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Sounds like a fun trip RED. Big Elvis is always a blast, last time I was there he had a new younger assistant. Didn’t see the Col Parker guy who was with him for years. You should have walked over to Casino Royale for possibly the last time, rumors it’s going away but no confirmation yet.
I did not know that, Boz. Damn. The Love/volcano looks had that sad nostalgia sense to them as they were last looks. I did not know the Heart Attack Grill had survived the pandemic. There had been a place across the street from it, a kinda hip lesbian-oriented karaoke bar called Don't Tell Mama's, that had closed. Wish it had survived. I have some friends in bands who'd go in there and do a song or two. One friend did A-ha's "Take on Me" in there a few years ago and knocked it out of the park. Real difficult song to do well.
No Green Door tour. LOL. Maybe next time. Driving anywhere off strip is a hassle.
At some point, I'll add a segment about what I did after Dr. Beck left. Went out to South Point to field a buffet lunch session with any VCT luminaries who wanted a lecture on why "EV" should not be applied as a term in sports betting unless discussing arbitrage, bonuses, or in past tense. Dr. Beck, by the way, taught college sociology courses that emphasized probability analyses of data. He was the probability go to guy for undergrads. Obviously not an adjunct prof -- not that there's anything wrong with that -- LOL. He was actually on the committee to choose Western Hemisphere Fulbright scholars.
You've added "past tense>" Why did you do that? LOL
[QUOTE=The Boz;178054 You should have walked over to Casino Royale for possibly the last time, rumors it’s going away but no confirmation yet.[/QUOTE]
I recall playing craps at CR back when they had what I'm pretty sure were the highest ODDS on the PL in sin city: 1000 X IIRC.
But I heard that since then not only are the odds gone, so are the craps tables?
Say it isn't so!
[QUOTE=MisterV;178070]They pulled all table games after Covid. You are correct about the odds years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz;178054 You should have walked over to Casino Royale for possibly the last time, rumors it’s going away but no confirmation yet.[/QUOTE
Basically a slot parlor now with a White Castle and a crummy foot long hotdog place in the back. However they still have $3 bottles of beer, up for the $1 deal they ran for years. And they have whom I consider the hardest working bartender in Vegas, Mark at the bar.
I have much better memories of places now gone like O’Sheas, Westward Ho and Boardwalk but I’ll still miss this place when it’s gone.
Casino Royale lost the charm years ago. Used to play table games there. When I lived in LV and had my last bender gambling before I moved back that was the place.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I've always said that if you want to use past tense, have at it. I've probably said that 20 times just on this forum. It's not coin flipping, so as the caveat goes, past results are no predictor of future outcomes.
I think Munchkin set the stage for me using a simple line like "past tense." I had a whole spiel ready for him as to why "EV" was not appropriate terminology for predicting sports betting profits, but when the topic was introduced, he more or less shrugged his shoulders and said something like you should only use that past tense. It seemed obvious to him. That summed it up admirably, and no further discussion was needed. It's obvious that if "EV" is just a past tense descriptor and is no predictor, there's no real utility in using it as lingo regarding expectations going forward.
[QUOTE=The Boz;178071]I miss the Ho. Ice cream socials, big hot dogs, and that bank of 9/6 J or B progressives in front. Good place to kill time after snagging my seat three hours before kickoff at the Stardust.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
What was the place on Fremont back pre-Y2K that had a really cheap but decent breakfast?
I seem to recall walking downstairs to it, in a casino.
My first couple years in Vegas (moved here in late 2009), I didn't drive. I lived in a condo at Flamingo/Koval and played the strip and off strip places like, Terribles (now silver 7), Hooter, Orleans, Gold Coast, Palms. And I would take the bus downtown to play a lot. Eventually I started taking the bus to different Station casinos and South Point.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
But every early on, the first year or two it was about the strip and Downtown (via bus). Almost every day, my path to the strip involved a stop at Casino Royale, coming or going. Then cut through Imperial Palace and out the back door, by the area that is now built up to include the High Roller, pass by and stop at Westin, for a few minutes on the dealers angels game.
At Casino Royal, I would do that free promotional spin, both coming and going looking for the $5 match play. Eventually the guy working that machine outside, would save up any discarded MP's that people threw away. The tourists were looking for the free drink. So maybe I would get in 4 or 5, $5 MP's Small time stuff but it all added up. In those days I was really "grinding". Made about the same (annual EV and win) as I did later on, just worked a lot harder to get it.
And the cherry on top back in those days was the $1 or $1.25 (maybe $1.50) foot long hotdog at Casino Royale. ;)
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It is so idiotic. You can't know the EV of bonuses without knowing the EV of every bet involved in clearing the bonus. I suppose you could just bet randomly and calculate off that? Then it becomes the type of event where EV clearly works? lol
You also don't know the EV of something AFTERWARDS. That is far more nonsensical. So you have the results of an event and what does that get you? I'd like to see that explained in depth. lmao.
The problem is Redietz just doesn't get so much. Ignore him.
Yessirree, Bob. The guy who's been doing this for 50 years doesn't get it, but the youngster "APs" (and mickey) grasp it all. Indubitably. They must be using a whole different kind of math. You know, the kind that folks teaching college probability or getting perfect scores on math SATs just can't grasp.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It is so idiotic. You can't know the EV of bonuses without knowing the EV of every bet involved in clearing the bonus. I suppose you could just bet randomly and calculate off that? Then it becomes the type of event where EV clearly works? lol
You also don't know the EV of something AFTERWARDS. That is far more nonsensical. So you have the results of an event and what does that get you? I'd like to see that explained in depth. lmao.
The problem is Redietz just doesn't get so much. Ignore him.
Reading is a lost art. I am willing to concede "EV" might be useful to figuring bonus advantages. I am being nice.
And I completely understand that using the term "EV" afterwards is self-contradictory, a bit of an oxymoron. Again, I am being nice. I thought Munchkin, however, was spot on. Past tense is where it belongs vis-a-vis sports betting.
If you guys want to stagger through your Fred Flintstone bet-bet-bet lives thinking you can seriously apply a term like "EV" with any kind of useful precision to sports betting, be my guest. You don't even understand the basic construct that is a pointspread.
Not my job to explain the obvious.
And was it really necessary to hijack the thread? I mean, really -- a thread about a simple trip, featuring one simple futures bet and some adventures around town. I mean, what the hell, account gets to LV what, every few years? Mickey can't handle the place these days. So you insert some pseudo-expert idiocy into a thread that is a trip report?
Sounds like it was kinda a boring trip. Sociologists, not strippers. Anyways, now that the trip is in the past, how much EV did you accumulate?
Singer calls them phantom bucks, by the way.
Do you mean the old breakfast in the Gold Spike? I used to get 2 for 1 coupons and eat two. I didn't worry about cholesterol in my 20's. Or the 11 PM to 6 AM $3 to $4 deal at Binion's? You must mean Binion's with the downstairs coffee shop. That was a great, great coffee shop. No better place to be at 2 AM than that coffee shop. An action place, sometimes with famous folks. It was a nice place.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
yeah well, Singer stacks "special" even more -EV plays on top of his already -Ev play, and magically makes everything +EV. I guess like the lucky charms commerical....magically delicious. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
LOL. No "EV" accumulation for me. May as well stash "thoughts and prayers" for a rainy day. I did play some at the Plaza, hoping for a few offers down the road. Made one medium-sized future wager at Circa; not sure how I feel about it. I definitely got the best number anywhere, and the number will not improve, so that I feel was firmly correct. The actual team -- a bit of high-brow speculation. The number caught me by surprise, so I wasn't necessarily ready to fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
The dogs were .99 years ago then went to $1,49, $1.99 and now $2.49. Add in the $1 beer and it was a cheap stop for those on a budget and the homeless that wouldn’t rather spend the money on a higher ABV “bum can” of Steel Reserve or Hurricane.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJMy first couple years in Vegas (moved here in late 2009), I didn't drive. I lived in a condo at Flamingo/Koval and played the strip and off strip places like, Terribles (now silver 7), Hooter, Orleans, Gold Coast, Palms. And I would take the bus downtown to play a lot. Eventually I started taking the bus to different Station casinos and South Point.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
But every early on, the first year or two it was about the strip and Downtown (via bus). Almost every day, my path to the strip involved a stop at Casino Royale, coming or going. Then cut through Imperial Palace and out the back door, by the area that is now built up to include the High Roller, pass by and stop at Westin, for a few minutes on the dealers angels game.
At Casino Royal, I would do that free promotional spin, both coming and going looking for the $5 match play. Eventually the guy working that machine outside, would save up any discarded MP's that people threw away. The tourists were looking for the free drink. So maybe I would get in 4 or 5, $5 MP's Small time stuff but it all added up. In those days I was really "grinding". Made about the same (annual EV and win) as I did later on, just worked a lot harder to get it.
And the cherry on top back in those days was the $1 or $1.25 (maybe $1.50) foot long hotdog at Casino Royale. ;)
I remember the free play they offered for signing up years ago was like $75 or $100, but with a catch. It could only be used on special machines setup by the booth and they returned next to nothing. Total scam but brought customers through the door.
Also the place had, and still has some of the worst restrooms on the strip right up there with Flamingo. O’Sheas wasn’t any better either but at least they had the Piss Off machine where you could measure your piss for a quarter. Damn, I miss the Vegas of even 15 years ago.
And of course ... as it goes without saying .. absolutely no attempt to actually engage the subject. So typical. Wise as I would destroy this old fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzYessirree, Bob. The guy who's been doing this for 50 years doesn't get it, but the youngster "APs" (and mickey) grasp it all. Indubitably. They must be using a whole different kind of math. You know, the kind that folks teaching college probability or getting perfect scores on math SATs just can't grasp.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
It is so idiotic. You can't know the EV of bonuses without knowing the EV of every bet involved in clearing the bonus. I suppose you could just bet randomly and calculate off that? Then it becomes the type of event where EV clearly works? lol
You also don't know the EV of something AFTERWARDS. That is far more nonsensical. So you have the results of an event and what does that get you? I'd like to see that explained in depth. lmao.
The problem is Redietz just doesn't get so much. Ignore him.
Reading is a lost art. I am willing to concede "EV" might be useful to figuring bonus advantages. I am being nice.
And I completely understand that using the term "EV" afterwards is self-contradictory, a bit of an oxymoron. Again, I am being nice. I thought Munchkin, however, was spot on. Past tense is where it belongs vis-a-vis sports betting.
If you guys want to stagger through your Fred Flintstone bet-bet-bet lives thinking you can seriously apply a term like "EV" with any kind of useful precision to sports betting, be my guest. You don't even understand the basic construct that is a pointspread.
Not my job to explain the obvious.
And was it really necessary to hijack the thread? I mean, really -- a thread about a simple trip, featuring one simple futures bet and some adventures around town. I mean, what the hell, account gets to LV what, every few years? Mickey can't handle the place these days. So you insert some pseudo-expert idiocy into a thread that is a trip report?
Redietz, I get it you know someone who had a perfect SAT math score but I also got a 800 SAT score. Another one of your trolls got a 800 on both sections. Lots of people got an 800 on the math portion. Great the guy was good at academia. He learned how to suck dick. I get it. Lol. Why do you think anyone on this forum gives a fuck?
Anyway folks. It is beyond clownish.
I'm still wondering how EV works in past tense. This makes so little sense to me. You can't determine EV beforehand but somehow after the event occurs and you know the outcome then you know the EXPECTED value?!?! How!??!! hahaha... what?
Can anyone else argue Redietz's point? He clearly can't... lol
You should probably contact Richard Munchkin. Argue your point on his show. LOL.
Those rigged machines for that shit was the most obnoxious thing ever. I did that once or twice years ago. Tropicanna and Hooters is what I recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozThe dogs were .99 years ago then went to $1,49, $1.99 and now $2.49. Add in the $1 beer and it was a cheap stop for those on a budget and the homeless that wouldn’t rather spend the money on a higher ABV “bum can” of Steel Reserve or Hurricane.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJMy first couple years in Vegas (moved here in late 2009), I didn't drive. I lived in a condo at Flamingo/Koval and played the strip and off strip places like, Terribles (now silver 7), Hooter, Orleans, Gold Coast, Palms. And I would take the bus downtown to play a lot. Eventually I started taking the bus to different Station casinos and South Point.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
But every early on, the first year or two it was about the strip and Downtown (via bus). Almost every day, my path to the strip involved a stop at Casino Royale, coming or going. Then cut through Imperial Palace and out the back door, by the area that is now built up to include the High Roller, pass by and stop at Westin, for a few minutes on the dealers angels game.
At Casino Royal, I would do that free promotional spin, both coming and going looking for the $5 match play. Eventually the guy working that machine outside, would save up any discarded MP's that people threw away. The tourists were looking for the free drink. So maybe I would get in 4 or 5, $5 MP's Small time stuff but it all added up. In those days I was really "grinding". Made about the same (annual EV and win) as I did later on, just worked a lot harder to get it.
And the cherry on top back in those days was the $1 or $1.25 (maybe $1.50) foot long hotdog at Casino Royale. ;)
I remember the free play they offered for signing up years ago was like $75 or $100, but with a catch. It could only be used on special machines setup by the booth and they returned next to nothing. Total scam but brought customers through the door.
Also the place had, and still has some of the worst restrooms on the strip right up there with Flamingo. O’Sheas wasn’t any better either but at least they had the Piss Off machine where you could measure your piss for a quarter. Damn, I miss the Vegas of even 15 years ago.
"Piss Off machine" ?
Right after you buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Yeah, they did have that scammy free play offer. :D Somebody else on the southern end of strip did that as well for a couple years. Maybe Hooters? And later DownTown Grand had a version of that. You might win $10 off your $100 free play on those "special machines". :DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
BUT, sometime after that, Casino Royale had a fairly decent offer that the first $20 lost would be rebated on any machine, even video poker. And they allowed you to do that multiple times a year. Maybe even once a month. But then that disappeared.
edit: sorry. I see AinQ already referenced the hooters scammy FP.
The Piss Off machine was found at O’Sheas and a few other bars I visited over the years. Basically you paid a quarter and pissed into the cup in the urinal and it measured how much you pissed. Seemed like a good idea at the time when drunk.
The problem with the one at O’Sheas was the urinal was used so much and the cleaning crew didn’t exactly take care of it so calcium built up on it and it didn’t measure properly. Add jokers throwing quarters into the cup blocking holes and it wasn’t exactly accurate. You know, for those who wanted an accurate reading,lol.
Anyways the company that made it, Wacky Willie’s, didn’t last long and I haven’t seen one in a bar in over a decade.
https://www.arcade-history.com/?n=pi...etail&id=26827
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Originally Posted by kewlJYeah, they did have that scammy free play offer. :D Somebody else on the southern end of strip did that as well for a couple years. Maybe Hooters? And later DownTown Grand had a version of that. You might win $10 off your $100 free play on those "special machines". :DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
BUT, sometime after that, Casino Royale had a fairly decent offer that the first $20 lost would be rebated on any machine, even video poker. And they allowed you to do that multiple times a year. Maybe even once a month. But then that disappeared.
edit: sorry. I see AinQ already referenced the hooters scammy FP.
Same with Vagrants World.
This is probably the best thing I will learn today.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
Seems like it could lead to guys pissing themselves in your bar trying to win some wager. lol. Don't think I'd have one in my bar as fun as it sounds.
You talk a lot about "coin flips" but I've never seen you use the phrase "coin flips with juice." What does coin flips with juice mean to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I've always said that if you want to use past tense, have at it. I've probably said that 20 times just on this forum. It's not coin flipping, so as the caveat goes, past results are no predictor of future outcomes.
I think Munchkin set the stage for me using a simple line like "past tense." I had a whole spiel ready for him as to why "EV" was not appropriate terminology for predicting sports betting profits, but when the topic was introduced, he more or less shrugged his shoulders and said something like you should only use that past tense. It seemed obvious to him. That summed it up admirably, and no further discussion was needed. It's obvious that if "EV" is just a past tense descriptor and is no predictor, there's no real utility in using it as lingo regarding expectations going forward.
Leave it to another redietz boring brand-saving attempt just to make a fool of himself again. As if this obscure "Dr. Beck" is gonna revive his desired reputation while he goes for yet another "on-the-cheap" trip to LV. What are the odds Beck was cajoled into paying for the only decent meal they had....And who the f*** let's a traveling companion rent the car for the first few days--and then rents one himself after the guy leaves--instead of taking the reins on the rental from day one! Is it any wonder red never went into any business where people skills is an indication of character?
We just left Reno yesterday after 4 nights at Tuscany in the Peppermill. The folks we went to dinner with each night weren't "Fulbright Scholars", none have "Dr." listed in their names, and none of them had to pay a dime for our meals at Bimini and Atlantis Steakhouses. But all of them are normal, interesting people from various parts of the country. And if I wrote a trip report about it all, you can be sure it would be a shit-ton more relatable than what we saw here. No one crosses the country just to save-a-buck everywhere they go.
Yes....its even more clear today than ever why I was solicited for funds by hustlers who said they were associates of this Tennessee Toot.
His trip reports are boring and vanilla as can be but I will always read them because it is redietz. Alien extraordinaire. Friend of successful people everywhere.
Do you know why there are so many professors in the world?
Because those that can….do.
Those that can’t….teach.
The problem with that line of thinking is that without teachers / professors actually instilling knowledge into fertile minds it would be difficult to master difficult subjects as trial and error can take a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
I recommend the "Old Fashioned" at Vic and Anthony's.
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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
And those who really, really can't... teach and get paid a third as much. Like Shackleford (look up "adjunct"). LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i0bc5uWTuE
All bullshit aside I am impressed at your willingness to post these pictures. It is also clear that you've had a lot better go of it with the ladies compared to Singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I recommend the "Old Fashioned" at Vic and Anthony's.
That's a strange comment about Shackleford.
If I'm not mistaken he's not a failed academic but someone who is eminent in his field (the analysis of actual gambling problems) and probably got invited to do some teaching at the local college. This happens a lot with people that are locally prominent laymen (for example in law or business, or even redietz cherished field of journalism).
But even if he were an aspiring academic stuck at the adjunct level... it's unclear why redietz would be in a position to look down on this.
I feel like I must be missing something.
This guy who claims he has made a living for many decades off of sports betting in some form (futures, contests, ECT) has for years posted his real name. And then his address (over and over) and now he is flat out posting pictures of himself. :confused:
Either sports betting in Vegas ( which I don't really do) is VERY different from say...blackjack table game advantage play....or maybe AinQ is right and this guy is pulling our leg. :rolleyes:
I mean is this yet another dude telling us that casinos don't care about players that have won for years? :rolleyes: I know several databases that say otherwise.
ditz is on the rightQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
LOL. You should take this up with Mickey, who thinks attending Bet Bash at Circa is a great way to network with other sports betting movers and shakers. And let's not forget Spanky and all the You Tube weiners.
Oh, and have you noticed Billy Walters wearing a mask while in sports books? No? Think he's quit betting?
KewlJ, you basically know next to nothing about sports betting. Not, as Seinfeld says, that there's anything wrong with that.
You know, I worry about you. I've pretty much always thought you were likely more real than not, but you do occasionally make comments that are sheer book-read naivete. For someone who has allegedly (note I said allegedly) been professionally gambling in Las Vegas for more than a decade, you are tone deaf to some aspects of reality. And damn, now MDawg will quote me on that.
Dawg, if you quote me on that, please shell out $6.51 for a Starbucks medium coffee each time you use it. I'm working towards being an "AP." It'll help with tuition.
Now be nice, coach. I hesitated posting this because it's a goddawful photo of me, but then I thought what the hell? I scrunched down in a very weird way to make sure the waiter got us both in frame. It led to an awful pic. But it's a bang-up pic of Scott, so that's a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyditz is on the rightQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Because mickey said those who can't . . . teach. So Shackleford evidently can't, and he's getting paid about a third of what everyone else who can't is getting paid. It was strictly a rejoinder to mickey's brilliance. If you disagree with "those who can't . . . teach," take it up with mickey.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburger
I think it's great that Shackleford has a teaching gig. Maybe he loves to teach. Maybe he needs the bread. Maybe he likes hanging with 19-year-old women. More power to him. Who am I to judge?
Mickey's the one judging "those who teach." Mickey's a little slow on the draw. Maybe "those who teach, double their chances of getting laid."
Don't sell yourself short, ditz, you're a tremendous slouch.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
We can see that you have ears, but do you have teeth?
First, I never claimed to know all that much about sports betting did I? For most of my time on this forum, I was a recreational losing sports bettor and presented myself that way. Only in the last year have I started sports betting with an advantage. And that advantage comes from the bonuses. as almost everything I do, pretty elementary. And I don't do any sports betting in Las Vegas (almost all off shore) so no I don't know how that works and have never claimed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Now, your comment above, I can say the exact same about you. Shortly after I arrived at this forum there were exactly 2 members, that couldn't seem to understand or figure out why an advantage player, playing Las Vegas for a living, would want.....make that NEED to maintain his anonymity at all costs. Top priority. One of those was the late Alan Mendelson, may he rest in peace. Alan never presented himself as anything other than a recreational gambler who made his living doing something else. So THAT was understandable.
The second person was YOU, a guy who claimed to spend all this time in Las Vegas every year and know how things worked. And yet you couldn't seem to figure out why a player like me needed to remain anonymous as a top priority. I chalked that up to you were not playing games against the casinos as an AP does, so you just didn't know. But still...a guy who claimed to know how Vegas worked. It was actually a red flag for me.....and remains so.
I am in both the top two databases here in Vegas, several times actually. :( I don't say that with pride, as I work hard to stay out of them. But it is an occupational hazard or thing. Several players that know my real name, know that I am, despite the nonsense trolling that occurs on this forum. You know who else I am aware is in the databases. Billy Waters, and Munchkin, and James G are a few I know for sure, plus several other AP's that most of us know, but I won't mention their names. Players like mickeycrimm and axelwolf and a few others on this forum? Don't know...never looked into it, but if I looked into it and had my friend dig a little, I suspect I would find some reference or entry for most of them.
You know who is NOT in the databases, that I am aware of? Rob Singer or his real name (known) Robert Argentino. Neither is the person that posts as Mdawg. What does that tell you? And I am guessing....don't know for sure, but if I were to ask my friend who has access, he wouldn't see the name that you have repeatedly told us is you. :rolleyes: Maybe that is not really your name. Or maybe there is something else going on, like an intentional deflect on your part, but a real player that has played and won for years....for decades, doesn't avoid the databases. And a real player for decades, that KNOWS how Vegas works, isn't confused about why real AP's need to remain anonymous.
Let me add, this Red, for the second time today. I still believe that you made a living or if not a living, then some significant supplemental income or money, from activities involving sports betting. I am pretty damn good at knowing who is who and who is just talking. Perhaps I am wrong or misreading. I have been wrong before. And if I am and you aren't who you say or are a recreational type sports bettor rather than someone who makes a living, then I am wrong.
And even if that were the case I don't see the need to go after you as some other are doing. I go after people who's claims might harm other players. I just don't see that from you.
So enjoy your travels to and from Vegas, and your "old fashions" (my grandfather used to drink those :rolleyes:) and what not.
But Shack IS an excellent teacher. Take a look at his website. I see his banning you from WoV still stings like a bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
And those who really, really can't... teach and get paid a third as much. Like Shackleford (look up "adjunct"). LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i0bc5uWTuE
A pro bj player, slot hustler, sports handicapper, pro poker player, a lawyer and a Walgreens cashier walk into a bar
Is that what you've been doing here all this time...maintaining your anonymity at all costs?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
LOL...what a tewl.
Ah, I didn't realize redietz had been banned from WoV. I was honestly curious about his animus toward Shackleford.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmBut Shack IS an excellent teacher. Take a look at his website. I see his banning you from WoV still stings like a bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietzQuote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
And those who really, really can't... teach and get paid a third as much. Like Shackleford (look up "adjunct"). LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i0bc5uWTuE
What was the reason for the ban? Do they not allow self-promotion?
ETA - I hadn't noticed redietz' response above before posting this. I'm still curious though.
The Wiz hisownself gave reditetz the old heave ho for insulting and threatening moderators.
See the October 19th, 2021 at 7:46:00 AM post by the wiz in the Discussion III about the Suspension List for details.
Is that a rhetorical question?Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburger
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyIs that a rhetorical question?Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburger
And the bartender says “Is this a heist or a support group?”Quote:
Originally Posted by mcap
Oh the guy taking himself seriously? How did I miss that?Quote:
Originally Posted by coach bellyditz is on the rightQuote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Poor fella must be in pain that no one showed up to discuss EV.
It was your rose colored glasses.Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestion
Your expectation was that the ditz is a sexual being, forgetting that he is an alien life form.
This is funny, coming from one of the many lonely old men here about someone who's been with women on every continent on the planet, before being married for 46 years :) And how many times do you need to be told......It's What's Up Front That Counts!Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionAll bullshit aside I am impressed at your willingness to post these pictures. It is also clear that you've had a lot better go of it with the ladies compared to Singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I recommend the "Old Fashioned" at Vic and Anthony's.
How did you drive the Newell across all those continents?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob.SingerThis is funny, coming from one of the many lonely old men here about someone who's been with women on every continent on the planet, before being married for 46 years :) And how many times do you need to be told......It's What's Up Front That Counts!Quote:
Originally Posted by accountinquestionAll bullshit aside I am impressed at your willingness to post these pictures. It is also clear that you've had a lot better go of it with the ladies compared to Singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
I recommend the "Old Fashioned" at Vic and Anthony's.
And point, set... and match!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
Wrong dipshit! There isn't a person that participates on this forum that knows my real identity. So yeah it IS what I have been doing. It wasn't my main objection, but it was always a top priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogAnd point, set... and match!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
KJ, please clarify what you mean by the term "databses" in this context.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Are you saying they are not found ANYWHERE in the casino's computers, such that their claims are likely complete bullshit?
Certainly you aren't talking about a current blacklist.
But presumably it won't be known who this person is....?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJWrong dipshit! There isn't a person that participates on this forum that knows my real identity. So yeah it IS what I have been doing. It wasn't my main objection, but it was always a top priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdogAnd point, set... and match!Quote:
Originally Posted by coach belly
No MisterV. I am talking about outside companies that compile a database of cheats and advantage players and then sell that information back to the casinos on a subscription basis. In Las Vegas the biggest two are OSN and Biometrics. Griffin is still around, but they basically pulled out of Vegas after the Grosjean lawsuit and award, when they filed for bankruptcy. They re-emerged in some of the newer markets opening up across the country but they haven't really gained any kind of foothold trying to re-emerge back into Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterVKJ, please clarify what you mean by the term "databses" in this context.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Are you saying they are not found ANYWHERE in the casino's computers, such that their claims are likely complete bullshit?
Certainly you aren't talking about a current blacklist.
The Grosjean lawsuit and verdict turned out to be a negative overall, as when Griffin pulled out, it opened the door for OSN, which was a small regional database serving Indian Casinos, to expand into Vegas to fill that void. And OSN is way more efficient and dangerous than Griffin ever was.
So if you have access to OSN or Biometrics, or even Griffin or another smaller database, you will find no entries mentioning Rob Singer, or his real name, Argentino, nor Mdawg's real name. But if you know my real name you will find multiple entries, as you will with most real AP's if you know their real names.
There was one guy on another forum (blackjack forum) that I didn't even know his real name, until I came across an entry in OSN. Quite a devastating entry, with several very clear head shots of him AND a clear picture of his vehicle and license plate number. It matched everything he had ever said about himself. And he disappeared from the forum shortly after that.
And THAT is why I am very, very careful. I know you people think I am not. You think I am stupid. :)
I don't think any non-blackjack player AP's (fulltime) understand what we deal with. Even AP's involved in other things that have moved away from blackjack and table games. It has started to catch up to them too, but not nearly what blackjack or table game AP's go through. There is a database on the computer right there in the pit of EVERY casino (exception maybe some really small localized joints) with entries including pictures and every other piece of information they can get hold of. Right there in the pit!! All the pit critters have to do is look through it every once in a while. Fortunately most are either bad at their jobs or just don't care enough.
But the point is....no entries involving Singer/Argentino, a guy who claims 4 or 5 different million dollar paydays. No entries involving the great Mdawg, who writes stories of Millions in earnings while the pit folks cheer him on. The very folks that would lose their jobs if even 2% were true. But there are entries and pictures of many real AP's, inclduing a couple on this forum I would bet. I just don't know their names (in most cases), nor want to.
Maintaining your anonymity at all costs?Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
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Originally Posted by kewlJ
Mate, are you retarded or something? For real!
I just told you and have many times before: YOU don't know my real name and identity. No one on this forum does. I have taken a lot of grief for that, but it has served me well.
There are one or two players that I associate with here in Vegas that do know me, but none are regulars on this kind of a (troll) forum. I know one occasionally reads, but have never seen him post.
OK, but unlike you, Robert and the Hound don't appear to be advantage players.
By that I mean their stories of casino conquest do not seem to involve the use of techniques which might result in them being included.
Certainly Robert's VP methods are not AP, and the Hound seems at best to be lucky...if he's anything at all.
So I am not really surprised that neither is blacklisted for AP as neither is an AP, at least not as I understand the term.
[QUOTE=smurgerburger;178149]Ah, I didn't realize redietz had been banned from WoV. I was honestly curious about his animus toward Shackleford.Quote:
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmBut Shack IS an excellent teacher. Take a look at his website. I see his banning you from WoV still stings like a bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
What was the reason for the ban? Do they not allow self-promotion?
LOL. I wrote some semi-comedic acerbic versions of MDawg's storylines, for which one of the unpaid louts, who happened to live in Knoxville, suspended me. It was the dude who publicly posts that he lusts after quadriplegics. I then told him we'd be getting together sometime soon, since he lived down the road. Shackleford then banned me. I have a particular gripe with that monitor since my mother, aunt, and uncle all had MS and were quadriplegics for more than a decade. If you want the full run down, post something under freddy's thread at GamblingForums. Freddy keeps posting the monitor's exact words regarding quadriplegics. I'm sure it's in that thread several times.
I'm sorry if not being an anonymous unverifiable wannabe qualifies as "self-promotion." Such is life in the real world.
If you guys don't know something, or don't bother to read, why do you type for no reason?
And this self-promotion crap -- does anybody promote themselves as a gambling expert (without any evidence of having won lifetime) more than Shack? He dabbles in this, dabbles in that, really has no clue about that which I have a clue, which leads me, of course, to wonder if he wins at anything these days. I mean, it's fine to be a gambling expert who has no real specific expertise or track record. That's fine.
I just think it's wild that people assume he actually wins at something with zero corroboration. His recommendations to use "parlay calculators" for sports betting were the most dumb-ass thing I have ever seen. LOL. He never even addressed the obvious reason it's a bad idea. In recent years, he appears to have backed off this schtick, especially since offshores have listened to him (again -- LOL) and are more than happy to furnish parlay calculators for bettors to use. Gee, I wonder why.
Your fellow attorney friend, initially claimed he wasn't. Then like everything else his story changed. He is all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Singer started out attempting to play with an advantage failed and then resorted to telling us he wins by special plays and hocus pocus.
But here's the thing. The databases have never distinguished between that. If a player is really winning long-term, defying the math and odds, as these two claim, they will be on the radar of these companies and they will find out information and include that in the databases. They just don't distinguish. Griffin, used to label legit advantage players doing nothing wrong as cheats. THAT is where they got into trouble. So you won't see any kind of "label" like that.
And this is precisely why when a player is backed off or barred or trespassed, if you ask for what? The casino will never say card counting or we think you are card counting. If they give an answer at all it will be management decision, or your game is just too good for us. Something very vague. They will not accuse you of anything like card counting or advantage play.
But again, my point is that any player claiming what these guys claim, would be on the radar and have some information about them in the databases. EVEN if it turned out they were simply the luckiest player on the face of the earth, with rabbit's feet in their pockets and 4 leaf clovers around their necks. And guess what, no mention of our two "friends". But I bet if I dug, I could find info on several of the real AP's here, including Axelwolf, Maxpen, Mickeycrimm and others (don't be offended if I didn't name you). Mickeycrimm would be an interesting one. He kind of skirts the system, playing many kind of out of the way places for lower limits and doesn't play much if any table games that I am aware of. So not sure exactly what I would find, if anything on him. Might even be something dating back years, as that is another issue with the databases. They have an agenda to sell information, so they aren't deleting or removing anything.
Thanks for the response, KJ: one follow up question if you please.
Assume a non-AP is included for winning more often than is the norm: does them being listed mean they are barred, or simply a "heads up, keep and eye on these birds, we don't know how they're doing it?"
Again, I was banned for writing Mad Magazine type takeoffs of MDawg's adventures. My sarcasm was not appreciated. I said clearly that I thought Shackleford was doing every reader a disservice by allowing MDawg to post these tales without some commentary by Shackleford.
So the quadriplegic-loving dude suspended me, I said I'd look him up, and that gave Shackleford an excuse to ban me. I think what Shackleford allowed vis-a-vis MDawg was the equivalent of USA Today allowing sports service ads claiming 85-95% ATS winners. There's no excuse for it. You are misleading the public. Not everybody is an experienced gambler. Somebody in Shackleford's position has a responsibility. At least that's the way I've always conducted myself.
As for Shackleford: There are people, members of his forum, that you can tell instantaneously that he doesn't like. He may put up with them for a while, while he looks for a reason to get rid of them. Redietz is among that club. So was BillRyan. So was even coach belly. I think when he banned CB, shackleford actually stated something about wanting to get rid of him for a quite a while.
I have no idea what would trigger such a first opinion non like of someone. But I believe one such thing is he doesn't like other real players and AP's that undermine him and know how things work. he really wants to be the go to guy that is the expert that every one looks to. He puts up with it for a few that he considers friends, but he really wants to be the top fiddle guy, IMO.
MrV, not everything in life has been cut and dried. I know, with more than 99% certainty, that people in the black book were able to enter the Mirage through various simple stratagems. I don't mind saying that now because the Mirage is not long for this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Redietz - Nobody is interested in how much money WoV makes or has made at gambling. That is not the purpose of his work.
Oh what a wicked web we weave.Quote:
Originally Posted by redietz
Seriously though this is pretty funny as far as reasons go. Good grief. I'm glad I never got involved posting there. I must have sensed their lack of fun which is likely why I started posting here.
This place has the right mix of sharps, characters, and fun loving anti-social types. Maybe this forum would be a lot better if not for this but I have a strong feeling it would be dead.
I can't say for sure but I would think the second. It would be something for them to take a look at and keep an eye on. If you are an AP, trying to keep a low profile, that is just the last thing you want. And if you have multiple entries just suggesting something might be up....forget about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterV
Really I shouldn't say "forget about it". There are things you can do to lessen the blow and survive. And I have talked about them. One is to just take a break, so that any new entry kind of falls off the from page (screen in Today's world). In the pre computer time, that would be like taking the page with your information and moving it to the back of the binder. Anyone looking is only looking at the first few pages (or screens now) of newer entries.
So when you think or confirm a new entry, you take a break, especially from the places that you know utilize the databases. How long a break? that depends. You are basically waiting for other fellow AP's to screw up and get new entries so yours will fall back. :rolleyes: May take a few weeks, may take a few months. Depends on the severity and if there are pictures and if so, how clear.
They don't database people for winning. The whole premise is wrong.
I am !!! :cool: In part because I am nosy, but in part I would love to know what kind of money every AP makes, as a real number would sort of verify things for me. There are guys that are pretty good talkers, maybe know the math, but I suspect play less and lower limits than they claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburger
I am not saying Shackleford is that. I think he has made some decent money gambling, but my gut says, not what a man of his ability should have. And he started the websites which were very useful to many, many players at all levels (WoO more that WoV). And then he got really lucky and sold those websites for way more than they were worth to an online company that just had money to burn. I don't fault him for that, but let's be real. he got lucky. That wasn't his plan.
Once he sold the websites, he didn't have to make a ton of money gambling. Just some (supplemental) when something came along that he wants to do. What I would really be interested in, is just what he made gambling wise in that time leading up to the sale, when he wasn't making money from the website. His wife worked and I am sure he made some money APing different things, just not sure if it was what he should/could have made with his ability.
But I am genuinely glad it all worked out for him. equally glad he cut off that ponytail that made him look like a predator. :D
You might as well wonder how much money Eliot Jacobs has made gambling.
It's NOT wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburger
they don't database players that legitimately win, by hitting a jackpot, or even something like table play for a short period which can be weeks of daily play.
It is long-term winning that defies the math, like Mdawg claims (if his story was true), or Singer claims with his multiple big hit stories. This is going to draw attention. That is precisely why real long-term winning players do things like play unrated, so records aren't as easy to obtain, or even do things like ratholing chips (which has it's risks).
Do you think I or any real player would not like to play rated and get comps on top of what we win? Come on man.
I know (or at least believe) you are a real and successful AP. But you don't seem to know some of the battles that table game AP's fight on almost a daily basis (for a grinder type player). Maybe you don't play a lot of table stuff anymore, or maybe you never did. I have no idea. (poker doesn't count as you are not playing against the casino). With Table game advantage play, there is a whole extra level of people you are dealing with, right there in the pit, 5 feet from where you play. 2 feet if you count the dealer and you should, because half of them report what they see. Half just don't care.
Table game advantage play, particularly card counting just doesn't happen by accident. You have to work at it, and make it your business to know and learn certain things to achieve some longevity. I have tried to share some of that, some (not everything) of how I go about that. But you people always seem to want to make it about something else. Pissing contests, or troll fests about things totally unrelated in any way.
Don't know what Eliot Jacobs made, but I have a feel for what Eliot Jacobson made, only in that it wasn't what he had the potential for. I talked to players that knew him and saw him play and after being pretty hard on him calling him a "traitor", for working for/with the casinos, I had a pretty good relationship with him and spoke to him many times privately via email. Let so after he retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by smurgerburger
But he is a perfect example of someone that certainly knew the math, but maybe didn't realize his gambling potential. He sort of busted out as a card counter, or being polite, maybe it just wasn't for him. I am told he never got used to putting out the larger bets when required. That is something that falls many card counters, especially when you are playing underfunded (not saying Eliot was) or when you encounter a prolonged negative run. You have to keep firing when the count calls for it and not everyone has that make up.
So yeah, I would love to know what he made on both sides of the tables. That is just me.
Maybe it goes something like this: Those that can win at gambling...win at gambling. Those that can't, do consultation work for/with the casinos. :D
They do not database for winning. There is a small number of offenses for which they will accept reports. Winning is not one of them.
Eliot Jacobson and I presume WoV have not made a lot of money gambling. They are appreciated for their very useful public strategy guides and tools by people who do use them to make money.
The databases are full of players that have done nothing wrong. No other offense except winning.
They and you can wordsmith all you want. That is fact.
An AP looking to achieve some measure of longevity needs to work at staying out of the databases. But ultimately most will find themselves in it at some point. That is just occupational hazard.
When someone making some grand claims over the length of time these two have and doesn't make there way to the databases, something doesn't jive.
And you know it.
I don't know if any members of this forum know your real name, and neither do you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kewlJ
But 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead, so there's that.
If your real name appears several times in the various databases you pointed to, then anyone with access to those databases can view your real name several times, and likely figure out, by process of elimination, which name is yours.