Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
Your 2.2 million number is off by at least 2.1 million.
Mickey are you intentionally being misleading or failing to understand what occurred and what the options are? I hope it is the latter. We don't need another person intentionally misleading and twisting the facts.

Back in early March the model that is being used by Trump and the government showed 2 choices.

1.) we do nothing and 2.2 million people die.

2.) we shutdown and 60,000 to $100,000 people die. (the number was initially 100k and later revised to 60k)

So the decision (right or wrong) was to shut down. And having done so, the death rate slowed and it looks like it will come in right were projected between 60k and 100k, if we stay the course.

What you are doing is saying "see the model was wrong. It said 2.2 million deaths and we are only going to have 60-100k" The models were not wrong...they have been spot on. 2.2 million deaths if we did nothing! 60-100k if we shutdown.

Now it is more that fair to argue that we should not have shut down. That was my initial argument. You can say 2.2 million death is for lack of a better term "acceptable losses". But you can't take the reduced losses from shutting down and say that is why we shouldn't have shut down.
KJ, you are the one that is intentionally misleading. Knock it off. You got your facts all twisted up. Par for the course. The number was reduced to 800K then later down to 200K then later down to 100K then later down to 60K.

Now, answer this question, KJ. The shutdown didn't save just lives from coronavirus. It lowered deaths from driving, workplace accidents, and the common flu and a host of other things. Redietz kept saying do the math. But he wasn't doing the math correctly and neither are you.

WHAT WAS THE NET LOSS OF LIVES DURING THE SHUTDOWN WHEN ALL THINGS ARE CONSIDERED, WHICH INCLUDES THOSE NOT KILLED DRIVING, NOT KILLED IN WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS OR KILLED FROM THE COMMON FLU, OR FROM OTHER THINGS THAT OCCUR WHEN THE ECONOMY IS GOING STRONG?

The 60K deaths we are at now is an inflated number. Drug overdoses have even been recorded as coronavirus deaths because of people who were positive for coronavisus when they overdosed.

NOT ONLY IS 60K DEATHS AN INFLATED NUMBER BECAUSE OF DEATHS FROM OTHER CAUSES BEING RECORDED AS CORONAVIRUS DEATHS IT ALSO DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LIVES SAVED BECAUSE OF LOWER HIGHWAY DEATHS, WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS, COMMON FLU, ETC., DURING THE SHUTDOWN.

You and redietz need to learn how to do the entire math, not just part of it....which is the part that fits your narrative.

When all is taken into consideration the 60K number is far to high.