Olive Branch to Mickey

You know, mickey, I have always defended your lifestyle, goals, and accomplishments. Why you think you've become some sports betting semi-expert is beyond me.

I'll be in Las Vegas several times in the next few months if you want to get together. You can put together a list of 20 or 25 questions and I'll answer them extemporaneously. I'll basically explain why you're wrong about most things. If you want to bring a video guy, that's fine. At some point, I'll have a young documentary filmmaker with me, but probably not until July. So if you want to put it on film, cool, or if you want me to arrange it, that works also.

I have a handful of interesting projects the next so many months, so I don't really have time to read the repetitive junk on this forum on an ongoing basis. A script of mine has been validated for The Gangster Chronicles, which are true stories, and I'll be working on a couple more.

Meanwhile, I just discovered that a bookmaker from my youth is the subject of a film in a production pipeline. Evidently, another acquaintance I hadn't seen in 40 years is one of the people putting it together.

I can be reached at IntegritySports@aol.com.

Have a good one.

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You can put together a list of 20 or 25 questions and I'll answer them extemporaneously. I'll basically explain why you're wrong about most things.

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He knows you're wrong before you ask the questions...

This whole I wont answer questions except in person in Las Vegas sure sounds like Singer.

Calling this an "olive branch" is disingenuous. Anyone reading it immediately sees it as an embellished CV from someone applying for some sort of job. A simple but shameless move by redietz to try and salvage some dignity out of the mess he's made of himself in the last few months.....while ALWAYS needing to be arrogant in the process.

At last however, he recognized that demeaning someone like mickey over a gambling issue isn't helping his brand.

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This whole I wont answer questions except in person in Las Vegas sure sounds like Singer.

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That's odd. When red wanted to ask me a bunch of questions in an interview by meeting me "anywhere in the country I chose" I set the meet up in Maine. He never showed.

Young documentary film maker aka some kid off craigslist getting a full hundo a day to follow redietz around with their phone cam.

Is it trolling if you're not doing anything intentional?

The AOL address is a nice touch.

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You know, mickey, I have always defended your lifestyle, goals, and accomplishments. Why you think you've become some sports betting semi-expert is beyond me.

I'll be in Las Vegas several times in the next few months if you want to get together. You can put together a list of 20 or 25 questions and I'll answer them extemporaneously. I'll basically explain why you're wrong about most things. If you want to bring a video guy, that's fine. At some point, I'll have a young documentary filmmaker with me, but probably not until July. So if you want to put it on film, cool, or if you want me to arrange it, that works also.

I have a handful of interesting projects the next so many months, so I don't really have time to read the repetitive junk on this forum on an ongoing basis. A script of mine has been validated for The Gangster Chronicles, which are true stories, and I'll be working on a couple more.

Meanwhile, I just discovered that a bookmaker from my youth is the subject of a film in a production pipeline. Evidently, another acquaintance I hadn't seen in 40 years is one of the people putting it together.

I can be reached at IntegritySports@aol.com.

Have a good one.

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Fuck all that.
Let's go out to the desert and shoot all my guns.
I haven't even taken them out of their cases for 2 years!

As you can see redietz is just going to continue with his intransigence. He's on a vendetta. The insecurity is glaringly apparent. Sports betting semi-expert? Strawman.

I won't be in Las Vegas. I never go to Las Vegas and I made that clear on this forum and in GWAE interviews. But we have an easily available forum right here that redietz could answer questions at his leisure. The problem is he has been asked many questions by members here and he won't answer them. He repeatedly ignores questions. Redietz, you don't even have to put your pants on to answer questions on the internet. Why the fuck would you want to travel 2000 miles to answer a set of questions? It's stupid.

I think what we have here is an egomaniac.

From what I've seen so far on sportsbetting I think it is rather easy to show a profit. Axel certainly agree's. I think others here do to. Rob did a pretty good job on the NFL this year. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence that applies themselves can do it. I think it is so easy a hobo can do it. I think that is what redietz is afraid of. God forbid a hobo easily figures out sports betting. That would shatter redietz whole world.

As you can see redietz is just going to continue with his intransigence. He's on a vendetta. The insecurity is glaringly apparent. Sports betting semi-expert? Strawman.

I won't be in Las Vegas. I never go to Las Vegas and I made that clear on this forum and in GWAE interviews. But we have an easily available forum right here that redietz could answer questions at his leisure. The problem is he has been asked many questions by members here and he won't answer them. He repeatedly ignores questions. Redietz, you don't even have to put your pants on to answer questions on the internet. Why the fuck would you want to travel 2000 miles to answer a set of questions? It's stupid.

I think what we have here is an egomaniac.

From what I've seen so far on sportsbetting I think it is rather easy to show a profit. Axel certainly agree's. I think others here do to. Rob did a pretty good job on the NFL this year. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence that applies themselves can do it. I think it is so easy a hobo can do it. I think that is what redietz is afraid of. God forbid a hobo easily figures out sports betting. That would shatter redietz whole world.

Olive branch? Red is trying to slip a snake in my pocket then ask me for a match.

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I won't be in Las Vegas. I never go to Las Vegas and I made that clear on this forum and in GWAE interviews.

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Yes you have made that clear on this forum for years.

ditz's reading comprehension has really declined in the 50 years since he was tested at Chamberpott PA HS.

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As you can see redietz is just going to continue with his intransigence. He's on a vendetta. The insecurity is glaringly apparent. Sports betting semi-expert? Strawman.

I won't be in Las Vegas. I never go to Las Vegas and I made that clear on this forum and in GWAE interviews. But we have an easily available forum right here that redietz could answer questions at his leisure. The problem is he has been asked many questions by members here and he won't answer them. He repeatedly ignores questions. Redietz, you don't even have to put your pants on to answer questions on the internet. Why the fuck would you want to travel 2000 miles to answer a set of questions? It's stupid.

I think what we have here is an egomaniac.

From what I've seen so far on sportsbetting I think it is rather easy to show a profit. Axel certainly agree's. I think others here do to. Rob did a pretty good job on the NFL this year. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence that applies themselves can do it. I think it is so easy a hobo can do it. I think that is what redietz is afraid of. God forbid a hobo easily figures out sports betting. That would shatter redietz whole world.

Olive branch? Red is trying to slip a snake in my pocket then ask me for a match.

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Mickeycrimm, you have turned into a real piece of shit! You may be a great AP, maybe one of the very top machine AP's ever, but on these forums you have turned into nothing but a troll and bully.

This shit with redietz isn't about you wanting to get to the bottom of anything, nor wanting to learn all you can about sports betting as you claim. It is about one thing and one thing only and that is you trying to take down redietz because he made that stupid comment equating receiving social security to collecting welfare. That is the precise moment you turned your guns on redietz. You famously said that anyone that trolls or attacks you, you will troll and attack back twice as hard (or something to that effect). And that is all this is.

So don't give us this shit about what a great guy you are wanting to get to the bottom of this, when you rarely say a word about other people like Mdawg and actually defend and attack others on behalf of Rob Singer, the single biggest egomaniac ever on gambling forums. You also don't say shit when people like Singer lie about me, or seedvalue claiming the male prostitute bullshit. So don't give us this bullshit about how you want to get to the bottom and learn all you can.

You are now a fucking lying piece of shit, troll, just the same as your "best friend" Singer has been for decades.

There can and maybe should be a legitimate discussion about redietz and what he does, which is clearly different than some other handicappers or sports better (handicapping vs the AP type math +EV plays is actually one of those differences). But what you are doing and have been doing for a month isn't about that.

When I joined this forum, at mickeycrimm's suggestion, there was a group of people, all full of shit and lying and trolling, that mickey labeled "confederacy of dunces". These were people like Rob Singer, coach belly, Blackhole, and a few others. These are the very people mickeycrimm has now aligned himself with. He does their bidding and lies and attacks with and for them.

I don't know if it was the heart attack or what as it was about that time, but mickeycrimm has definitely changed in the last few years. At least as far as these forums go, he just wants to lie and troll and be part of the asshole club.

And this is not about taking Redeitz side. I think Redeitz has some things to answer for and explain and I have expressed that. But that kind of legitimate discussion is not what this has turned into. It has turned into just another hate fueled, lying trollfest, because some people here have decided they don't like him or like something he said. And THAT is fucked up.

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And this is not about taking Redeitz side. I think Redeitz has some things to answer for and explain and I have expressed that. But that kind of legitimate discussion is not what this has turned into. It has turned into just another hate fueled, lying trollfest, because some people here have decided they don't like him or like something he said. And THAT is fucked up.

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Redietz is never going to explain a damn thing. All he can do is spit out childish insults like everyone else. You are taking Redietz's side. You're also being everything you claim to not be. You could argue that Mickey is not posting in good faith but nothing in this thread suggests he is a "piece of shit". I can't begin you can be so fucking stuck in your own little world that you somehow can't see how big of a hypocrite you yourself are.

Now grow up and take a sip of your mother's milk out of Redietz's 30 year old penny loafers.

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When I joined this forum, at mickeycrimm's suggestion, there was a group of people, all full of shit and lying and trolling, that mickey labeled "confederacy of dunces".

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"A Confederacy of Dunces" is a great American novel; the author (John Kennedy Toole) wrote it out in cursive on legal pads then killed himself;

Hid mother shopped it around, nobody was interested ... until a decade later a professor glanced at it and quickly realized "Holy shit, this is good."

Highly recommended.

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You could argue that Mickey is not posting in good faith but nothing in this thread suggests he is a "piece of shit". I can't begin you can be so fucking stuck in your own little world that you somehow can't see how big of a hypocrite you yourself are.

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"not posting in good faith"? Isn't that sweet. Would that work for people that lie under oath and are charged with perjury? hey I was just not speaking in good faith. :D

Dude, you can question or challenge someone without all the name calling, attempting to discredit them. You can even not like someone and still that isn't necessary.

The people I have challenged, Singer, Mdawg, The guy on Norm's blackjack forum, even Moses, I challenged on merit of what they were claiming. Things like progressive wagering and special plays, or winning every session (some 52 in a row), or 60 straight hands at blackjack (mDawg), or winning for 2 solid years playing high limit rooms, playing every day in Las Vegas, which is NOT how Vegas works. Or the guy at Norm's forum claiming a 5% advantage from card counting (impossible) or even moses, who claimed professional play in sweaty Reno of all places. At no point did I need to lie about their claims.

Now yes, each of these people (with the exception of T3) responded with lies, trolling and attacks because that is all they had. They can't answer the legitimate challenges so they attack, and at some point, I have fought back with some trolling. But if you are challenging someone, as I have done with these guys, and mickey is now doing with redietz, that challenge should not be based on non-truths or as you put it "not posting in good faith". If that is all a person has as far as challenging or questioning something, then they really have nothing.

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You could argue that Mickey is not posting in good faith but nothing in this thread suggests he is a "piece of shit". I can't begin you can be so fucking stuck in your own little world that you somehow can't see how big of a hypocrite you yourself are.

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"not posting in good faith"? Isn't that sweet. Would that work for people that lie under oath and are charged with perjury? hey I was just not speaking in good faith. :D

Dude, you can question or challenge someone without all the name calling, attempting to discredit them. You can even not like someone and still that isn't necessary.

The people I have challenged, Singer, Mdawg, The guy on Norm's blackjack forum, even Moses, I challenged on merit of what they were claiming. Things like progressive wagering and special plays, or winning every session (some 52 in a row), or 60 straight hands at blackjack (mDawg), or winning for 2 solid years playing high limit rooms, playing every day in Las Vegas, which is NOT how Vegas works. Or the guy at Norm's forum claiming a 5% advantage from card counting (impossible) or even moses, who claimed professional play in sweaty Reno of all places. At no point did I need to lie about their claims.

Now yes, each of these people (with the exception of T3) responded with lies, trolling and attacks because that is all they had. They can't answer the legitimate challenges so they attack, and at some point, I have fought back with some trolling. But if you are challenging someone, as I have done with these guys, and mickey is now doing with redietz, that challenge should not be based on non-truths or as you put it "not posting in good faith". If that is all a person has as far as challenging or questioning something, then they really have nothing.

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You called Mickey a piece of shit. The fact that you whine about name calling is beyond anything.

The fact is Mickey knows about sports-betting and is just taking on Redietz from a different angle. He's being truthful but there is obviously some tongue in cheek while he plays dumb. Thats what i meant by in good faith. Maybe the term doesn't quite fit. Who fucking cares.

I don't give a fuck about mdawg moses or norm. I have no idea who these people are outside of mdawg. You need severe help. Go see a therapist or psychiatrist.

You lie enough. You've made up things about me then called on it you just shut-up. You're worthless.

Go suck some dick to suck for $$ and then go shoot off at the blackjack tables.

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You could argue that Mickey is not posting in good faith but nothing in this thread suggests he is a "piece of shit". I can't begin you can be so fucking stuck in your own little world that you somehow can't see how big of a hypocrite you yourself are.

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"not posting in good faith"? Isn't that sweet. Would that work for people that lie under oath and are charged with perjury? hey I was just not speaking in good faith. :D

Dude, you can question or challenge someone without all the name calling, attempting to discredit them. You can even not like someone and still that isn't necessary.

The people I have challenged, Singer, Mdawg, The guy on Norm's blackjack forum, even Moses, I challenged on merit of what they were claiming. Things like progressive wagering and special plays, or winning every session (some 52 in a row), or 60 straight hands at blackjack (mDawg), or winning for 2 solid years playing high limit rooms, playing every day in Las Vegas, which is NOT how Vegas works. Or the guy at Norm's forum claiming a 5% advantage from card counting (impossible) or even moses, who claimed professional play in sweaty Reno of all places. At no point did I need to lie about their claims.

Now yes, each of these people (with the exception of T3) responded with lies, trolling and attacks because that is all they had. They can't answer the legitimate challenges so they attack, and at some point, I have fought back with some trolling. But if you are challenging someone, as I have done with these guys, and mickey is now doing with redietz, that challenge should not be based on non-truths or as you put it "not posting in good faith". If that is all a person has as far as challenging or questioning something, then they really have nothing.

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You called Mickey a piece of shit. The fact that you whine about name calling is beyond anything.

The fact is Mickey knows about sports-betting and is just taking on Redietz from a different angle. He's being truthful but there is obviously some tongue in cheek while he plays dumb. Thats what i meant by in good faith. Maybe the term doesn't quite fit. Who fucking cares.

I don't give a fuck about mdawg moses or norm. I have no idea who these people are outside of mdawg. You need severe help. Go see a therapist or psychiatrist.

You lie enough. You've made up things about me then called on it you just shut-up. You're worthless.

Go suck some dick to suck for $$ and then go shoot off at the blackjack tables.

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See you are just a low life. I try to treat people respectfully and they just act like assholes because they are assholes. And you are proud of that. Would you mother be proud of you if she read the way you post? Seriously? No smart ass comments or attacks...would your mother be proud of your comments here? Is that the way she raised you?

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"not posting in good faith"? Isn't that sweet. Would that work for people that lie under oath and are charged with perjury? hey I was just not speaking in good faith. :D

Dude, you can question or challenge someone without all the name calling, attempting to discredit them. You can even not like someone and still that isn't necessary.

The people I have challenged, Singer, Mdawg, The guy on Norm's blackjack forum, even Moses, I challenged on merit of what they were claiming. Things like progressive wagering and special plays, or winning every session (some 52 in a row), or 60 straight hands at blackjack (mDawg), or winning for 2 solid years playing high limit rooms, playing every day in Las Vegas, which is NOT how Vegas works. Or the guy at Norm's forum claiming a 5% advantage from card counting (impossible) or even moses, who claimed professional play in sweaty Reno of all places. At no point did I need to lie about their claims.

Now yes, each of these people (with the exception of T3) responded with lies, trolling and attacks because that is all they had. They can't answer the legitimate challenges so they attack, and at some point, I have fought back with some trolling. But if you are challenging someone, as I have done with these guys, and mickey is now doing with redietz, that challenge should not be based on non-truths or as you put it "not posting in good faith". If that is all a person has as far as challenging or questioning something, then they really have nothing.

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You called Mickey a piece of shit. The fact that you whine about name calling is beyond anything.

The fact is Mickey knows about sports-betting and is just taking on Redietz from a different angle. He's being truthful but there is obviously some tongue in cheek while he plays dumb. Thats what i meant by in good faith. Maybe the term doesn't quite fit. Who fucking cares.

I don't give a fuck about mdawg moses or norm. I have no idea who these people are outside of mdawg. You need severe help. Go see a therapist or psychiatrist.

You lie enough. You've made up things about me then called on it you just shut-up. You're worthless.

Go suck some dick to suck for $$ and then go shoot off at the blackjack tables.

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See you are just a low life. I try to treat people respectfully and they just act like assholes because they are assholes. And you are proud of that. Would you mother be proud of you if she read the way you post? Seriously? No smart ass comments or attacks...would your mother be proud of your comments here? Is that the way she raised you?

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I save the term "piece of shit" for people who deserve it. I do not live for my mother's desires. I don't think she'd particularly care about an anonymous forum but good try. oh geez I feel guilty because of my mother !! get help. You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel for comebacks.

You don't even know what a low life or piece of shit is. Maybe if you actually gambled and were in that life you'd encountered some of the real deal.

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I won't be in Las Vegas. I never go to Las Vegas and I made that clear on this forum and in GWAE interviews.

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Yes you have made that clear on this forum for years.

ditz's reading comprehension has really declined in the 50 years since he was tested at Chamberpott PA HS.

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Isn't that why redietz took the opportunity to once again promote himself while inviting mickey to meet him in LV..... because he already KNEW mickey said he never goes there?

I agree, red could very easily answer the few questions right here. But even if he did, he'd load it up with the same array of decades-old "accomplishments", cherry-picked contests, gangster references, how he attracts movie producers, etc.etc.etc.

I either missed or forgot about red equating Social Security to Welfare. People only receive SS if they've worked and paid into it. How about pensions....we've never paid a dime into them, yet we get deposits every month for life. Wouldn't redietz claim pensions are more like welfare than SS is?

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The people I have challenged, Singer, Mdawg, The guy on Norm's blackjack forum, even Moses, I challenged on merit of what they were claiming.

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Your challenges never amounted to anything but insisting that your opinion is fact, and name-calling.

These members reported what they experienced, and you called them liars.

That's a personal attack, it's no wonder they responded in kind.

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The people I have challenged, Singer, Mdawg, The guy on Norm's blackjack forum, even Moses, I challenged on merit of what they were claiming.

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Your challenges never amounted to anything but insisting that your opinion is fact, and name-calling.

These members reported what they experienced, and you called them liars.

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Stating that you don't believe someone is not an attack. While there have been many other people throughout my time on forums that their story or claims didn't sound right to me, I have only challenged a small handful that their claims were blatantly defying the math or how the industry works. In all of these cases, I was not alone in challenging these claims. Each time there were other AP's and real players that were also challenging these claim based on merit. I probably stayed at it longer than some of the others, but in every instance there were others. And other real players and AP's have a right to call out BS like that.

And each time I was proven right.

T3 came to a forum I was on 5 years later and admitted that his claims of 5% advantage from card counting, was wrong and apologized to me. His excuse was that at the time of his claim, he was using a small sample size and as time went on and included more of his results, his results came back down towards expectation.

The late Moses, similarly, came clean towards the end of his run. In fall of 2021, moses announced his retirement from card counting and admitted that he had made about 100k over 10 years playing in Reno. That amounts to 10k a year and is a far cry from the professional blackjack player playing Reno that I challenged. If that is what he had originally claimed, part-time, lower limit type numbers, I would have never said a word. Moses also apologized in one of his final posts last summer.

Mdawg and Singer weren't so cut and dry. No admissions or apologies from them, because there was no misunderstanding or small sample size mistakes with them. They were and still are just about telling fantasy type stories for whatever insecurity reasons they have. BUT each of them hung themselves, when pressured by me and others. Mdawg with 7 months of winnings totalling hundreds of thousands of dollars disappearing in one sentence and Singer with the RV fiasco after hanging himself with the Shackleford interview.

Oh these two won't go quietly with an admission of anything and apology, but their phony baloney ended on those respective days.

I am a perfect 4-0 on the claims that I have felt the need to challenge. These things aren't personal with me, or at least don't start out personal with personal attacks. It is just about claims that defy the math and reality of how Las Vegas and the industry works. You guys can make me out to be the bad guy, but I and other AP's and real players have every right to challenge that kind of BS, especially when the person continues on with such BS beyond the passing mention.

Now I feel like I have allowed coachbelly and AinQ to hijack this thread and broader topic that this thread is a part of: Redeitz's sports betting claims.

I see nothing in redietz claims that screams to me about anything defying the math or the way the industry works. I have long thought that when redietz links to some contest that he is doing well in, there is an element of "cherry picking". He only links to where he is doing well. But that doesn't rise to anything. Many players on these forums only share their winning experiences (sometimes 50 out of 52 days :rolleyes:). There are few that share both winning and losing like I have. Zenking goes the other way, sharing only his losing experiences. :D

AND sports betting isn't as cut and dry as other forms of AP. Lets say there is a big football game. A pure handicapper might look at the game and say team A has the best offensive line in the business and as a result the top running game. Team B has a weak run defense. He might conclude team A will be able to run at will, control and win the game.

An AP may look at the game and not consider anything specific to either team and consider that team B is a road dog of 3 points and road dogs of less than 4 points cover 56% of the time. Is either wrong? Both of these approaches might result in long-term winnings beyond just this game. And now with the explosion of sports betting opportunities and bonuses that go with them, there are more opportunities than ever for AP plays that are not specific to either team and things like line shopping and line movements that can be exploited.

I think that is where we are at here. Redeitz might do things different than some other sports betters. His reliance on contests is just one example. It doesn't mean he is wrong in his approach, nor does it mean others with a different approach are wrong as mickeycrimm so desperately wants to turn it into. Often there is more than one way to 'skin a cat'.

But I go back to one thing and that is that mickey has been on forums, this forum for many years with redietz and never said a word and now all of the sudden has this need to discredit redietz. And that need started the very day, redietz made that stupid remark equating receiving social security to collecting welfare. And others are piling on because they don't like the guy or find him condescending. At least they are being honest.

Kew, here's a glaring example of why you're a known bullshitter and so full of shit about everything you claim to know and do.

Your forum mantra is, per your repeated proclamations, is to call out others whose claims "defy the math" so those claims don't hurt anyone who comes here and reads such "dangerous" gambling methods--especially the newbies and wannabees out there.

So let's take a look at the Jstat thread, where he apparently has been criticizing the BJ counting method you say you, certain teams, and others have been using for years, and supposedly winning at.

I've never followed anything about him but I did watch some of his videos. In them he shows and explains why he believes his counting method is superior to the one you use. He very clearly details his position.

Yet because you disagree with him and certainly don't understand him, you call him names, badmouth the guy, and try to get support just because that's been your position about him for years. And that very similar what you waste you time doing with me and how my play Strategy won nearly $400k over 4 years: you don't have a clue how to play it, you ignorantly claim "no one can win on mostly -EV games over 4 years" and you stupidly use other personal attacks and antics that contribute exactly nothing to the argument.

So when all you do is moan and whine like a fairy bitch about someone else's method, AND YOU NEVER EXPLAIN ONE POINT ABOUT WHY YOUR TWISTED, CROSSED-WIRES LACED MIND THINKS JSTAT'S METHOD ISNT BETTER THAN YOURS, you help no one. You can spin tales about others purporting the same as you, but if you truly are in the forum business of protecting newbies etc. from such dangerous characters according to you, why is it that you NEVER EXPLAIN yourself except with generalizations? How does that help someone who might be "injured" with "bad information"?

Ease up on the meaningless essays. Few read them when they see it's you writing them, and almost every time people can see right thru them.

Go towards the light Ron.

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Now I feel like I have allowed coachbelly and AinQ to hijack this thread and broader topic that this thread is a part of: Redeitz's sports betting claims.

I see nothing in redietz claims that screams to me about anything defying the math or the way the industry works. I have long thought that when redietz links to some contest that he is doing well in, there is an element of "cherry picking". He only links to where he is doing well. But that doesn't rise to anything. Many players on these forums only share their winning experiences (sometimes 50 out of 52 days :rolleyes:). There are few that share both winning and losing like I have. Zenking goes the other way, sharing only his losing experiences. :D

AND sports betting isn't as cut and dry as other forms of AP. Lets say there is a big football game. A pure handicapper might look at the game and say team A has the best offensive line in the business and as a result the top running game. Team B has a weak run defense. He might conclude team A will be able to run at will, control and win the game.

An AP may look at the game and not consider anything specific to either team and consider that team B is a road dog of 3 points and road dogs of less than 4 points cover 56% of the time. Is either wrong? Both of these approaches might result in long-term winnings beyond just this game. And now with the explosion of sports betting opportunities and bonuses that go with them, there are more opportunities than ever for AP plays that are not specific to either team and things like line shopping and line movements that can be exploited.

I think that is where we are at here. Redeitz might do things different than some other sports betters. His reliance on contests is just one example. It doesn't mean he is wrong in his approach, nor does it mean others with a different approach are wrong as mickeycrimm so desperately wants to turn it into. Often there is more than one way to 'skin a cat'.

But I go back to one thing and that is that mickey has been on forums, this forum for many years with redietz and never said a word and now all of the sudden has this need to discredit redietz. And that need started the very day, redietz made that stupid remark equating receiving social security to collecting welfare. And others are piling on because they don't like the guy or find him condescending. At least they are being honest.

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Your memory sucks. The animosity between ditz and I began when YOU, HIM and MAXPEN attacked me a few years ago over a benign opinion I gave on the double up bug. You guys have been attacking me ever since.

You've told everyone multiple times you want this forum to get back to gambling topics. Well, I started a thread on professional sportsbetting and what do you do? You come with "you're just doing this to get back at redietz!!!" You attacked me for starting a thread on a gambling topic.

I'm interested in professional sportsbettors and their techniques. Notice I used the plural in the last sentence. Redietz doesn't want to give any clinics on it but even if he did I would never go with just one source. And I don't give a rats ass what ditz thinks about SS.

Sports betting is a very interesting topic. But reading about "I won this" and "I won that" and "you don't know jackshit about it" and "those other guys ain't near as good as me" is boring.

I will continue to explore sportsbetting, KJ. And as a service to VCT members I will post up links to things I find interesting and informational. Everyone has a choice to view it. If not then that's fine too.

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Your memory sucks. The animosity between ditz and I began when YOU, HIM and MAXPEN attacked me a few years ago over a benign opinion I gave on the double up bug. You guys have been attacking me ever since.

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Congratulation. You have managed to pinpoint the exact moment you abandoned the honesty you were known and admired for and began pursuing an agenda of revenge against people you perceived had slighted you. I applaud your honesty mickeycrimm.

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Your memory sucks. The animosity between ditz and I began when YOU, HIM and MAXPEN attacked me a few years ago over a benign opinion I gave on the double up bug. You guys have been attacking me ever since.

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Congratulation. You have managed to pinpoint the exact moment you abandoned the honesty you were known and admired for and began pursuing an agenda of revenge against people you perceived had slighted you. I applaud your honesty mickeycrimm.

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Well, pardon me for defending myself against the incessant attacks by you guys. This is really weird. It's okay for you to attack me but I must refrain from attacking back? That's rich, tewlj. The sportsbetting thread is not any kind of "revenge," Mr. simpleton. It about sportsbetting.

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Your memory sucks. The animosity between ditz and I began when YOU, HIM and MAXPEN attacked me a few years ago over a benign opinion I gave on the double up bug. You guys have been attacking me ever since.

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Congratulation. You have managed to pinpoint the exact moment you abandoned the honesty you were known and admired for and began pursuing an agenda of revenge against people you perceived had slighted you. I applaud your honesty mickeycrimm.

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Well, pardon me for defending myself against the incessant attacks by you guys. This is really weird. It's okay for you to attack me but I must refrain from attacking back? That's rich, tewlj. The sportsbetting thread is not any kind of "revenge," Mr. simpleton. It about sportsbetting.

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You've basically painted redietz--a member of the troll-by-hate squad--into a corner by asking legitimate questions along with putting up clarifying information on how the math guides some of the best sports bettors out there. But this is the kind of thing that makes kew unhappy, nervous, and gives him wedgies, especially when it affects his "supporter".

Maybe he has finally seen "the light". :)

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Your memory sucks. The animosity between ditz and I began when YOU, HIM and MAXPEN attacked me a few years ago over a benign opinion I gave on the double up bug. You guys have been attacking me ever since.

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Congratulation. You have managed to pinpoint the exact moment you abandoned the honesty you were known and admired for and began pursuing an agenda of revenge against people you perceived had slighted you. I applaud your honesty mickeycrimm.

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Well, pardon me for defending myself against the incessant attacks by you guys. This is really weird. It's okay for you to attack me but I must refrain from attacking back? That's rich, tewlj. The sportsbetting thread is not any kind of "revenge," Mr. simpleton. It about sportsbetting.

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That is tewl's new approach. Take some weird moral high ground on site he despises but finds impossible to leave. He clearly just loves attention and validating himself. Him and Redietz are literally very similar. Calls other names then ignores when he is called out on it.

Tewl should just be ignored so we can learn more about sports-betting in this thread. The math and things like that.

TLDR.
I wouldn't even have to see Redietz's name if Mickey didn't hark on him. I probably wouldn't even know he existed, but this forum is all about complaining about other people, because it is the only place you can talk about people.

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I wouldn't even have to see Redietz's name if Mickey didn't hark on him. I probably wouldn't even know he existed, but this forum is all about complaining about other people, because it is the only place you can talk about people.

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Congrats on gold status(500th post) you have come a long way since Bozman accused you of being an illiterate Beaner !

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You know, mickey, I have always defended your lifestyle, goals, and accomplishments. Why you think you've become some sports betting semi-expert is beyond me.

I'll be in Las Vegas several times in the next few months if you want to get together. You can put together a list of 20 or 25 questions and I'll answer them extemporaneously. I'll basically explain why you're wrong about most things. If you want to bring a video guy, that's fine. At some point, I'll have a young documentary filmmaker with me, but probably not until July. So if you want to put it on film, cool, or if you want me to arrange it, that works also.

I have a handful of interesting projects the next so many months, so I don't really have time to read the repetitive junk on this forum on an ongoing basis. A script of mine has been validated for The Gangster Chronicles, which are true stories, and I'll be working on a couple more.

Meanwhile, I just discovered that a bookmaker from my youth is the subject of a film in a production pipeline. Evidently, another acquaintance I hadn't seen in 40 years is one of the people putting it together.

I can be reached at IntegritySports@aol.com.

Have a good one.

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If you're offering, then I would be happy to interview you for an article.

My questions will be direct, some won't be easy, and none will be gotchas. Even if I did ask a gotcha question, people who I interview always get to read the interview and take things they didn't actually want to say out, unless they decline my offer to have them read the transcript in advance.

The interview would need to be by phone, however. I suppose I could make some EV vulturing machines, and what not, but in a bubble, going out to Vegas, etc, would result in a net loss compared to what the article would pay.

That and I also have less than zero desire to go to Vegas...unless I am doing so in a way that results in 1k profits, minimum, iron-clad guaranteed.

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Why you think you've become some sports betting semi-expert is beyond me.

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Why you think that I think that I've become some sports betting semi-expert is beyond me. Your posts seem to be designed to stifle or end any kind of comments by anyone here.

I'm not so sure you're the big winner you present yourself as.

You actively sought investors promising a 10% to 12% return. Why would a guy whose crushing it need investors?

Where are those investors today? If you were so good why would they leave you?

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Can't this be asked of ANY sports bettor who is involved with any kind of the many TV shows, radio shows, podcasts, and services that sell picks?

What about poker players that sell a piece of their action? Additionally, some of the top blackjack teams throughout time have had outside "investors" that only invested (did not play) in return for a piece of the team's profits.

The answer generally given is that this reduces risk, but with the possible exception of some really high limit type play requiring a very large bankroll and risk, this just has never made sense to me. And it surely doesn't make sense with sport betting. If you can pick winners consistently, however you are doing it, pick and play your winners, no? :confused:

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Why you think you've become some sports betting semi-expert is beyond me.

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Why you think that I think that I've become some sports betting semi-expert is beyond me. Your posts seem to be designed to stifle or end any kind of comments by anyone here.

I'm not so sure you're the big winner you present yourself as.

You actively sought investors promising a 10% to 12% return. Why would a guy whose crushing it need investors?

Where are those investors today? If you were so good why would they leave you?

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This is exactly why I dissed and mocked redietz and/or his pimped-out "associates" for trying to get me to transfer money into his accounts in return for handing me "winning picks".

It's the same for all these scammers, yet an idiot like kew insists on aimlessly trying to defend such a wounded character. Losers stick together.

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This is exactly why I dissed and mocked redietz and/or his pimped-out "associates" for trying to get me to transfer money into his accounts in return for handing me "winning picks".

It's the same for all these scammers, yet an idiot like kew insists on aimlessly trying to defend such a wounded character. Losers stick together.

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Who is this??? :confused: According to A.I. Rob Singer is dead and buried. :)

Now, whoever you are posting under the Rob Singer 'handle' :rolleyes:, this accusation that you continue to repeat about Redietz soliciting you just is not credible. Redietz has been on how many forums? 3 that I have been on with him, and not a single other person besides you has ever suggested that he solicited them.

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Why would a guy whose crushing it need investors?

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Can't this be asked of ANY sports bettor who is involved with any kind of the many TV shows, radio shows, podcasts, and services that sell picks?

What about poker players that sell a piece of their action? Additionally, some of the top blackjack teams throughout time have had outside "investors" that only invested (did not play) in return for a piece of the team's profits.

The answer generally given is that this reduces risk, but with the possible exception of some really high limit type play requiring a very large bankroll and risk, this just has never made sense to me. And it surely doesn't make sense with sport betting. If you can pick winners consistently, however you are doing it, pick and play your winners, no? :confused:

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I'm not talking about Red or anyone in particular, but in general...

One needs to define what x % return means. Is that on total money bet or on your total investment? I'm not sure who's willing to invest 100k for an entire year on a gambling situation that may or may turn a profit with a chance at 10k-12k.
That sounds like a terrible investment. 50K or less why even bother? I guarantee with 50k and dedication just using mathematical betting methods, arbing, stale lines, bonuses, etc one would make well over 5-6k in a season.

If it's 10-12% of total action. That's nothing like card counting, there's much more risk of ruin, unless the sports bets are consistently significant longshots or you're laying big odds. Let's assume its more of a coin-flipping situation, @10%+ you would have a massive edge and no investment needed. Using kelly on a consistent 10%+ advantage over the years, just think about that. You shouldn't even want investors unless they were getting down the action for you, it's just creating more work and forcing you to get in more action putting a bigger target on yourself.

If one had some stellar deal, then all bets are off. It's kinda hard to say if one should forgo inventors. Of course, any stellar deal means an investor is getting fucked.


Never trust anyone selling picks period(don't trust as far as them making you money with their picks) . There May be +EV, but you better be 110% sure. Clear long-term records, an understanding of why or how they are getting +EV, and lines you can actually get down on.

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As you can see redietz is just going to continue with his intransigence. He's on a vendetta. The insecurity is glaringly apparent. Sports betting semi-expert? Strawman.

I won't be in Las Vegas. I never go to Las Vegas and I made that clear on this forum and in GWAE interviews. But we have an easily available forum right here that redietz could answer questions at his leisure. The problem is he has been asked many questions by members here and he won't answer them. He repeatedly ignores questions. Redietz, you don't even have to put your pants on to answer questions on the internet. Why the fuck would you want to travel 2000 miles to answer a set of questions? It's stupid.

I think what we have here is an egomaniac.

From what I've seen so far on sportsbetting I think it is rather easy to show a profit. Axel certainly agree's. I think others here do to. Rob did a pretty good job on the NFL this year. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence that applies themselves can do it. I think it is so easy a hobo can do it. I think that is what redietz is afraid of. God forbid a hobo easily figures out sports betting. That would shatter redietz whole world.

Olive branch? Red is trying to slip a snake in my pocket then ask me for a match.

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Mickeycrimm, you have turned into a real piece of shit! You may be a great AP, maybe one of the very top machine AP's ever, but on these forums you have turned into nothing but a troll and bully.

This shit with redietz isn't about you wanting to get to the bottom of anything, nor wanting to learn all you can about sports betting as you claim. It is about one thing and one thing only and that is you trying to take down redietz because he made that stupid comment equating receiving social security to collecting welfare. That is the precise moment you turned your guns on redietz. You famously said that anyone that trolls or attacks you, you will troll and attack back twice as hard (or something to that effect). And that is all this is.

So don't give us this shit about what a great guy you are wanting to get to the bottom of this, when you rarely say a word about other people like Mdawg and actually defend and attack others on behalf of Rob Singer, the single biggest egomaniac ever on gambling forums. You also don't say shit when people like Singer lie about me, or seedvalue claiming the male prostitute bullshit. So don't give us this bullshit about how you want to get to the bottom and learn all you can.

You are now a fucking lying piece of shit, troll, just the same as your "best friend" Singer has been for decades.

There can and maybe should be a legitimate discussion about redietz and what he does, which is clearly different than some other handicappers or sports better (handicapping vs the AP type math +EV plays is actually one of those differences). But what you are doing and have been doing for a month isn't about that.

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Let’s meet in Vegas queerJ and fight. Rat fraud fuck you piece of shit talking lier who now thinks it’s fun to insult Mickey

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Let’s meet in Vegas queerJ and fight. Rat fraud fuck you piece of shit talking lier who now thinks it’s fun to insult Mickey

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You fucking loon.

This is an internet forum where disputes begin and resolve via words on a screen; threats of violence are for elementary school bullies, not successful AP's.

You want fists in your face?

Look elsewhere.

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Let’s meet in Vegas queerJ and fight. Rat fraud fuck you piece of shit talking lier who now thinks it’s fun to insult Mickey

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You fucking loon.

This is an internet forum where disputes begin and resolve via words on a screen; threats of violence are for elementary school bullies, not successful AP's.

You want fists in your face?

Look elsewhere.

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Violence eliminates the weaklings who do nothing but weaken our country. Rats should be eliminated completely off the face of earth as they only seek to further their own agenda by telling on others. They are worthless pieces of shit that deserve torture and pain. Most certainly on their loved ones as the cartel’s do in the south. They got that right at least

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This is exactly why I dissed and mocked redietz and/or his pimped-out "associates" for trying to get me to transfer money into his accounts in return for handing me "winning picks".

It's the same for all these scammers, yet an idiot like kew insists on aimlessly trying to defend such a wounded character. Losers stick together.

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Who is this??? :confused: According to A.I. Rob Singer is dead and buried. :)

Now, whoever you are posting under the Rob Singer 'handle' :rolleyes:, this accusation that you continue to repeat about Redietz soliciting you just is not credible. Redietz has been on how many forums? 3 that I have been on with him, and not a single other person besides you has ever suggested that he solicited them.

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Yeah, undoubtedly I solicited Rob due to his high rolling status at a hundred bucks a game. He's the kind of client/partner I aspire to have "transfer money into his accounts."

He's da man.

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As you can see redietz is just going to continue with his intransigence. He's on a vendetta. The insecurity is glaringly apparent. Sports betting semi-expert? Strawman.

I won't be in Las Vegas. I never go to Las Vegas and I made that clear on this forum and in GWAE interviews. But we have an easily available forum right here that redietz could answer questions at his leisure. The problem is he has been asked many questions by members here and he won't answer them. He repeatedly ignores questions. Redietz, you don't even have to put your pants on to answer questions on the internet. Why the fuck would you want to travel 2000 miles to answer a set of questions? It's stupid.

I think what we have here is an egomaniac.

From what I've seen so far on sportsbetting I think it is rather easy to show a profit. Axel certainly agree's. I think others here do to. Rob did a pretty good job on the NFL this year. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence that applies themselves can do it. I think it is so easy a hobo can do it. I think that is what redietz is afraid of. God forbid a hobo easily figures out sports betting. That would shatter redietz whole world.

Olive branch? Red is trying to slip a snake in my pocket then ask me for a match.

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Mickeycrimm, you have turned into a real piece of shit! You may be a great AP, maybe one of the very top machine AP's ever, but on these forums you have turned into nothing but a troll and bully.

This shit with redietz isn't about you wanting to get to the bottom of anything, nor wanting to learn all you can about sports betting as you claim. It is about one thing and one thing only and that is you trying to take down redietz because he made that stupid comment equating receiving social security to collecting welfare. That is the precise moment you turned your guns on redietz. You famously said that anyone that trolls or attacks you, you will troll and attack back twice as hard (or something to that effect). And that is all this is.

So don't give us this shit about what a great guy you are wanting to get to the bottom of this, when you rarely say a word about other people like Mdawg and actually defend and attack others on behalf of Rob Singer, the single biggest egomaniac ever on gambling forums. You also don't say shit when people like Singer lie about me, or seedvalue claiming the male prostitute bullshit. So don't give us this bullshit about how you want to get to the bottom and learn all you can.

You are now a fucking lying piece of shit, troll, just the same as your "best friend" Singer has been for decades.

There can and maybe should be a legitimate discussion about redietz and what he does, which is clearly different than some other handicappers or sports better (handicapping vs the AP type math +EV plays is actually one of those differences). But what you are doing and have been doing for a month isn't about that.

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Let’s meet in Vegas queerJ and fight. Rat fraud fuck you piece of shit talking lier who now thinks it’s fun to insult Mickey

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He'll never meet you, even in LV. He's afraid of his own shadow when it comes to crawling out from behind his computer within his phony virtual forum life when shit gets real. Alan M., a frail man, tried to meet with him there on a friendly fact-finding basis but he chickened out. And even with his fearsome baby bro as his tough-talking body guard, he was terrified of facing me--someone he now claims is dead--so I could insult both twits to their wimpy faces, AS THEY CHALLENGED ME TO DO.

So if you think you can draw the coward out, think again. He has no friends, and someone there will eventually give him his due.

I just wanted to say to Mickey that I appreciate the shout out on GWAE! You were really too kind, but it was very nice of you to say.