 150, that's an average of just 7 new cases per day. For the past week we have had just 12 new cases. That's an average of just 1.7 new cases per day. For the past 2 days we have had just 2 new cases. That's an average of 1 per day. As you can see the daily average has been steadily falling.

On Worldometers they also track the number of tests given in each state. On April 1 I divided the number of tests by the number of cases and it was 1 in 23. Yesterday, April 27, there was 1 new case in 253 tests.

So I think your prediction, redietz, that Montana would peak a month or so after New York is a little off. I think we peaked in late March/early April at 10.7 new cases per day. We are down to a dribble now.

The people of Montana are tired of the shutdown. We started opening back up on the 24th of April. On May 4th the bars and restaurants will reopen. Will we see an uptick in the number of new coronavirus cases? Maybe so.

But we will also see an uptick in hwy. fatalities, workplace accidents and cases of the common flu. For some reason those stats are not used for the case to continue the shutdown. Only the coronavirus is used. Whats up with that? We don't shut the country down because of hwy. deaths, workplace accidents, or the common flu.

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I'm sure there were a few folks for whom the 1918 pandemic was a hoax. More power to them.

Let me know when (1) I get something wrong and (2) you come up with a mortality figure at which you believe people should have behaved differently to have saved lives. If you don't have a figure, well, I salute your sadism.

You do understand that you are arguing that liberals simply want people to die, and that it's a better thing to actively add to the total? Can't argue with that. I always wanted an 18-month span of playing Dexter. I guess many people have that psychotic side to them, including me, but I read enough Spider-Man comics as a kid to believe that with power comes responsibility, so I rein Dexter in whenever I can.

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The figure I've seen for number of deaths per day in U.S. is 8700. That's 3 million people a year. Because of the shutdown the Covid19 deaths are offset by lower hwy. fatalities, workplace accidents, and even the regular flu.

Okay, for your getting something wrong. Your original predictions based on the early models was over 10 million cases and 2.2 million deaths. We've been through the worst of it and there are 3 million cases worldwide. So you are about 7 million shy. Of course the number will continue to climb but it looks to fall far short of 10 million.

Your 2.2 million number is off by at least 2.1 million.

Now, you said Montana would be peaking in June or July I can't remember which. We have had 449 cases since March 13. Thats an average of 10 new cases per day. I started keeping daily stats on April 1. Our first case was March 13 and by April 1 we had 204 cases. That was an average of 10.7 new cases per day. From April 1 to April 27 there were 245 new cases. That's an average of 9 new cases per day. But if you look at new cases for the last two weeks, just 50, that's an average of just 3.57 new cases per day. For the past 2 days we have had just 2 new cases. That's an average of 1 per day.

On Worldometers they also track the number of tests given in each state. On April 1 I divided the number of tests by the number of cases it was 1 in 23. Yesterday, April 27, there was 1 new case in 253 tests.

So I think your prediction, redietz, that Montana would peak a month or so after New York is a little off. I think we peaked in late March/early April at 10.7 new cases per day.

The people of Montana are tired of the shutdown. We started opening back up on the 24th of April. On May 4th the bars and restaurants will reopen. Will we see an uptick in the number of new coronavirus cases. Maybe so.

But we will also see an uptick in hwy. fatalities, workplace accidents and cases of the common flu. For some reason those stats are not used for the case to continue the shutdown. Only the coronavirus is used. Whats up with that? We don't shut the country down because of hwy. deaths, workplace accidents, or the common flu.

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Great logical post Mick! Will go right over Red’s head, doesn’t fit his agenda. While you don’t drink, this ones for you as I enjoy some American Freedom this morning.




And it didn’t spill!

Looks like a pretty good beer. And it looks like you are in an airport.

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Your 2.2 million number is off by at least 2.1 million.

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Mickey are you intentionally being misleading or failing to understand what occurred and what the options are? I hope it is the latter. We don't need another person intentionally misleading and twisting the facts.

Back in early March the model that is being used by Trump and the government showed 2 choices.

1.) we do nothing and 2.2 million people die.

2.) we shutdown and 60,000 to $100,000 people die. (the number was initially 100k and later revised to 60k)

So the decision (right or wrong) was to shut down. And having done so, the death rate slowed and it looks like it will come in right were projected between 60k and 100k, if we stay the course.

What you are doing is saying "see the model was wrong. It said 2.2 million deaths and we are only going to have 60-100k" The models were not wrong...they have been spot on. 2.2 million deaths if we did nothing! 60-100k if we shutdown.

Now it is more that fair to argue that we should not have shut down. That was my initial argument. You can say 2.2 million death is for lack of a better term "acceptable losses". But you can't take the reduced losses from shutting down and say that is why we shouldn't have shut down.

So by the way, I started a thread a while ago entitled "how does this end". I can't seem to find that thread. But it was after the decision to shutdown had been made and the premise was what then?

And that is where we are now....at the what now part.

again the initial choices were
1.) shut down and have 60-100k deaths or 2.) stay open and have 2.2 million deaths.

We chose the first and achieved or will achieve the results the model projected. But the question remains what now? How does this end? because unless I am missing something if you open up to as things were before the shutdown, you are right back tp the first model of 2.2 projected deaths. And maybe that is where we should have been all along, just accepting that is the outcome until we have a vaccine.

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Your 2.2 million number is off by at least 2.1 million.

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Mickey are you intentionally being misleading or failing to understand what occurred and what the options are? I hope it is the latter. We don't need another person intentionally misleading and twisting the facts.

Back in early March the model that is being used by Trump and the government showed 2 choices.

1.) we do nothing and 2.2 million people die.

2.) we shutdown and 60,000 to $100,000 people die. (the number was initially 100k and later revised to 60k)

So the decision (right or wrong) was to shut down. And having done so, the death rate slowed and it looks like it will come in right were projected between 60k and 100k, if we stay the course.

What you are doing is saying "see the model was wrong. It said 2.2 million deaths and we are only going to have 60-100k" The models were not wrong...they have been spot on. 2.2 million deaths if we did nothing! 60-100k if we shutdown.

Now it is more that fair to argue that we should not have shut down. That was my initial argument. You can say 2.2 million death is for lack of a better term "acceptable losses". But you can't take the reduced losses from shutting down and say that is why we shouldn't have shut down.

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KJ, you are the one that is intentionally misleading. Knock it off. You got your facts all twisted up. Par for the course. The number was reduced to 800K then later down to 200K then later down to 100K then later down to 60K.

Now, answer this question, KJ. The shutdown didn't save just lives from coronavirus. It lowered deaths from driving, workplace accidents, and the common flu and a host of other things. Redietz kept saying do the math. But he wasn't doing the math correctly and neither are you.

WHAT WAS THE NET LOSS OF LIVES DURING THE SHUTDOWN WHEN ALL THINGS ARE CONSIDERED, WHICH INCLUDES THOSE NOT KILLED DRIVING, NOT KILLED IN WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS OR KILLED FROM THE COMMON FLU, OR FROM OTHER THINGS THAT OCCUR WHEN THE ECONOMY IS GOING STRONG?

The 60K deaths we are at now is an inflated number. Drug overdoses have even been recorded as coronavirus deaths because of people who were positive for coronavisus when they overdosed.

NOT ONLY IS 60K DEATHS AN INFLATED NUMBER BECAUSE OF DEATHS FROM OTHER CAUSES BEING RECORDED AS CORONAVIRUS DEATHS IT ALSO DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LIVES SAVED BECAUSE OF LOWER HIGHWAY DEATHS, WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS, COMMON FLU, ETC., DURING THE SHUTDOWN.

You and redietz need to learn how to do the entire math, not just part of it....which is the part that fits your narrative.

When all is taken into consideration the 60K number is far to high.

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Now, answer this question, KJ. The shutdown didn't save just lives from coronavirus. It lowered deaths from driving, workplace accidents, and the common flu and a host of other things. Redietz kept saying do the math. But he wasn't doing the math correctly and neither are you.

WHAT WAS THE NET LOSS OF LIVES DURING THE SHUTDOWN WHEN ALL THINGS ARE CONSIDERED, WHICH INCLUDES THOSE NOT KILLED DRIVING, NOT KILLED IN WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS OR KILLED FROM THE COMMON FLU, OR FROM OTHER THINGS THAT OCCUR WHEN THE ECONOMY IS GOING STRONG?

The 60K deaths we are at now is an inflated number. Drug overdoses have even been recorded as coronavirus deaths because of people who were positive for coronavisus when they overdosed.

NOT ONLY IS 60K DEATHS AN INFLATED NUMBER IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LIVES SAVED BECAUSE OF LOWER HIGHWAY DEATHS, WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS, COMMON FLU, ETC.

When all is taken into consideration the 60K number is far to high.

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You are being ridiculous mickey. People that die from a drug overdose or a car accident are not being included in coronavirus deaths. That kind of talk is conspiracy theory stuff, just like the moon landing occurred in a studio in California.

BUT, whether intentional or not, you seem to fail to realize just what this virus does and how devastating it can be. It attacks different people in different ways. The common things are fever, and respiratory issues. But it can and does cause heart attacks by causing inflammation in the heart. It can cause strokes because covid-19 causes blood clots. It can cause liver and kidney conditions. And any of these organ failures can lead to death. So if someone dies of a heart attack or stroke or kidney failure caused by the virus, they should absolutely be counted as a covid-19 related death.

I mean technically every single death is heart failure. A persons heart stops beating and they die. But if a person shoots themselves in the head, causing the heart to stop, we don't call that heart failure do we? And if this virus causes a heart attack or a stroke, it is still the virus that killed them.

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What a tiny little hand you have, matches your tiny little...brain.

What's that a 10oz cup?

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Your 2.2 million number is off by at least 2.1 million.

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Mickey are you intentionally being misleading or failing to understand what occurred and what the options are? I hope it is the latter. We don't need another person intentionally misleading and twisting the facts.

Back in early March the model that is being used by Trump and the government showed 2 choices.

1.) we do nothing and 2.2 million people die.

2.) we shutdown and 60,000 to $100,000 people die. (the number was initially 100k and later revised to 60k)

So the decision (right or wrong) was to shut down. And having done so, the death rate slowed and it looks like it will come in right were projected between 60k and 100k, if we stay the course.

What you are doing is saying "see the model was wrong. It said 2.2 million deaths and we are only going to have 60-100k" The models were not wrong...they have been spot on. 2.2 million deaths if we did nothing! 60-100k if we shutdown.

Now it is more that fair to argue that we should not have shut down. That was my initial argument. You can say 2.2 million death is for lack of a better term "acceptable losses". But you can't take the reduced losses from shutting down and say that is why we shouldn't have shut down.

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If you'll note, kewlj, mickey didn't quote me as having said that because he couldn't find anywhere where I actually said it. He has repeated this several times, but it was THE PRESIDENT who used the 2.2 million figure, not me.

Mickey been doing this kind of stuff for awhile now.

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Your 2.2 million number is off by at least 2.1 million.

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Mickey are you intentionally being misleading or failing to understand what occurred and what the options are? I hope it is the latter. We don't need another person intentionally misleading and twisting the facts.

Back in early March the model that is being used by Trump and the government showed 2 choices.

1.) we do nothing and 2.2 million people die.

2.) we shutdown and 60,000 to $100,000 people die. (the number was initially 100k and later revised to 60k)

So the decision (right or wrong) was to shut down. And having done so, the death rate slowed and it looks like it will come in right were projected between 60k and 100k, if we stay the course.

What you are doing is saying "see the model was wrong. It said 2.2 million deaths and we are only going to have 60-100k" The models were not wrong...they have been spot on. 2.2 million deaths if we did nothing! 60-100k if we shutdown.

Now it is more that fair to argue that we should not have shut down. That was my initial argument. You can say 2.2 million death is for lack of a better term "acceptable losses". But you can't take the reduced losses from shutting down and say that is why we shouldn't have shut down.

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KJ, you are the one that is intentionally misleading. Knock it off. You got your facts all twisted up. Par for the course. The number was reduced to 800K then later down to 200K then later down to 100K then later down to 60K.

Now, answer this question, KJ. The shutdown didn't save just lives from coronavirus. It lowered deaths from driving, workplace accidents, and the common flu and a host of other things. Redietz kept saying do the math. But he wasn't doing the math correctly and neither are you.

WHAT WAS THE NET LOSS OF LIVES DURING THE SHUTDOWN WHEN ALL THINGS ARE CONSIDERED, WHICH INCLUDES THOSE NOT KILLED DRIVING, NOT KILLED IN WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS OR KILLED FROM THE COMMON FLU, OR FROM OTHER THINGS THAT OCCUR WHEN THE ECONOMY IS GOING STRONG?

The 60K deaths we are at now is an inflated number. Drug overdoses have even been recorded as coronavirus deaths because of people who were positive for coronavisus when they overdosed.

NOT ONLY IS 60K DEATHS AN INFLATED NUMBER BECAUSE OF DEATHS FROM OTHER CAUSES BEING RECORDED AS CORONAVIRUS DEATHS IT ALSO DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LIVES SAVED BECAUSE OF LOWER HIGHWAY DEATHS, WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS, COMMON FLU, ETC., DURING THE SHUTDOWN.

You and redietz need to learn how to do the entire math, not just part of it....which is the part that fits your narrative.

When all is taken into consideration the 60K number is far to high.

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Mickey, get real, dude. You're so far out in fantasyland, and you don't even realize how much of a whack job you're being.

The 60K is undoubtedly a significant undercount. It'll be easy to figure it out when we're clear of this. You take the normal death tolls for the previous four or five years, and then look at the spike, and the sleeper deaths due to COVID-19 will be evident. If any particular location has an established, consistent mortality going back several years, and almost all do, then the differences this year will be due to the virus.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Holy hell.

Jesus, mickey, the data is clear from other countries that the death toll "official count thus far" is a significant undercount. I'll dig up some links. There was an article about a week ago, and another one this week about how the international counts have spiked well beyond what is attributed officially to the virus. This stuff is done by medical demographers all the time; it's not new. Coroners usually have a sense of it, but the medical demographers will have it pinned down when this finished.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...ross-countries

The Economist is not exactly a lefty publication, by the way.

What if there never is an effective vaccine? There never has been one for past viruses of the coronavirus family or the common cold. What about the more likely scenario that a vaccine is only moderately effective like the 50% rate of the flu vaccine? Is everyone supposed to not be allowed to live their lives as they choose within reason for eternity?

The erosion of freedoms and basic rights from this mess without consent have been absolutely fucking ridiculous no matter how you want to try to justify it. With how many people willingly sign up to give it away without any concern for the future after this ends, it’s pretty clear America and it’s freedoms just ain’t what they used to be.

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Mickey are you intentionally being misleading or failing to understand what occurred and what the options are? I hope it is the latter. We don't need another person intentionally misleading and twisting the facts.

Back in early March the model that is being used by Trump and the government showed 2 choices.

1.) we do nothing and 2.2 million people die.

2.) we shutdown and 60,000 to $100,000 people die. (the number was initially 100k and later revised to 60k)

So the decision (right or wrong) was to shut down. And having done so, the death rate slowed and it looks like it will come in right were projected between 60k and 100k, if we stay the course.

What you are doing is saying "see the model was wrong. It said 2.2 million deaths and we are only going to have 60-100k" The models were not wrong...they have been spot on. 2.2 million deaths if we did nothing! 60-100k if we shutdown.

Now it is more that fair to argue that we should not have shut down. That was my initial argument. You can say 2.2 million death is for lack of a better term "acceptable losses". But you can't take the reduced losses from shutting down and say that is why we shouldn't have shut down.

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KJ, you are the one that is intentionally misleading. Knock it off. You got your facts all twisted up. Par for the course. The number was reduced to 800K then later down to 200K then later down to 100K then later down to 60K.

Now, answer this question, KJ. The shutdown didn't save just lives from coronavirus. It lowered deaths from driving, workplace accidents, and the common flu and a host of other things. Redietz kept saying do the math. But he wasn't doing the math correctly and neither are you.

WHAT WAS THE NET LOSS OF LIVES DURING THE SHUTDOWN WHEN ALL THINGS ARE CONSIDERED, WHICH INCLUDES THOSE NOT KILLED DRIVING, NOT KILLED IN WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS OR KILLED FROM THE COMMON FLU, OR FROM OTHER THINGS THAT OCCUR WHEN THE ECONOMY IS GOING STRONG?

The 60K deaths we are at now is an inflated number. Drug overdoses have even been recorded as coronavirus deaths because of people who were positive for coronavisus when they overdosed.

NOT ONLY IS 60K DEATHS AN INFLATED NUMBER BECAUSE OF DEATHS FROM OTHER CAUSES BEING RECORDED AS CORONAVIRUS DEATHS IT ALSO DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LIVES SAVED BECAUSE OF LOWER HIGHWAY DEATHS, WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS, COMMON FLU, ETC., DURING THE SHUTDOWN.

You and redietz need to learn how to do the entire math, not just part of it....which is the part that fits your narrative.

When all is taken into consideration the 60K number is far to high.

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Mickey, get real, dude. You're so far out in fantasyland, and you don't even realize how much of a whack job you're being.

The 60K is undoubtedly a significant undercount. It'll be easy to figure it out when we're clear of this. You take the normal death tolls for the previous four or five years, and then look at the spike, and the sleeper deaths due to COVID-19 will be evident. If any particular location has an established, consistent mortality going back several years, and almost all do, then the differences this year will be due to the virus.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Holy hell.

Jesus, mickey, the data is clear from other countries that the death toll "official count thus far" is a significant undercount. I'll dig up some links. There was an article about a week ago, and another one this week about how the international counts have spiked well beyond what is attributed officially to the virus. This stuff is done by medical demographers all the time; it's not new. Coroners usually have a sense of it, but the medical demographers will have it pinned down when this finished.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...ross-countries

The Economist is not exactly a lefty publication, by the way.

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What is it with your neurosis? Every time kew gets his little pee pee slapped (which, unfortunately, is often) you step in with the weirdest stuff possible trying to look like you know what you're saying. You rarely succeed.

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What a tiny little hand you have, matches your tiny little...brain.

What's that a 10oz cup?

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I probably shouldn’t even reply to your nonsense Coach but Fuck it, most here understand exactly what you are, and why you are here.

It was a picture in PERSPECTIVE.

Since the cup and the beer were 16oz, which is also a Pint if you didn’t know, it must mean I have huge hands.




How does it feel to realize the shithole state you are stuck in will be closed most of the summer due to the loser you elected as Governor? How about knowing your highest in the nation property taxes will only go up because of his choices? Your beaches will be closed to tourists and businesses will fail. And your buddy won’t be able to play in AC because Murphy is a pussy. All out of fear. Have a Great Summer Coach!

I only drink the quart sizes.

Still no answers from Red on how much government money Bob Dietz’s Integrity Sports applied for in lost business from the CV. Also no answer on if he is collecting Unemployment during this?

Goes to context on if he has a vested Financial interest in this. Or truly is just rooting for the death count to increase for another reason. Or is just still living in 1918, happy for the boys who survived the Mustard Gas and looking forward to Woodrow Wilson getting a 3rd term.

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Well granted my hands aren’t as large as yours would appear to be based on your claims!

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Mickey are you intentionally being misleading or failing to understand what occurred and what the options are? I hope it is the latter. We don't need another person intentionally misleading and twisting the facts.

Back in early March the model that is being used by Trump and the government showed 2 choices.

1.) we do nothing and 2.2 million people die.

2.) we shutdown and 60,000 to $100,000 people die. (the number was initially 100k and later revised to 60k)

So the decision (right or wrong) was to shut down. And having done so, the death rate slowed and it looks like it will come in right were projected between 60k and 100k, if we stay the course.

What you are doing is saying "see the model was wrong. It said 2.2 million deaths and we are only going to have 60-100k" The models were not wrong...they have been spot on. 2.2 million deaths if we did nothing! 60-100k if we shutdown.

Now it is more that fair to argue that we should not have shut down. That was my initial argument. You can say 2.2 million death is for lack of a better term "acceptable losses". But you can't take the reduced losses from shutting down and say that is why we shouldn't have shut down.

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If you'll note, kewlj, mickey didn't quote me as having said that because he couldn't find anywhere where I actually said it. He has repeated this several times, but it was THE PRESIDENT who used the 2.2 million figure, not me.

Mickey been doing this kind of stuff for awhile now.

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What about the more than 10 million cases predicted, redietz? Are you saying you didn't say that?

And you have made absolutely no comment here on the correct math of the situation, all deaths considered in the time frame of the shutdown, not just the coronavirus deaths. Why are you hiding from that? The 2.2 million is the only thing in my post you have disputed. That says a lot.

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Mickey are you intentionally being misleading or failing to understand what occurred and what the options are? I hope it is the latter. We don't need another person intentionally misleading and twisting the facts.

Back in early March the model that is being used by Trump and the government showed 2 choices.

1.) we do nothing and 2.2 million people die.

2.) we shutdown and 60,000 to $100,000 people die. (the number was initially 100k and later revised to 60k)

So the decision (right or wrong) was to shut down. And having done so, the death rate slowed and it looks like it will come in right were projected between 60k and 100k, if we stay the course.

What you are doing is saying "see the model was wrong. It said 2.2 million deaths and we are only going to have 60-100k" The models were not wrong...they have been spot on. 2.2 million deaths if we did nothing! 60-100k if we shutdown.

Now it is more that fair to argue that we should not have shut down. That was my initial argument. You can say 2.2 million death is for lack of a better term "acceptable losses". But you can't take the reduced losses from shutting down and say that is why we shouldn't have shut down.

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If you'll note, kewlj, mickey didn't quote me as having said that because he couldn't find anywhere where I actually said it. He has repeated this several times, but it was THE PRESIDENT who used the 2.2 million figure, not me.

Mickey been doing this kind of stuff for awhile now.

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What about the more than 10 million cases predicted, redietz? Are you saying you didn't say that?

And you have made absolutely no comment here on the correct math of the situation, all deaths considered in the time frame of the shutdown, not just the coronavirus deaths. Why are you hiding from that? The 2.2 million is the only thing in my post you have disputed. That says a lot.

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On the 10 Million cases in the United States, I wouldn’t be shocked we passed that already IF we tested everyone. Assuming the heavy population areas are underreported by 20-50 times actual, it’s easy to see we could be there already.

Unfortunately that doesn’t help their death rates, so we probably won’t hear anything about this possibility. And certainly not from Red.

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I wouldn’t be shocked we passed that already IF we tested everyone. Assuming the heavy population areas are underreported by 20-50 times actual, it’s easy to see we could be there already.
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This may very well be. And THAT would be very welcome news. Unfortunately, we can only know that with testing which so far isn't adequate or readily available. The antibody test that shows if someone had the virus and is now immune and so far just like the diagnostic test, the roll out is very slow and inefficient.

Feeling better now, I called my doctor this morning inquiring as to how and where I could get an antibody test. He directed my to a medical group in Henderson saying they were the only place in Las Vegas that he knew of that has received the test. So I called the medical group, Anthem Medical, and they were only scheduling tests for their patients, of which I am not one. :rolleyes:

So I called my Doc back and informed him of that and he asked why I wanted an antibody test? I told him to confirm that I was recovered from the virus and had the antibodies that hopefully offered some immunity. He said well if you are recovered then you have the antibodies. :rolleyes: Not exactly the scientific approach I was expecting from a doctor. :confused:

I also have read one of the ways they might open up is to have people that have recovered and have the antibodies to have a certificate or some sort of documentation stating that. Shades of Nazi Germany, where you have to show your papers. :( I guess I am supposed to say that my doctor says "I have recovered, so I have the antibodies". I am guessing that won't fly.

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Mickey, get real, dude. You're so far out in fantasyland, and you don't even realize how much of a whack job you're being.

The 60K is undoubtedly a significant undercount. It'll be easy to figure it out when we're clear of this. You take the normal death tolls for the previous four or five years, and then look at the spike, and the sleeper deaths due to COVID-19 will be evident. If any particular location has an established, consistent mortality going back several years, and almost all do, then the differences this year will be due to the virus.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Holy hell.

Jesus, mickey, the data is clear from other countries that the death toll "official count thus far" is a significant undercount. I'll dig up some links. There was an article about a week ago, and another one this week about how the international counts have spiked well beyond what is attributed officially to the virus. This stuff is done by medical demographers all the time; it's not new. Coroners usually have a sense of it, but the medical demographers will have it pinned down when this finished.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...ross-countries

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Comrade, great of you to tow the party line. The revolution needs you.

How did I already know you would poo poo averaging in lives saved from other causes because of the coronavirus shutdown? Well, RED, as in Commie Red, you sure like to post up links to articles that back up your narrative. Unfortunately, anyone can go online and cherry pick articles that back those claims. Now let's see. Weren't you putting up links to those sites you used for your wildly innaccurate early claims on coronavirus.

Official undercount? Fuck you! I'm tired of that libtard bullshit. Stick your undercount up your ass.

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What a tiny little hand you have, matches your tiny little...brain.

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Whatever you say little fella, but from this perspective it looks like it took your tiny little hands and matching pinhead 8 hours to drink one sip.

You're so hillbilly proud of ordering a Sierra Nevada that you took photos of the same beer from different angles to show your brokeback buddies in Frackville?

What grown man does that?

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I wouldn’t be shocked we passed that already IF we tested everyone. Assuming the heavy population areas are underreported by 20-50 times actual, it’s easy to see we could be there already.
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This may very well be. And THAT would be very welcome news. Unfortunately, we can only know that with testing which so far isn't adequate or readily available. The antibody test that shows if someone had the virus and is now immune and so far just like the diagnostic test, the roll out is very slow and inefficient.

Feeling better now, I called my doctor this morning inquiring as to how and where I could get an antibody test. He directed my to a medical group in Henderson saying they were the only place in Las Vegas that he knew of that has received the test. So I called the medical group, Anthem Medical, and they were only scheduling tests for their patients, of which I am not one. :rolleyes:

So I called my Doc back and informed him of that and he asked why I wanted an antibody test? I told him to confirm that I was recovered from the virus and had the antibodies that hopefully offered some immunity. He said well if you are recovered then you have the antibodies. :rolleyes: Not exactly the scientific approach I was expecting from a doctor. :confused:

I also have read one of the ways they might open up is to have people that have recovered and have the antibodies to have a certificate or some sort of documentation stating that. Shades of Nazi Germany, where you have to show your papers. :( I guess I am supposed to say that my doctor says "I have recovered, so I have the antibodies". I am guessing that won't fly.

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You know KJ, you think we are on “teams” here, but I don’t see that in every case. This is the 2nd post recently we mostly agreed upon. Hell I complimented Coach the other day and he cane right back at me. You are not stuck in your opinion no matter what unlike some on here. And I truly am glad you are finally feeling better and hopefully your brother is as well.

I believe your doctor is working off the best available information. But it probably doesn’t mean shit if a new strain comes in the fall. Again just speculation. But I’m of the belief many more than reported had it. If that’s an immunity for now, it’s incredible. Quest is now offering a $119 Antibodies test. We will probably get it for piece of mind unless a better option comes along. It’s a mail in test and I put a call into my doctor, awaiting a call back for when I return from a trip I am on. But it’s for us and certainly not for any certification or whatever they think they want to try.

As you know and can see I never was fearful of the CV, believe I had it and stayed away from everyone for 2 weeks after the symptoms. I’m a lunatic at times, but would never knowingly put anyone at risk. And it was 2 1/2 of the worst weeks of boredom in my life. And I never thought I was going to die, but if it was my time so be it. I look at life that way, tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. I worked too hard and missed too much for too many years to let this stop me.

And back to the bashing, it goes both ways. Red is calling Mickey a Whack Job, I’m calling Red a Fucking Moron and life goes on. Goes with the territory, we are all here by choice. At the end of the day we all go back to our lives and if this shit bothers anyone, you (Not you or anyone in particular) probably shouldn’t come here.

Here's where a few good insults are needed. Unfortunately, my dog needs a bath.

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What a tiny little hand you have, matches your tiny little...brain.

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Whatever you say little fella, but from this perspective it looks like it took your tiny little hands and matching pinhead 8 hours to drink one sip.

You're so hillbilly proud of ordering a Sierra Nevada that you took photos of the same beer from different angles to show your brokeback buddies in Frackville?

What grown man does that?

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Frackville? Is that a try at Doxxing me? Not even close but I do believe Red mentioned that town one time and I said I knew of it. It’s off 81 on my way North at times.

Again, no reason to even reply to you but it was an AIRPORT beer early this morning. And I had 2 $12 Sierra Nevada’s because I could and the options were limited. And I sure as hell enjoyed them because it was the closest to a beer in freedom I had in 6 weeks. I don’t drink at home, lost 13 pounds during this and missed a public beer.

And the answer to your last question, THIS grown man.

Always looking for a fight or argument Coach. As I say about others, Sad and Pathetic. But not unexpected.

I do not have big hands, BUT they are f****** hands of Steel, I will tell you that. I'll match them up against anybody just how much of a beating that they can take and just how powerful they are(obviously within reason, I'm not going to be a complete dumb ass idiot). I'm getting older and don't have much weight due to some stomach problems, so, I'm not much into fighting anymore, but if I land a punch, it's going to count.

I'll challenge anyone to a game of Mercy no matter how big, young and strong they are. I brought some pretty big guys to their knees(no homo) during a game of Mercy. Even at an unfair Advantage when they can actually lift you off the ground. I have never lost a game of Mercy, some have ended in ties obviously. I can pound nails nails concrete with my fists(okay, that's over exaggerating a bit)

I do know my dick size is well above average.

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You know KJ, you think we are on “teams” here, but I don’t see that in every case. This is the 2nd post recently we mostly agreed upon. Hell I complimented Coach the other day and he cane right back at me. You are not stuck in your opinion no matter what unlike some on here. And I truly am glad you are finally feeling better and hopefully your brother is as well.

I believe your doctor is working off the best available information. But it probably doesn’t mean shit if a new strain comes in the fall. Again just speculation. But I’m of the belief many more than reported had it. If that’s an immunity for now, it’s incredible. Quest is now offering a $119 Antibodies test. We will probably get it for piece of mind unless a better option comes along. It’s a mail in test and I put a call into my doctor, awaiting a call back for when I return from a trip I am on. But it’s for us and certainly not for any certification or whatever they think they want to try.

As you know and can see I never was fearful of the CV, believe I had it and stayed away from everyone for 2 weeks after the symptoms. I’m a lunatic at times, but would never knowingly put anyone at risk. And it was 2 1/2 of the worst weeks of boredom in my life. And I never thought I was going to die, but if it was my time so be it. I look at life that way, tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. I worked too hard and missed too much for too many years to let this stop me.

And back to the bashing, it goes both ways. Red is calling Mickey a Whack Job, I’m calling Red a Fucking Moron and life goes on. Goes with the territory, we are all here by choice. At the end of the day we all go back to our lives and if this shit bothers anyone, you (Not you or anyone in particular) probably shouldn’t come here.

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My brother is completely recovered, back to his normal self, for whatever that is worth. He is very content spending his whole life sitting in the living room, playing video games online. I am not a video gamer and hate being inside. For the first few weeks, I was outside. The first week on our boat, but then the marina closed. :( After that I was outside very day at Red rock hiking (which became very crowded) and I think they may have closed some of that down. One day my brother and I took a long bike ride, from where I live near the strip, through Henderson, picked up a trail that went right by Railroad Pass Casino to Boulder City (Nevada, not Colorado). That was a beautiful day and ride.

Unfortunately the last 3 weeks I have been forced to stay home. Much of that time I wasn't up to going out and now that I am, it hasn't been 7 days yet and I don't want to put anyone else in danger, although truth be told, I did sneak out last night on an Ice cream run. I took the steps rather than the elevator so as not to be near anyone and coming home, used the freight elevator. At CVS I used the self pay so as not to interact with the cashier.

So you know what my biggest gripe with you is today Boz? It was that Sierra Nevada beer picture. You couldn't have thrown a Pa transfer a bone and posted a picture Yuengling Lager. God I miss that beer. :( There are places in Vegas to get Tastykakes and there is Pop's cheezesteaks over on Decatur and Alta (pop being a south philly guy), but not a drop of Yuengling to be found around these parts. :mad:

You won’t find a Yuengling Lager (legally) west of the Mississippi. They have the original brewery in Pottstown and the one in Tampa they bought from Bud. They purchased a 3rd in Memphis with goal of moving west but my understanding is the water didn’t match up right and they passed on the project. I find it hard to believe with today’s technology they couldn’t adapt the water but that’s the story for now.

Way before your time but it’s like in the early 80’s when we only heard the legends about Coors. It was the stuff you wanted but when you got it you were like OK, why is this so hyped. To me Yuengling Lager is the same way. In my area it’s a domestic priced the same as BL, Bud, Coors Light, Miller Lite, etc. But it has a loyal following and almost a cult following like Chik Fil A. In Florida it’s on at almost every bar now but years ago it was priced as a Premium beer, like a craft.

We recently went through that with Fat Tire from New Belgium. They were not available on the EC until they build a factory in North Carolina. It had legendary status and a high price point until everyone could get it. Funny story is they came into PA, underestimated the loyalty Yuengling Lager has and tried to take tap placements. Saying customers would pay a premium for it. Naturally it failed and they had to try and go after craft taps and later sold out to a big conglomerate after proudly saying they were employee owned.

Anyways, that’s a rant on beer. And you really don’t have a similar alternative in Vegas. I did see this killed Joseph James yesterday. I hope my friends at Teneya Creek and Lovelady (Sin City) make it through this but I do see a lot of craft breweries not making it. It was a bubble ready to burst before this with too much product for the demand.

As for the Tastykakes, Ugh. Since they sold out and moved production from Philadelphia, it’s not the same. The old fresh, never frozen product has been replaced with a product similar to Twinkies.

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As for the Tastykakes, Ugh. Since they sold out and moved production from Philadelphia, it’s not the same. The old fresh, never frozen product has been replaced with a product similar to Twinkies.

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Yeah, I know....nothing stays the same. That's why you should always appreciate what you have today. In 10 years you will look back and say "these were the good old days". :)

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I do not have big hands, BUT they are f****** hands of Steel, I will tell you that. I'll match them up against anybody just how much of a beating that they can take and just how powerful they are(obviously within reason, I'm not going to be a complete dumb ass idiot). I'm getting older and don't have much weight due to some stomach problems, so, I'm not much into fighting anymore, but if I land a punch, it's going to count.

I'll challenge anyone to a game of Mercy no matter how big, young and strong they are. I brought some pretty big guys to their knees(no homo) during a game of Mercy. Even at an unfair Advantage when they can actually lift you off the ground. I have never lost a game of Mercy, some have ended in ties obviously. I can pound nails nails concrete with my fists(okay, that's over exaggerating a bit)

I do know my dick size is well above average.

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What is a game of "mercy"? Does it have something to do with your hands and your dick?

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I have edited this post because it is redundant - Boz already posted the availability of this test for anyone that wants to get it (I didn't read his post until after my unedited post).

Thanks Tableplay. I saw the story on the local news a couple hours ago and immediately went to the quest site. They have you fill out a questionnaire and I am not eligible for another week or so as you have to be 10 days post symptoms.

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Whatever you say little fella, but from this perspective it looks like it took your tiny little hands and matching pinhead 8 hours to drink one sip.

You're so hillbilly proud of ordering a Sierra Nevada that you took photos of the same beer from different angles to show your brokeback buddies in Frackville?

What grown man does that?

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Frackville? Is that a try at Doxxing me? Not even close but I do believe Red mentioned that town one time and I said I knew of it. It’s off 81 on my way North at times.

Again, no reason to even reply to you but it was an AIRPORT beer early this morning. And I had 2 $12 Sierra Nevada’s because I could and the options were limited. And I sure as hell enjoyed them because it was the closest to a beer in freedom I had in 6 weeks. I don’t drink at home, lost 13 pounds during this and missed a public beer.

And the answer to your last question, THIS grown man.

Always looking for a fight or argument Coach. As I say about others, Sad and Pathetic. But not unexpected.

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At least he is insulting you instead of playing his usual game of 60 Questions like the Fucktard he is

Wrong. Just spoke to a woman today. A friend of her died from cancer. They listed it as a Coronavirus death.

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That is the main positive to come out of this.

Coronavirus CURED Cancer.

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Still no answers from Red on how much government money Bob Dietz’s Integrity Sports applied for in lost business from the CV. Also no answer on if he is collecting Unemployment during this?

Goes to context on if he has a vested Financial interest in this. Or truly is just rooting for the death count to increase for another reason. Or is just still living in 1918, happy for the boys who survived the Mustard Gas and looking forward to Woodrow Wilson getting a 3rd term.

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Somebody on tilt here. Vested financial interest? Context? Half my people took enough of a stock market hit that they withdrew from gambling, mainly because nobody listens to me. It wasn't much of a prediction, but I told them it would crash between 3,000 and 10,000. Not rocket science. One guy lost two-thirds of his net non-real estate worth, and then is worried an offshore might go down and cost him 10K. Well, if you actually respect what I'm telling you, you might have saved 300K. People just prefer to believe want they prefer to believe.

For the record, never applied for unemployment in my life. I think I got heating assistance a particularly bad winter or two in State College in my 20's. Maybe $300 or $400 worth of fuel each winter. That was about it. I think I got the stimulus check for $1200 last week. Not sure -- don't keep that close tabs on my personal checking.

Not only don't I make any money, I lost a fair amount. I had San Diego State at 50-1 and 60-1 as a one or two seed for the NCAA tourney. Had Maryland, a likely two, at 25-1. Had BYU at 750-1. All refunds. Had the unbeaten Houston team in the XFL at +390 and +450 to win the title. Refunds, which I haven't yet gotten from LV.

Politics based primarily on self interest is what children do at recess.

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Redietz said: Meanwhile, it speaks to the juvenile nature of this site that I have to point out the utter stupidity of making an argument that someone is an addict based on seeing them play video poker once in, what, 10 years? Mendelson could be the worst addict on the planet, but watching him play video poker once in a decade actually is evidence that he's not.

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What if besides seeing him play you read hundreds of posts by Mendelson detailing his video poker play at various casinos? This is what you left out, redietz even though you read those posts. We all read those posts. I'm of the conclusion that Alan is an addicted gambler and I've never seen him play.

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Wrong. Just spoke to a woman today. A friend of her died from cancer. They listed it as a Coronavirus death.

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If she died of cancer the hospital gets nothing from the feds. If she died of coronavirus the hospital gets 1.2 million from the feds. More than enough incentive to get them to pencil the death stats.

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Still no answers from Red on how much government money Bob Dietz’s Integrity Sports applied for in lost business from the CV. Also no answer on if he is collecting Unemployment during this?

Goes to context on if he has a vested Financial interest in this. Or truly is just rooting for the death count to increase for another reason. Or is just still living in 1918, happy for the boys who survived the Mustard Gas and looking forward to Woodrow Wilson getting a 3rd term.

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Somebody on tilt here. Vested financial interest? Context? Half my people took enough of a stock market hit that they withdrew from gambling, mainly because nobody listens to me. It wasn't much of a prediction, but I told them it would crash between 3,000 and 10,000. Not rocket science. One guy lost two-thirds of his net non-real estate worth, and then is worried an offshore might go down and cost him 10K. Well, if you actually respect what I'm telling you, you might have saved 300K. People just prefer to believe want they prefer to believe.

For the record, never applied for unemployment in my life. I think I got heating assistance a particularly bad winter or two in State College in my 20's. Maybe $300 or $400 worth of fuel each winter. That was about it. I think I got the stimulus check for $1200 last week. Not sure -- don't keep that close tabs on my personal checking.

Not only don't I make any money, I lost a fair amount. I had San Diego State at 50-1 and 60-1 as a one or two seed for the NCAA tourney. Had Maryland, a likely two, at 25-1. Had BYU at 750-1. All refunds. Had the unbeaten Houston team in the XFL at +390 and +450 to win the title. Refunds, which I haven't yet gotten from LV.

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The people that lost in the market are the ones that sold. In my 67 years on the planet I've never seen a market that didn't recover then go even higher.

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Still no answers from Red on how much government money Bob Dietz’s Integrity Sports applied for in lost business from the CV. Also no answer on if he is collecting Unemployment during this?

Goes to context on if he has a vested Financial interest in this. Or truly is just rooting for the death count to increase for another reason. Or is just still living in 1918, happy for the boys who survived the Mustard Gas and looking forward to Woodrow Wilson getting a 3rd term.

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Somebody on tilt here. Vested financial interest? Context? Half my people took enough of a stock market hit that they withdrew from gambling, mainly because nobody listens to me. It wasn't much of a prediction, but I told them it would crash between 3,000 and 10,000. Not rocket science. One guy lost two-thirds of his net non-real estate worth, and then is worried an offshore might go down and cost him 10K. Well, if you actually respect what I'm telling you, you might have saved 300K. People just prefer to believe want they prefer to believe.

For the record, never applied for unemployment in my life. I think I got heating assistance a particularly bad winter or two in State College in my 20's. Maybe $300 or $400 worth of fuel each winter. That was about it. I think I got the stimulus check for $1200 last week. Not sure -- don't keep that close tabs on my personal checking.

Not only don't I make any money, I lost a fair amount. I had San Diego State at 50-1 and 60-1 as a one or two seed for the NCAA tourney. Had Maryland, a likely two, at 25-1. Had BYU at 750-1. All refunds. Had the unbeaten Houston team in the XFL at +390 and +450 to win the title. Refunds, which I haven't yet gotten from LV.

Politics based primarily on self interest is what children do at recess.

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The people that lost in the market are the ones that sold. In my 67 years on the planet I've never seen a market that didn't recover then go even higher.

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100% correct. It was an opportunity to add to long term positions at a lower cost. Unless you believed the market would become worthless, then money wouldn’t matter.

I personally bought a good deal of Apple on the way down at $280 thinking it was a bargain and have the records to show it. I looked like an idiot when it dropped to less than $250 as I bought too soon. It’s now back to $310 as of yesterday.

No one knows the exact bottom, but good quality investments will always go up over time. There may be future fluctuations in the market but it’s never a bad time in invest. Too many miss that opportunity, and with so many new apps that allow individuals to buy any amount, anyone can invest even their spare change.

No excuses anymore.

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Still no answers from Red on how much government money Bob Dietz’s Integrity Sports applied for in lost business from the CV. Also no answer on if he is collecting Unemployment during this?

Goes to context on if he has a vested Financial interest in this. Or truly is just rooting for the death count to increase for another reason. Or is just still living in 1918, happy for the boys who survived the Mustard Gas and looking forward to Woodrow Wilson getting a 3rd term.

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Somebody on tilt here. Vested financial interest? Context? Half my people took enough of a stock market hit that they withdrew from gambling, mainly because nobody listens to me. It wasn't much of a prediction, but I told them it would crash between 3,000 and 10,000. Not rocket science. One guy lost two-thirds of his net non-real estate worth, and then is worried an offshore might go down and cost him 10K. Well, if you actually respect what I'm telling you, you might have saved 300K. People just prefer to believe want they prefer to believe.

For the record, never applied for unemployment in my life. I think I got heating assistance a particularly bad winter or two in State College in my 20's. Maybe $300 or $400 worth of fuel each winter. That was about it. I think I got the stimulus check for $1200 last week. Not sure -- don't keep that close tabs on my personal checking.

Not only don't I make any money, I lost a fair amount. I had San Diego State at 50-1 and 60-1 as a one or two seed for the NCAA tourney. Had Maryland, a likely two, at 25-1. Had BYU at 750-1. All refunds. Had the unbeaten Houston team in the XFL at +390 and +450 to win the title. Refunds, which I haven't yet gotten from LV.

Politics based primarily on self interest is what children do at recess.

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Welcome back RED. I’ll hit on a few of them.

The majority of people vote their own self interest. Always has been that way and rightfully so, always will be.

Thanks for the clarification on you getting UC. How about any business grants or loans that are available? You skipped over that one.

Tilt? Nope, just being proven right this hoax is finally being exposed. The old and those with pre existing conditions were the only ones at risk. Sure it sucks for them and their families, but most of us were NEVER at risk as many of us said all along.

As for all your potential “winning” tickets, never miss an opportunity to push your handicapping prowess.

And the idiot, yes idiot who lost 2/3 of his non RE net worth was obviously over leveraged or didn’t diversify.

So they withdrew from gambling because they lost in the stock market? Sounds like BS to me, most of the market is back and they didn’t have anything to bet on during this since the books have been closed for months. Unless of course they just told you this when you asked for 2020 fees for football.

“Hey guys, I’m working hard through this and see huge opportunities upcoming. Can you send me the first payment on this years picks? I see a great season coming, I’m already analyzing Free Agency and the draft and we can’t lose!”

It’s crashing all around you RED, and honestly it’s sad to see.

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Still no answers from Red on how much government money Bob Dietz’s Integrity Sports applied for in lost business from the CV. Also no answer on if he is collecting Unemployment during this?

Goes to context on if he has a vested Financial interest in this. Or truly is just rooting for the death count to increase for another reason. Or is just still living in 1918, happy for the boys who survived the Mustard Gas and looking forward to Woodrow Wilson getting a 3rd term.

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Somebody on tilt here. Vested financial interest? Context? Half my people took enough of a stock market hit that they withdrew from gambling, mainly because nobody listens to me. It wasn't much of a prediction, but I told them it would crash between 3,000 and 10,000. Not rocket science. One guy lost two-thirds of his net non-real estate worth, and then is worried an offshore might go down and cost him 10K. Well, if you actually respect what I'm telling you, you might have saved 300K. People just prefer to believe want they prefer to believe.

For the record, never applied for unemployment in my life. I think I got heating assistance a particularly bad winter or two in State College in my 20's. Maybe $300 or $400 worth of fuel each winter. That was about it. I think I got the stimulus check for $1200 last week. Not sure -- don't keep that close tabs on my personal checking.

Not only don't I make any money, I lost a fair amount. I had San Diego State at 50-1 and 60-1 as a one or two seed for the NCAA tourney. Had Maryland, a likely two, at 25-1. Had BYU at 750-1. All refunds. Had the unbeaten Houston team in the XFL at +390 and +450 to win the title. Refunds, which I haven't yet gotten from LV.

Politics based primarily on self interest is what children do at recess.

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Welcome back RED. I’ll hit on a few of them.

The majority of people vote their own self interest. Always has been that way and rightfully so, always will be.

Thanks for the clarification on you getting UC. How about any business grants or loans that are available? You skipped over that one.

Tilt? Nope, just being proven right this hoax is finally being exposed. The old and those with pre existing conditions were the only ones at risk. Sure it sucks for them and their families, but most of us were NEVER at risk as many of us said all along.

As for all your potential “winning” tickets, never miss an opportunity to push your handicapping prowess.

And the idiot, yes idiot who lost 2/3 of his non RE net worth was obviously over leveraged or didn’t diversify.

So they withdrew from gambling because they lost in the stock market? Sounds like BS to me, most of the market is back and they didn’t have anything to bet on during this since the books have been closed for months. Unless of course they just told you this when you asked for 2020 fees for football.

“Hey guys, I’m working hard through this and see huge opportunities upcoming. Can you send me the first payment on this years picks? I see a great season coming, I’m already analyzing Free Agency and the draft and we can’t lose!”

It’s crashing all around you RED, and honestly it’s sad to see.

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It was never a common opinion that this was a threat to healthy people. The idea was to not overload the healthcare system by having it all go full-force unabated.

Nice argument you've made up to win.