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[kewlJ]

It would be expected that someone who merely reads about blackjack but doesn't play much of it would have such bland descriptions with, as almost always, not a single description of an actual hand played.

It cracks me up how the trolls all play follow the leader picking up on Mdawgs trolling. Take the above. First Dawg is quoting himself. Who does that rather than just say what they have to say.

But more importantly, this idea that my descriptions of blackjack card counting are bland. Blackjack in general is about the most mundane form of gambling in a casino. Maybe second to roulette if you are betting Red/Black. And card counting doesn't change that. All card counting does is change the amounts you have bet (more in advantageous situation). STILL VERY mundane. If you are looking for excitement, you have come to the wrong place. And if you are making up a fantasy story as Mdawg is, you are writing about the wrong game.

About the most exciting thing that happens to a card counter is a hand resulting in 3-4 splits that turns into several double downs, where you have your MAX bet times maybe 5 or 6 on the felt as you watch the dealer pull 5 small cards, in a high count (more high cards remain) to draw a 20 or 21. THAT is it. That is about the most excitement you can have. But you know what, when you have played millions of rounds as I have, even that is routine. I mean if you feel you need to vent about something like that, you can do so on a forum (zenking), but all it does is identify you if any casino personnel that were involved happens to be reading.

Other than that, the only unusual occurrences involved with card counting are long runs of bad variance. Weeks and months. And I have written about them. I have had and written about 5 different really long downswings consisting of 4 month or more and 10's of thousands of dollars, while playing almost everyday. And the final unusual thing about card counting is the backoffs of which I have had more than 70. Again, you can vent and write about them, and I have but in the end you are doing yourself no favor. If anyone involved happens to be reading you are confirming and identifying yourself.

So again, if you are looking to read some exciting gambling stories, you aren't going to find it with card counting. Every single hand that plays out.....seen that, done that a thousand times. It is only someone making up some great adventure, like our Dawg that has these fantastical stories about spreading 1-100, or sitting playing double deck for 10 straight hours winning 60K. Things that just aren't real because.....dare I say it...that isn't the way Las vegas or the casino industry works.

[smurgerburger]

How many hundreds of thousands of words have you written trying to convince people your occupation is what you claim it is?

[MDawg]

The truth is … UNKewlJ hasn’t spent 20 years playing blackjack. He’s spent 20 years trying to convince people that he’s been playing blackjack.

And now going on a year trying desperately to establish that he's ever placed a sports bet in his tunnel dwelling life.

Professional Gamblers / Casino APs who actually make their living from beating casinos don’t spend all their time trying to convince everyone they are legit. It’s the exact opposite. They don’t want anyone to know because it threatens their ability to earn.

The fact you have spent thousands of hours and years of your life trying to convince everyone with a computer you play blackjack for a living proves you don’t do shit.

100 percent you sell ass and mouth for cash. You play some on the side but your sugar daddies pay the bills. Fact

[Rob.Singer]

If anything about the Mdawg adventure was real, he would be able to answer questions and concerns in a reasonable manner, without all the trolling. I have always answered questions and concerns. Mdawg can't so all he does is troll. And it isn't even good trolling. It is low rate, 3rd class trolling.

THAT is the adventure of Mdawg...a 3rd rate internet troll.

Thats as idiotic a response from you as anything you've ever fabricated.

If anything about YOUR concocted internet life were real, you'd have never so blatantly lied about things you've made up just to appear you're something you're not, and you'd have never kept up the charade that "I can't answer questions and concerns honestly because I'm PROTECTING MYSELF"!!

You make spotting phonies and liars easy....you just dont like it, and you DESPISE that 9 out of every 10 posters on forums are already CONVINCED that you're the biggest serial liar who's ever come down the internet forum pike.

Quite the legacy to discuss with that foolish made-up baby bro.

[MDawg]

I think kewlJ doesn't understand why so many people here dislike him.

It's not just that he lies. We've had lots of liars on this forum.

It's the seriousness with which kewlJ tells these lies, and then lashes out at those who doubt them. There's a certain arrogance to those posts, in the tone, "Of course this is fucking true, and you're a complete idiot for even doubting this.”

Then, when the forum userbase turns out to be smarter than he expected and disproves some of them, we get the mea culpa that he wasn't telling the truth all along. Fessing up only gets you credit if you do it before people take apart the lie and prove otherwise. You get even less credit if you were arrogant/combative/condescending during the questioning of the story's veracity.

In fact, even this story doesn't make sense. He's insisting the backrooming really happened, but just the lawsuit part of it was fake. He said he told that lie in order to protect his privacy. Huh?? How does adding a fake postscript to the story protect your privacy?

It still sounds like he's trying to save face. He's now only admitting to the part which was proven to be false -- and sticking to the part of the story which it took some time to disprove (but it was disproven).

Let's say I told a story about being in Denver, meeting an arrogant guy who claimed he was a great poker player, and then we went to go play heads up, and I won a million dollars from him. Then I took a redeye flight back to LA, leaving at 2am and arriving at 4am. Let's say someone looked up the flight schedule that day from Denver, and noticed that no such flight existed in the middle of the night. Upon that being posted, I first argue that they're wrong, and then finally concede, "Okay, I didn't really fly back from Denver that same night. I just told that part of the story to protect the privacy of the person I played."

That wouldn't make any sense, right? The flight would be totally independent of everything else that happened before. Same thing with the lawsuit. It's not like us believing the lawsuit existed would somehow prevent us from uncovering where this all happened.

[AxelWolf]

Redietz.

There's too much BS in this thread to read.

I made you an offer. Please �� respond with a simple yes, let's negotiate... or NO, I'm good.
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[accountinquestion]

I had a few questions too I'm hoping to hear redietz chime in on.

[redietz]

Redietz.

There's too much BS in this thread to read.

I made you an offer. Please �� respond with a simple yes, let's negotiate... or NO, I'm good.
.

LOL. Ditto. It's football season, buddy. I haven't read two-thirds of this. I have zero idea what you said. I need this Miami/Buff game to go Over 40 or it'll be a bad evening. Plus I tried to middle Rice/Charlotte.

So instead of me reading this nonsense, just email me: integritysports@aol.com. Let me know what the offer is and all that. I'll be jammed until Monday, but I will respond.

[kewlJ]

Redietz.

There's too much BS in this thread to read.

I made you an offer. Please �� respond with a simple yes, let's negotiate... or NO, I'm good.
.

LOL. Ditto. It's football season, buddy. I haven't read two-thirds of this. I have zero idea what you said. I need this Miami/Buff game to go Over 40 or it'll be a bad evening. Plus I tried to middle Rice/Charlotte.

So instead of me reading this nonsense, just email me: integritysports@aol.com. Let me know what the offer is and all that. I'll be jammed until Monday, but I will respond.

More past posting by the Dietz. He mentions that he needs this game over 40 when? Midway through the 3rd quarter of a 21-14 game (35) points when it is almost sure to go over. Do you really think you are fooling anyone Deitz?

[MDawg]

Let's stick to bashing UNKewlJ , who EARNS the contumely he receives due to his constant compulsive lying and wasting the forum's time with wild fables that he sends people down rabbit holes to chase.

Had MaxPen not done his searching, we would probably still be reading long essays about the lawsuits, and how we are all fools to be doubting it.

[redietz]

Redietz.

There's too much BS in this thread to read.

I made you an offer. Please �� respond with a simple yes, let's negotiate... or NO, I'm good.
.

LOL. Ditto. It's football season, buddy. I haven't read two-thirds of this. I have zero idea what you said. I need this Miami/Buff game to go Over 40 or it'll be a bad evening. Plus I tried to middle Rice/Charlotte.

So instead of me reading this nonsense, just email me: integritysports@aol.com. Let me know what the offer is and all that. I'll be jammed until Monday, but I will respond.

More past posting by the Dietz. He mentions that he needs this game over 40 when? Midway through the 3rd quarter of a 21-14 game (35) points when it is almost sure to go over. Do you really think you are fooling anyone Deitz?

Yeah, I'm gonna lie to the KewlJ. That's the ticket.

The total of the game was 50. So obviously I'm not reporting I'm a genius for needing Over 40. I'm tipping you off that I wagered something unusual that could possibly lose.

That, you see, would be the opposite of past posting. It's reporting that I did something potentially very stupid.

I was being self-deprecating. But the KewlJ is too busy propping up his forum existence with tales of his expertise and sophistication to grasp the obvious.

KewlJ knows as much about sports betting as I do about his ass (that's an "inside" joke -- get it?).

Oh, and here's some fine past posting for you. I have a 125-1 longshot to win the national title whose 3-0 record is where the rubber meets the road this week. I feel fine "past posting" it because I already reported this to others weeks ago. Don't get too excited for me, though. This week's assignment is well nigh historically impossible (you know, trends-wise). But we'll see what happens.

P.S. Here's some more past posting for you. You have a YouWager account, right, kewlj? So you can look this up or I can provide a screenshot. They give 10K to anyone getting the Thursday night score on the button. So there have been three Thursday night games played. My prediction for Week One was 27-20. The game was 24-20. Week Two I picked 27-17; the final was 27-18. Week Three I picked 31-24. The final was 31-21. You can't make this stuff up.

[accountinquestion]

Isn't there a general consensus that tends to drive the money? A shared set of views outside those of the fans of either team (or pro bettors)? And would this sentiment which translates into wagered money have value in being labeled for discussions? Ie "the public"

Also if a trend wins for many years then redietz claims it will be corrected in the lines but what if the same mistakes are made by "the public" every year and the weakness in the lines helps the books in general? It does not follow that the trend would be corrected. It simply does not make sense to the books. Given how sharps are always being limtied/cut-off, it helps ensure that the vast majority of action is with the public. If the trends being discussed consistently help the books and hurt "the public" then why would they change it???

Let's be clear - since there seems to be more confusion. It isn't the games that have trends it is that the lines have trends. At least that seems to make more sense to me.

Redietz you forgot to respond to my post and your thoughts. I editted my post slightly so it makes more sense.

See above.

I understand it is football season so this was probably overlooked. I'm not as important as Kewl.

[Half Smoke]

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Kim Lee made some negative comments about Mike's tracking of away underdogs showing them with a 2.57% r.o.i. ats in over 2,000 games

so, I decided to track the 2 previous seasons (regular season only) using covers.com

in both seasons the away underdogs lost out to the home favorites going 70-76 in '24/'25 and 73-84 in '23/'24

it's not a great number of games but for me it's enough

based on this I know longer think the away underdogs throughout the entire season are a good bet

I think Kim Lee was right

he knew some things about the tracking that Mike used that I did not know

below are his comments in the post I am referring to:

GMAFB, posted about 30 years of data from Mike Shackleford. Actually Mike sold Wizardofodds to LCB Network. The site now throws up random statistics to generate traffic while selling ads for sportsbooks. The data come from some obscure Austrialian sports betting site. Those data list over 5,000 games over less than 20 years, while the tabulation posted includes only 3,000 games. The ROI of 2.57% is not accurate at -110. The spreadsheet lists open, close, maximum and minimum pointspreads and odds. Which ones were used? There was home-dog, away-dog, home-favorite, away favorite, home-pick, and away-pick in addition to Over and Under. Only 1 of these 8 angles was positive, but not statistically significant. I would happily bet against this angle out of sample, as do CRIS and Pinnacle.

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[mickeycrimm]

It would be expected that someone who merely reads about blackjack but doesn't play much of it would have such bland descriptions with, as almost always, not a single description of an actual hand played.

It cracks me up how the trolls all play follow the leader picking up on Mdawgs trolling. Take the above. First Dawg is quoting himself. Who does that rather than just say what they have to say.

But more importantly, this idea that my descriptions of blackjack card counting are bland. Blackjack in general is about the most mundane form of gambling in a casino. Maybe second to roulette if you are betting Red/Black. And card counting doesn't change that. All card counting does is change the amounts you have bet (more in advantageous situation). STILL VERY mundane. If you are looking for excitement, you have come to the wrong place. And if you are making up a fantasy story as Mdawg is, you are writing about the wrong game.

About the most exciting thing that happens to a card counter is a hand resulting in 3-4 splits that turns into several double downs, where you have your MAX bet times maybe 5 or 6 on the felt as you watch the dealer pull 5 small cards, in a high count (more high cards remain) to draw a 20 or 21. THAT is it. That is about the most excitement you can have. But you know what, when you have played millions of rounds as I have, even that is routine. I mean if you feel you need to vent about something like that, you can do so on a forum (zenking), but all it does is identify you if any casino personnel that were involved happens to be reading.

Other than that, the only unusual occurrences involved with card counting are long runs of bad variance. Weeks and months. And I have written about them. I have had and written about 5 different really long downswings consisting of 4 month or more and 10's of thousands of dollars, while playing almost everyday. And the final unusual thing about card counting is the backoffs of which I have had more than 70. Again, you can vent and write about them, and I have but in the end you are doing yourself no favor. If anyone involved happens to be reading you are confirming and identifying yourself.

So again, if you are looking to read some exciting gambling stories, you aren't going to find it with card counting. Every single hand that plays out.....seen that, done that a thousand times. It is only someone making up some great adventure, like our Dawg that has these fantastical stories about spreading 1-100, or sitting playing double deck for 10 straight hours winning 60K. Things that just aren't real because.....dare I say it...that isn't the way Las vegas or the casino industry works.

In any form of gambling, if it is exciting, you are doing it wrong. The only thing that makes gambling exciting is the risk of going broke. Which means....that you are doing it wrong.

[mickeycrimm]

LOL. Ditto. It's football season, buddy. I haven't read two-thirds of this. I have zero idea what you said. I need this Miami/Buff game to go Over 40 or it'll be a bad evening. Plus I tried to middle Rice/Charlotte.

So instead of me reading this nonsense, just email me: integritysports@aol.com. Let me know what the offer is and all that. I'll be jammed until Monday, but I will respond.

More past posting by the Dietz. He mentions that he needs this game over 40 when? Midway through the 3rd quarter of a 21-14 game (35) points when it is almost sure to go over. Do you really think you are fooling anyone Deitz?

Yeah, I'm gonna lie to the KewlJ. That's the ticket.

The total of the game was 50. So obviously I'm not reporting I'm a genius for needing Over 40. I'm tipping you off that I wagered something unusual that could possibly lose.

That, you see, would be the opposite of past posting. It's reporting that I did something potentially very stupid.

I was being self-deprecating. But the KewlJ is too busy propping up his forum existence with tales of his expertise and sophistication to grasp the obvious.

KewlJ knows as much about sports betting as I do about his ass (that's an "inside" joke -- get it?).

Oh, and here's some fine past posting for you. I have a 125-1 longshot to win the national title whose 3-0 record is where the rubber meets the road this week. I feel fine "past posting" it because I already reported this to others weeks ago. Don't get too excited for me, though. This week's assignment is well nigh historically impossible (you know, trends-wise). But we'll see what happens.

P.S. Here's some more past posting for you. You have a YouWager account, right, kewlj? So you can look this up or I can provide a screenshot. They give 10K to anyone getting the Thursday night score on the button. So there have been three Thursday night games played. My prediction for Week One was 27-20. The game was 24-20. Week Two I picked 27-17; the final was 27-18. Week Three I picked 31-24. The final was 31-21. You can't make this stuff up.

Why are you posting You said you didn't have any time.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz.

There's too much BS in this thread to read.

I made you an offer. Please �� respond with a simple yes, let's negotiate... or NO, I'm good.
.

LOL. Ditto. It's football season, buddy. I haven't read two-thirds of this. I have zero idea what you said. I need this Miami/Buff game to go Over 40 or it'll be a bad evening. Plus I tried to middle Rice/Charlotte.

So instead of me reading this nonsense, just email me: integritysports@aol.com. Let me know what the offer is and all that. I'll be jammed until Monday, but I will respond.

Axel, he reads every word.

[mickeycrimm]

LOL. Ditto. It's football season, buddy. I haven't read two-thirds of this. I have zero idea what you said. I need this Miami/Buff game to go Over 40 or it'll be a bad evening. Plus I tried to middle Rice/Charlotte.

So instead of me reading this nonsense, just email me: integritysports@aol.com. Let me know what the offer is and all that. I'll be jammed until Monday, but I will respond.

More past posting by the Dietz. He mentions that he needs this game over 40 when? Midway through the 3rd quarter of a 21-14 game (35) points when it is almost sure to go over. Do you really think you are fooling anyone Deitz?

Yeah, I'm gonna lie to the KewlJ. That's the ticket.

The total of the game was 50. So obviously I'm not reporting I'm a genius for needing Over 40. I'm tipping you off that I wagered something unusual that could possibly lose.

That, you see, would be the opposite of past posting. It's reporting that I did something potentially very stupid.

I was being self-deprecating. But the KewlJ is too busy propping up his forum existence with tales of his expertise and sophistication to grasp the obvious.

KewlJ knows as much about sports betting as I do about his ass (that's an "inside" joke -- get it?).

Oh, and here's some fine past posting for you. I have a 125-1 longshot to win the national title whose 3-0 record is where the rubber meets the road this week. I feel fine "past posting" it because I already reported this to others weeks ago. Don't get too excited for me, though. This week's assignment is well nigh historically impossible (you know, trends-wise). But we'll see what happens.

P.S. Here's some more past posting for you. You have a YouWager account, right, kewlj? So you can look this up or I can provide a screenshot. They give 10K to anyone getting the Thursday night score on the button. So there have been three Thursday night games played. My prediction for Week One was 27-20. The game was 24-20. Week Two I picked 27-17; the final was 27-18. Week Three I picked 31-24. The final was 31-21. You can't make this stuff up.

Perfect record. You lost on all three.

[redietz]

More past posting by the Dietz. He mentions that he needs this game over 40 when? Midway through the 3rd quarter of a 21-14 game (35) points when it is almost sure to go over. Do you really think you are fooling anyone Deitz?

Yeah, I'm gonna lie to the KewlJ. That's the ticket.

The total of the game was 50. So obviously I'm not reporting I'm a genius for needing Over 40. I'm tipping you off that I wagered something unusual that could possibly lose.

That, you see, would be the opposite of past posting. It's reporting that I did something potentially very stupid.

I was being self-deprecating. But the KewlJ is too busy propping up his forum existence with tales of his expertise and sophistication to grasp the obvious.

KewlJ knows as much about sports betting as I do about his ass (that's an "inside" joke -- get it?).

Oh, and here's some fine past posting for you. I have a 125-1 longshot to win the national title whose 3-0 record is where the rubber meets the road this week. I feel fine "past posting" it because I already reported this to others weeks ago. Don't get too excited for me, though. This week's assignment is well nigh historically impossible (you know, trends-wise). But we'll see what happens.

P.S. Here's some more past posting for you. You have a YouWager account, right, kewlj? So you can look this up or I can provide a screenshot. They give 10K to anyone getting the Thursday night score on the button. So there have been three Thursday night games played. My prediction for Week One was 27-20. The game was 24-20. Week Two I picked 27-17; the final was 27-18. Week Three I picked 31-24. The final was 31-21. You can't make this stuff up.

Perfect record. You lost on all three.

LOL. You know, in 50 years of doing this, how often I've seen someone pick three designated games and be off from the final score by seven points total or less on the three games combined?

Never.

[AxelWolf]

No one but suckers care about short term results,.wins or losses, especially one off long shots.

I posted screenshots of 11 wins in a row .on NFL sides VS the spread. Who cares, + EV or not I got lucky. 11 in a row means shit. It only matters to people who need investors ans tout themselves. I get it, a tout/investment seeker would be all pussy wet with 11 out of 11 in NFL sides.

Red Touting a 12k lucky as fuck win? LOL that's meaningless because we don't know what the Actual EV was.

[kewlJ]

You know, in 50 years of doing this,

Wait. How old are you? 68?