The WoV Thread

[mickeycrimm]

It's just the inviolate belief that forms the psyche of the "AP". The more their lives spiral out of control through simplistically mathematical micromanagement, the more they want to retreat deeper into that burning barn of EV. The "fire" of their losses is good. Buy or paste up another gambling "book". It's that you think you can bullshit that you have a good bet. Money won is twice as good as money earned.

I very rarely have a losing day collecting EV. I laugh at you all the way to the bank.

Oh poor mickey. You're already known throughout the forums as a big beautiful storyteller. So why would you want to believe people don't think you're simply making up more stories when you talk about a busted-out old Nevada bum winning six figures a year at Indian casinos now!?

I wondered how you would know so much about food stamps, the day they are delivered and everything. Now I know, Welfare Rob Argentino.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickeycrimm says "he had a great day for accumulated EV but a bad day with the results."

I'll accept that regnis, won't you? I found several supermarkets and restaurants that now accept EV for payment.

I pay with cash I made at the casino. Mendelshit, you are one dumass MF. Every casino in the world must collect positive EV in order to pay the bills. Now get your nose back up Welfare Rob's ass.

[mickeycrimm]

We've got a lot of people around here that just can't get what "accumulated" means. "Accumulated" is the past tense of "accumulate." So if you have "accumulated EV" it is all in the past. It has no bearing on the future. None. Zilch. Nada. Fanita Lama Sica. You compare your "accumulated" EV to the results you had running it.

So knock off the bullshit of trying to represent it as AP's saying "since I lost while having positive EV that means I will run above expectation in the future." That's bullshit invented by ignorant and stupid trolls on this site.

so I accumulated 50 dolars in discover reward dollars.....and in the future I can cash itout for a Lowes giftcard. Even though I accumulated in the past, I can enrich myself in the future.

In fact I was told by my financial professional that I can use my accumulated EV as collateral for a loan. My accountant reports it on my tax returns yearly.
For folks on food stamps, like singer.....walmart accepts accumulated EV along with EBT cards.

I pay cash I made at the casino while collecting positive EV..

[mickeycrimm]

i once was driving to a florida casino, and stupidly I was carrying all of my accumulated EV. I got stopped in a speed trap, and the fucking officer confiscated all of my EV suspecting it was accumulated illegally. ALL OF IT!!!!!!

nest time i will wire in my EV and let the casino hold onto it.

or Find a better way to conceal it...like in the tire.....or in a condom shoved up my ass. (reccomended to me by KJ)

I paid my speeding ticket off with money I made at the casino collecting positive EV.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickeycrimm says "he had a great day for accumulated EV but a bad day with the results."

I'll accept that regnis, won't you? I found several supermarkets and restaurants that now accept EV for payment.

I pay cash at restaurants and supermarkets that I made while collecting positive EV at the casino.

[mickeycrimm]

Time to post your proof of your food stamp fraud allegation, KJ, unless you're too fixated on crafting more antisemitic screeds.

Well past time for Welfare Rob to produce those tax returns he promised he would deliver to Alan. Long, Long overdue. Like two years overdue.

[Keystone]

Not living off my winnings Larry and never said I was. No way we could live this life on $50k or even $94k +/year. Ever filled up a 250-pound very hungry lady?

Now we know kew lives on FAR less than that, but look at where he and his clan live. And mickey....$15k/year is all it takes to keep spanking his little monkey.

Yeah that must be expensive....will take your word for it tho

[kewlJ]

Hey I see Welfare Rob is back on board. Rob is giving his permission for me to post the info on him. That means he has his little story all ready to go. Been working on that for 3 days Singer? For what it's worth, I don't need your permission to post....it's public info. But I have no more need to post anything further. I made my point, showing who we are dealing with and it surprised no one. And anyone who wants to verify it, do so. I am not going to do the work for you. Look it up...public info. Only reason it is relevant is it confirms who we are and have been dealing with.

For anyone investigating, I'd look up Alan Mark Mendelson, currently of Las Vegas, but you are going to want to search for info at former addresses, Canogo Park, Los Angeles, Ca, and Ventura Ca. Interesting reading. Again just sheds a little light as to who we are dealing with here.

Ok, so The trolls here in trollville have been busy today while I was out building EV. So let's get started:

No Alan, the supermarkets do not take EV as payment. But they do take cash. I have earned $1,147,000 in my AP career, now in my 15th years. $907,000 of that is from blackjack play, which is what we are discussing. Now unfortunately, I didn't track EV all 15 of those years. In the early years, I didn't even know about or understand EV, much like some of you.

So I only have EV data for the last 7 years 2011 thru 2017. During that time, my blackjack earnings were $507,142.50 vs EV (expected value for my amount of play) was $521,857. See how that works. Over the long run, and we can debate exactly what constitutes long run, but over the long run EV and actual results will be very close, IF you are playing a sound game. That is what EV is, expected results for your play. In the short term, like a day or a week, or even month(s) they may not be the same....the may look very different, like an $8800 loss vs EV of $350+. That is meaningless. That is just variance. But in the long run they MUST come reasonably close together. This is a mathematical fact. (Law of Large Numbers). So this is why many players track EV rather than meaningless short-term results, which is just variance or fluctuation.

Now I know this isn't going to mean anything to Alan, LarryS and those mocking me, mocking what they have no clue about. You know it's funny, on a couple of the blackjack sites I participate on, as a signature I used to use "I track daily EV rather than results, that way every day is a winning day and in the end the two will come together". Not one person ever challenged or mocked that signature because these were successful AP's who understood the math. Only here on this site, do a handful of idiots mock this concept, because they haven't got a clue. And yes, you guys are "idiots"!! Not because you don't understand the concept. There is no shame in not understanding something. You are idiots because you mock what you don't understand....don't have a F-ing clue about.

Alan, you in particular are blinded by your contempt for me and Larry S is right behind you. You refuse to see the facts or the proven math because you are blinded by hatred.

So let's see: I have made over $900,000 from blackjack card counting in 14.5 years, every year a winning year. By his own admission, Alan has never had a winning year! What is that 40, 45 straight losing years? I wonder who knows what the fuck they are talking about.

[MisterV]

And anyone who wants to verify it, do so. I am not going to do the work for you. Look it up...public info. Only reason it is relevant is it confirms who we are and have been dealing with.

That is so fucking chickenshit of you, KJ, to make inflammatory, slanderous accusations and refuse to provide any proof.

Time to cowboy up: or are you all hat and no cattle?

Seriously, you claimed it, now prove it.

This is the court of public opinion.

[kewlJ]

With gambling, there is no long run, over time, or on average. There's only a short run that repeats itself.

This is Rob Singer nonsense. It is fantasyland. And very easy to disprove.

Flip a coin 10 times. What are the chances 8 head come up (out of 10)? Not that long right?

Now Flip a coin 1000 times. What are the chances 800 heads come up? About the same as 18 y.o.'s in a row.

So why is that? Why can't the short run of 8 out of 10, just keep repeating itself? Answer because it doesn't work that way. LAW of LARGE NUMBERS! Learn the math friend, because Life is Mathematics. And learn the real math, not Singer alternative math.

[coach belly]

Look it up...public info.

It doesn't ring true when you're not even willing to post a link.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus...false in one thing, false in everything.

This tewlj character is an admitted and proven liar, and now a complete fraud...nothing he writes can be believed.

If the Singer welfare/foodstamps accusation can be verified, I will humbly apologize to tewlJ and never post here again.

Does anyone have a link?

[LarryS]

thats rather weak analogy since i never sucked the dick of the wiz, i never walked on eggshells for the wiz, i never congratulated the wiz for punishing someone, and I have a backbone.

Fuck off with that bullshit, LarryS.

To infer that I "sucked the dick of the wiz" etc. is pure fantasy on your part.

I just don't hate the guy like you do; you know damned well I've taken him to task on issues of concern to me, notably the "tin cup" debacle.

OK, you can get back to mocking AP's again, I've said what needed to be said.

If the best you can do is cite that you called the wiz "unmanly" for waiving the tin cup RIGHT to his face.....oops i mean from the safe distance of another site(GG)...then I grant you that....then I stand corrected. Yet in doing that not one single eggshell was disturbed. And this is the best example you can come up with ?

And I dont "hate" the wiz. Life is too short to be consumed with "hate". That would cause me anxiety and angst. Hate does that. I dont even hate the nazi's that killed half of my family. I wont let them have that kind of power over me. So no I dont "hate" shackleford and his followers. I more feel sorry for them. The nerdy fraternity. I dont hate the mods. I dont hate you. I am just an observer/commentator of life....and like to point out hypocrisy among other things.

My posts in the past about the wiz and people at wov was not based on hate. If it was , I would sound more like WoN on GF, or TwaoDood on patrick site...or OAB on GF......now those are people filled with "hate" ..you can sense it in their manic ramblings, out of control..very much filled with emotion to the point where the anxiety caused by the hate came through in the posts.


While just last week KJ again referenced how he was treated with QFIT.....I generally stay away from the me me me stuff as then it would seem I am just self serving with my commentary. It would be viewed as "rants"....as things are when people things its all about me me me.

So no....I never hated him. That would make him a big winner. I wouldnt give him that satisfaction or power over me.

So you can cling onto your 3 year old "push back" from a distance while the eggshells on WOV remained in tact.

[kewlJ]

While just last week KJ again referenced how he was treated with QFIT....

Completely untrue, LarryS. I referenced how Wizard was treated by QFIT.

Perhaps it went over your head. I asked if anyone had seen the useful posts that QFIT posted recently? That was a joke because QFIT hasn't posted in quite some time. Just like he hadn't for 5 full years before he showed up to use, bully and manipulate Shackleford. Once QFIT got what he wanted, he disappeared, leaving Shackleford laying there all used up like a little bitch.

[Bill Yung]

With gambling, there is no long run, over time, or on average. There's only a short run that repeats itself.

This is Rob Singer nonsense. It is fantasyland. And very easy to disprove.

Flip a coin 10 times. What are the chances 8 head come up (out of 10)? Not that long right?

Now Flip a coin 1000 times. What are the chances 800 heads come up? About the same as 18 y.o.'s in a row.

So why is that? Why can't the short run of 8 out of 10, just keep repeating itself? Answer because it doesn't work that way. LAW of LARGE NUMBERS! Learn the math friend, because Life is Mathematics. And learn the real math, not Singer alternative math.

Oh, boy, you are so stupid and blind to the truth. Put it back into its context, please. In the original post.

On average, over time, in the long run: pick your poison.

Someone please wake me up from this nightmare.

With gambling, there is no long run, over time, or on average. There's only a short run that repeats itself.

I referred to the "nightmare" Alan referred to. The nightmare of a bunch of stupid, nay, sick, grown-up "kids" with mothers in tow who think they matter. No, I mean that internal dialogue of the forever casino damned.

The "short run" of behaviour that "repeats" itself on also this very forum. The silly "conspiracy of dunces" that thinks everyone is against them no matter what is said. The ones who leave in a huff, every couple of weeks, only to return as if they've had a frontal lobotomy or other manner of drunken amnesia. The slimy jokes, threats and other sub-human verbiage.

Talk about a non-gotcha moment. Holy cow!

[Bill Yung]

I guess that there are a lot of smarty pants characters on here that just insert whichever meaning causes them the most relief from their gambling pains. So be it. Arseholes like Crimm haven't seen anything, yet.

[Rob.Singer]

With gambling, there is no long run, over time, or on average. There's only a short run that repeats itself.

This is Rob Singer nonsense. It is fantasyland. And very easy to disprove.

Flip a coin 10 times. What are the chances 8 head come up (out of 10)? Not that long right?

Now Flip a coin 1000 times. What are the chances 800 heads come up? About the same as 18 y.o.'s in a row.

So why is that? Why can't the short run of 8 out of 10, just keep repeating itself? Answer because it doesn't work that way. LAW of LARGE NUMBERS! Learn the math friend, because Life is Mathematics. And learn the real math, not Singer alternative math.

It's very easy to ascertain that you have absolutely no training in simple mathematics or statistics. And not only that---you're probably also too stupid to realize how foolish you're looking to everyone here that you're dying to confirm your relevance to, namely, by reaffirming what a pathological liar you are as you come apart at the seams when confronted with a few simple truths about your gambling nonsense.

I kinda enjoy watching kew walking ever-so-lightly in his penny loafers, while he takes a page from the redietz method of duck & deflect, whenever anyone requests proof-of-assertions.

[Bill Yung]

KJ, I have a degree or two in math, and then some. But you guys are like "hear no truth, see no truth, and speak no truth." Tip-toe guys like Tableplay with their Mickey Mouse math charts come and go, all the time. Understanding is the other side of the coin.

[RS__]

I love when people lie about “being educated” or “having a degree”. Like dude, if you’re going to lie, at least make it believable.

[Bill Yung]

Like, dude, what's it worth to you to find out?

[MisterV]

Seriously, KJ, if you fail to post proof or a link to same as to your scurrilous accusations against your nemesis you will be deemed a prevaricator and a creator of false tales.

I did a quick google and found no proof as to what you said, at least not on the free sites (I refuse to pay for it).

I did find proof though about his bankruptcy tale: oh yeah, I'll post a link ...

https://bota.az.gov/sites/default/fi...01806-99-I.pdf