I pony up the result from the shoe what I play yesterday, hey hey.
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I pony up the result from the shoe what I play yesterday, hey hey.
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SoxFan states that he has won over a million dollars in the past year or so from Baccarat. Being a lifetime winner myself, which is what soxfan also claims, I believe this is true.
This level of detail
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...95/#post803691
from one of his sessions might be nice.
https://i.imgur.com/TaJarhG.jpg
The baccarats is the best ap opportunity going. Casino think that baccarats is the unbeatable proposition so yer gonna be much more likely to enjoy the longevity, hey hey.
I'll be happy to prove my baccarats style so long as cats pony up some cake to make it worths my while and come at me with legit, hand dealt real baccarats result, hey hey!!!!
Well cats, sometime ya gotta just grind out the evs even if yer not gonna capture any actual profits, hey hey.
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You could tabulate a total at the bottom of each column?
Well cats, I grind another 18 shoe in the books and got clipped for -7.4 unit, hey hey.
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Well the big Dawg claims he won $40k today at baccarat. I guess he is better than you. :rolleyes:
I don't and never claim to capture profits day in and day out. But, I do average 54ks Cdn$ nets profit per month, month after month, year after year, hey hey.
OMG! Same pissing contest bullshit. Different day. Different month. Different year. Different forums, Different people claiming they win millions (or 600K a year) with their secret methods, special plays and other voodoo that nobody knows about. It never ends.
Look if you want to claim you are a winning player doing whatever, have something you can point to that makes your play +EV, rather than secret methods and shit. Is that really asking too much? :rolleyes:
But yeah, you make 600k a year and the casinos don't care...just like the Dawg dude. (or Dawg doo)
When you people come back to reality, if you ever do, we can talk again.
Why would I give specific in an open forum? Casinos think that baccarats is the unbeatable proposition so yer gonna get all kinds of longevity, especially if you spread yer play among several joints. I've devoted around 14 year of my life, total, where the baccarats been my sole source of active incomes, hey hey.
Several joints? Your claim is that you make 600k a year (54k a month), playing 9 hours a day, 6 days a week, but spreading among several joints, the casinos don't know because they think baccarat can't be beat, so they don't bother checking the holds and records to see that they are losing?
Anything else? Maybe you are rainman also? YOU really should keep your fantasy claims over at GF. We have our hands full with the hound bullshit claims.
Anyway I am done with your stupid shit for tonight, maybe much longer. Going to have a few beers and chill. Hey hey.
Recently a cat clipped the Bellagio for 50$ millions at the baccarats tables, and he never got backed off. How many cats have ever been backed of from the baccarats? Yer not a successful ap/cards-counter, yer a fraud and a bulls-shits artist and that's why you never have and never will back up any of yer claim, hey hey.
The gauntlet has been thrown by our cashew chewing baccarat savant; tell ya what, soxfan...you call KJ a bull-shit artist and a fraud because he never backs up any of his claims.
OK then, time for YOU to back up and prove your claim that you make $600K profit a year playing baccarat.
Oh, and nobody should have to make a wager in order to see the proof...either put up or shut the fuck up.
Hey hey, you're so fey.
I already said I would pony up and prove my style. Pony up some cake and come at me with legit hand dealt baccarats outs-come and I'll play against them any damned day of the week. Funny how the kewl-J has NEVER posted any result, never said oh I got clipped the other day for so many unit, or last session I captured profits exceeding expected ev, or whatever. But, you keep kissing the kewl-frauds backs-side you dumb-fuck, pot-head, hey hey!
Well, old chaps, here are some more baccarats result. My expected daily ev is 22.5 unit but right now am in the downs-ward trend, but then unlike others I live in the real world so I pony up the ugly, the bad and the good, hey hey.
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My baccarats style is not the bulls-shits style, it don't involve betting into streak and it don't employ any wild progression. My style is the strict bets-flat winner what is good for 1.25 units, nets profits longs-term, simple and plain, hey hey.
This is why people just ignore you baccarat retards. You probably believe this kind of nonsense.
Show me a link to a legitimate news story from a legitimate news source where someone won 50 million at baccarat from Bellagio. There is NONE! And I mean legitimate! not some tic tok or reddit story about someone like mikki maze or some other make believe shit.
A real story like this would have been headline on all the Vegas newspapers and would have been a story in every major newspaper and would have been covered by every legitimate gambling outlet. But there is nothing. This is just gambling folklore by goofy baccarat players. It isn't real!! Casinos probably make this shit up to keep you guys coming. :D
Look, every once in a while some super high roller does win multiple million. But in almost every case he has lost far more than that on other trips. The casinos know who he is, and what he is doing. THAT is why they tolerate the action.
If you think some casino is just allowing some unknown player to win millions, not knowing what he is doing, you might as well believe every other completely fiction fantasy out there. I hear Jack climbed the beanstalk and slayed some giants.
Baccarat players are the least grounded in reality people I have ever seen.
A major part of being or becoming a real advantage player, who can beat the casinos long-term is understanding the casino industry. Understanding how it works, what they tolerate and don't tolerate., what happens when you win a significant amount in the 10's of thousands not millions, because there are cause and effects of winning 10's of thousands. People have to answer for it. If it happens enough people are fired or demoted. You need to understand the communications between casinos, sister or chain properties as well as non-related, and what triggers what.
Only then can you begin to win money from casinos on a regular basis using some mathematically proven advantage play method.
or you can be a baccarat player claiming to win millions while casinos don't care and love you for it.
Which sounds real and which sounds like fantasy type gambling folklore?
Ok, one more time; the casinos think that the baccarats is the unbeatable proposition! Baccarats ain't 21, so they assume cats wining for a fairly long period are just on the right side of variance. I'm wagering a single black chip, and there are usually lots of cats wagering waaayyy more than that when I'm playing so my actions don't stand out. I imagine that at some point I might get backed off but then I can just grind out at the mortars and brick joint, hey hey.
So that is your answer? Casinos think baccarat can't be beat so they would just ignore all the loss at the tables that would occur if it was being beaten like you and other baccarat nits claim?
Numbers are reported monthly. Wins and losses by game for each casino. Public information. And inside those numbers casinos have numbers for every day and every shift. They know what a table should perform every day (and shift). If there is an unusual result they may chalk it up to variance for a day or two if they know some higher end player got lucky and won that day or night. But what you are claiming is just complete non-sense by a person that just doesn't know how the industry works.
"Casinos think baccarat can't be beat so they just allow players to beat it for millions". Goofy ass, Singer-esque type stuff. Several planets to the east of reality.
But you go on. This kind of bullshit is welcome here. I am not going to bother getting involved with another one of you lunatics though. We are done.
Do me a favor. And I ask this respectfully. Just stop directing anything to or towards me. I just am not interested in dealing with another one of you baccarat nut cases who thinks what you read on tick tok, reddit or youtube is real. That is as far from gambling reality as you can get.
So do what you want. say what you want. another fucftard making ridiculous claims here isn't going to matter. Just leave me out of it.
Thank you and have a delusional day.
Oh look, a retard says he's a longterm winner without using any AP. Never seen that before.
That's right, and exactly what happened with Jacobson's big player.
Your logic is all FUBAR.
Pointing at something on a forum has no effect on whether or not a player has been winning or has won.
Additionally, there are no forum requirements whatsoever to either be a winning player, or to claim to be a winning player.
An individual player doesn't need a mathematical edge to win. As a matter of fact, the math proves that a player can win without a mathematical edge. Jacobson confirmed it...and it happens continuously.
Any analysis relying on expectation must encompass the entire scale of expected results, including winning.
Their comps only prove that they have played, not whether or not they have won or lost overall. If it's important to you to prove that they have not won overall, then your opinion about "the way things work" proves nothing.
I suppose that it could happen in theory, but I doubt it is happening as soxfan claims.
No, I think he wants bathe in the reflected glory (or is it shame?) of KJ and the hound who gather a great deal of attention for their unsubstantiated claims.
Sure, he sees how the game works and now he wants to play: that's cool.
How could he participate in a challenge and protect his anonymity?
The challenge is the only way to prove anything. By playing on a fly against real result in real time will prove, without doubt my claim. Otherwise any proof I provide will have squealing cunts come over the top to say that the proff was doctored, photo-shop, whatever. Now you keep yer nose in the fraud-j's asshole and maybe he'll give you a shot after he's done with his hen-peck jew boyfriend, hey hey.
As I have explained, people saying the things like Soxfan are claiming just don't understand how the casino industry works.
here is another example. Soxfan claim: $56k a month so lets round to 600k a year in winnings from several casinos.
ok casinos have a number usually, 40 to 50k for standard midlevel better that they tolerate as a lifetime win amount. LIFETIME. Some larger casinos it is closer to 100k. But only if you are betting bigger. What this number means is that even if they don't suspect or see you doing something like counting cards, hole carding ect, once a player reaches this number they are not going to tolerate much more and the clamps really come down.
And playing anonymous helps but doesn't completely absolve this situation. They still have ways of knowing and tracking players. And players try all sorts of things like rat-holing chips to try to make their lifetime earning remain below this number. Again, that may help some, but their are dangers and risks with that as well. You may end up inflating the very number you want to make look smaller.
So Sox fan claims 600k a year at several casinos. What is several? 4? 5? 3? He is already above this threshold in less than a year. Less than 6 months.
Now compare that to what I have done to achieve longevity. I averaged 80k (playing blackjack for 10-12 years prior to starting to play differently in the past several years. so 80K ayear. I played a large rotation of Las Vegas casinos, ranging in size from small to medium (Stations type casinos) to larger strip casinos. That large rotation consisted of 26-30 different casinos. Some years more than 30. And some of the bigger casinos with multiple pits almost count as 2 casinos if you keep accurate records to keep your play from accumulating in any one pit. Add in that I made two trips every year to the east coast to play PA casinos and usually at least one trip somewhere else to play several casinos (Reno, pac NW, gulf coast).
So my 80k a year was spread out over 40-50 casinos every year. Do the math. That is an average of about 2 grand per casino per year. Now of course that is average. Some casinos I would win more, some less. Some I would even lose for the year. But even my top casino I was well below any threshold that would become problematic as far as lifetime win. Way, way below. And if I would happen to have a casino that I just did extremely well one year, I would stop playing and take a break until the next year.
THAT may sound counter-productive to stop playing your best or most winningest casino but THAT is how you achieve longevity. Longevity just doesn't occurs out of the blue. It just doesn't happen. A player has to work at it. Keep really good records. spread you play around. Learn when to take a break.
I have shared some of that. Not everything in great detail, because I decide what I can and can't share or don't want to share. But when some yahoo comes along claiming longevity and winning amounts that casinos would never stand for, it does irk me. these are people I know are full of shit because they don't understand the game and how it is played and they don't understand how the casino industry works. They are bullshitters talking out their ass. And as someone who really works at winning and knows what it takes and what you can and can't do, it even pisses me off when these yahoos come spreading their fantasy stories and claims.
Only skimmed KJs post but it looks to be wrong.
If you have a non-obvious angle and you limit your session wins and mix in unrated play if possible you can accumulate very large cumulative wins.
There have been a number of cases where the accumulated losses on a game were so large that the casino just removed it entirely without ever figuring out what was wrong or who was responsible.
With a baccarat angle you should basically be able to last indefinitely if you do it right.
Learning what is and isn't tolerated and playing within casino comfort or tolerated levels encompasses a range of different things.
Betting limits. (max bets)
Session length
Session wins
yearly and lifetime wins at that casino.
And they are not unrelated. Some fold into one another. For example if you play short sessions with some exit triggers that ensure shorts sessions and play mid level betting limits that are well tolerated, you just won't have that many really big session wins that someone has to answer for. And without these large session wins, you won't breach the yearly and lifetime win amounts that are tolerated.
It all works together. Or like I said, you can claim winning millions and that casinos and casino personnel that would lose their jobs just don't care and love you.
But in the end, "it just doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just taking" . :rolleyes:
I personally know of a few cats, at my local mortars and brick joint what went for many months and even more than a year where they capture six and seven figure profits at the baccarats and they never got backed off. the casinos do NOT view baccarats action in the same way that they view 21 table action. cats get backed of at 21 for just winnings 30-40ks, by being lucky and not even counting. The only cat what I know got backed off from the baccarats is the Phil Ivey and the oriental broad what he teamed up with but the were doing something very overt what they casino picked up on, hey hey.
You DO KNOW that casinos can and will track your play whether you are playing rated or not right? If you play unrated for even moderate stakes, the casino will assign a temporary name/identity to you for tracking purposes. If you are not a regular somewhat know player it is only for that session/day. But if you are a regular player at that casino, that name/identity carries over and they will track you much the same as if you are playing rated. So why play unrated then? well it makes it a little harder and some pit members might now be familiar and miss tracking you. Basically you just don't want to make it easy for them like playing rated does. But in no way are you going to win larger amounts even over months and not be tracked.
The basis of my assertion is that I have a very good friend in the industry working at a strip casino that I talk about these things regularly with. I pick his brain (and he knows it) because I want to know all I can. Additionally I have had the pleasure and good fortune to speak with a number of other casino management types in the industry including a top surveillance guy that was a guest in Norms chat room. I exchanged emails with him and we talked some for several years after.
Real advantage play is not what movies or some of these guys make it out to be. It is not just gambling and winning. You learn everything you can learn. You never stop learning how things work. What is and isn't tolerated. You devise plans and new plans based on this. And when something goes wrong and you run into some problems, you re-evaluate, revise your plan and attack and move forward. It a a plan and constant adjustments based on new things learned.
It isn't "Oh I win, win, win and no one cares". That is what I have tried to share. But you people, even some AP's want to focus on stupid shit, like I don't like him because..... instead. You simply dont want to see and wont accept what you don't want to see. Dont know why I waste my time here. That is on me I guess.
Anyway, I have a new set of football games to watch (4:30 games, 7:30 in the east). And a hockey parlay. :rolleyes: Haven't had a great day so far, hoping for a better late afternoon and evening. Then heading out later for some blackjack play. Full day for me.
So not going to waste any more time on these baccarat freaks.
ps: I usually bet monets games individually, but went with his parlay today. Not sure why.
It is incredible that UNKewLyingJ would still come with the make pretend about having anything to do with the casinos beyond playing a lil red to green as cover for sugar daddy ploys.
He came with changing versions of the "MGM Execs visited me on Halloween" fable too, which was also based on fictional connections within the casino industry.
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They have a hard time keeping up.
When I worked for the MGM, I took some classes on protection.
Cheating is rampant.
You should see some of the moves caught on camera, lol.
The smarties have the floor and dealer in on it.
Heck, they might even have security in on the scam.
How the hell is a cat gonna cheat when he's buckin up against the live dealt game online, hey hey????
What SoxFan has posted is at least a compilation of claimed exact results. And he backs this up with a proposed Challenge. Miles above anything you ever have presented, notwithstanding that you are constantly caught in lies and contradictions that make anything you say suspect.
All UNKewlJ ever offered, until was an inane "I have won exactly what I should have" and an occasionally rising by multiples of $500K at a jump, claimed aggregate lifetime win.
I know what my advantage is and yet I've won more than expected. That someone could say that he won exactly what he expects to have when where even his fable is that he doesn't play rated or even know exactly what his handle is, and his math and memory abilities have been demonstrated to be abysmal, fits precisely with a complete B.S. story of someone whoand then comes on hereQuote:
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Another thing, casino up here can't give a cat the gavel, simply for wining well and regular, hey hey.
What am I missing? Is it funny for people to come here, spout all kinds of gambling voodoo nonsense and then spew all kinds of racial and homophobic and general hateful attacks at people who challenge their ridiculous claims? is that what passes for fun or funny now?
I didn't like it when first Alan allowed that of Rob Singer, but that was really before my time, But I didn't like it when Druff continued to allow Singer to do so. I didn't like it when Mdawg showed up coping Singers playbook. And now we have Soxfan doing the exact same thing. Nonsensical gambling claims and then attacking people with racial, anti-sematic and homophobic attacks.
Is this what passes for gambling discussion and a gambling forum?
Uh....Clem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwN1N07_0eQ
Well old chaps, I'm back at it. I gotta say that I no longer really enjoy grinding baccarats but the casino is just offerings profits on the silver platter and I can't just leave that cake on a table. I'm thinking about maybe payin a cat, the salary to grind my style for me so I can have my cake and eat it too, as they say, hey hey.
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Well cats I'm back in the saddle again starting to capture profits, rights and lefts, hey hey.
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Oh for God sakes!! This is as meaningless as Mdawg posting his 4 day totals at WoV of $4000, $40.000, $108,000 and $13,000.
Just has zero meaning soxfan.