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  1. #6661
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Nobody anywhere on WoV or VCT ever once gave a flying fuck about tipsters and gypsters and wise guys contests.
    Tipster = Rat
    Gypster = Con Man
    Wise Guy = Murderer
    Resume of a hate site contributor

  2. #6662
    Good job AlexWolf, for calling out your buddy Rusty, saying he wasn't the best fit, for the dog/ev challenge. The two best candidates for this( if it happens) would be AlexW himself and Todd. This challenge is horrendous for Expected Value and very surprised, he seems willing to do so. It was pretty LOL how fast Rusty jumped at the 500$, while dismissing challenges without monetary incentive in the past. Shows a lot about his character, but everyone seems to trust him. Man of great integrity LOL !!

  3. #6663
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Good job AlexWolf, for calling out your buddy Rusty, saying he wasn't the best fit, for the dog/ev challenge. The two best candidates for this( if it happens) would be AlexW himself and Todd.
    It is becoming crystal clear Shackleford is biased and probably shouldn't be involved in any way. Mike has been going out of his way to protect Mdawg and these ridiculous claims. Suspending people, public and private warnings to people, arranging deals that essential ban members from the Mdawg thread. Yesterday, Wizard suspended terapined for comments that wizard viewed as trolling Mdawg, when terapined comment was at coach belly who terapined even quoted when he made the comments. On top of that the comment was that coach belly "had posted 14 times in 6 hours on Sunday, making posting a fulltime job". Hell, I beat that record many days , but how is that a suspendable comment? Only in Wizardworld and only when he is protecting and biased towards someone like Mdawg.

    It could be that the bias being shown is Wizards doing, resulting from Mdawg chewing on his ear in private, manipulating him as Mdawg clearly has done. Or it could be Wizard protecting what he views as a poster creating a lot of traffic (that alternative agenda is always a problem with these forum owners), or it could even be that powers above Wizard told him to protect a poster bring traffic to the forum.

    Frankly I doubt it is the last option as I don't think those guys care that much about forum traffic from repeated posting by regular members who aren't patronizing their products (online casinos). So that leaves for whatever reason, Wizard bias, which taints everything. Mike should take a look at the list posted here of people this Mdawg senior citizen fellow called out. 27 names! mostly of AP that have challenged him because they don't believe a word of his bullshit stories. And then there is Wizard protecting and providing the platform. (Insert shaking my head emoji if there was one.)
    The fictitious, fairytales of Mdawg have been moved to the betting system voodoo section at WoV, proving that it is all make believe.

  4. #6664
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Monet, just go to a Mexican market and pick up a bottle of Coca-Cola (you can verify the ingredients before purchase). The Mexican markets all carry Coca-Cola with sugar.
    Thanks!
    I heard about this but also heard they had/have some Quality Control issues.
    Not sure if that is true.
    Sometimes I buy Kosher and they have Coke made from real sugar.
    No problem. Well there may be some residual Kosher ones at the regular markets since Passover just ended (i.e. excess/unsold inventory). Other possibilities include Costco or perhaps Sam's Club - but I'm not totally certain they aren't selling Mexican Coca-Cola like the Mexican markets do.
    Your Canadian idea sounds interesting and perhaps Vegas has some places similar to Bevmo! that sell such items.

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    The Wiz suspended me for three days but at least he seems to have let my post stand.

    Worth it.

    While I have blocked DoofDawg on both WoV and VCT that doesn't mean I think his blizzard of bullshit should continue unchallenged.

    Hopefully he saw a bit of himself in that thread (of course it was, like his stories, a work of fiction and any resemblance to actual persons is strictly a coincidence) and will have an epiphany.

    Yeah, right.
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  6. #6666
    I will also add, Rusty acts as though he doesn't read most threads(bullshit) and is always gone away prohibiting him from reading the busiest threads 10-15min day. He has 22000+ posts many are self serving or on asinine topics with little no traffic. Yet when someone, offers him a measly 5 hundy he jumps and asks how high. Kind of reminds me of the whole Tin- Cup fiasco. I wouldn't trust this shell of a man if my life depended on it. How he has any kind of cred is beyond my comprehension......Weasel

  7. #6667
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Good job AlexWolf, for calling out your buddy Rusty, saying he wasn't the best fit, for the dog/ev challenge. The two best candidates for this( if it happens) would be AlexW himself and Todd. This challenge is horrendous for Expected Value and very surprised, he seems willing to do so. It was pretty LOL how fast Rusty jumped at the 500$, while dismissing challenges without monetary incentive in the past. Shows a lot about his character, but everyone seems to trust him. Man of great integrity LOL !!
    I suspect that whomever MDawg works for, or whatever family member funds his vegas trips will look at this situation and fund MDawgs play in order to scoop up the 2k. Therefore, I think this is dumb and proves absolutely nothing other than the fact that even -EV gamblers can see when they are hit in the face with a valuable opportunity. Hell, there is no way to even know if it will be MDawg himself placing the bets. If it were me I would make sure it was in fact MDawg himself who was doing the playing. I would be suspicious if suddenly MDawg had a friend or family member with him.

  8. #6668
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I suspect that whomever MDawg works for, or whatever family member funds his vegas trips will look at this situation and fund MDawgs play in order to scoop up the 2k. Therefore, I think this is dumb and proves absolutely nothing other than the fact that even -EV gamblers can see when they are hit in the face with a valuable opportunity. Hell, there is no way to even know if it will be MDawg himself placing the bets. If it were me I would make sure it was in fact MDawg himself who was doing the playing. I would be suspicious if suddenly MDawg had a friend or family member with him.
    There is still a possibility that you are 100% right about Mdawg not being the person that bets and gets these comps and all, but instead is a friend , employee or family member of. While it looks a little less likely than say a week ago, you could still be 100% right and I wouldn't bet against you, because you are pretty good at the BS detection.

    BUT, there is also the possibility that Mdawg is basically who he says he is. (I don't believe the lawyer because even lowlife lawyers types don't act like he does), but he could be a guy with family money that is a somewhat highroller. In that case the part he is leaving out is all the losing, which qualified for the perks. I think this is a real possibility as well. But the story, the great fairytale as he tells it.....not a chance!
    The fictitious, fairytales of Mdawg have been moved to the betting system voodoo section at WoV, proving that it is all make believe.

  9. #6669
    I mentioned this before, but didn't get a lot of response, but based on what this old fellow, trying to act all cool with the Mdawg handle, posts, 1 session a day, sometimes a very short session, with average wagers 1200, there is no way the casinos he is mentioning are comping him high end suites for weeks at a time. Maybe at some smaller, lesser property, but the levels he is betting by his own account, he would get free rooms, maybe a suite on slower weekday, but these month long stays in high end suites, just ANOTHER piece that doesn't fit.

    Ever try to do a jigsaw puzzle while visiting someone in a retirement home? Lots of pieces but none of them fit and half aren't even from that puzzle.
    The fictitious, fairytales of Mdawg have been moved to the betting system voodoo section at WoV, proving that it is all make believe.

  10. #6670
    I believe there's only 1 lawyer on this forum from the west coast.

  11. #6671
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Hell, there is no way to even know if it will be MDawg himself placing the bets
    Apparently Wizard has spoken on the telephone to MDawg,
    and I assume they will be speaking by phone again to plan the meetup.

    Don't you think he'll be able to tell if the person who shows up
    is the same person that he's been speaking to on the phone?

    They could always do a Facetime call, wouldn't that work for ID purposes?

    I suspect that in addition to watching MDawg play, MDawg will present
    other evidence he has (computer records, credit line info, W/L statements).

    Shack agreed to examine all this stuff earlier, but has been too busy until now.

    Will you accept the Wizard's evaluation of all things MDawg ?

  12. #6672
    The funny thing to me is that few still see Mike as an unbiased individual. Even those who still say they consider him a friend would admit if they were honest that he isn’t unbiased.

    And those same people would tell you Axel is much more trusted than Mike is. Other than the outliers who argue anything, and Monet for whatever reason, you would be hard pressed to find someone say they don’t trust Axel. And he earned that trust through his actions over decades. Mike on the other hand has proven he can be bitter, vindictive and more over and over.

    The MDawg situation alone shows he isn’t unbiased and as Ozzy said, jumped right at the opportunity to meet up for $500. If he really wanted to clarify the entire MD deal in the name of math, calling out BS and more he would have done it long ago. MD’s claims are the worst mathematically in the 10 years plus I read that forum.

    In any case I think we all agree this won’t prove anything and Mike is as complacent in this hoax as anyone else. Again, the question is WHY?
    Find MDawgs Adventures at WoV filed under fiction right here.... All betting systems are worthless. However, for the mathematically challenged, here is a forum of your own

  13. #6673
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    this won’t prove anything
    What if Mike's evaluation is damaging or negative, that whatever he
    witnesses doesn't confirm much or any of what MDawg has claimed?

    Then will you accept his evaluation?

  14. #6674
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    The funny thing to me is that few still see Mike as an unbiased individual. Even those who still say they consider him a friend would admit if they were honest that he isn’t unbiased.

    And those same people would tell you Axel is much more trusted than Mike is. Other than the outliers who argue anything, and Monet for whatever reason, you would be hard pressed to find someone say they don’t trust Axel. And he earned that trust through his actions over decades. Mike on the other hand has proven he can be bitter, vindictive and more over and over.

    The MDawg situation alone shows he isn’t unbiased and as Ozzy said, jumped right at the opportunity to meet up for $500. If he really wanted to clarify the entire MD deal in the name of math, calling out BS and more he would have done it long ago. MD’s claims are the worst mathematically in the 10 years plus I read that forum.

    In any case I think we all agree this won’t prove anything and Mike is as complacent in this hoax as anyone else. Again, the question is WHY?
    While I agree with just about everything I don't view the $500 as you and others do. Mdawgs originally contacted Mike about meeting up so Mdawg could present documents, win statements and such that of course can be fabricated. (Let's hope Mdawg is better at it than Singer ). But Mdawg made it clear it was not for Mike to witness his play, which makes no sense as THAT is what all of this is about. Under those conditions, Mike said, he didn't feel it worth his time to go to the strip.

    You know a lot of us that live in Vegas, try to avoid the strip, unless we have reason to play there. Traffic and parking and just a hassle. Mike didn't see it worthwhile for getting some paper work that wasn't going to prove anything. So $500 is $500 dollars. I would make a trip to the strip for an hour for $500. Even considering it would probably take two hours with travel and parking, that is twice my hourly.

    The other thing is I still hope Mike isn't complacent in this as you said. I hope he has just read it wrong. One of the big things I think he is misreading and wrong about is Mike says MDawg could be telling the truth because Mdawg convinced Mike that he has a 500k bankroll and Mike says "give me a $500k bankroll and I could leverage it (progressive system) to make 5-10 thousand a day for many days before the bottom fell out". And he is right, that is the way progression systems work. You are basically chasing losses, but eventually you will lose those bigger bets too and the bottom falls out.

    BUT here is where Mike is wrong. Mdawg has never indicated in his great fairytale about betting 100's of thousands of dollars. I mentioned this and coach belly was able to find a $40 TOTAL markers described or was it 50k for one session. That is the most in the hole he has ever mentioned. So THAT is the bankroll that has to be considered. So Mike should re-evaluate. With a 50k bankroll could you leverage it to make 5-10 thousand every day for 51 straight days or whatever? session after session, day after day, for month long trips, several times a year? Not a chance in hell.
    The fictitious, fairytales of Mdawg have been moved to the betting system voodoo section at WoV, proving that it is all make believe.

  15. #6675
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    this won’t prove anything
    What if Mike's evaluation is damaging or negative, that whatever he
    witnesses doesn't confirm much or any of what MDawg has claimed?

    Then will you accept his evaluation?
    No because what I read, and I haven’t kept up on the exact details today, won’t prove anything I don’t already believe.

    I have made it clear before I believe MD is a rich guy, and much of what he says is semi true. I believe he is in Vegas playing at semi high stakes and is staying comped in suites. What I don’t believe is he wins constantly or at will. And a short period of play won’t prove anything either way. He could win or could lose short term, but I know he doesn’t win like he claims. And he doesn’t talk about his loses or he would be out on his ass and certainly wouldn’t be comped.

    The questions I have won’t be answered, where he got his money and why he is such an insecure asshole who acts as he does towards people on a forum. And why he gets so upset we see him exactly for the liar he is.

    If I could get a 3rd answer it would be to find out if his wife is present, and if so did Mike say anything inappropriate to her? And did he ask any questions about her to MDawg? Based on Mike’s history, that is the best bet out of all this.

    The last time Mike was in such a hurry to get to the strip was to meet Juicy Jennie. $500 must be worth a lot to him at this point, obviously more than being worried about the claims of MD he has allowed for years.
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  16. #6676
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    If I could get a 3rd answer it would be to find out if his wife is present, and if so did Mike say anything inappropriate to her? And did he ask any questions about her to MDawg? Based on Mike’s history, that is the best bet out of all this.
    Boy, you juts can't/won't let this go! That's ok, if it is important to you. I have been known to hold on to shit too long on occasion (or so I have been told)

    Ok, so ummm, I don't think any of this is going to get to the bottom of why Mdawg is such an asshole and acts as he does. Would take years of therapy to get into that.

    I like your new signature, Boz.
    The fictitious, fairytales of Mdawg have been moved to the betting system voodoo section at WoV, proving that it is all make believe.

  17. #6677
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    The funny thing to me is that few still see Mike as an unbiased individual. Even those who still say they consider him a friend would admit if they were honest that he isn’t unbiased.

    And those same people would tell you Axel is much more trusted than Mike is. Other than the outliers who argue anything, and Monet for whatever reason, you would be hard pressed to find someone say they don’t trust Axel. And he earned that trust through his actions over decades. Mike on the other hand has proven he can be bitter, vindictive and more over and over.

    The MDawg situation alone shows he isn’t unbiased and as Ozzy said, jumped right at the opportunity to meet up for $500. If he really wanted to clarify the entire MD deal in the name of math, calling out BS and more he would have done it long ago. MD’s claims are the worst mathematically in the 10 years plus I read that forum.

    In any case I think we all agree this won’t prove anything and Mike is as complacent in this hoax as anyone else. Again, the question is WHY?
    While I agree with just about everything I don't view the $500 as you and others do. Mdawgs originally contacted Mike about meeting up so Mdawg could present documents, win statements and such that of course can be fabricated. (Let's hope Mdawg is better at it than Singer ). But Mdawg made it clear it was not for Mike to witness his play, which makes no sense as THAT is what all of this is about. Under those conditions, Mike said, he didn't feel it worth his time to go to the strip.

    You know a lot of us that live in Vegas, try to avoid the strip, unless we have reason to play there. Traffic and parking and just a hassle. Mike didn't see it worthwhile for getting some paper work that wasn't going to prove anything. So $500 is $500 dollars. I would make a trip to the strip for an hour for $500. Even considering it would probably take two hours with travel and parking, that is twice my hourly.

    The other thing is I still hope Mike isn't complacent in this as you said. I hope he has just read it wrong. One of the big things I think he is misreading and wrong about is Mike says MDawg could be telling the truth because Mdawg convinced Mike that he has a 500k bankroll and Mike says "give me a $500k bankroll and I could leverage it (progressive system) to make 5-10 thousand a day for many days before the bottom fell out". And he is right, that is the way progression systems work. You are basically chasing losses, but eventually you will lose those bigger bets too and the bottom falls out.

    BUT here is where Mike is wrong. Mdawg has never indicated in his great fairytale about betting 100's of thousands of dollars. I mentioned this and coach belly was able to find a $40 TOTAL markers described or was it 50k for one session. That is the most in the hole he has ever mentioned. So THAT is the bankroll that has to be considered. So Mike should re-evaluate. With a 50k bankroll could you leverage it to make 5-10 thousand every day for 51 straight days or whatever? session after session, day after day, for month long trips, several times a year? Not a chance in hell.
    Someone who claims to be worth 9 figures, why would they have a paltry bankroll of only 50k. Especially considering he wins at EVERY endeavor known to mankind and NEVER loses. Why not have 7 or even 8 figures accessible he's literally able to print money at will.... As far as logistics to the strip, you and Rusty are long distance runners no need for the hassles of traffic, just run.there. Problem solved.

  18. #6678
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I believe MD is a rich guy, and much of what he says is semi true.
    I believe he is in Vegas playing at semi high stakes and is staying comped in suites.
    Understood.

    But I think Expectedvalue's challenge is designed to confirm what you already believe,
    so your mind is made up no matter what Mike witnesses or reports.

    Those who don't believe as you do won't accept Mike's evaluation either,
    their minds are made up no matter what Mike witnesses or reports too.

    Isn't that bias, or prejudice?

    Many consider Mike to be unbiased, and don't know what he will witness or report.

    And many are interested to read what MDawg's record shows,
    and not certain that the record, as Mike reports it, will prove nothing.

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    You never can tell who has money.

    Sam Walton still kept and drove his old 1979 F-150 pick up in his home town til he died, and ate at the same humble places: that's class.

    People who brag about their (alleged) wealth to strangers on anonymous message boards obviously have issues with self esteem, invariably for a good reason: I suspect nature "short-changed" these poor souls and they seek solace online to help make up for the mockery and pity they receive in the bedroom.

    Of course not all such braggarts are hung like hamsters: some are just complete shitheads, probably coming from a long line of same.
    What, Me Worry?

  20. #6680
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    People who brag about their (alleged) wealth to strangers on anonymous message boards obviously have issues with self esteem
    People who constantly criticize others also obviously have issues with self esteem.

    For someone with low self-esteem, lashing out or becoming aggressive towards others
    is a defense mechanism.

    Insecure people often use criticism of others as a way to feel better about themselves.

    So there's that.

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